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Would I still be able to fit Costco paper towels, pickles, and rotisserie chicken in the back every so often? My rear seat is already deleted, but this is my cargo hauling track car
W204 C63 Coupe, W166 ML350 BlueTEC, 928GT, C5 Z06 & IS300 race cars, EQE 4Matic+ on order
Originally Posted by Clark Kent
Would I still be able to fit Costco paper towels, pickles, and rotisserie chicken in the back every so often? My rear seat is already deleted, but this is my cargo hauling track car
You'll be able to fit everything except cereal (unless it is camouflaged or hidden in a paper bag)... exposed cereal has no place being transported in a track car even when it is a cargo hauling one.
And, joking aside, you should look into another book from the Speed Secrets family. I was fortunate enough to have had some coaching by Ronn Langford, who has extensively worked with Ross Bentley and has coached a number of pro drivers that have gone on to win many championships. It is not about driving technique -- it is about how the human brain works and how a few simple exercises can maximize your on-track driving performance. The title is Inner Speed Secrets: Mental Strategies to Maximize Your Racing Performance, co-authored by Ronn Langford and Ross Bentley. Check it out if you get a chance.
The title is Inner Speed Secrets: Mental Strategies to Maximize Your Racing Performance, co-authored by Ronn Langford and Ross Bentley. Check it out if you get a chance.
Thanks for the pro tip! I will definitely get the book.
So Studio RSR finally got back to my emails, as they had recently returned from SEMA:
1. What are the weights for the DOM cage, and for the 4130 Chromoly cage?
The DOM cage is about 70lbs, and the 4130 chromoly cage is about 50lbs
2. Do you have more photos of the points of attachment to the car body? We do not currently, but the photos that Paul provided in his last email are the best we have on file. As we're one of the few, if not only, companies manufacturing a C63 cage, I try not to share pictures of where exactly we mount to. I hope you understand. Rest assured, we dedicated a lot of time in Research & Development using our experience to make sure the cage is mounted at fully functional points while still retaining ease-of-install.
3. Any drilling into body necessary, or does it utilize factory holes?
The front main hoop does require drilling into the rear seat bench/frame cross member. We provide specialized hardware to make the installation much easier.
4. Any photos of your C63 Rear Seat Delete, offered in Carbon Fiber or Aluminum panels with suede fabric overlay? I'm currently debating whether to offer the delete in Carbon Fiber, but since we've had about 3 requests in the last month, I may go ahead and do so. For now, we only have it in suede as seen in the pictures in Paul's email.
5. What are the weights of the CF rear seat panels, vs the Alu panels? The aluminum panels only weight about 10lbs in total for all 4 pieces.
6. If have a 60/40% split rear seat back and bench, do you have the option to panel just that 60% rear? We do not unfortunately.
W204 C63 Coupe, W166 ML350 BlueTEC, 928GT, C5 Z06 & IS300 race cars, EQE 4Matic+ on order
Just a word of caution guys. As nice as that roll bar looks, the portion where the main hoop connects to the rear cross members is connected by two Allen key bolts. Furthermore, without reinforcement of the vehicle floor (both top and underbody), in case of a rollover the main hoop would simply punch through the floor. If you're actually concerned about safety in case of a rollover, you'd need to make sure the main hoop and rear cross members are properly welded (which can only happen once the whole thing is inside the car), and more importantly, you'd need proper reinforcement plates (90 degree plates that have to be welded to both the B-pillar and the floor) or your car will end up looking like the one below.
So Studio RSR finally got back to my emails, as they had recently returned from SEMA:
1. What are the weights for the DOM cage, and for the 4130 Chromoly cage?
The DOM cage is about 70lbs, and the 4130 chromoly cage is about 50lbs
2. Do you have more photos of the points of attachment to the car body? We do not currently, but the photos that Paul provided in his last email are the best we have on file. As we're one of the few, if not only, companies manufacturing a C63 cage, I try not to share pictures of where exactly we mount to. I hope you understand. Rest assured, we dedicated a lot of time in Research & Development using our experience to make sure the cage is mounted at fully functional points while still retaining ease-of-install.
3. Any drilling into body necessary, or does it utilize factory holes?
The front main hoop does require drilling into the rear seat bench/frame cross member. We provide specialized hardware to make the installation much easier.
4. Any photos of your C63 Rear Seat Delete, offered in Carbon Fiber or Aluminum panels with suede fabric overlay? I'm currently debating whether to offer the delete in Carbon Fiber, but since we've had about 3 requests in the last month, I may go ahead and do so. For now, we only have it in suede as seen in the pictures in Paul's email.
5. What are the weights of the CF rear seat panels, vs the Alu panels? The aluminum panels only weight about 10lbs in total for all 4 pieces.
6. If have a 60/40% split rear seat back and bench, do you have the option to panel just that 60% rear? We do not unfortunately.
W204 C63 Coupe, W166 ML350 BlueTEC, 928GT, C5 Z06 & IS300 race cars, EQE 4Matic+ on order
Yup... I have no idea how they made it. I seem to recall a discussion that the fact that it was a Mustang with a very high "waistline" and that they didn't have harnesses (just regular three-point seat belts) which allowed them to "submarine" under the belts was likely the difference between life and death. As for the track with the loose tire barriers, it might be suitable for rental go-karts but not much else.
I just seen you mentioned you can do a pano roof delete... what about a sedan sunroof delete? Are you using factory roof without sunroof or are you manufacturing a replacement ?
W204 C63 Coupe, W166 ML350 BlueTEC, 928GT, C5 Z06 & IS300 race cars, EQE 4Matic+ on order
Thanks Jim. Curious how this thing is going to turn out. Keep us in the loop please.
deadlyvt - the non-panoramic sunroof doesn't weigh nearly as much as the pano so I can't see a huge advantage in getting rid of it on a DD. The all-glass pano on the other hand adds about 250 lbs at the highest point on the car and considerably raises the car's CG in addition to sacrificing chassis stiffness.
I know dads shaved ~ 60 lbs altogether with the carbon fibre roof/ sunroof delete if I end up going for a bunch of weight reduction I would be interested in that as even that is a decent amount of weight
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
I talked to them about doing an aluminum roof. Got a solid “we’ll get back to you”.
Weight savings are in the order of 180lbs for the full pano coupe roof with associated motors, glass etc.
I know Vladds posted up the MB part number on one of MBNRG’s threads. There were certain Euro and Japan base C-class coupes that came with a solid roof. Just need to track one down now. Does anyone have access to an MB inventory search tool for Europe? There have got to be stacks of them in a warehouse somewhere in Germany to make OE repairs to cars of the volume that the W204 C-class was produced in....
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
Quick question, probably best for someone who knows more about cage construction than I do (cough, Doug, cough) .
I asked the Studio RSR guys about what kind of chromoly tubing they use for the rollbar/cage construction. My understanding is that typically DOM tubing is .120 thickness and 1 3/4” diameter, while chromoly is typically a lighter .083 and 1 5/8” due to it being stronger. Chromoly is also TIG welded vs MIG welding for DOM.
Studio RSR has told me that they use .095 and 1 3/4 inch tubing, and the bar is TIG welded in the structural points. That doesn’t exactly jive with what little I know about proper chromoly cage construction.
I’m a little confused by this. Does anyone know if it sounds right? While these guys sound like they know what they’re doing, I feel like I need to go over there and actually talk to the fabricator directly to get some additional comfort here that I’m getting what I’m paying for....
10-23-2018, 04:28 PM
