no im implying what I implied lol. I’m saying Jerry went on your route and advanced the timing. From his v5 to v7. Your tune since day one has been more aggressive then his. It’s nothing against your tune, it’s just that a lot of these owners don’t datalog and then when the afr’s aren’t up to the standard of the tune, the issue becomes a big deal. Whole point of my arguement was more m156 guys should be monitoring afr’s. It’s like a dying art of this platform.

im noticing a trend. Anyway. The op car did not blow up because of timing buddy. He had a stuck open injector that hydrolocked it. Look it up. Issue with earlier versions of the injectors. Could he have seen it with an afr gauge reading rich. Yeah maybe. Bad primary o2s do the same thing causing rich condition as well as if you have an ignition issue that causes a rich condition as well. It would not have told him hey stuck injector. It would have told him an issue was occurring but I’m sure he knew that without the gauge.

Omg if you knew anything about these cars you would know when the injector goes stuck open it miss fires. You don’t need a gauge to tell you there is a problem when the car is misfiring. Is a gauge helpfull sure. To tell you it’s rich. Wow thanks I can see there is an issue from it misfiring. It does not tell you the root problem. If your car is misfiring you don’t need a gauge to tell you not to drive it. Not rocket science buddy. Running the gauge certainly is a good idea but really only matters when the car runs lean. Heavy Rich conditions on this car from injectors, o2 sensors, faulty ignition ect ect cause misfires. I spoke up because you are trying to say the op’s motor failure was somehow due to timing advance. Not the case. Why oe tunning stepped in as well.

no ur wrong... oe stepped in Bc he thought I was referring to Jerry as working for oe but he miss read what I wrote. I said Jerry is basically advancing more timing like oe did but on his v7 map. It wasn’t to call out anyone it’s just jeremey tune was always known to be more aggressive then others.

Your also wrong about my claims.... I started off with the injector being a possiability and explained how having a afr guage was a good idea. Then later on I went on about tunes not having adequate fueling. If a tuner aims the tune for 12.4 and ur running rich 9.5 then we got a big problem. Or other side of things if he targets 12.4 and u run 13.9.

I never put down any claims, I just added to the necessity of having a guage.

Your also wrong about the ecu catching a rich conditon. My car was running 9.5 afr up top and I never got a cel..when I had a issue with pumps got a 13.9 never got a cel. things don’t work out like you make it seem. It won’t always misfire if u have a rich condition. Also he could’ve had a rich conditon for a long time and then finally the motor gave out. Problem is not datalogging, so anything the owner says is gonna be guesses. If he datalogged he would’ve been able to say it’s been running this rich for this long because I have logs to prove it. If the car misfired Bc of a rich conditon it would’ve been there as a safety for the motor, look where his motor is now ........ moral of the story is, afr guage would’ve saw it. Also there’s a reason why we have fail safes’s from aem

Somehow your an expert on these cars yet you didn’t know that a facelift c63 was not a w205. Yeah ok buddy. Just search on here please fuel injector stuck open failure ect ect. It’s not something that happens over time. It happens now and the injector stops pulsing and stays full open. The car does drive like crap at this point. This guy blew his motor because most likely he drove on it too long like this and bent a rod due to it hydrolocking. End of story.

Somehow your an expert on these cars yet you didn’t know that a facelift c63 was not a w205. Yeah ok buddy. Just search on here please fuel injector stuck open failure ect ect. It’s not something that happens over time. It happens now and the injector stops pulsing and stays full open. The car does drive like crap at this point. This guy blew his motor because most likely he drove on it too long like this and bent a rod due to it hydrolocking. End of story.

well again I’m coming from w211 and all my friends have 204 prelift so I confused them but , afr guage would’ve saved his motor, but ur in your own world where you get stuck on these ideas like they will alter my facts. The fact is he blew his motor Bc of a injector alongside being tuned(stock can blow too Bc of this), alongside not datalogging. You need to monitor afr’s for both rich conditions and lean, so stop acting like we only use them for lean outs. You made comments about the ecu noticing a rich condition in a cylinder bank in which it would trigger a misfire.... why u making owners think that they can rely on that.. ppl like u are why motors blow, u trust the system too much meanwhile it lets people down. The fact is if you depend on your primary 02’s to save ur motor, your playing with Fire. Afr guage alongside a failsafe is the proper way, and for this owner my advice is simple. You blew your motor up already, run a afr setup on both banks, with a fail safe setup on your new one.

are you dumb? If a cylinder in a motor gets dumped with fuel it will missfire. It’s not the ecu doing it. It’s the fact there is too much fuel. The fact he is tuned has nothing to do with it. It’s a manufacturer defect of the injector itself. I’m not saying not to datalog your car or monitor. I’m saying in this case none of that would have helped him other then pulling over and towing it. He couldn’t have foreseen it with datalogs is my point. It just happens now.

are you dumb? If a cylinder in a motor gets dumped with fuel it will missfire. It’s not the ecu doing it. It’s the fact there is too much fuel. The fact he is tuned has nothing to do with it. It’s a manufacturer defect of the injector itself. I’m not saying not to datalog your car or monitor. I’m saying in this case none of that would have helped him other then pulling over and towing it. He couldn’t have foreseen it with datalogs is my point. It just happens now.