Video C63S v. M3 - faster on the drag strip, slower on the road course, 2nd overall
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Interesting review, love the way one guy says at the 4:35 mark - that was great but wait till you drive the C63 
It's obvious now from many comparisons the new C63 is faster than the new M3/4 in the straight (as has always been the case) this test shows both running slower ET's than usual or expected, must be the track conditions.
It's obvious now from many comparisons the new C63 is faster than the new M3/4 in the straight (as has always been the case) this test shows both running slower ET's than usual or expected, must be the track conditions.
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Interesting review, love the way one guy says at the 4:35 mark - that was great but wait till you drive the C63
It's obvious now from many comparisons the new C63 is faster than the new M3/4 in the straight (as has always been the case) this test shows both running slower ET's than usual or expected, must be the track conditions.
It's obvious now from many comparisons the new C63 is faster than the new M3/4 in the straight (as has always been the case) this test shows both running slower ET's than usual or expected, must be the track conditions.
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As I thought track location conditions
I suppose those low 12 high 11 passes we've seen and heard a lot of from the BMW crowd must be in much more optimum conditions.
It's good to know the new C63 is definitely faster in the straight than the new M3/4 and that MB/AMG continues to hold the lead in this regard
As for the twisty stuff lets see how close the new C63 coupe gets, might finally end it in this regard for the BMW's as they are now very very hard to separate, whereas there was always a reasonable gap with previous generations.
I suppose those low 12 high 11 passes we've seen and heard a lot of from the BMW crowd must be in much more optimum conditions.
It's good to know the new C63 is definitely faster in the straight than the new M3/4 and that MB/AMG continues to hold the lead in this regard
As for the twisty stuff lets see how close the new C63 coupe gets, might finally end it in this regard for the BMW's as they are now very very hard to separate, whereas there was always a reasonable gap with previous generations.
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As I thought track location conditions
I suppose those low 12 high 11 passes we've seen and heard a lot of from the BMW crowd must be in much more optimum conditions.
It's good to know the new C63 is definitely faster in the straight than the new M3/4 and that MB/AMG continues to hold the lead in this regard
As for the twisty stuff lets see how close the new C63 coupe gets, might finally end it in this regard for the BMW's as they are now very very hard to separate, whereas there was always a reasonable gap with previous generations.
I suppose those low 12 high 11 passes we've seen and heard a lot of from the BMW crowd must be in much more optimum conditions.
It's good to know the new C63 is definitely faster in the straight than the new M3/4 and that MB/AMG continues to hold the lead in this regard
As for the twisty stuff lets see how close the new C63 coupe gets, might finally end it in this regard for the BMW's as they are now very very hard to separate, whereas there was always a reasonable gap with previous generations.
I think 1/2 of a second on an 83 second lap is a pretty small margin. I suspect substituting 255/35-19 front and 275/35-19 rear tires, of say the Yokohama AD08r or Bridgestone RE-71 variety, would likely put the C63 ahead of the M on the road as well as at the drag strip.
In any case, I now look forward to the Motor Trend Head 2 Head. Maybe Road and Track will even do something one of these days.
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the c63s, will never really be as good of a track car imo, its limited in a few ways, especially tire sizing, this car should be 295 or 305 in the rear.. it has so much power, once you turn off traction you can really see why you would need the wider tires..
i think this car max.. is 285 and that might be pushing it.. not even sure if there is space for that, havent seen any proper photos yet of anyone doing it
then there is the weight, the slower transmission.
half a second is huge.. think about that if it was multiple laps.. you know how far behind the c63s would be?
As much as I would like the c63s to be a better track car then the m3, it isnt. But it's good at things that I care more about, and thats my daily drive and usable instant tq power for passing on the highway ect ect.
The cabin is also way better for day to day imo.
i think this car max.. is 285 and that might be pushing it.. not even sure if there is space for that, havent seen any proper photos yet of anyone doing it
then there is the weight, the slower transmission.
half a second is huge.. think about that if it was multiple laps.. you know how far behind the c63s would be?
As much as I would like the c63s to be a better track car then the m3, it isnt. But it's good at things that I care more about, and thats my daily drive and usable instant tq power for passing on the highway ect ect.
The cabin is also way better for day to day imo.
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Great review...! Nothing new from these guys as this is the story told during the W204 vs. E90 comparison. Quite frankly, I think it will always be the same because AMG and M divisions have their specific battles they are fighting (muscle versus precision) and I truly think there's room for both so they'll likely continue down the same path. Look at the M177...not many cars will touch it and by the time you're done tuning it, it will absolutely kill most muscle cars. On the other hand, the M is lighter and the stability mixed with the DCT and modest power make it an unbeatable track weapon. Both very nice cars....!
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Great review...! Nothing new from these guys as this is the story told during the W204 vs. E90 comparison. Quite frankly, I think it will always be the same because AMG and M divisions have their specific battles they are fighting (muscle versus precision) and I truly think there's room for both so they'll likely continue down the same path. Look at the M177...not many cars will touch it and by the time you're done tuning it, it will absolutely kill most muscle cars. On the other hand, the M is lighter and the stability mixed with the DCT and modest power make it an unbeatable track weapon. Both very nice cars....!
So perhaps not the best track weapon afterall hehe
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honda must have found it's mojo again after all these years in the wilderness with bleh cars.
can't wait for the NSX to come out.
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What a revelation this car is going to be I've been keeping a keen eye on this one over the years and it's finally materialized.
This car is going to be something, should leave everything else in its class and even some much higher up the food chain for dead and it's a damn good looking piece as well, pity it's going to be sooooo expensive in some Countries
Anyhow back on topic a lesser C205 C63S will have to do
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This was tested at the Killarney Race circuit in Cape Town - South Africa, which is at sea level so altitude wouldn't be a factor here, however the numbers do look equally off for both cars so I would say this would be down to the track itself, humidity, etc, I can only think. The end result still remains, C63S faster in the 1/4. At least they were both tested at the same time same conditions...
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Any track oriented vehicle meant on focusing on attacking the track should come to no surprise that it's faster than a non-track oriented car, regardless of price. lol yes the Civic Type R is way cheaper than the M3 but what does that say compared to the C63? It says even WAY cheaper and faster. Be careful throwing jabs at the M3 because you just suckered punched the C63 with that Civic comment...
EDIT: Also if you watched that video of the M3 vs Civic Type-R, you'll obviously notice that Steve Sutcliffe drifted around the last turn. Not a clean pass at all.
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the c63s, will never really be as good of a track car imo, its limited in a few ways, especially tire sizing, this car should be 295 or 305 in the rear.. it has so much power, once you turn off traction you can really see why you would need the wider tires..
i think this car max.. is 285 and that might be pushing it.. not even sure if there is space for that, havent seen any proper photos yet of anyone doing it
then there is the weight, the slower transmission.
half a second is huge.. think about that if it was multiple laps.. you know how far behind the c63s would be?
As much as I would like the c63s to be a better track car then the m3, it isnt. But it's good at things that I care more about, and thats my daily drive and usable instant tq power for passing on the highway ect ect.
The cabin is also way better for day to day imo.
i think this car max.. is 285 and that might be pushing it.. not even sure if there is space for that, havent seen any proper photos yet of anyone doing it
then there is the weight, the slower transmission.
half a second is huge.. think about that if it was multiple laps.. you know how far behind the c63s would be?
As much as I would like the c63s to be a better track car then the m3, it isnt. But it's good at things that I care more about, and thats my daily drive and usable instant tq power for passing on the highway ect ect.
The cabin is also way better for day to day imo.
For as much as the AMG C63 gets talked about not being a track weapon, it sure does let the results speak for itself regarding any other car in its class. A half a second is not "huge" in this context. Seven seconds is huge! And isn't that the gap between this current gen M3 and previous V8 version at the 'ring? Don't you think the AMG C63 beats the V8 M3 easily, which is regarded as a great track car?
I think it's easy to get sucked into thinking of what is and what isn't, with respect to cars, when it comes to journalists. They tend to all repeat the same clichés over and over again no matter what culture they are from.
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KILLED the M in the quarter mile!
And I've got to say synthesized engine sounds is sooo cheezy. It says I'm embarrased by the natural sound of my 3.0 liter..... so I'm going to "enhance" it with this soundtrack.
The best way to improve the sound of the M... is to drive next to a C63s
And I've got to say synthesized engine sounds is sooo cheezy. It says I'm embarrased by the natural sound of my 3.0 liter..... so I'm going to "enhance" it with this soundtrack.
The best way to improve the sound of the M... is to drive next to a C63s
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KILLED the M in the quarter mile!
And I've got to say synthesized engine sounds is sooo cheezy. It says I'm embarrased by the natural sound of my 3.0 liter..... so I'm going to "enhance" it with this soundtrack.
The best way to improve the sound of the M... is to drive next to a C63s
And I've got to say synthesized engine sounds is sooo cheezy. It says I'm embarrased by the natural sound of my 3.0 liter..... so I'm going to "enhance" it with this soundtrack.
The best way to improve the sound of the M... is to drive next to a C63s
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Any track oriented vehicle meant on focusing on attacking the track should come to no surprise that it's faster than a non-track oriented car, regardless of price. lol yes the Civic Type R is way cheaper than the M3 but what does that say compared to the C63? It says even WAY cheaper and faster. Be careful throwing jabs at the M3 because you just suckered punched the C63 with that Civic comment...
EDIT: Also if you watched that video of the M3 vs Civic Type-R, you'll obviously notice that Steve Sutcliffe drifted around the last turn. Not a clean pass at all.
EDIT: Also if you watched that video of the M3 vs Civic Type-R, you'll obviously notice that Steve Sutcliffe drifted around the last turn. Not a clean pass at all.
The m3 has always been more track focused then the c63s, it still is, and the c63s does other things that are better then the m3.
I own a bmw as well, so not really jabbing at the m3, just stating facts. That and the CTR has impressive ring times, I believe the m3 came in at 7:52, and the CTR at 7:50.
About price point, The m3/m4 isn't much cheaper from where I am, so I am not sure what you are taking about.. there, it's only cheaper if you compare a S model, which has more standard features then non S, and to a complete base m3/m4, once you start adding same options onto the m3/m4 it gets within a few % of each other price range wise.
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Don't forget that the CTR is fitted with R compound tires. Throw some Rs on an M3 or C63 and its game over for the CTR. Not many people factor that in when making CTR comparisons.
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