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Old 02-11-2019, 01:11 PM
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So basically you're telling me that the speed limit affords you the ability to be inattentive while driving? Sorry, not buying. And state law in many states agree, thereby (in many states) making the left lane illegal to drive in; only to be used for passing (like the PA Turnpike). Or simply requiring you to yield to faster traffic (eg VA and FL).

If you're preoccupied, driving Ms. Daisy in the left lane, unaware of your surroundings, you're a danger to everyone, including yourself, cuz you're the one how doesn't notice the emergency vehicle trying to get past you from the "crazy" driver "on an ego trip".

Moreover, many states have a "right of way" in the law itself. So much so, that if you impede traffic flow and cause an accident, it doesn't matter at what speed I was traveling when I struck you; it's *your* responsibility to ensure its safe to enter that driving space that someone else was already occupying.

Lastly, having driven in numerous areas in the world, I can tell you that regarding left/fast lane (cuz in some countries its the right lane) driving, cars *automatically* yielding to faster traffic in that fast lane, as it is the NORM. Not the exception. In many countries, its done automatically. Eg the UK, Germany, etc. In other countries, it's a function of high beam flickering. If you're impeding the flow of traffic, it's to make you aware that you need to move out of the lane to accommodate faster traffic. If you're in another lane, the high beams are often left on to tell you "don't move; maintain your current location". Its pretty much only in the US that I've experienced people driving slow in the fast lane AND being oblivious to their surroundings.

And while I never speed because of ego (not sure who does), I'd argue the same in your case. Get over your ego and "let go" of the oh so precious left lane that you're speed enforcing at 65mph to the flow of traffic which is almost always in the 80s, even in states with a 55mph speed limit. Get over your ego, and realize that even if you prepared, left early, and are driving properly, others may actually have genuine reasons and/or emergencies that warrant them exceeding your comfortable speed. Don't force others to conform to your desire, and simply move outta the friggin left lane. And life will be better for all of us. Oh, and it's the LAW to do so too.
So on one hand you are citing laws about left-lane hogs and how dangerous this can be (no disagreement there), but then your entire reason for making that argument is to say it's ok to flagrantly break other, much more basic laws? Either you have to obey the speed limit (or at least maintaining some semblance of going with the general flow of traffic) and others should obey the left-lane laws. Or the left lane hogs can do as they please if you feel you can break the speed limit as you please. Either both are right or both are wrong. You can't have it one way and not the other. If you are expecting others to obey traffic laws, you should be expected to obey them as well, no matter how much you disagree with them.

And I never said anything about preoccupied drivers or those not paying attention. I said that a driver can only be expected to be aware of what they'd typically encounter with on a normal basis. You can't expect someone simply obeying the law to have to cater to otehr's unlawfulness.

Think about this situation. I'm going 75 mph in a 70 mph zone on a 4-lane divided highway out in the middle of nowhere. I go to pass a truck going 60 in the right lane. I check my mirror and see a car behind me (of course in the right lane, since after all we can't be in the left lane unless we're passing). Based on my expectation that car is going generally the same speed as I am, I pull out to pass. I'm assuming there isn't a maniac out there going 100+ mph. Am I being inattentive because I'm not assuming the car behind me could be going 100+ mph? Am I in the wrong to lawfully pass a car that has a 15 mph speed difference with me just because someone behind chooses to go significantly above the speed limit? Do I just need to submit to the will of the faster car even though I'm going the general speed limit and using the left lane as intended?

I know the general response to this (like the one quoted below) is that I should be aware of the car behind gaining on me quicker than normal, but how is it right for the law-abiding driver, using the highway as intended, to be put in a situation where his/her safety is at risk simply because you want to go significantly faster than what is lawful? I'm not talking about going a speed you feel should be safe. I'm not talking about how other countries have higher and/or no speed limits and everyone seems to be fine. I'm talking about the laws you agree to obey when you get behind the wheel here in this country on our highway and byways. Are there left-lane hogs that clog up traffic and break the laws? Absolutely. And they should be cited for doing so. But just because you have someone else to point the finger at doesn't mean it shouldn't be point as both of you at the same time.

You can't pick and choose which laws you obey and which you don't. Or maybe you think you can, I don't know. Just get off my damn lawn.


Originally Posted by KJ View Post
EVERY Driver is responsible to make safe lane changes and maneuvers at all times. You can be speeding, but still be driving safe (i.e. staying in your own lane, not drifting out of it, not putting yourself in bad situations like timing your arrival in the same piece of road as someone merging onto the highway etc.).

Often I speed, sometimes I don't. When I don't, I get the hell out of the left lane. Sometimes, I want to pass someone and when I check the lane next to me, I can TELL that there's a car booking it way faster than me. If so, I'll just wait for them to pass and then tuck in behind them. Whereas, the bad driver going the speed limit simply sees "Oh, car is quite far back, let me change lanes now going 2/3 his speed" which forces the speeding car to slow down dramatically. In this situation, you blame the speeder and I blame the dummy who can't tell the closing speed to the other car.

If you can't judge the closing speed of other cars around you, or predict their maneuvers on a regular basis, maybe you should pay more attention while you're behind the wheel instead of being the "speed police".
In your example, you blame both drivers. One for excessive speed, and the other for unlawful lane change.

The caveat to that, and is the basis for the ramblings I posted above, is if the driver changing lanes is in fact going proper, common speed for that roadway. If they are pulling out into the left lane going 50 mph in a 70 mph zone, they are being unsafe. If the car changing lanes is going at or above the speed limit with a general assumption no one is stupid enough to go 100+ mph in a 70 mph zone with traffic around, how can they be in the wrong? To me, the driver going fast needs to be aware that there is a possible pass that could happen in front of them and not go flying by those cars assuming that it won't happen.
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperion667 View Post
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It's not a matter of impeding traffic.....it's a careless and reckless way to drive. Why are you THE one?
did the judge tell you to say that? or your lawyer tell you to say that?
i really hate to bring this up, but just trying to bring up a point.
arent you the one that posted earlier you doing 103mph on a 65mph?
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:35 PM
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did the judge tell you to say that? or your lawyer tell you to say that?
i really hate to bring this up, but just trying to bring up a point.
arent you the one that posted earlier you doing 103mph on a 65mph?
Yes, I did post that, and yes I have paid my price and am doing penance.
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:47 PM
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by msd3075 View Post
So on one hand you are citing laws about left-lane hogs and how dangerous this can be (no disagreement there), but then your entire reason for making that argument is to say it's ok to flagrantly break other, much more basic laws? Either you have to obey the speed limit (or at least maintaining some semblance of going with the general flow of traffic) and others should obey the left-lane laws. Or the left lane hogs can do as they please if you feel you can break the speed limit as you please. Either both are right or both are wrong. You can't have it one way and not the other. If you are expecting others to obey traffic laws, you should be expected to obey them as well, no matter how much you disagree with them.

And I never said anything about preoccupied drivers or those not paying attention. I said that a driver can only be expected to be aware of what they'd typically encounter with on a normal basis. You can't expect someone simply obeying the law to have to cater to otehr's unlawfulness.
Trust me, I see the apparent irony you're trying to point out.

Call it idealist/out of touch with reality/whatever you wanna call it, my point is this, simply put:
- Speeding, in it of itself, isn't as dangerous as people/cops make it out to be. It's multifactorial, including your driving experience, the car your driving, amount of traffic, road conditions, etc etc.
- As such, we're asserting that the speed limits are artificially low for revenue generation, not for safety factors
- And also asserting that one of the most dangerous things out there are left lane hogs are drivers who aren't paying attention to traffic circumstances around them

You agree that left lane hogs clog up traffic and break laws. I agree. You state they should be citing for doing so. I agree. But that NEVER HAPPENS. So as a result, that *contributes* to the danger of speeding, by forcing unnecessary lane change and prompting road rage.

My solution: Set realistic speed limits and enforce left lane passing laws. By only doing the former, you actually encourage non-compliance with the latter, which allows the cycle of unsafe driving conditions to continue. If there was a way to petition for more realistic and effective laws, I'd be at the front of the line.

You may reply by simply saying "Or just don't speed." But that just isn't gonna happen. Be it out of necessity or out of pleasure, it's unrealistic. And I hope my aforementioned points have already addressed at why it isn't such an clear and present danger as some would like to believe.

You can't pick and choose which laws you obey and which you don't. Or maybe you think you can, I don't know. Just get off my damn lawn.
That literally gave me a mental image...

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Old 02-12-2019, 05:54 AM
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I have a k40 in my n54 and s63 and love it.. I am definitely getting one for the c63s.. i just leave it on lights only so i don't hear it.. it has radar detection and laser diffusers.. depends how many diffusers you want which depends on where you live as some are hitting you with a new laser from behind now like in Florida and Georgia.. I love how stealth it is and does a great job. I have had them on every car i have bought over the last 20 years.. they will even pay your ticket if you get one. I haven't gotten a speeding ticket in over 20 years. Only have one on my record from when i was 16 and they paid it.. pretty nuts because almost every day i hit over 100mph.. lol i just know where and when to do it.
Please please do not get the K40 system for your next car. It's such an inferior system that is behind the competition now. I say this as someone who had the K40 RL360i system, and I paid to have it removed and replaced with an Escort Max Ci 360.
K40 has the lowest radar detection range, but most importantly, it has the worst laser shifting capabilities. Police laser doesn't stay stagnant, they are constantly getting new guns and the K40 simply hasn't updated to keep up with it. It also falses alot more to K-Band than others.

Dealers push K40 because the markup on them is insane, so it has the highest margin for them.

If radar detection, minimal falsing, and ease of use is your biggest concern, I would recommend the Max Ci360. If laser, customer service, and future proofing is the priority, then get a Radenso RC-M with ALP laser shifters.
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Please please do not get the K40 system for your next car. It's such an inferior system that is behind the competition now. I say this as someone who had the K40 RL360i system, and I paid to have it removed and replaced with an Escort Max Ci 360.
K40 has the lowest radar detection range, but most importantly, it has the worst laser shifting capabilities. Police laser doesn't stay stagnant, they are constantly getting new guns and the K40 simply hasn't updated to keep up with it. It also falses alot more to K-Band than others.

Dealers push K40 because the markup on them is insane, so it has the highest margin for them.

If radar detection, minimal falsing, and ease of use is your biggest concern, I would recommend the Max Ci360. If laser, customer service, and future proofing is the priority, then get a Radenso RC-M with ALP laser shifters.
I appreciate the insight but If i need the locations of cam's I can use waze for free. I can also have the k40 system updated for the latest algorithms used but I have to go to the dealer to get them installed using k40 instead of the auto updates... K40 uses diodes now for laser jamming. Police aren't updating their guns as often as they would like us to believe as I know a few cops who said they use their guns as is until it breaks..I go to like 40-50 white sox games a year and their security is cpd and state troopers so I get into a few conversations with them and have my usuals i see and talk with and it has been brought up on more than one occasion esp when the newer guns came out. Now I am sure there are forces doing that but how many? Out of all the cars on the road i don't think their main worry is drivers with expensive laser jammers. The Max costs more because of the all in one system.. k40 use waze to get map locations of cams which keeps k40's costs down significantly and they do have updates but have to have the dealer install them. I have only gotten 1 ticket over 20 years ago.. My k40 systems over the years have always given me plenty of warning. I am always saying "where is he? where is he?" Then finally the guy pops up. It's not like I have warning issues. I just don't see the value for me personally and where i live and how i drive to justify the massive increase in cost plus a less sleek unit. If you don't think there is nice markup on a $3500 radar laser system you are mistaken and that is not saying that escort doesn't have a great system. the main cost increase is because of their own development of cam locations and over the air updates. The increase in cost, features, and range i do not need and the less sleek interior design keep me on the k40 path.
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