New Billet camshaft for 156/159 video by Tasos
09-26-2019, 10:21 AM
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Anxiously awaiting to hear how they sound at idle.
09-26-2019, 10:43 AM
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09-26-2019, 12:19 PM
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Idle sounds good just a tiny bit more lope to it but sounds pretty stock - I just want a price.
09-26-2019, 12:23 PM
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09-27-2019, 09:07 PM
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I was definitely hoping for a choppier idle something along the lines of the race IQ cams for the e55. there are ways to get it more aggressive with just tuning less timing lower idle etc I guess if they make more power that's all that matters really.
09-27-2019, 10:50 PM
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You don’t hear the lope because it’s on stock exhaust. Who cares anyway, do they make power or not.
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09-28-2019, 11:30 AM
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This will make the car run like garbage at idle and not good overall. It’s likw flame tune and dumb burbles.
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09-28-2019, 11:51 AM
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I guess that from where you're standing, you'll have trouble gaining more power whichever option you go for, right?
09-28-2019, 12:16 PM
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Since i will need cams in the near future, would like certainly to see how these end up. I can go with the VRP hardened option to hopefully improve longevity for $2500 a set, so that is the baseline in my book for pricing on these, they are billet, so should wear better and if they do wear should wear more evenly with less defects like cast that start to chew up lifters, so longevity is a benefit but probably not worth much over the VRP set that should also help with that. So that leaves adding HP to be work more money, 20 or 30 hp might make them worth 3500 or 4k to me, more than that probably not worth spending the money - if they are 8k or something crazy then it makes no sense to me anyway.
Best case scenario, they are 4k or less, make 20 or 30hp and will last the life of the engine.
Best case scenario, they are 4k or less, make 20 or 30hp and will last the life of the engine.
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09-28-2019, 12:56 PM
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They will last, like others have posted you’ll want to upgrade your lifters at the same time. Hard to speculate the power without knowing how much lift and duration they went with but the stock cams are super tame so there is room to make power there. As he said in the vid and what others have found the tuning is a bit of a challenge changing cams for whatever reason in these
09-28-2019, 01:25 PM
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Why no roller lifter options? Is there just not enough space in the lifter design to fit rollers or is there no ability to keep them aligned? This would vastly improve the wear characteristics.
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09-28-2019, 01:59 PM
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Since i will need cams in the near future, would like certainly to see how these end up. I can go with the VRP hardened option to hopefully improve longevity for $2500 a set, so that is the baseline in my book for pricing on these, they are billet, so should wear better and if they do wear should wear more evenly with less defects like cast that start to chew up lifters, so longevity is a benefit but probably not worth much over the VRP set that should also help with that. So that leaves adding HP to be work more money, 20 or 30 hp might make them worth 3500 or 4k to me, more than that probably not worth spending the money - if they are 8k or something crazy then it makes no sense to me anyway.
Best case scenario, they are 4k or less, make 20 or 30hp and will last the life of the engine.
Best case scenario, they are 4k or less, make 20 or 30hp and will last the life of the engine.
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09-28-2019, 07:10 PM
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If these are a hit, would we expect someone like EC to test and develop tuning for them? Just curious as I’m pretty novice on the tuning front and don’t have and tuning experts in my area that I’m aware of.
09-28-2019, 09:15 PM
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Tuning is going to be an issue for most. Will require a lot of data logging using zeltronix and many tune revisions. For majority I don’t think it’s worth the hassle. There’s far easier ways to make power.
As for many people who are thinking these cams will save the m156 plague... when you shut you car off the oil still bleeds down... so on cold starts the it will still be metal on metal until the oil rises. Expect more valve bucket wear now since the material on the lobe will be harsher.
As for many people who are thinking these cams will save the m156 plague... when you shut you car off the oil still bleeds down... so on cold starts the it will still be metal on metal until the oil rises. Expect more valve bucket wear now since the material on the lobe will be harsher.
09-28-2019, 10:58 PM
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Tuning is going to be an issue for most. Will require a lot of data logging using zeltronix and many tune revisions. For majority I don’t think it’s worth the hassle. There’s far easier ways to make power.
As for many people who are thinking these cams will save the m156 plague... when you shut you car off the oil still bleeds down... so on cold starts the it will still be metal on metal until the oil rises. Expect more valve bucket wear now since the material on the lobe will be harsher.
As for many people who are thinking these cams will save the m156 plague... when you shut you car off the oil still bleeds down... so on cold starts the it will still be metal on metal until the oil rises. Expect more valve bucket wear now since the material on the lobe will be harsher.
09-29-2019, 10:41 AM
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Talked about using an accusump here for reference: https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...light=Accusump
Finding some space in the engine bay for it will probably be the most difficult part.
Nobody really knows how many cams were affected by the closed oiling holes that Tasos discovered some time back, and that surely has some effect on the % of cars seeing abnormal wear.
I think with these cams using the SLS BS lifters with their more durable coating is pretty much a necessity.
Finding some space in the engine bay for it will probably be the most difficult part.
Nobody really knows how many cams were affected by the closed oiling holes that Tasos discovered some time back, and that surely has some effect on the % of cars seeing abnormal wear.
I think with these cams using the SLS BS lifters with their more durable coating is pretty much a necessity.
09-29-2019, 05:51 PM
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Talked about using an accusump here for reference: https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...light=Accusump
Finding some space in the engine bay for it will probably be the most difficult part.
Nobody really knows how many cams were affected by the closed oiling holes that Tasos discovered some time back, and that surely has some effect on the % of cars seeing abnormal wear.
I think with these cams using the SLS BS lifters with their more durable coating is pretty much a necessity.
Finding some space in the engine bay for it will probably be the most difficult part.
Nobody really knows how many cams were affected by the closed oiling holes that Tasos discovered some time back, and that surely has some effect on the % of cars seeing abnormal wear.
I think with these cams using the SLS BS lifters with their more durable coating is pretty much a necessity.
The BS lifters will definitely need to be used with the billet design of the cams.
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09-30-2019, 10:52 AM
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I'm not sure what you consider running like garbage ? I think that would very slightly by person. my evo or supra's clutch or idle might not be acceptable to you but does not not bother me at all. I get what you are saying about the flame tune and burble crap tho but no harm in wanting a choppier idle as long as you can still get the quality of drivability you are after in my opinion and they still make power.
10-01-2019, 04:48 AM
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Assuming pricing isn't insane on these, I may jump in and could likely work with Jerry at EC ( I'm in Houston) to get a tune created for them.... this and a few other tweaks that look possible are having me reconsider the ESS charger....given the complex fueling issues of incorpating it along with my E85 setup....
I'd be happy with 550 rwhp NA if it was doable...
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I'd be happy with 550 rwhp NA if it was doable...
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