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Old Aug 7, 2022 | 09:00 AM
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Posting this on the Tesla forum would be too easy so I’m here for your bias advise

Having owned the previous 6.2 NA the truth is I never fully geld with the new turbo engine. Around town it’s fun but the artificial pops getting a bit tiring after a while. When WOT it’s just too souless and muted so that got me thinking to full ev and get a Tesla model s plaid for daily driving. for the weekend toy I have a 718 GTS so my main concern is will I miss the ott v8? If anyone has made the swap out of v8s I’d love to hear your thoughts
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Old Aug 7, 2022 | 10:52 AM
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If you think the current gen c63s is muted at WOT you're going to HATE a model s plaid
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Old Aug 7, 2022 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by stef1808
Posting this on the Tesla forum would be too easy so I’m here for your bias advise

Having owned the previous 6.2 NA the truth is I never fully geld with the new turbo engine. Around town it’s fun but the artificial pops getting a bit tiring after a while. When WOT it’s just too souless and muted so that got me thinking to full ev and get a Tesla model s plaid for daily driving. for the weekend toy I have a 718 GTS so my main concern is will I miss the ott v8? If anyone has made the swap out of v8s I’d love to hear your thoughts

Tesla is just about the most soulless vehicle out there... it's actually part of the appeal for potential buyers.

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You want folks here to talk you into a Tesla? I think you are at the wrong party . Interesting thoughts on your C63, though, and not surprising to me. I never really liked the artificial pops of past AMGs. Even the 204 pops were artificial. It's technically an anti-lag measure to keep the turbos spooling, but the NA 6.2 V8 obviously has no purpose for that and in the 205 it's not needed if you just tool around town. This is partly why I much prefer my FL. The explosions in the exhaust are just noise and don't sound good to me. The FL has a much more quality V8 sound with a crescendo when WOT instead of sounding like it's misfiring just driving around town, and pops only when you are actually driving it hard. It also has a much better ride quality for a DD.

When it comes to EVs, the question is are you gonna be happy with a quiet and soulless car? I drive my share of soulless cars, including the occasional EV and I can't wait to be back in my C63. Just recently I drove an A6 rental for three weeks. Not an EV obviously, although it had mild hybrid. It was a diesel, so it had decent torque and moved quite well, but overall completely soulless. I enjoy driving my C63 in manual mode, partly because I drove manual transmissions for almost 20 years and it's part of the experience. However, I don't bother in these soulless other cars. It was about as interesting as taking the train. A Plaid will have insane acceleration, but that's about it. How often are you gonna use that? The rest of the time it's just a laptop on wheels rolling along and if you plan to actually get anywhere you will end up driving it economically to preserve the battery charge. Are you gonna be happy with that?

Now, I don't actually daily drive. I should probably stop calling my C63 a daily. Both my wife and I work from home. I have little need to drive on most days, so my car has mostly become a weekend car and during the week if I need to do a quick errand I often take my wife's much more boring car. However, and perhaps this is to your point, the 4 weeks I was away in Europe really left a craving to drive my C63 and I've been driving it whenever I have to go somewhere. After doodling along in this A6 for weeks, being back in the C63, even just running an errand, puts a smile on my face again. But as I've said elsewhere sometimes it's just easier to drive a soulless car if you just need to get somewhere. I still think I would probably get an EV as third car if I actually had a commute or need to daily drive. There's not much of a difference between a C63 and a duller car when stuck in commuter traffic, so I guess part of it comes down to what daily driving actually looks like for you.

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Old Aug 8, 2022 | 11:20 AM
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My partner recently picked up a model S non plaid to replace her c300 coupe. I still have my C63s but I drive the tesla once a week when I need to make my extra long commute and of course it does all the grocery/costco duties now with that awesome cargo space and hatch. The model S is overall a nice car to drive on a commute and has plenty of power and handling for merging, taking curvy ramps at speed, etc but I would never take it for a pleasure drive in the way I do in the amgs. In some ways it has made me appreciate the amgs more, now when I drive them I am pretty much always in manual mode, and really enjoying the cars for what they are on back roads without being in a rush to get to work or home. I am always toying with the idea of replacing one of them with a 911 or 718 especially now with the tesla in the picture but there is something about these v8s that I know I will miss. Tough decisions.
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Old Aug 8, 2022 | 11:42 AM
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Old Aug 8, 2022 | 01:24 PM
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You can seek all of the opinions you want. I do the same, but I generally end up going with what I want. At this point in time you probably won't get hurt too badly with depreciation, so go for it. If you don't, you'll always be wondering. The Tesla model you are looking at is not the typical Y or 3 model you see 2 or 3 of at every traffic light.
You are getting a rocket that will beat 99.9% of the cars on the road with straight line acceleration. That in itself would keep the smile on my face for a long time. Your 718 GTS will quench your need for handling and a little noise. My guess is if you do get the Tesla, short trips to the store, etc will be made in that over the Porsche. Good luck with whatever you do.
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Old Aug 8, 2022 | 01:59 PM
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I think if you are thinking of a v8 this is the last hurrah likely. The next gen teslas and jumps will be bigger and bigger as competition actually emerges for Tesla to make improvements for example going to 900V, better auto driving etc.

I like Elon a lot, building a start up car company takes ***** of steel and many have failed by dirty tactics. I think there is a movie about DeLorean that is a much watch for background info.

The S and M 3P are quicker. The c63 takes over when rolling around 65-75 mph and will catch up at a dig around 130, from a low speed roll around 110 against a m3p. I think a c63 4 matic would be as quick as a M3P.

I cross shopped the M3P and used C63 vert. I went with the C63 vert. People really like the car. I'm not sure you can make a wrong decision here.
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I have a Tesla model Y Performance and C63s.
I use the Tesla mostly for grocery getter and around town driving as well as for long trips. It’s much more comfortable hauling wife and kid.
I never driven in a plaid so I can’t really compare but even with 0 to 60mph in 3.5 seconds, I rarely ever drive it fast. I did some pulls early when I got it but haven’t done it since but that’s me. Perhaps you might drive more spirited in a plaid more often.
Ideally it would good to have both for different driving purposes. I have been driving my C63 for 4 years and still enjoy driving it. I think the sound and feel is what sets it apart. I love the pops and bangs of the exhaust and V8 of the C63 which I think most AMG drivers like about it.
I never have a yearning to drive the Tesla for just driving reasons.
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Old Aug 8, 2022 | 03:24 PM
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If you want a fast and fun EV stay away from Tesla and instead simply get a Taycan or E-Tron GT.
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Old Aug 8, 2022 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by stef1808
Posting this on the Tesla forum would be too easy so I’m here for your bias advise

Having owned the previous 6.2 NA the truth is I never fully geld with the new turbo engine. Around town it’s fun but the artificial pops getting a bit tiring after a while. When WOT it’s just too souless and muted so that got me thinking to full ev and get a Tesla model s plaid for daily driving. for the weekend toy I have a 718 GTS so my main concern is will I miss the ott v8? If anyone has made the swap out of v8s I’d love to hear your thoughts
Get ecu, tcu tune and a pair of catted downpipes. You’ll change your mind trust me
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Old Aug 9, 2022 | 07:42 AM
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Some great replies thanks made for interesting reading exactly the point of views I was looking for. I’m starting to agree an ev should be a “third run around car” which is a struggle to justify the plaid price.

perhaps the last post of tune and pipes makes the most sense
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Old Aug 9, 2022 | 12:13 PM
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If you think the current gen c63s is muted at WOT you're going to HATE a model s plaid
Well, the OP could always download a V8 soundtrack to make it sound better than SILENT...

A friend of mine owns a Tesla. While visiting his home we went out for a drive in each other's cars. Mine's a '20 C63S coupe with no mods. I found the Tesla suspension similar to the base model Cayenne. "Floatie" suspension. Never really planted. Not happening here. I'll stick with my '18 Macan Turbo with air suspension and the Benz for the twisties. And it burbles just fine...
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As a day to day fast practical car you can’t beat the Tesla. Most people aspire to just that. If you’re one of the minority who is rocked by a thunderous V8, C63S is as good as it gets, and another world. If you are not, you are not.

Most of my friends are Tesla type people and I love them just as much as my friends who love my car. No judgements involved. But the C63S does have something that neither 718 nor Tesla will ever have, and as a wild practical contemporary V8 performance saloon/sedan/coupe/convertible, nothing else comes close. Particularly with some choice mods!
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Old Aug 10, 2022 | 01:26 AM
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Definitely drive an M5 Competition before you get a Plaid
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If you’re buying new, and have a little cash to burn, you could go for a Brabus C63S. Retain warranty and get either 600 or 650hp; or keep power the same and get the Brabus exhaust and rear diffuser, which you have to have with the exhaust. Or both. Either way you keep the warranty.

if MB warranty doesn’t matter, playing around with the exhaust makes a lot of sense from what I hear. Both more fun than a Tesla, or a Taycan, excellent cars but lacking in character for driver appeal.
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If you’re buying new, and have a little cash to burn, you could go for a Brabus C63S. Retain warranty and get either 600 or 650hp; or keep power the same and get the Brabus exhaust and rear diffuser, which you have to have with the exhaust. Or both. Either way you keep the warranty.

if MB warranty doesn’t matter, playing around with the exhaust makes a lot of sense from what I hear. Both more fun than a Tesla, or a Taycan, excellent cars but lacking in character for driver appeal.
Tesla basically lacks in everything except Elon 'douchey' Musk-ery LMAO!
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Lol Teslas are complete trash. Get a V8 while you can. In 4 years Teslas will be the worst electric vehicle you can buy with all these ACTUAL car manufacturers building their own EV's. Tesla is the 2000's Kia of electric cars. They just don't have competition yet, but they will VERY soon.
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Lol Teslas are complete trash. Get a V8 while you can. In 4 years Teslas will be the worst electric vehicle you can buy with all these ACTUAL car manufacturers building their own EV's. Tesla is the 2000's Kia of electric cars. They just don't have competition yet, but they will VERY soon.
Interior might not be that great but they do make the fastest production cars. As far as quality I am fortunate after one year no issues.
Im not sure who makes better EVs than Tesla now for the money . Maybe future that will change but I think Tesla is ahead of the game and will up their game against competition.
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Old Aug 14, 2022 | 12:40 PM
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Interior might not be that great but they do make the fastest production cars. As far as quality I am fortunate after one year no issues.
Im not sure who makes better EVs than Tesla now for the money . Maybe future that will change but I think Tesla is ahead of the game and will up their game against competition.
Negative. Porsche makes the fastest production EV. Just took the record back for the Nurburgring. My point is that what Tesla has done isn't something other car manufacturers can't do very easily and they will VERY quickly surpass Tesla with better performance, looks, build quality, etc.
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Negative. Porsche makes the fastest production EV. Just took the record back for the Nurburgring. My point is that what Tesla has done isn't something other car manufacturers can't do very easily and they will VERY quickly surpass Tesla with better performance, looks, build quality, etc.
Can confirm first hand. The Taycan is a major jump above a Tesla on virtually every level. As expected.

However all EV's are just homogeneous and outright boring. It's exactly the same fundamental experience between the two brands. Quick launches, lots of screens everywhere... and a focus on making your car an appliance.
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Can confirm first hand. The Taycan is a major jump above a Tesla on virtually every level. As expected.

However all EV's are just homogeneous and outright boring. It's exactly the same fundamental experience between the two brands. Quick launches, lots of screens everywhere... and a focus on making your car an appliance.
That's a great description "an appliance".
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That's a great description "an appliance".
Hehe you guys are savages. I love it 😝
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Negative. Porsche makes the fastest production EV. Just took the record back for the Nurburgring. My point is that what Tesla has done isn't something other car manufacturers can't do very easily and they will VERY quickly surpass Tesla with better performance, looks, build quality, etc.
I believe that Taycan is only available in Germany. In regards to 0 to 60mph and 1/4 mile S plaid is still fastest for now.
I agree in the future other manufacturers will catch up to Tesla’s performance but also by then Tesla should be ahead of the curve and should have better performance.
Im very far from being Tesla fanboy and still prefer ICE over EV.
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I believe that Taycan is only available in Germany. In regards to 0 to 60mph and 1/4 mile S plaid is still fastest for now.
I agree in the future other manufacturers will catch up to Tesla’s performance but also by then Tesla should be ahead of the curve and should have better performance.
Im very far from being Tesla fanboy and still prefer ICE over EV.
In my humble mind, Tesla has no where NEAR the cache and style that Porsche cars exude Hell, a 944 is cooler than any Tesla LOL.
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