Looking at tunes, saw Steve dinans new company CarBahn has one good price for initial tune w hhd and factory mirrored warranty for like 2k total. Higher stages too.
less if dont want warranty. They claim decent numbers, but more driveability and longevity.
Anyone have this or know about ?

Otherwise was leaning toward Wisetec. I have a FL 19 btw.

 

Someone was selling one about a week or two ago. Check the For Sale section. Better, do a search on Dinan. You'll find him and you can ask him yourself.

 

Yeah. Haha, but im sure Mr. DINAN would be kinda a biased review of his new companies product.
I was just trying to see if anyone out there had gotten this tune or had experience with it.
Ill check sale listings though.. thanks

 

I think you misread his reply..

He was suggesting you find the person that was selling his Dinan tune and ASK HIM, not reach out to Steve Dinan...

 

Correct. Here.... https://mbworld.org/forums/market/778604. Look this guy up via PM and talk. GL.

 

Haha, yeah i see now. Thought you were saying both. Seemed plausible Steve would be on here somewhere you know. I did find the guy sellin a DINAN box, but not a CarBahn handheld tuner, two diff things. Ill keep looking.

 

I just sold my Dinan box, but it's different from Steve's new company CarBahn. I think there may be some confusion because there is Dinan (as we know it) which was acquired by Driven Performance Brands. In addition to acquiring Dinan, Driven Performance Brands also acquired APR, B&M Racing and Performance, Flowmaster, Hurst Shifters and other big brands in the aftermarket.

After the acquisition of Dinan, Steve Dinan created a new shop called CarBahn which branches out beyond just BMW and offers some fantastic W205 C63 products (some of the best aftermarket suspension components for this platform have been developed and are available through them). Carbahn's tune is also different than Dinan in that you have the option to select a warranty or not (whereas the Dinan unit came with the warranty), and uses a piggyback (like Dinan) but calls it a "CarBahn Autoworks Booster ECU", here's a pic:




This video is also worth watching to see Carbahn's offering for the W205 C63, their suspension upgrades are by far the most impressive offerings I've seen on this platform:

 

Can I ask why you sold your Dinan box? Good, bad and the ugly?

I really like that video by Steve Dinan on CarBahn's C63 build! Unfortunately, it looks like all of the engine upgrades have to be purchased as a power package. As much as I'd love to overhaul my car (if money wasn't a problem ​​​​​​​), part of the fun is all the incremental improvements IMO.

 

If you look closer, they have just a ecu upgrade called stage 1 smooth power and is available with or without warranty, and a handheld tuner. The other stage 2 power package is different and comes with heat exhabger, tune, turbo upg, and an additional piggyback unit. Stage 1 package is just hht tune and turbo upg.
to find the tune only one i had to click the stage 1 package and then look below at additional/similar options at bottom and there it is.. it is 2200 for hht and warranty or only like 800 for software only and nothing else.

So I can definitely see why the confusion over all this.

 

However, at this point, I've all but pulled the trigger on Capristo catless downpipes and a weistec stage 2 tune. Probably finalizing order tomorrow.
Unless I change my mind last minute, as I often do haha.
I liked that CarBahn says they don't dial back all the oem safety parameters, they tried it and only gained 8hp/tq so said left them in as benefits are greater and more safety than 8hp gain. Also like that says focused on longevity vs absolute max gains, while still showing good numbers and focused on steetability and better power delivery.

Oh forgot, the previously mention power pkg also come w carbon fiber intake.

 

The good: Excellent power and torque, adds as much as any stage 1 only tune can safely do. I increased my 1/4 trap speed 5-6 mph over stock and the mid-range torque was monstrous, if not overwhelming over even my 305 PS4S’s - it makes daily driving even at lower rpms around town extremely fun and that’s the most important thing about these stupid expensive machines we purchase. It was also 100% reliable, I never had any issues with it. If anything, it exposes how badly this car needs to manage IAT’s when adding any boost (or even stock).

It also adds peace of mind with Dinan’s warranty (which comes at a cost, I paid around $1600 or so brand new years ago), and is completely undetectable when removed so I could bring it in for standard service or warranty work at the dealership. That was absolutely required for me, I was not willing to flash my ECU and overwrite OEM data in case **** hit the fan.

The bad: It’s a stage 1 only piggyback tune. It’s no flaw itself because that’s the intent of the product, but it can’t be tweaked for different setups or fuels. This is ideal for people who want to be conservative and just add gobs of torque and power, but not the best option for people who want to add downpipes, play with increased octane, ethanol, or water/meth, or go and upgrade turbos. I’d like to play around with ethanol and more bolt ons now that my factory warranty is winding down.

Also, compared to flashing via OBD, the install for many can be a PITA. For me, because I’ve gotten practice swapping it on and off for the dealership, it’s quite easy. Takes about 30 minutes if the plugs line up and cooperate. But still no where near the convenience of just flashing and overwriting the ECU via OBD.

The ugly: Nothing really. If all you want is a powerful, reliable, discrete stage 1 tune, there aren’t many options better than Dinan, and that’s factoring in their backed warranty when purchased new. Yes, there are other piggybacks on the market that can do more and some pretty special stuff, but they will not cover you if anything goes wrong. It could be unlikely anything ever does, but you never know...

 

I has the Dinan’s Piggyback tune and front camber kit. No issues on both products after 15k miles.

 

I know what you're talking about I feel like I've mentally pulled the trigger on countless modifications only to change my mind last minute haha. Do you know which shop in the Phoenix area you're gona have do your DPs and tune?? Any recs on where to go for this? There's a couple in the Scottsdale area like Parts Score or Good Speed that look like they do a good job!

Thanks for the awesome feedback AlexZTuned! I'm in the same boat where I can't decide if I want to go the conservative route (ie piggy back system) until warranty ends but I feel like I will ultimately end up wanting to do the same as you and start swapping out hardware and completing an OBD tune haha

 

I am going to have the work done at Goodspeed most likely.

 

FYI... Daimler can detect modified input from piggyback boxes if a issue arises. ECU logs all parameter's, they know when its manipulated

 

[QUOTE=nhoj_yelbom;8255522]FYI... Daimler can detect modified input from piggyback boxes if a issue arises. ECU logs all parameter's, they know when its manipulated[/QUOTE

So there is no way to "tune" your car and get away with it if there's a problem...

 

[QUOTE=Erik Apple;8256309]A plain and simple no.

 

[QUOTE=munis;8256748]I don't think mercedes can detect a piggy back. The ecu is adding the boost that it would normally do to compensate for altitude. It's tricking sensors and letting the ecu do its thing.

 

[QUOTE=skratch77;8256792]If they detect deep enough, they can detect everything. The people who designed these cars are a lot smarter than you and me. If the requested boost does not match the actual boost, either you have a leak, or you have a piggyback tune. First they will try to find a leak, if there is no leak they would know about the stinky laundry.

Now would they did that deep if you just need a few sensors replaced? No. What if you need new engine? You bet they would.

 

[QUOTE=munis;8256811]I don't think you understand how piggy backs work. Our cars run say 18lbs boost at sea-level. If you drive at 2000 ft above sea-level the ecu will raise boost to compensate. It's just tricking the car thinking it's at a higher sea-level with thinner air.

Now they can say these sensors were unplugged and there is alot of this going around the net that dealers can detect piggy backs but there is not 1 person that has had there warranty voided.

Heck my dealership I bought the car from asked me if I want a renntech tune done.

 

[QUOTE=skratch77;8256823]Dealerships have offered tunes before. I am pretty I have read on mbworld of people getting their warranty voided even with Renntech tunes. And bimmerpost has had few customers that had their JB4 detected as well. It is all heresay but me personally I would not go to sleep without any worry.

 

[QUOTE=skratch77;8256823]BMW has a system called fasta that records data separate from the ecu logs that are used with making a tune and also record data.. the dealership cannot even see this let alone reset it. it gets uploaded to bmw corp when the dealer needs answers on an issue and the request is made. JB4 has caused tuner codes in the ecu on bmw's there are a number of posts about it. saying no one has ever lost their warranty for a piggy is 100% not true. When a major part fails like the engine, trans, ecu with bmw a PUMA case is automatically made and the dealer has no option and is forced to upload the data requested. If you think Mercedes doesn't have a similar system you are 100% playing yourself.

What I do find kind of shady about all of this is how it is normal for people to feel entitled to one over automakers on the warranty. If you mod your car and you have problems resulted from the modding of your car and try to get the automaker to cover it you are a loser imo. Gotta pay to play. You either go down the modding rabbit hole or keep your warranty.. is it just that a car is expensive and people feel entitled because they spent soo much? i don't get it why people do it.. I mean obviously people don't wanna **** money away but it is outright stealing and it is kind of accepted as the norm by both the dealer and the average modder. Just sounds sooooo cheap. like the person who says they weren't please with their meal even though they ate most or all of it and want a replacement order comped.

 

[QUOTE=purplewidow;8256935]not saying it hasn't happened but post a link to that person losing his warranty. It's all hearsay at this point. And we are not cheap if we pay 90k on our car and the dealer asks to put a tune on it we should not lose any warranty. You do know renntech founder is the other half of amg right?

and mercedes is not bmw our ecus are mod friendly without hard core encryption on them.

 

[QUOTE=purplewidow;8256935]Absolutely agreed. I learned this lesson with my C43. My C63s won't see a single mod because of this reason. The manufacturer states that they will hold their end of the deal as long you hold your end. i.e, don't mess with what we have given you and we will take care of you from the next 8 years. Sounds a very fair deal to me. I rather track this car stock and go to sleep knowing I am covered.

 

you 100% are being cheap!!! You bought a car with a warranty knowing the warranty will be voided.. doesn't matter the cost of the car that was the deal.. Knowingly violating an agreement and making the other party in the agreement pay when you are the one who voided it.. how is that not being cheap? lol they set up the deal and you broke it.. Well then what was the point of the deal no parameters open game? Not paying for the results of your actions when you signed the agreement and broke it and now there are financial repercussions MAKES YOU CHEAP AS ****.. trying to swindle out of a deal is LOW.. just because it is "the norm" doesn't make it right and because it is 100% financially motivated that makes you cheap that you don't accept financial responsibility for your actions in breaking the agreement you put your NAME down on. just because you spent what you consider a lot of money doesn't mean you just get to say **** it.. and i've been modding my cars for 20+ years.. this is the only one i haven't touched yet. Go ask the lambo and rarri modders if they are worried about voiding their warranty and they will LAUGH at you trying to save money trying to get your lil piggy or flash past merc. it's obviously about the money or the question wouldn't even be asked. CHEAP AS FUUUUUUUUUUUCK