places

Sadly this has been nixed. It’s the lowly 4 pot with Dyson exhaust. E63 will get a six cylinder.

AzurSL

I think we kind of expected that unfortunately. Shame. And then they’ll wonder why M and RS models start massively outselling them…

Socal Sam

So the C63 is essentially an improved C300. Merc should call this model C20et AMG for 2.0L with electric turbo and sell base model for about $8-10k more than C300. Dump the hybrid system to save weight, it's great for performance number but how many people actually need more than 200 hp on the streets? 469hp from the 2.0L is more than enough.

ILoveNY

Yes they should call it C20 AMG

eatmydust

Yeah even the last c63 with v8 didn't deserve the c63 name. The w205 c63 should have been C40 amg.

superswiss

The numbers on cars haven't stood for displacement in years. A C300 doesn't have a 3 liter engine. They once stood for displacement, but things change. The C43 had a 4.3 liter V8 when it was first introduced. Those numbers are nothing more than a trademark and a legacy now.

taphil

Says it’s the worst car he’s driven this year. Stupid F1 tech, heavy, expensive, 4 cylinders, sounds bad, bad transmission shifting, clunky, laggy turbo…some of the 43 reasons not to buy it.

places

I saw this too. Very little good to say about the C43, barely beat the Audi. The M340 is pretty impressive for what it is with that B58 engine, fabulous six cylinder.

Frenetic

I agree with his statement about the transmission. My passengers also look bewildered when my car lunges and shifts roughly, lol. Man, the Mercedes 9-speed is the worst transmission I’ve ever driven.

Dima

He needs to have his software updated and put 20'' tires. But in reality, you can stop watching when he complains about he seatbelt and implies that MB is heavy and BMW is light, having 100lb difference in actual weight.
I would take 3 German magazines' and real racer's review over that guy's. I took it to a track and there was 0 jerkiness in transmission. Perhaps he was driving in a winter mode?

AzurSL

It’s a shame as the previous gen was his favorite. To him it was a mini C63 and the M340i a powerful 330i.

Agreed. 100 lbs is barely a pre-teen passenger. Reality is you’ll never feel that difference. Although I will say the fact that these cars are pushing 4000 lbs just goes to show how big and “heavy” they’ve gotten.

Venturep

I have that car and can see both sides of the argument. Tire noise with the 20s is very high and the transmission is sometimes jerky and unpredictable at low speeds. However, the car rocks when driven at speed and even in most circumstances. The drivetrain is just a kick to drive! I have owned M and RS from 4s to twin turbo V8s.

superswiss

Yeah the new C43 has the multi clutch transmission that till now was exclusive to the 63 models. It is not the smoothest thing to drive at low speeds and since this is the first time they are using it with something other than the V8 they may have to fine tune a few things, but having a clutch instead of the torque converter is a different level for spirited driving. I accept that my C63S isn't the smoothest in dull driving at low speeds, but that's not what I bought it for. It shines on the open road and when driven properly. Also, it's not like the previous torque converter transmission in the C43 was great. It had its issues as well. I think if you want a smooth commuter car you are probably better off getting a C300. On the other hand, despite electric turbo these things still have massive turbo lag, which was also criticized on the new C63

Dima

I agree, the car is mostly at home at the track and I'd encourage the owners to try it. The handling at high speeds on bends is sublime.

ILoveNY

It they don't sell and don't want to change the cylinder, then probably they need to change the position of Ola.

Dima

With regulations in many European countries, they cannot afford to have 6. For example in France, the 6 cylinder AMG would be 13k euros more than 4 due to taxes. In Germany and UK it's not as bad.

BenjaminKohl

Correct me if I'm wrong... you're describing a C43? Lol
Lexus tried out the "calling it like it is" strategy with the NX200t and IS200t in 2015-2017 and found that sales were slow. Now it turns out sales were slow because the cars were not very good, not so much because of the naming scheme, but still it likely aided in not stellar sales, as Lexus went back on it and began calling the 2.0T cars 300.

ILoveNY

I am sure they want to see a lot of Citroën in France

places

this is why BMW is still producing 6 and 8 cylinders in the 3 and 5 respectively. New M5 will have an 8 and word is future m3/4 will as well. Albeit with hybridization.

Dima

Ignorance is bliss. new 5 is all electric, with the exception of 1 variant that is 4cyl turbo with 255 hp. And future of M3 is unknown.

places

[QUOTE=Dima;8836470]Ignorance is bliss. new 5 is all electric, with the exception of 1 variant that is 4cyl turbo with 255 hp. And future of M3 is unknown.[/QUOTE

New gen 5 will offer a 530 with a four, 540 with a six, and the M5 with an eight. All hybrids of course. 540 will be delayed but rest assured will see production. Ignorance is bliss.

Dima

[QUOTE=places;8836496]Will or may, as of now there is i5 only which is 800lb havier and much slower than 540 from last year. The the M I5 is over 80k and heavy as hell. Also all have been decontended.
I've had most of 5 series until now, it's hardly a good example to follow nowadays.

benzclub

https://www.thedrive.com/news/its-ov...c63-e63-models
"It’s Over: Mercedes-AMG CEO Says V8 Won’t Return to C63, E63 Models"

Explain to me what is the meaning of journalism if the magazine does not ask the main question: - If the vector according to AMG is correct, then why such sales? That's what journalists are there for, asking interesting questions. Chris Rosales why didn't you ask this question? You had such an opportunity, everyone was waiting for this question. What is the point of these interviews then?

Doa

Sadly enough only the us market would still have decent sales for v8 and 6 cilinder models and if Mercedes sells too many big engines they need to pay a penalty to the eu... Very sad but not much we can do.
they should have kept the c63 for the 205 and went for a c35 and c45 in the 206.
The heavy hybrid they could at best call a c45 e performance

places

Yet they went with the four in the C43 to achieve what? 19/26 gas MPG? Even if those numbers are off by 10% it's laughable. BMW B58 six cylinder gets 23/31 MPG oil the 340i.