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Vader-C63sE1 04-23-2019 04:31 PM

JB4 is here!
 
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7beea16e81.jpg
installing this week, got the wireless connect and boost controller (BCM) as well.

BMS 04-23-2019 04:38 PM

Awesome!! We've sold tons of these already with great feedback. :zoom:

Klinh 04-23-2019 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Vader-C63sE1 (Post 7739826)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7beea16e81.jpg
installing this week, got the wireless connect and boost controller (BCM) as well.


Congrats !!! How much it cost? Hp/TQ gains? How much boost over stock? Thanks

BMS 04-23-2019 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Klinh (Post 7739896)
Congrats !!! How much it cost? Hp/TQ gains? How much boost over stock? Thanks

https://www.burgermotorsports.com/co...-e63-gts-tuner



https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d685b39252.png

Vader-C63sE1 04-23-2019 06:27 PM

What is amazing to me is that my 2002 Camaro SS was heavily modded for its day. Stage 3 TEA heads (had to fly cut the pistons), Custom N20 CAM, full 1 7/8 long tube headers, LSX Intake and TB 90mm, electric water pump, lots of weigh reduction, high flow fuel pump, the entire suspension was modded even a-arms and k-member, custom drive shaft, 12 bolt rear end with 33 spline gun drilled axles, full slicks and skinnies, and more I can't even recall. NA it made right at 500 rwhp, and on the spray 605 rwhp and 626 rwtq and was a low 10's car with a best of 10.2 @ 136 MPH

This car is making nearly the same numbers with 1-2 mods, just amazes me how engine efficiency has changed and 700-1000 HP monsters are running the streets!

ezatnova 04-24-2019 01:32 AM

Can you post one showing gains on an S?

w62820616 04-24-2019 01:23 PM

JB4 for 2018 C63S How much with all the options ? ship to TX

C3504matic 04-25-2019 10:33 PM

apparently its a secret :rolf:

BMS 04-26-2019 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by ezatnova (Post 7740257)
Can you post one showing gains on an S?

We don't have any dynos with a C63s however the peak numbers will be the same. The delta will be less because the C63s makes a little more power from factory.


Originally Posted by w62820616 (Post 7740627)
JB4 for 2018 C63S How much with all the options ? ship to TX

Free shipping to US on all JB4 systems!
All JB4 systems come the same, the only option would be to choose which data cable you prefer. I would say to go with the bluetooth.

http://www.burgertuning.com/mercedes_benz_C63_JB4.html


Originally Posted by C3504matic (Post 7741998)
apparently its a secret :rolf:

If you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them :)

Thanks,
Payam

ezatnova 04-26-2019 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by BMS (Post 7742386)
We don't have any dynos with a C63s however the peak numbers will be the same. The delta will be less because the C63s makes a little more power from factory.



Free shipping to US on all JB4 systems!
All JB4 systems come the same, the only option would be to choose which data cable you prefer. I would say to go with the bluetooth.

http://www.burgertuning.com/mercedes_benz_C63_JB4.html



If you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them :)

Thanks,
Payam

thanks Payam. Are there plans to update the main BMS thread soon with a comprehensive post that will show an install video, recommended base settings by fuel and mods, and also any sort of guide to basic settings for the boost reduction by gear? Last I saw, a while ago, those parameters sounded confusing (ie not just ďboost reductionĒ), and the values had to be entered backwards and not in a logical way.

Basically, hoping for something for the bulk of the users (like myself) that are in stock Sís and just want a clean simple reliable option to set and forget, but still have the nice feature of putting the map back to stock or valet with the phone, and the nice performance metrics that the app gives.

BMS 05-01-2019 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by ezatnova (Post 7742448)
thanks Payam. Are there plans to update the main BMS thread soon with a comprehensive post that will show an install video, recommended base settings by fuel and mods, and also any sort of guide to basic settings for the boost reduction by gear? Last I saw, a while ago, those parameters sounded confusing (ie not just ďboost reductionĒ), and the values had to be entered backwards and not in a logical way.

Basically, hoping for something for the bulk of the users (like myself) that are in stock Sís and just want a clean simple reliable option to set and forget, but still have the nice feature of putting the map back to stock or valet with the phone, and the nice performance metrics that the app gives.

We're working on video install guides to help everyone with the process. Yes, I'll see what we can do with making a video with the boost by gear reduction.
It is a bit confusing, I know what you mean.

Oh man, I'll update our site shortly! I didn't even know the default settings weren't up.
The JB4 will basically auto detect any mods when you add them, a couple logs and it does the adjustments itself :)
You can start with map 1 or 2 and send us logs. That's what we recommend for pump gas 91 (Map1) 93 (Map2+), every car is different so logs do help identify what you can do.

Thanks,
Payam

ezatnova 05-01-2019 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by BMS (Post 7746140)
We're working on video install guides to help everyone with the process. Yes, I'll see what we can do with making a video with the boost by gear reduction.
It is a bit confusing, I know what you mean.

Oh man, I'll update our site shortly! I didn't even know the default settings weren't up.
The JB4 will basically auto detect any mods when you add them, a couple logs and it does the adjustments itself :)
You can start with map 1 or 2 and send us logs. That's what we recommend for pump gas 91 (Map1) 93 (Map2+), every car is different so logs do help identify what you can do.

Thanks,
Payam

sounds good. Looking forward to seeing all that. Thanks!

Klinh 05-01-2019 03:41 PM

You need a car car to make a video? Iím live in your area.


Originally Posted by BMS (Post 7746140)
We're working on video install guides to help everyone with the process. Yes, I'll see what we can do with making a video with the boost by gear reduction.
It is a bit confusing, I know what you mean.

Oh man, I'll update our site shortly! I didn't even know the default settings weren't up.
The JB4 will basically auto detect any mods when you add them, a couple logs and it does the adjustments itself :)
You can start with map 1 or 2 and send us logs. That's what we recommend for pump gas 91 (Map1) 93 (Map2+), every car is different so logs do help identify what you can do.

Thanks,
Payam


ezatnova 05-01-2019 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by BMS (Post 7746140)
We're working on video install guides to help everyone with the process. Yes, I'll see what we can do with making a video with the boost by gear reduction.
It is a bit confusing, I know what you mean.

Oh man, I'll update our site shortly! I didn't even know the default settings weren't up.
The JB4 will basically auto detect any mods when you add them, a couple logs and it does the adjustments itself :)
You can start with map 1 or 2 and send us logs. That's what we recommend for pump gas 91 (Map1) 93 (Map2+), every car is different so logs do help identify what you can do.

Thanks,
Payam

Thought of a few other questions/comments:

- I wasn't aware about the logs allowing JB4 to auto adjust (auto tune?). I thought I even read somewhere that, unlike past BMW applications, this one does not auto tune.

- Can you help us understand the difference or need for sending in logs to identify fine tuning, vs doing a "couple logs and it adjusting itself"? If there is some auto tuning, is it just limited compared to you pros taking a look at a log and suggesting changes?

- There very well may be "defaults" posted to the site, and I didn't see them. My apologies if that is the case. Not sure though.

Thanks

BMS 05-01-2019 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by ezatnova (Post 7746181)
Thought of a few other questions/comments:

- I wasn't aware about the logs allowing JB4 to auto adjust (auto tune?). I thought I even read somewhere that, unlike past BMW applications, this one does not auto tune.

- Can you help us understand the difference or need for sending in logs to identify fine tuning, vs doing a "couple logs and it adjusting itself"? If there is some auto tuning, is it just limited compared to you pros taking a look at a log and suggesting changes?

- There very well may be "defaults" posted to the site, and I didn't see them. My apologies if that is the case. Not sure though.

Thanks

No, auto tune is different than auto adjust. What I'm talking about are some different JB4 values when changing intake and downpipe etc.
Auto tune will be based off different things which is not on this platform yet. Sorry for the confusion.

For the regular user running pump gas on map 1/2 with some bolts it's PNP no logging or value changing needed.
Just install it and enjoy the much added power!

When going with some e85 blends and methanol or BCM, that's when we'd like to see some logs.
Some adjustments and values will need to be inputted and that's where we can help :)

Thanks,
Payam

Klinh 05-06-2019 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by Vader-C63sE1 (Post 7739826)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7beea16e81.jpg
installing this week, got the wireless connect and boost controller (BCM) as well.

Did you get it install yet?

BMS 05-07-2019 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Klinh (Post 7746166)
You need a car car to make a video? Iím live in your area.

Sorry, I just saw this.

We have our own development C63, thank you though :)

-Payam

Vader-C63sE1 05-09-2019 11:37 AM

Sadly no, I need to make time!

wassup61 05-10-2019 12:42 PM

BMS Any update on W213 E63S map development/dynos?

BMS 05-10-2019 01:49 PM

We've done a few E63S now with good feedback, but no dyno numbers yet on them.

Klinh 05-11-2019 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by Vader-C63sE1 (Post 7739826)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7beea16e81.jpg
installing this week, got the wireless connect and boost controller (BCM) as well.


I am wishing you would install it soon so I can decide JB4 or Dinan. Iím ready for this mod.

untamedd 05-11-2019 12:42 AM

i fail to understand how there has been no dyno for a c63s since forever

scrufy 05-12-2019 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by untamedd (Post 7752953)
i fail to understand how there has been no dyno for a c63s since forever

I think it was said earlier that the numbers are the same as a C63.

Vader C63S 05-12-2019 06:02 PM

is it possible to add extra burbles + crackles with this to the 2019 C63s?

ezatnova 05-12-2019 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by scrufy (Post 7753874)
I think it was said earlier that the numbers are the same as a C63.

Yes, but many of us simply want to see a graph of before and after. I want to see the delta on an S all along the rpm band. It shouldnít be that crazy of an ask, given that Iím sure the majority of the customer
cars are/will be Sís. I really donít think the reason it
hasn't been done is that it will appear disappointing, but it would be good to see nonetheless.


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