** Evosport CLK63 Black Series Project **
 

Working on the CLK63 Black Series project. Have a car here and we're designing and building a number of great upgrades for the vehicle. Will use this thread to keep everyone posted. Some of the items being worked on as we speak are:

• Stainless long-tube performance headers + hi-flow cats
• Stainless x-pipe resonator replacement
• Compound brake rotors (front/rear) + upgraded pads
• evosport dampened crankshaft and accessory pulley kit
• Custom software
• Dymag Carbon/Kevlar wheels
• Bolt-in chromolly rollcage w/ harness bar
• Aero Package (front carbon lower diffuser, rear carbon DTM-style wing)
• Track Package (billet lower rear adj. control arm, camber plates, track spring setup)

Below are pics of the car and of the bolt-in rollbar we've designed (available now) specific to this vehicle. Tig-welded 4130 Chromoly, tight fit, bolt-in, very clean install...available painted or powder coated in any color or wrapped in leather or alcantara. Will post more pics soon...

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...20(Medium).JPG

Here are some pics powder coated before being wrapped in factory match leather:

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s/_A140379.JPG

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s/_A140383.JPG

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s/_A140385.JPG

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s/_A140390.JPG

Very nice cage, although it makes me cringe to see the interior taken apart like that...:eek:
Few questions about your mods -
Exhaust: The BS already has factory headers, how are you improving them? Cats, are you custom making the high flow cats or using an existing product?
Brakes: What do you mean by "compound rotors"? Do you mean carbon rotors similar to the PCCB's?
Software: What software - transmission, ECU and who is writing the code, is it all being done in house or are you using Renntech ?
Aero pkg: Are you using the factory European Aero package or making one custom and laying your own carbon fiber ?
Track suspension: Where are you getting the billet suspension peices or are they being custom designed and fab'd?
Lastly - will you be installing the RoW racing seats, halon system and a fuel cell ?

Thoughts - It sounds like this is for sure going to be a great track car...however at the same time, it sounds a bit counterintuitive after having spent a few days with my car on the track. Simply put, the BS is far from being a "good" track car. It can handle the abuse of track duty all day long in stock form, but it's still a big heavy car that shows it weight in the corners. If going fast on the track is what you want, you'd be better served in a GT3 or for even less and probably faster, a well modded Evo with slicks.

I realize this is a customer car, and many people have an idea of what they want and are willing to throw lots of $$$$ at it - so to each his own. I look forward to hearing what you have to say about the above questions and congrats on a very unique car. It will no doubt be a scream on the track.
:y

Long Tube Headers...
 

T304 stainless steel, tig-welded, tri-y design, high velocity merge collector, pulse tuned, port matched, sleeved design.

Below are pics of the prototype unit...more to follow...

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo..._header_01.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo..._header_02.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo..._header_03.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo..._header_04.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo..._header_05.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo..._header_06.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo..._header_07.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo..._header_08.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo..._header_09.jpg

Exhaust: Factory car has log manifold (see below pic). See above post for improvement. Cats will be custom.

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...3BS_js/001.jpg

compared to:

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...DSC09924wm.jpg

The factory is still a log manifold, just a bigger one then the other 63's. The proper long tube header is a big difference as you can see.

Brakes: To start, we will offer multi-piece rear rotor (factory is solid) for the rear to match the front. Similar to what we offer now for the 55 AMG's (see below). Later we will offer a carbon ceramic rotor replacement option.

http://www.evosport.com/images/produ...5brake-ds2.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/images/produ...nstalled01.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/images/produ...5brake-ds1.jpg

Software:ECU to start and tuned for long tubes and cats. Done in house with Powerchip. Every evosport power package is tuned using our in house dyno and engineering in partnership with Powerchip exclusively.

Aero pkg: Making our own. For a few reasons we have gone down this road with our own design and manufacture.

• euro factory parts are very difficult to get reliably
• euro factory parts are extremely expensive, and fluctuating with the exchange rate
• we want to change the design slightly

Track suspension:All suspension pieces are being designed and produced in-house.

Very impressive, Simon. That car is going to be sick and those headers are works of art. I thought the BS sounded amazing in stock form....yours is going to sound WICKED. Cannot wait to see the finished product. Did you guys plan to do all this for the BS, or did this all happen becasue a customer requested it ?

"If going fast on the track is what you want, you'd be better served in a GT3" ???
 

That is my 63 BS that EvoSport is working on. I did have the opportunity to run (in stock form) at the Autobahn road racing course near Joliet, IL on both the intermediate and long courses. There were 2 GT3's running that day (one of which is a good friend of mine). I was running a consistant 1.3-1.5 seconds per lap faster on the intermediate and nearly 2.0 seconds on the long course. There was also a GT2 on the track that I was maintaining within a half second per lap. Furthermore, that was my first time on the long course, my 63 was only a week old and the guys in Porsches were regulars. I was having huge traction/oversteer issues as well. I would guess that with another days worth of practice and some good tires, fiddling with suspension adjustments and ride height I would be closer to 3 seconds faster than the GT3's and at least as fast as the GT2. This thing makes MPH at an alarming rate when it is hooked up. I have/do own some fast, exotic machines, and there are not too many out there that pull like this one. Not sure how familiar you are with lap times, but 2 seconds on sub 2 mile course is not even in the same league! The GT3's were not even a match on the straights...can't believe those cars get such acclaim seeing how slow they are to accelerate off the corners. I could baby it through a corner, get no drive out and still catch and pass them down the straights. I could honestly toy with them on the straights, I almost felt sorry for them...it really was that bad! It seemed that the only department the GT3's could out perform me was in braking, they were consitantly out braking me in the moderate to hard braking sections. I attribute this to vehicle weight, brake compound and down force. With the help of EvoSport I am addressing the brake compound and most importantly the down force issues. The engineers at AMG should have thrown a big wing in this thing from the factory, something similar to a DTM wing would have been nice.

I don't know how much of the above was due to driver skill, that is always a major factor. I was a professional superbike racer and have lots of seat time in road and race cars on the track, but the fact that I had only a few days worth of street driving time with my 63 BS and I still spanked those guys says a lot about the capabilities and potential of the 63 BS. I'm not saying the BS is going to go out and win at LeMans, but it is a very worthy competitor to a GT3 in my eyes.


I would sumise that by your comments you, either don't have a lot of track/racing experience, or your vehicle had some sort of a problem such as tire air pressure or you fiddled with your suspension setting and made things worse by doing so. My vehicle does not "show it's weight in the corners". In fact just the opposite. It shows it weight approaching a corner but once you turn in and commit to a line the car tracks well, the stock suspension does a good job at leveling off with no understeer at all. Even when trail braking, the car does not push much. Usually, in my past experiences a "heavy" car would have a tendency to push or "understeer" in a corner. I can't wait to see my lap times this spring after I get the car back. I will let, the guys at EvoSport release what information they want when they want, but this will be a completly different beast when they are done. There is no Halon or fuel cell being installed. This car will probably see more street use than track time. The cage and harnesses are my choice for my own safety....Bring it on GT3's!

[QUOTE=jrcart;2607830] something similar to a DTM wing would have been nice.

jrcart

Nice write up. I concur. AMG has a euro aero package for the CLK 63 Black that would address your concerns with much more down force. The problem is getting them in the states. Someone will eventually parts source them.:)

AMG hasn't come out and said it, but their test drivers all admit that the Black is as fast as the CLK DTM on shorter courses so it's no surprise that there the measure of any GT3.

I know it's never cheap being first in putting together race parts. I applaud your efforts. Keep up the good work. :y

Interesting summation considering you don't know me from Adam....
I used to instruct at Skippy so I have plenty of seat time. I also run business development for a Grand Am race team and work side by side with our team manager who used to manage an F1 team. So, I feel that I can speak to your project with a certain degree of knowledge. I agree with you about the Black Series' ability to put down some very quick lap times...but in my experience, weight is ALWAYS a huge factor for a good race car/track car. And the Black Series is simply overweight tipping the scales at close to 2 tons. Perhaps I just have a different frame of reference for cars showing their weight in the turns than you do.

The day I had my car at the track, we were testing one of our DP cars. Both team drivers, Bill Auberlen and Gene Sigal (team owner) were there and spent time behind the wheel in my car giving it a good workout and their opinions were the same. It's an amazing street car, but far from a good track car simply becasue of it's weight. Sure, it will handle track duty all day long. But just sustaining track duty and not being the fastest are two very different things considering there was a $65k Evo on slicks out there spanking me the way you claim to have spanked GT-3's...
The first thing Bill said when he opend the drivers door was "this door must weight 150 lbs, minimum." So, with that being said, by myself and someone who has raced Le Mans, I would sumise that you have very deep pockets and very little time or experience with true race cars. Or, you just want the next coolest car a the country club.
Either way, you will have a very unique and blisteringly fast car when they are done and I too applaud you for your efforts - I hope you plan on keeping your Black Series for a long time and driving the piss out of it.

:y

hmmmm, I'm going to stick to my guns on this one. I never said the BS is light, I just stated that it does not show it weight or handle like a "heavy car". I have driven, as well as own/owned some cars that "feel heavy". I really don't care how much driving or racing experience you have. THE LAST TIME I CHECKED ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS ON A RACE COURSE IS LAP TIMES! So everything else you said is irrelevant. Here's a question for you Speed Racer. Which of the following vehicles would you rather race in? One that runs consitant 2:25's at Road America or one that is running consistantly slower 2:27's? Well????? Well, the 2:25's are what I run in my 3900 plus pound Lingenfelter 4 DOOR CTS-V and the 2:27's are what I run in my 3100 pound Dinan tuned M3. DUDE, PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE MAGAZINES AND CHAT ROOMS AND GET IN THE REAL WORLD! I don't care if you had Micheal Schumacher himself behind the wheel of your car, a true enthusiest or racer is going to favor the faster vehicle.

As far as your credentials go, I'm not impressed. Show me a profesional license and I might be impressed. As for the name dropping, I can flip open my cell phone and give you the personal phone numbers of some "real" big name drivers. I have raced (not tracked days, actually raced) at every major circuit in North America, Daytona, Laguna, Road America, Mid Ohio, Brainerd, Heartland Park, PIR, LVMS, Road Atlanta, Watkins Glen, etc., etc., etc. I have also lapped the road course at Daytona in multiple Trans Am cars and SCCA sports cars, driven Nascar Cup cars on ovals and road courses, spent an afternoon in a Corvette C5R, and lapped the Chicago Speedway (not Chicagoland) in a 1997 Dale Coyne Racing Indy/CART (whatever the hell it was called then) car. I still hold an acctive pro liscence for the AMA Superbike series, which I competed in for 2.5 seasons. As an ametuer mototcycle racer in 1997 I shattered and still hold the CCS record for most points and most wins in all 4 classes at the national level as well as the 4 individual US regions I competed in.

I'll be out in Sunny California to do a shakedown run of my BS the last week of February, let me know if you want to join me for an afternoon at The Streets. Try to bring a streetable GT3 if you know anyone that has one. I would be interested to put this debate to rest with a real world, head to head race or we can just pull out the stop watches. I am not affraid to put my money where my mouth is. If that does not work I will be running the road course at LVMS about a week later, after the Nascar teams pull out of the infield. My friend will be out there with his GT3 and Carrera GT.

Bro your car is crazy, this will make it so much faster and stiffer. it will be amazing. i think you should join us at the track event at willow next time around. there is a guy i know with a clk dtm that i will also talk into coming if he can pull the permit.

congrads on the car and keep it up.

And on a side note, a heavier car just means you need to know how to drive/handle the care better. If they are complaining about the weight than there not that good. Yes, a lighter car will be easier to control but dose not mean it will handle better.

Willow Track Day
 

Thanks for the invite. When is your next track day at Willow? I am from Chicago, so it is difficult to get my car out west. It is at EvoSport in Huntington Beach right now. I am pressing them to get the car done by February 27. I believe they are going to be doing some tests and photoshoots with some magazines. Maybe they have a track already rented out. I already have plane tickets to fly out there on the 27th to pick the car up. I am supposed to leave on Friday morning the 29th to drive to Vegas. I will be in Vegas for a week and will be doing some laps on the road course at LVMS later the following week. I will keep you posted, but it sounds like fun.

Jim,

:cheers:

Jim, your CLK63 BS is sick! Thanks for having the balls to track the car and also kick it up a notch by modifying it. I think the roll cage and brakes look way clean.

Not too many guys who own a BS have the guts to start modifying it before its first oil change. Best of luck and please keep us CLK55 guys posted on the "before" and "after"!

Just keep an eye on this thread. I believe this thread was started by the guys at EvoSport, I think they are going to be releasing photos, and Dyno numbers as they make progress. I'm expecting final pix of the leather wrapped roll cage today or tomorrow. I'm told initial ECU program is complete. Pulleys are out for anodizing, headers are getting the finishing touches applied to them. Then they will complete the X-Pipe exhaust and hi-flow cats or cat delete (yes, cat delete, we can get away with that in IL). I believe they are now working on a carbon fiber front diffuser and carbon fiber rear deck lid with an intergrated wing that will replace the factory steel rear deck lid. They are expecting to have the 19"x11" Dymag Carbon Fiber/Magnesium wheels early February. I am also having SLR style scissor doors installed (I've got to have a little bit of a Bling factor)....funtion, function, function and a little bit of fashion!

Good stuff. That bar looks like the tequipment one I have :) Cool hats and headers. A neat thing would be to put the logo on the outside radius so you can see it when mounted up through the wheel :)

Of course you're not impressed, I wouldn't expect someone with your extensive professional car racing background to be. But, you clearly are trying to impress us with you list of accolades and accomplishments which really don't mean squat. I've driven, lapped and raced lots of cars too...but I am not foolhardy enough, as you seem to be, to think that I know more than the paid professional drivers who have been behind the wheel of my car and given me their impressions. You clearly think you know more than Bill Auberlen...well, then why aren't you racing ALMS and Grand Am ? :rolleyes:
That was a rhetorical question, so no need to answer as I'm sure you will just blither on about how you can call some "REAL big name drivers". So, do it then and let us know their opinions after some seat time in your car. LOL. Sorry Bill and Gene aren't "real" enough racers for you...nor do their professional opinions matter to someone with your racing pedigree.

LOL - that comment speaks volumes about your intentions with this project. Best of luck, I'm sure it'll be a real head turner at the country club and boost your ego further into the stratosphere than it already is.

No intention of putting anyone on the spot here, because I do think this thread is moving off-topic, but I did make a phone call just a few minutes ago. I've met Bill Auberlen at the track a few times, and I have friends who go to the river with him (he's a big boating buff). I'm also friends with racecar driver Cort Wagner, who is good friends with Bill. In any case, through my phone calls, I got a response from Bill regarding the Black Series. When asked what he thought of the car, Bill's response (this is today) was:

"I have never been in or driven a CLK63 Black. I have heard that they were great."

You sure it was Bill who drove your car??

Yes, Gene and Bill. Did you speak to Bill just now ? I thought he was on his way to Daytona ?
I too would prefer not to derail this thread as I do think it's a cool project regardless of our differing views about the cars weight ;)

He was in Huntington Beach, CA.

You guys should just agree to disagree and leave it at that. And yes, this is a VERY COOL project! Good job Evosport! Keep us posted!!

This is great, better than high school, this thread is like a time machine!

Bro, you have some sensitivity issues, as well as some literacy and memory issues. I never claimed to be a profesional car racer, show me where I stated that. I said I raced superbikes (AMA) profesionally, and had seat time in quite a few real race cars. I am a better than average car driver, but probably not a pro level driver, I have never really taken the time to find out. I do know enough about how a car feels, I know how to comunicate to engineers and mechanics to get a proper set up. The only reason I threw out my car experience was because you seem to think I have no driving skills what so ever. You were the first guy, dropping names and bragging about being a friggin Skip Barber, follow the leader lappy( that's what they are, are they not?) I laid down an offer to make a truce, for you to meet me out for a track day, on one of your home tracks, but rather than accept you'd rather sit here and "blither" on about meaningless crap. Talk is real friggin cheap...especially from behind a computer. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is are you?

As for your "Country Club" comments, I am a 36 year old, somewhat long haired, tatoo having, Harley riding, dirt bag. I swing a golf club about as often as I swing a broom...which is never. They only country club I frequent is the Autobahn Race Club here in Chicago. I could care less what anyone thinks. If I wanted flashy I'd have bought a Yellow Lambo or something. I take it you don't like the scissor door idea? Maybe I'll have EvoSport ship the car over to the guys at PIMP MY RIDE when they are done with it. I'll have them put a $10,000 stereo system in the trunk, a few tv monitors in the visors and an esspesso machine in the center console....and I'll still spank you (while sipping an esspresso) Why do you have to hate? I have been looking at a lot of your old and recent posts, they always have a negative flair to them. Were you an orphan child? Did your parents not hug you enough?

I better go now before I start getting mean. Maybe we should start a thread just so we can keep bashing each other...what do you think?

Get the discussion back on track!
 

I think EVERYONE here agrees that this is a great thread. And we all want to keep it that way. Please get the discussion back on the subject matter at hand. As someone said earlier, just agree to disagree and move on...

To get this back on track, I thought some eye candy would be good!

PRE-MOD TESTING
Here is the car on the pre-mod dyno:
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...bs_dyno_01.jpg


DYMAG CARBON/KEVLAR WHEELS
Here we are testing the look of a 18" Dymag:
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...mag_test_1.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...mag_test_2.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...mag_test_4.jpg
We are building them in 19" for the car, BTW. We just happened to have a set of 18" from one of our race cars.


LEATHER WRAP ON BAR
Here are some pics of the leather wrap option on the roll bar:
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...ar_wrap_01.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...ar_wrap_02.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...ar_wrap_03.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...ar_wrap_08.jpg
We used the steering wheel to match the pattern, texture and stitching.

BTW, the weight of the bar wrapped is only 42lbs, not too bad!

Thanks
Brad

Brad - very nice work on the cage. The attention to detail is fantastic. The Dymags are really nice and will make the car that much more fun to drive, not to mention removing unsprung weight which will make the car faster, more nimble and brake even shorter. However, I just do not like the yellow hue on the carbon barrel. Especially right next to the air extractors as you can really see the difference in the factory, non heat treated carbon.
Excellent work - now post a sound clip of those headers :y

Brad,
I have several questions on the chrome moly roll bar. What is the diameter and wall thickness on the tubing? Secondly, are the mounting points to the floor, frame rails or seat belt pick up points.
Although my car will see light track use, some clubs scrutinize safety equipment with very little flexibility and I don't want to have them drill a leather wrapped bar.

Brad,

Wow, I'm impressed. It turned out even better than I was expecting. I wanted a factory, OEM look, and you guys delivered.

Jim

+1 - spont on. The detail on that stitching is something to be proud of.

Looks like it's min 2.250 x .120 wall thickness. That's standard size for CM tubing widely used in the motorsports industry. I'm interested to know as well where the mounting points are.

Impressive Quality
 

Brad,

Your images really show off the quality and attention to detail that you have put into your modifications. Very impressive!

It'll be interesting to learn how all of this work has improved the perfromance of the car.

JDB

Do you want to know what I think would be cool, and the best way to measure any perfomance gains? A head-to-head comparison. Dyno sheets will only tell part of the story. We need to get this thing on the track with a stock BS and see what it can do. Laptimes, 0-60, 100-0 braking, skid pad, 1/4 mile. I know it's a long shot, but are any of you interested in supplying a stocker? The only guy in my area that I know of with a BS has it parked with 21 miles on it, locked up with collection of other exotic automobiles. He seems to think it is going to have some significant value someday, so I know his will never see a track.

What did the car dyno as the baseline?

Brad/Simon - what's the latest with this project ??

any updated pics? wheels on?

Guys- the car is getting the aero components worked on. No pics to show you right now. Stay tuned...

What were the results of the post dyno?

Lotta eye candy getting me excited EVO, where's the beef?

Yeah, I'm very anxious to hear the results as well. While I don't have a CLK BS, I'm hoping the headers and software are compatible with the C63. Everything in these pics look very well made.

Nice rollbar especially the wrap. Looks very much like the tequipment bolt in Porsche one however that's aluminum- you might try that it weighed NOTHING! Also are there seat belt points to bolt it in? You might do it just like they do making it a true bolt in, although you have to bend them a little for fit usually to line up the holes-

It would drop the weight by 2/3.

What you guys should do is install some carbon ceramic brakes :D

This is in regards to the person that comented on doing the roll bar in aluminum rather than steel, similar to a Porsche Tequipment bar.

I'm no structural engineer, but wouldn't a roll bar made out of aluminum have to be at least 40% larger in diameter, depending an gauge/wall thickness, to offer the same tensile strength as chromoly steel? If so wouldn't that make it large and obstrusive in the cockpit, especially in a car with a full cage? How much weight savings are we talking about, 10%, 50%??? I have been around quite a few heavily modded street cars and race cars and have not seen many (any in my case) aluminum roll bars, then again, I really have not paid that much attention. If aluminum is indeed a viable material why is it not being used more for cages? Or is it??? I am talking about real cages, designed for safety, not just some bolt in piece of jewelry here.

Can anyone inform me/us on this topic?

Thanks

I have never seen an aluminium cage. And I know it is not a cage material that is approved by the FIA, or any other sanctioning body for that matter. The most common materials used are carbon steel and chromoly. The latter of the two being the strongest and lightest. The major difference, however, is the way the tubing is actually made. The 3 most common ways are:
CDS = Cold Drawn, Seamless

ERW = Electron Resistance Welded

DOM = Drawn Over Mandrel

Some links for your reading pleasure :)

http://www.keytosteel.com/default.as...kArticle&NM=62

http://www.keytosteel.com/default.aspx?ID=Articles

LZH...Thanks for your input, I didn't think aluminum was a viable material for cages. What is SPR refering to when he mentioned the Porsche Tequipment roll bar? Does he have his wires crossed? Is it indeed made of aluminum? Is this just more of an "appearence piece" he his refering to? I always though Tequipment was just appearence stuff, or is it designed just as a structural tie or brace to minimize body roll (think strut tower brace) with no crash or impact safety? I just Googled it and did not find any info on it. Just curious why someone would put a non-approved or non-functional roll bar/cage in a vehicle, especially in a Porsche. I could understand some kid putting one in a Civic or something, but a Porsche?

!!! amazing job with the upgrades!!! :eek::bow::bow::y

Even if this roll bar could be constructed out of aluminum, I highly doubt it would weigh 2/3's less than the chromoly unit. The above roll bar weighs in at 42 pounds including the leather wrap and padding according to the guys at Evosport who designed and built it. Lets just say the un-padded steel bar by itself weighs 40 pounds (-2 pounds for leather and padding), that means you are saying an aluminum version would weigh about 13.4 pounds....no way! If this were the case some race team with very deep pockets would have figured out a way to do this by now.

aluminum cages
 

The Renault Maxi Group B (killer bee) car or it might have been the Tour de Course car had an aluminum cage. I made an exact copy for a customer out of 1 5/8" by 1/8" wall 6061T6. Obviously it is a lighter car, but I had the actual factory cage to duplicate.

I'll put my money on the BS. I have gone up against a few GT3's during basic track days stock to stock I was easily handing them there A$$'s. They were equal when they came up to speed on the straights but i would eat them up going in the corners(probrably driver experience there) and pull the hell out of them comming off the corners(in a tuna boat E55) I have video and in cockpit ***** talking to prove it. you will need a GT2 to have a chance at a BS.

jrcart, Sweeeeet project way to have some balls and go for it.!!! keep us posted!

Finished Roll-Bar...
 

Here are pics of the completed roll-bar installed in the car...

http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/001.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/002.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/003.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/004.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/005.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/006.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/007.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/008.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/009.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/010.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/011.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/012.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/013.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/014.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/015.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/016.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/017.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/018.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/019.jpg

:eek:


:bow:

How much labor/difficulty is involved in the installation process?

That looks like it's going to be an amazing car. I am brand new to this forum today, I did not even know it existed. I just took delivery of my Black Series last month. I am looking to try to get some more HP out of her. I have been reading that none of the 63 motors are easy to squeeze much HP out of. I have a heavily modded CLS 55, which is tame enough for everyday driving but it's a rocket when I want it to be. Has anyone done anything that has given them any increases in HP or torque to any 63 motor? What kind of dyno numbers have you seen from this Black Series. Can you break down the HP increases for me. How much did the headers add, how much did the pulleys add, how much for the ECU, etc. What kind of mufflers did you run on this car? How much for the cage? Is that something you can ship me and I install myself or do I have to ship the car to California? I was ready to ship my car to Renntech in Florida but this car caught my eye. Any info ASAP would be appreciated

Finally, I am not very familar with evosport. What little I do know about them is that I thought they were BMW tuners. Do they engineer and manufacture there own stuff, or do they just resell Kleeman, Brabus and Renn stuff?

Everything you see for this car we have designed and engineered in-house. We have done the same for our entire line of C32 and 55 AMG Kompressor Performance Products as well. Feel free to review our website (www.evosport.com) or pick-up the phone and give us a call to chat: 888-520-9971. In fact, I'd say we design more performance parts for Mercedes-Benz than we do for BMW. And we have more to offer for the CLK63 BS than anyone else on the market.

:topic: But, I have gotten parts from Evosport and had great experiences. Renntech actually peeved me off last week, so I say boycott them and use Evosport. Nick

I was just checking out all the photos of the project car a little closer, why is the front end blurred out in all of the exterior profile shots? Are they developing a new top secret nose or bumper cover? Has the car already been crashed? Just caught my eye and made me a bit curious.

Earlier this evening I did speak with someone at evosport about sending my Black Series to them for similar work. He seemed friendly and knowledgable. I see that the person posting above me would recomend evosport, how about the rest of you, anyone else care to share their experiences with evosport with me? Any input would be appreciated. Quality and timing are my two biggest concerns. Do the deliver what they promise? Do they meet deadlines?


Thanks

The front end was blurred because we are developing a new carbon aero component for the front end that we are not ready to share with public eyes.

The folks at evosport are extremely knowledgeable and absolutely passionate about what they do. I've seen some pretty amazing and impressive stuff from them. My CLS55 has full evosport mods on it as did my E55 and M3 when I had them and I've been extremely happy with the quality of the products, their level of competency and customer service. I have a number of friends with 55's and M5/M6's that I referred to evosport and they've all been satisfied with the products as well. And I honestly looked at Kleemann and Renntech and the quality of products from evosport (the 55 pulley and cooling package for example) were so far superior to anything else out there...AND less expensive! Not to bad mouth anyone else as I have had no experience with Kleemann and limited (bad experience) with Renntech.

You can also do a search on the forum for more info as I can only share with you my personal experience. Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions as well. Best of luck!

The BS that Evosport is working on is mine. Obviously the car is not done, so I can not give you an exact answer to your quality and dead-line question. What I can tell you is, that I too was considering Renntech to work on my car. I decided to go with Evosport because I got a better feeling when talking with them. They had a very conservative approach, not over estimating or exagerating what kind of gains I could expect. I talked to Renntech 3-4 times on the phone and each time they quoted me a different HP figure and price. I can also tell you, that from the photos I have been receiving throughout the project the craftsmenship appears to be top notch, no corners have been cut. I get weekly phone calls from them with status reports.

As for your dead-line question. My car is the first BS that they have touched, I'm sure there is a lot of R&D and experimentation going on. When I initially sent them the car I told them I needed the car completed by the 1st week of February. However, I threw quite a few additional large projects at them once they got started (roll bar, wheels and a few other things). I then gave them another dead-line of the end of February, it appears they are on track (no pun intended) for a late February completion.


If you would like to send me a private message with your number I would be happy to fill you in, in greater detail.

P.S. I hope it's not crashed...it looked fine when it left me LOL!

Awesome car. I still haven't seen a BS at the track up here in Washington... or on the road for that matter. How often do you track the V? I'm excited to see what the '09 V can do out on the track.

Ok, let's not start rumors now :) I wish I could show everyone the aero...it looks amazing! Hang tight!!

All I can say is...I wish I had more money!

Looks amazing--nicely done. :y

I don't track the V very often...it is a very unreliable car. I am on my 7th rear end and 3rd tranny. When it runs it's fast (11.60's not hooking up in the 1/4), In fact my brother blew the rear end at the drag strip in the burnout box lining up against me in my BS back in September. I have taken it to a few road courses, it loves to stretch it's legs at Road America in Wisconsin, thats a HP track if there ever was one. I can run about 1.5 seconds a lap faster in my V than in my M3 at Road America but that is at the razors edge and it feels out of control at times, it will carry 22-25mph more than the M3 on the front straight and back straights...but then you have to stop it. The laps in the M3 feel effortless. On tighter courses the M3 is as fast or faster. I run the stock brakes with EBC pads, but get a lot of fade in just a couple laps. The brakes are a real weak area on the V. Let's hope the 09 is more reliable with better brakes.

I still haven't seen a response to my previous inquiry. I prefer not to ship my car to California for a roll cage installation and would really like to know the difficulty level of the install and whether you can recommend anyone in the CT/NY area to do the install.

Dymag Update
 

Look what a little English birdie dropped off today:

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_01.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_02.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_03.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_04.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_05.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_06.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_07.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_08.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_09.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...S_dymag_10.jpg

19x10 Front, 17lbs
19x11 Rear, 17.5lbs
*No realize, the weight is all in the middle, so these perform like a much lighter wheel then even that :D

I know some people were concerned about the pics we posted earlier as they had a little yellow tint to the clear - well that was with the early production ones. These should match the car perfect!

thanks
Brad

Brad,

So in actuality these Dymags you posted pics off which doesn't have that "yellow" CF effect will be produced like that? The finish or clearcoat on it looks amazing as well. Are the prices on these posted on evo.com?

Thank you very much. The Dymag is truly a phenomenal wheel. They are light, but with the majority of the weight in the middle of the spinning wheel, there is very little rotating mass. I have heard a rumor that Dymag have been selected by MBZ/MC for the next generation SLR (to add to the list of cars they are already doing).

The yellow hue is gone. Ours were apparently an earlier one and the process has been much refined. They came out with the CF almost perfect to the car.

1-5/8 .095 4130 Chromolly. We can make it to any spec if something different is desired. Unwrapped we would make larger tube.

Thanks! I know you are going to be very happy!

Yea, the guy we use is a true artist for sure. The best thing is that he is quick and reasonable!

A little smaller actually. We use bigger and thicker for the roll cages in race cars, but we wanted a nice combo of weight and strength on this.

They attach via the factory anchor on the rear seat back location and you need to drill one hole on the floor.

Thanks!

419whp on a dynojet 248c
*I had put 422 before, but that was with smoothing turned up inadvertently. 419 is with smoothign at 0*

It is all coming. :p:

You are local - come by and say hi. If you are in OPA, I am in Cowan Heights - we are practically neighbors!

So are we! We are using this to develop all of our 63-line products. The software right now will cross over no problem already.

Thanks, compared to OE Porsche, that is high praise. I would be SCARED to use an aluminum roll bar. This is only 42lbs wrapped, I cannot imagine anything alum that would be strong enough would be much lighter.

We have someone working on Ceramic rotors for us as we speak! Middle of the year!

Thanks!

Yes, and that car (and 99% of the other cars of its age would not pass any modern racing series tech inspection! I have seen some crazy stuff from 10, 20, 30 year old race cars - most of it scares the crap out of me!

We certainly can send them out for non-local cars (that was the intention). I would estimate 12-16 hours depending on the tech's level of familiarity with the car (ie: pulling apart the interior)

I saw Simon (one of my partners) replied, so I will not belabor the point.

We do manufacture parts for and tune Mercedes as a profession, just like BMW. Although our racing is focused on BMW (due to the nature of the market), Mercedes is a major focus. We have extremely well trained engineers and techs (including one who was a lead US Brabus tech).

FYI, for those that do not know our BMW work, here is one thread on one car we recently built that is fun reading: TURBO e46 RACER

Thanks! :y We are certainly not perfect, but we are true enthusiasts who offer truly engineered and 100% US built (non-re badged) products!

The front is blurred to hide the prototype CF splitter.

We are a younger company and we certainly have some customers with missed expectations or time-lines in our past. No company is perfect and sometimes it is impossible to please anyone. However, we strive to do the best we can, and we try not to hide from issues, rather address them head on. The more honest and direct we can be, the better for everyone!

Our dealer page will be updated soon with more shops, for now you can look here or just call us. We can arrange a great installation shop for you!

These are the latest and greatest from Dymag. They are fairly expensive, but you are getting performance too. The rumor I heard was that in two instances (one Tony Kanan's EVO and one with an SLR) 30+ whp was seen on the dyno by adding these wheels. I would not claim that without seeing it for myself, but I also certainly believe it is possible as you are cutting so much rotating mass our of the car.

Thanks all!
Brad

Good stuff man - the above is nice to read after that 10 page debacle regarding EE.... ;)

About the Dymags - It's my understanding that the yellow hue in previous wheels was as a result of the heat treating process.
Are these new carbon barrels heat treated ???
Thanks Brad !

Yes, thanks. The Eisenmann issue is a tough one. I had heard rumors, but to hear that it is confirmed really sucks.

Yes, it was with the treatment, they have simply refined and updated that process and they are able to have an end product that looks like this!!!!

thanks
Brad

Wow....those are going to look amazing. And I can attest to the bolt on hp improvement with the Dymags. We saw a 37hp increase after putting them on one of our GT3 Cup cars. Reducing that rotating mass at the hub is key. The other benefit is greatly reduced braking distance allowing you to really carry lots of speed in and out of the turns.
This Black Series is going to be a F'ing beast on the track. I'd guess it'll turn laps in the 20's on the big track at Willow, possibly even teens if really pushed....

It just keeps getting better and better. Those wheels are insane! Are they available in a deeper lip offset? I know this is a Black Series thread, but are those wheels avaiable in a 19" fitment for a CLS 55? I'm rollin with a pair of one-off Fikse's, and I thought those were bada$$! Are Dymags custom built to order, or are they something I can get shipped in a few days? VERY INTERESTED FOR BOTH OF MY MB's!

Yes, these are the nicest ones we have done. With the offsets, we could achieve the set-back look so they were not so flat - the look in person is really insane. I have one across from me all day - cannot stop looking!

Very cool that you saw similar gains. We run them on a few of our cars (especially last year testing them on a bunch of different race cars) just have not dyno'ed with them. You can feel the difference on track, that is for sure.

Turn in, braking, acceleration - everywhere!

They do not offer a lip unfortunately. The design is only with the bolts on the front. They do have a split 5 spoke wheel to match with the 9 spoke though.

Split 5 spoke:
http://www.dymag.com/Update_Aug_2007...rbon%20mag.jpg

Here they are on one of our race cars:
http://www.dymag.com/Update_Aug_2007...MW_M3_Blue.jpg

They are VERY unique which is hard to do today in a quality wheel. And you are buying performance.

They are custom built to order in England. They take form 2 to 6 weeks depending on the size and options.

You can read more here: DYMAG SITE

Thanks
Brad

sorry, but what are these things on the wheel? :confused:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6...dymag06lx2.jpg

and how much these badass cost? :D

I would assume those are the bolt heads that secure the magnesium center/hub to the carbon fiber outer rim barrel. It looks like there is one at the base of every spoke.

correct!

Jim - so what do you think???? Do they exceed your expectations like they do mine!

How much loot are we talking about here? Even if we are talking about $12,000 ( I would assume that is a high guesstimate) for a set I would consider that a relative bargain. If what everyone is saying about HP gains are true, 30-40 HP, plus improved handling, braking and killer looks...thats a bargain in my opinion. Hell, I paid $8800 for a set of headers that only gave me 26 HP, thats $338 per HP. If the wheels cost $12k and you see gains of 35 HP that equates to $342 per HP, thats a near equal investment. Sign me up!

I was just on the Dymag website and I did not see a 19" x 11" fitment on their chart. Are you sure the wheels in the photo are 19"x 11"? Are you sure an 11" wide wheel is going to fit and clear everything?

Yep - that is the only way to think about justifying the cost. They would be less then the $12,000 number (but not by too much). But again, all things considered combined with them being ultra trick and an amazing conversation piece, if you can afford it, they ARE the ultimate.

The 11" is a NEW fitment. In fact, these are the first set in the world!

Pics on the car hopefully next week. We are going to try to go 285 front and 305 rear!

Thanks
brad

Brad,

The wheels look great, I am pleased to see they look "blacker" than expected. I'm looking forward to seeing and driving the finished product in a few weeks.

On a different note, what is the probabilty of getting a 230-250 mph speedo on that baby? Does anyone make one? I have a feeling this thing is going to be able to bury the oem 200 mph one that cam in the car, and Yes, before anyone asks I will top it out...and often! I will have a top speed run up on You Tube the day after I pick up the car, during my drive from LA to Vegas.

DO NOT PUT THAT ON YOUTUBE! I have seen legal ramifications! Or do it annon at least!

I will look into the speedo!

Agreed - host the vid somewhere else and have someone else post it online and make it totally annon as Brad sugested.
I'd also suggest not messing with the speedo and just get a seperate GPS speedo that can be removed whenever u want to keep that OEM look. Plus, GPS speedo will be spot on correct whereas most mechanical speedos will have quite a bit of correction at those speeds.
I for one would love to see this thing topped out......

Oh, don't worry I will not post it with names, faces or tags...I'm crazy, not stupid! You will get to see it topped out, it will be topped out somewhere between Barstow and Vegas for sure.

Who makes the best, most accurate GPS performance device that will show mph and 1/4 mile times?

I'd just go with a good handheld GPS unit from Garmin.

http://www.rei.com/OM/style/735615?c...3-000423bb4e79

There are good Marine GPS speedos, but they require install and most do not go over 180mph. The handheld unit will give you accuracy, flexability with usage (stick it in the glovebox when not in use), keep the OEM look of the car and is accurate to less than 3 meters (WAAS).

funny. Jim, I have one here that is brand new and unused. Was about to sell it.

This is the one here: Garmin 60CSX

Want me to put it aside for you?

Thanks
brad

How much does the 19x8.5 and 19x11 weigh in the split 5? How long do those sizes and style take to get shipped to you? Can they do the face/center of the wheel in CF as well even if it is just a wrap?

Very nice.:)

Hurry up and get that thing done already, I want to see some Dyno sheets before I decide if I am shipping mine east or west. I'm leaning west at this point, keep up the great work!

Evosport, can you post some more pix of the project car with the sun and maybe a few palm trees in the backround? Maybe you can wheel it over to the beach or something. It's -2 degrees here and we have about 20 inches of snow on the ground. :y

Congrats to evosport, that rollbar is absolutely amazing. The BS is an amazing car, hope I get a chance to drive on sometime. Dymag claims that the reduction in weight on the wheels is equal to removing ~4x the static weight from the car. How much do the stock wheels weigh? Its like saving 80 plus pounds, and the accel. should feel amazing!

Are you planning on any throttle body/fuel injector upgrades or mods on the project Black Series? What is available or soon to be available? I would think with the ECU upgrade along with removal of the pre-filter system that would be the next logical change, or am I incorrect in that thinking, if so forgive me, the 63 is very unfamiliar territory for me.

You're not the guy that fried his piston rings because he took the BS up to 140 before it was broken in? If so, I sat in your car at MB of Naperville and watched them do a few things with it. ;)

Well, if you sat in a silver BS at M-B of Naperville it was probably mine, I own the only one they received. I had it at the dealership to get a Lojack installed about a month after I took delivery of it. As for the rumors about me blowing it up...that is false. I heard those rumors, don't know how they started. I believe they may have started when my brother blew the rear-end on my CTS-V at the starting line at Route 66 raceway while drag racing me in my BS. My sales guy is the one who told me about the rumor. As for the 140mph before it was broken in, it was more like 180, I took her up to top speed limiter several times with under 1000 miles on it. I may be stupid, but I don't really believe in breaking in an engine for more than a couple hundred miles. I have owned dozens of cars and motorcycles and never followed the manufacturers " break-in schedule" and never had a problem with any engine failures.

X-pipe pics. The car sounds MEAN. Vid posted soon!

Jim - get your but out here this weekend for the race and see it yourself! lol

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...bs_xpipe_1.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...bs_xpipe_2.jpg

We have the option of Metallic Cats and Hi-Flow resonators for anyone if they are requested, FYI.

Also, here is a pic of the spring change. Just a little different rates to better suit this client.

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...bs_springs.jpg

Much more coming soon!

Thanks!
Brad

What did the car run at the drag strip?

Was the Black Series run on a road course before you sent it out for the mods?

Schiz

Brad, the exhaust looks great! I'm trying to convince my brother to drive my motorhome from from Daytona to California and then on to the race in Vegas...he's not thrilled with the idea, we'll know later on today.

It looks like the cops are going to love the way that thing sounds, I'm going to have to idle it around LA....not!

12.26 @116 mph, and yes, I ran it on the long and intermediate loop at the Autobahn track in Illinois.

First thing this spring, when we thaw out, is to go back and see how much my 1/4 mile and lap times improved with the mods. I will be sure to post the gains.

Well, it must not have been yours. This one was blowing blue & black smoke out the rear. It idled fine, but once they gave it gas, it was a different story.

I think I have a video on my phone...

EDIT - Nope just a picture...

http://www.letmotorsports.com/clk63.jpg

Nope, was not mine, no blue smoke. They only blue smoke mine makes is when it's roasting it's tires! How long ago did you take that pic? I checked with my sales guy today and he checked with the service manager and AMG tech, they said they have not had any other BS in there for service besides mine and like I said earlier the only reason mine was in there service department was to get a Lojack installed. I didn't even get my 1500 mile service done at Naperville, I had it done out in California.....Interesting

I can't remember when I took that pic. I know it was still warm outside.

I'll talk with my guy up there and see if we can't out more info!

Here is a teaser vid with the exhaust:

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s/P1020059.JPG
8MB video - FYI.

This is with the long tube headers, x-pipe, no cats and OE mufflers.

thanks
brad

That's a teaser alright! Picture quality was great but the sound quality was a bit muffled, but still sounded awesome. I can't wait to hear what kind of gains you've achieved with that setup. Will you have numbers anytime soon?

here is a much smaller version (the sound is the same, but the video quality is poor to keep it small):

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s/P1020059.JPG

Thanks
Brad

She doesn't want to hook up does she? I'm going to go broke paying for tires!

Teaser Video...
 

I don't know... maybe it's just me, but...

I can't tell if it sounds any different by the video.
I can't tell if it's any faster by the video.
I don't see the new Dymags either.

It's a premature emasculation...:naughty:

Brad - Thx man. Sounds about like I thought it would. Really opened it up so much so that you can really hear the motor now - I dig it, alot.
Question though....how do you avert CEL and other associated probs with no cats ? Are you just looping 02 sensors?
Any plans to stake the stock cans and rework the insides or just remove baffeling ?
Thx -

This thread just made me start sweating.

This is incredible stuff. You should go 315 in the rear 285 in front 305 is ok but you can easily get a 315 on an 11 inch rim, may as well go ballz to the wall, car will plant real nicely. i have a 305 cup on my 10" and its fine but if I had an 11" my goodness a 315 4 sure.

The roll cage is amazing , the wheels are a dream, the car is going to really move out with the weight reduction.

Did you guys weigh the car? what will the weight savings be or did the addition of the roll cage and headers etc mitigate the gains of the wheel's?

Jim, I will be more than happy to escort you around Hollywood if you wanna come down. I will check and see if anything is open so we can run FEB 27?

Great JOB EVOSPORT!!!!

Nope. :D

If you cannot hear any difference, you need better speakers on your PC! :naughty:

I think anyone near Huntington Beach yesterday HEARD the difference!

Oh yea, we are adding resonators now to deal with the little off throttle rasp. You can HEAR the motor for sure. It sounds really amazing. If anyone has been to an F1 race, it now sounds like the MBZ safety cars now! So cool!

CEL - good engineering and a good software partner! :y

Stock mufflers - we could, but I think everything would be better served with a different muffler. Even the OE tips could be re-used. We will see once the resonators get on.

Thanks for the nice words.

There is no way to lower the car to a proper ride height and fit those tire sizes in a DOT-R tire (remember for those not used to DOT-R, DOT-R tires are wider the standard street tires. So a 305 DOT-R will really be about the same as a standard 315).

We did a lot of test fitting and with the clearances that we have there is not going to be any way to go 285 front and 315 rear. At stock ride height yes, but there is much to be gained in handling by dropping the roll center, and that is a bigger gain then a bit more tire.

Thanks again for the great praise!

thanks
brad

Juicee63; I may take you up on that offer. I am coming out there with one of my best friends, we are going to party it up Hollywood style for a couple nights before driving to Vegas. We have a very good friend that is Director of Legal Affairs for Playboy, so he usually has some insane hook-ups.

As for the tires, I don't think 315's will fit. Evosport and an I believe engineer or rep from Dymag took all kinds of measurments on the car trying to maximize my contact patch and 305 was the largest they said I could go. Keep in mind they lowered the ride height adjustment and we are running much shorter springs than stock, I think I am rolling at least a inch lower than stock. This car will be driven and driven hard, I can't afford to have ANY tire clearence issues. I do believe they are trying to go 285 up front, it's going to be close, have not heard a verdict on that yet.

I guess Brad answered those same question while I was typing my last post.

I will PM you so you can call maybe we can grab a drink !

Man I am so Jealous, sure would be awesome if the 1000 hp SL and the 750 hp SL were done around the same time, :p:

I see about the tires, 305 will be plenty , cannot wait to see this, I may just take a cruise down and make sure its ok, LOL

I'm over here in torrance and i heard it. LOL Now post some Real vids and forget the teaser stuff. :D

Some updates.

Exhaust:
- We did add our high performance resonators, the rasp and harshness is gone. it sounds amazing!

Dyno:
- We have finished the first night/round of tuning. Pretty happy with the results so far! +56 RWHP and +47 RWT for the header, exhaust and software (of course done with our tuning partner Powerchip)!
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...k_v_header.jpg

Here is a quick vid on the rollers:
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s/MOV09766.jpg

Aero:
We have completed the front and the rear bits (with big thanks to our aero partner Vorsteiner who came through once again by accomplishing the impossible with far less time then reasonable):

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s_frlip_02.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s_frlip_04.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s_frlip_07.jpg
* You can click on the images for more pics *

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...rearlip_04.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...rearlip_07.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...rearlip_12.jpg
http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...rearlip_13.jpg
* You can click on the images for more pics *

The Carbon weave on the front and rear matches OE almost perfect. These are pre-clear coat, which is happening now. It is really hard to see the CF on the rear due to the lighting, but it is full CF.

More to come........

Thanks
Brad

Very impressive results and nice front lip. I think the rear is a bit much however-

YIKES !!!! That sound is pretty sick man. Love the front air dam, but I also feel the rear tail is a bit much but looks trick nonetheless. Brad, wat is the lead time on that front air dam and headers ? I think I might next in line !!!

I think your math (or typing) is faulty on the horsepower increase. It looks to be a 56 RWHP increase, not 66.

fixed. :D

Believe me, I'm not a fan of big wings. Aero was one of the first discussions I had with the guys at Evosport, and I told them I absolutely hate big wings, but this car needs downforce. Why do you think they put that big wing on the DTM car? The stock lip is a joke! This was done 100% for function. I'm no aero engineer, but I don't think I could do one without the other (front vs back). I had the choice of the Europe only M-B OEM (DTM style) wing or this one. In my opinion this is far more attractive and unique, while still maintaining a close to factory look, so I went this route. Besides, I actually like it now that I see it and it turned out better than expected.

I totally agree, and the DTM wing would be a bit much for the street. But, how was this Evosport wing developed ?? Was a windtunnel used to see exactly how it will react at speed or did you guys just make it bigger than the factory wing ??

lol - no windtunnel used. But, realize we run one of the most successful BMW racing programs around. We have extensive real world and track testing with many different aero mods.

That aside, it is pretty simple. Bigger lip, bigger splitter = more downforce. We will not now the aero balance till it is on track, and that will vary depending on each track.

Net/net - this is a functional and stylish update. :D

thanks
Brad

Agreed...however, this says alot
Point I'm making is that AMG has a pretty successful racing program, too. So much so that they know exactly how the smallest aero change will affect the car at any given speed....Saying bigger lip, bigger splitter=more downforce is true, yet hardly technical. Don't get me wrong, I think the car looks stunning....just saying that there are alot of unknowns with the changes that have been made aerodynamically and this car is going to be quite a handfull with the FIXED (read not adjustable) aero you guys have added. The one thing I love about the Black Series is how neutral the handling is. With the aero changes you have made, well, you really won't know how the handling has changed until it actually happens....in other words, the changes have yet to be proven in the real world as AMG did when they developed the car.

Lastly, to really get this thing dialed in it's going to require a professional driver on a closed course and plenty of trackside support, lots of datalogging, spring changes, alignment changes, swaybars, compression and rebound damping adjustments, etc...

More pictures of the Aero Package. The carbon is exact same weave as the factory carbon. And the pictures really don't do these items justice. We are very excited and happy with the results and Vorsteiner did an amazing job with these items...

http://www.vorsteiner.com/press/b.jpg

http://www.vorsteiner.com/press/b1.jpg

http://www.vorsteiner.com/press/b2.jpg

http://www.vorsteiner.com/press/b3.jpg

http://www.vorsteiner.com/press/b4.jpg

http://www.vorsteiner.com/press/b5.jpg

http://www.vorsteiner.com/press/b6.jpg

http://www.vorsteiner.com/press/b7.jpg

rear wing isn't to bad looking, looks better than stock. and since this car will be tracked it is totally necessary(sp?) any way great job evo sport!! this car rocks and i wish I had a chance to put it to the test on the track!!:bow:

HUH ???? Are you telling me the NJ dept of motor vehicles has diagonstic equipment and the associated techs with enough knowledge to see if your stock ECU has been retuned ??? I find that very hard to believe. Most likely what they are doing is looking at OBD II data for emissions and any related codes being thrown...

sounds insane

I very much doubt that. The fuel curves and timing are modified but that would be undetectable by any equipment they have. It is still the stock ECU. They would need to have reference fuel curves and compare which there is no way the will do.

no way than can tell. BUT! they will sure notice the exhaust issues!!!!!:rolf:

One other thing....as low as this car is going to be....and it's pretty damn low in stock form. Jcart has said it will be driven on the road mostly, that front splitter is going to get beat up badly without some sort of heavy duty ABS protector under it similar to whats available on the F430.

That sounds more like the flash counter. Each time the ECU is flashed, it registers 1, 2, 3 and so on. I can't see how they would, or beter yet COULD, flag a car for that....anyway, we're getting off topic so lets leave it at that...

I guess we have it good here in Illinois, a vehicle has to be 4 years old before it is even put in the "lottery" to be emissions tested. Once in the "lottery" you just wait to be picked, considering that they only pick about 10-12% of the cars eligible for testing you have a 90% that you will not be picked. That is why I choose to eliminate my cats completely. I'm 36 years old and have owned dozens of cars over the years and only had one get emissions tested. Want to hear the best part? The car, my 95 M3 has no cats, it looks like It has cats, I just hollowed it out and ran a straight exhaust tube right through it. Passed with flying colors.This was a few years ago, before they started doing the OBD (on board diagnostic) testing, all they did was a visual inspection, the gas cap check and hook the hose up to the tail pipes. So I'm safe for at least 4 years, I'll address the emissions issue if and when it happens.

I think OHIO also has little to no emission checking.

I already have a shop at home here in Chicago that is going to make me a skid plate. I have had them made for some of my other cars. I don't think Ferrari would use ABS, but then again maybe they would, ABS is not a very dense plastic. Usually they use Delrin, a nylon based material developed by DuPont, or Tegris, which is a polypropolene based material. Both materials are very dense, low friction and very resistant to heat. Tegris is newer, lighter and available in a dark graphite color which should help make it look as if it is not on the car. I am also considering a strip of the 3M clear protective film on the forward facing part of the splitter, I think it is going to take the most abuse from small rocks, dust and road debris.

It won't stay mint forever...wreck it buy a new one!

Hell yeah....Be careful with the clear bra on clearcoated carbon. The guy who does all my cars is the best in town. The entire nose of my car is covered in it...all the way to the windshield...every square inch, except for the carbon air extractors. My guy said there was a risk that if he did them and I ever had to take it off it might pull the clearcoat off. And, as it turns out....my car doesn't have a single chip on the front end bumper etc....but you can see a few on the carbon air extractors. Really glad I had it installed the second day I got it.
Your car is gonna be sick bro.
If you are gonna take it to willow, I might be able to make it and we can do some side by side comparisions and I might be able to get our Daytona Prototype driver/team owner, Gene Sigal, to come out and drive both cars. That way we'd have a very accurate comparison.

I would think you would rather take the low risk of someday removing the clear bra and possibly pulling the clearcoat off the carbon fiber than having rock chips all over the carbon fiber which is not repairable.

i know...:crazy:
They are easily replacable and if I were to sell the car I'd take it off.... I get MB parts @ cost. :)

So are these the final figures, 56 hp gain? If I am reading this correctly, this was for the headers, exhaust and ecu only. What about the pulleys? In our phone conversation you told me you had developed a pulley that should add significant gains. Was this done with prefilters and stock airfilters in place? I assume since you made no mention of an intake modification or after market filters they are stock. Have you run it on the dyno with the CF wheels? Any significant gains with the wheels? It is in impressive gain, but I was expecting to see more, especially with the cat delete. I spoke with Renntech this moring and they have sharpened their pencil and were able to squeez 30 HP out of their Black with shorties and ecu and did not touch anything else.

one more thing, the CF aero mods look great.

Yes, it's a perfect slip fit over the stock lower bumper.

Not that I am a design expert, but I thought it might look better if the upper part of the front spoiler which covers the stock lip was painted the body color with only the new extended lip portion being carbon fiber. Any photoshop experts here?

Simon, are you guys building the headers in house or is Burns Stainless helping you out? Header design should work very nicely. What will you be doing for a cross-over, an X-pipe design?

Everything is done in-house in our fabrication facility. Even fabricating the x-pipe. In case you haven't seen the pics of the x-pipe setup...

http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/x-pipe.jpg

Although Burns does outstanding work, we have the technical and engineering ability in house to build these bits to fit the cars specifically (dimensionally and flow-wise), so we do it here. It is certainly more expensive to do it this way, but it is the only way to make sure the quality and end-product are what we want them to be.

man those r some puuuuudy welds....

The ferrari ones that we have installed have always been delrin.

Final figures, no. This was from the first round of dyno-tuning.

Also, it is 56 WHEEL, which = 65 HP. This was header, exhaust and software. Pulley and airbox mods will be additional HP. The airbox mods have been completed and the production pulley kit was delayed (this car is leaving tomorrow, so the pulley will be added in Chicago).

We have done a pretty good amount of testing on air-box mods (including multiple filters). The modifications that were done are not in this dyno but are on the car. I am not going to list publicly the mods done as I am not willing to give our competition the recipe.

It has not been on the dyno with the Dymags or the airbox mods. We are just out of time, and I am not sure it will be on the dyno again. We are going to try to make one final pass tomorrow night, but the car might be gone already.

The software tuning was also not completed, and since this dyno road testing has refined the program.

As for the other tuner, well 30 hp v 65 hp - I think that speaks for itself. We pride ourselves on maximizing every angle of performance, not just taking the easy road.

As for a shorty header, I am very interested to see if it is a header or a log manifold. I see no way that a true header can be made in that space. If someone has figured it out, I would love to see the design and would applaud them. It is still a lot less HP though (less then half). Remember the first HP is the easiest, each and every single one after that costs much more then the first. :D

Thanks!

Thanks! We are lucky to have great people!

OK - the BIG news.....

The car is 99% done. Teaser shots:

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s_teaser_1.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s_teaser_2.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s_teaser_3.jpg

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...s_teaser_4.jpg

Thanks
Brad

WOW that's cool...:eek: Now combine those wheels with the 360 Forged one and you'll have all carbon fiber wheels. :D

Thanks!

Damn that is LOW !!!
Yikes....
I would be very hesitant to drive it around LA in that condition.

Jcart - If you come up to LA, be very careful....the roads have gotten so bad I guarantee you will rip that front end off. First intersection that comes to mind is Wilshire and Comstock....it's like a friggin ditch in the middle of the road. Seriously man, be careful....

Thanks for the heads up. The speed bumps that are EVERYWHERE in Vegas are what concerns me.

THAT is just amazing looking, I honestly can say I am IMPRESSED, DUDE YOUR CAR IS SICKER THAN SIK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bow::b ow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::b ow::bow::bow:

What time are you coming in, I will be down that way from 10-12p maybe we can meet up:y

You still down to run at the track?

Thanks, I really like the way it turned out...can't wait to drive it! I sent you a PM.

I wasn't a big fan of the dymags looks, but seeing them on the car has changed my mind. They really finish off the car and look great. And they seem to tie in the bigger carbon front and rear spoilers. A very aggressive yet subtle look.:y

Thank you for clarifying

Brad,

I think you'll need to stock some spare front spoilers.

The wheels look great on a side profile view.

Where are the photos of the new rotors...?

I'll post up photos of what I'm doing to enhance a second set of stock wheels for street use when I'm finished.

"Once you drive a black, you'll never go back"...:bow:

The rear rotor is not complete. We just had too many new products being made, and the machining is not done. 2-weeks.

Yea, the profile of this offset on the wheels is amazing.

Lets see those wheels! Black with Time Attack stripe?

thanks
Brad

WOW! the wheels made the car look absolutely insane! I love it!

Thanks! As you know there is something very unique and special about CF wheels! Sure makes people look.

I am sure you have some great options for this car that would make it look special too.

thanks
Brad

best project ever! :y

And now..... final dyno numbers as delivered:

http://www.evosport.com/public/custo...bs_comparo.jpg

There is more to be had on the top end, but we ran out of time. The next one we will get some more!!!!!!

Our goal was 500 and we made it!

I also heard something about a near 200 mph run happening today...... :D

Here is the car hitting 200 on the dyno - YOUTUBE LINK 1 and YOUTUBE LINK 2

Thanks for all that followed this build!

Brad

Very cool. Congrats on making 500 whp! :bow::bow::bow:

Was the 500 made with the CF wheels? How much of a gain do you think from the CF wheels on the dyno?

200mph is going to have to wait for another day, The car did 182 up a 8% grade at over 4000 ft elevation in the mountains between LA and Vegas. We also posted a 196 MPH run on flat ground in the outskirts of Las Vegas, but kept running up on traffic, but the car was still pulling. These speed were recorded and measured with a Garmin GPS device. I might also add that we had two 200 pound guys in the car plus 100 pounds of luggage. This is easily a 210 mph car. Stay tuned, we will are going way out in the desert tomorrow to try for a 200 plus run.

Awesome numbers, 500 whp! I would estimate this would put the car in the mid 11's trapping @ nearly 125 mph in the 1/4 mile? Planning to do any runs? I'm excited, looks like my goals can be achieved :)

All I can say is WOW and roughly how much for all of it.......

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200mph is going to have to wait for another day, The car did 182 up a 8% grade at over 4000 ft elevation in the mountains between LA and Vegas. We also posted a 196 MPH run on flat ground in the outskirts of Las Vegas, but kept running up on traffic, but the car was still pulling. These speed were recorded and measured with a Garmin GPS device. I might also add that we had two 200 pound guys in the car plus 100 pounds of luggage. This is easily a 210 mph car. Stay tuned, we will are going way out in the desert tomorrow to try for a 200 plus run.

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There will be plenty of other 200 mph + cars in Las Vegas this weekend...:rice:

NASCAR is running at the Las Vegas Speedway today and tomorrow...:zoom::bump:

Oh.... the magic of lightweight wheels.:y

Awesome job Brad!!!!

I have followed Evosports work ever since I was in the States early last year and came across your M5 in Modfied Luxury and Exotic...Man I thought that that was a car...

This is far far more impressive...

Best build I have seen in quite sometime...

Congratulations Evosport...!

Now how about a Stroker...

:)

Neat. Did I see a bit of flame on vid #2??

yup - i saw it too....must be runnin rich.

Awesome results man, very well done. That 200mph dyno run is pretty sick, but obviously hitting that speed was with no aerodynamic drag as the car is sitting still. Regardless, I'm sure it'll do 200 easy.
What tires are on it now ? MPS?

I believe that "rich" dyno run was before the airbox mods.

TODAY 206 MPH VERIFIED VIA GARMIN GPS, IT WAS STILL PULLING BUT AGAIN RAN UP ON TRAFFIC. sHE STILL HAD A BIT MOR IN HER, ONLY PULLING ABOUT 5100 RPM. WE HAVE POOR VIDEO FOOTAGE OF 206 MPH RUN. WE ARE GOING TO GO OUT EARLY SUNDAY MORNING FOR ANOTHER RUN AND BETTER QAULITY VIDEO

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I believe that "rich" dyno run was before the airbox mods.

TODAY 206 MPH VERIFIED VIA GARMIN GPS, IT WAS STILL PULLING BUT AGAIN RAN UP ON TRAFFIC. sHE STILL HAD A BIT MOR IN HER, ONLY PULLING ABOUT 5100 RPM. WE HAVE POOR VIDEO FOOTAGE OF 206 MPH RUN. WE ARE GOING TO GO OUT EARLY SUNDAY MORNING FOR ANOTHER RUN AND BETTER QAULITY VIDEO

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Jim,
Please be as careful as you can be for yourself and others on the road.
Just a bird or any animal hitting the car at those speeds could ruin the animal's and your day...:wtf:

Please use a good camera... and maybe someone at the same time videoing at the point your going by at 200+ mph... as that might be the "Money Shot".

Jim

You guys are nutty! I love it!

Glad you are enjoying the car!!!! :D

Now get to the track and watch that race.

Thanks
Brad

This car is complete hit, we are staying at the Palms in Vegas, the valet line is filled with Lambos, Porsches, Bentleys and other exotic machinery. The Valet manager said the car has had a crowd around it all day and night since we arrived on Friday. He said are not quite sure what it is, but they know it is something special.

The car is very fast, raced a F430 yesterday and it was not even close. We stopped to talk and he said that he could see my tires spinning as I pulled on him, he said I opened up 4 car lengths on him while breaking the tires loose from a 25mph roll-on.

Going to head to the NASCAR race now, probably going to be too much traffic to try any top speed runs.

Did you ever try your car on a track yet? It should easily be sub 11s now :D

Thanks guys for all the kind words!

Thanks Jim for letting us be a part of making your dream for this car come true!

To anyone that wants info, please email ME or SIMON and we can help you. I am sure that Jim will make himself available via Email, PM or phone for people seriously interest in and want to talk to him about these mods.

Thanks
brad

Well, 206 must be the top speed...I made another top speed run yesterday afternoon and all I could get was 206 again. It must be the increased downforce that is holding it back because it is still only indicating approximatly 5200-5300 RPM in top gear, which I found odd. Does that sound odd to anyone else? I would assume if it was hitting an aero limit it would still be able to pull redline or close to redline. It just hits a wall at about 190 and a bigger wall at 200 and then inches up very slowly from there. I held it open forever and it never climbed above 206. The ground was flat and there was little or no wind. I'm going to give it one more try once I get the car back home in Chicago, the city I live in is 600 ft above sea level vs. 2000 ft above in Las Vegas, I want to see if that will make any difference. I'll keep you all posted

That sounds about right considering the additional down force, hp, weight of the car and the tremendous amount of drag your dealing with from 190-200mph. It takes a LOT of hp to push a car from 190 to 200, and as you mentioned.....temp, humidity, altitude and wind all play a large role at those speeds. 206 is a solid number man, you're in GT2 territory....congrats !!!

Great run. I calculated that you had a loss of 75 hp at 2000 ft. Might be worth a few more mph at around sea level.

All of these calculations that some of you guys and Evosport have been giving me are way over my head, It's great that there are people like all of you to figure those kinds of things out. Your calculations are probably dead-on because we posted a 196mph tops speed on 15 in California just before the Nevada border. I just checked on-line and that stretch of 15 is at an elevation ranging from 2500-3300 ft above sea level. I'm going to give it another shot when I get the car home in Chicago.

I just wanted to hit 200 mph once and see what the top speed on her is just for conversation and bragging rights. We all know that top speed in really a meaningless figure. 60-120mph is a much more impressive and important number...to me anyway.

insane! definitely the BADDEST mothasucka on the road!

can anyone answer my question though?

how does wheels add hp? do you guys mean add as in free up hp?

Yes, we are freeing up hp from the engine to the rear wheels since the dyno measures hp at the rear wheels. Much like what pulleys or a carbon driveshaft would do. The energy that would otherwise be used to turn or spin an object with rotational mass is freed up and translated as power to the ground.

the 206MPH limit might be a hard limit in the software from MB.

Either way 206MPH is fast and the car looks amazing, simply amazing. Well done to Evosport and all involved in this project. :y

206 in a street legal road car??:eek::bow: how did the car feel at that speed?

The factory had the cars max speed limit set at 186mph, Evosport and Powerchip eliminated the top speed limiter on the car.

The car felt very stable at that speed. What was even more impressive is how quite it was. My CTS-V can do 190mph, and I can tell you that 190mph in a CTS-V feels more like 250mph, so to say I was impressed would be an understatement. At one point we were literally just cruising down 15 on our way to Vegas at 175mph, I was changing lanes and there were curves in the road and the car never got upset. The additional downforce is very noticable, I would have never been able to manuver the car like that comfortably with the stock aero and ride height. Before, it would get that A$$-end, light, swaying feeling and that would be exagerated by any imperfections or bumps in the road, small bumps at nearly 200mph can become small jumps. Now it just goes wherever it is pointed.


I can honestly reccomend to any BS owners out there on a budget that is planning to track their car, even occasionally, purchase the springs and the aero package Evosport developed. There is more than enough HP from the factory to have fun with on a track, the aero package and springs will only allow you to use more of that HP and give you a more confident feeling. I know there were some skeptics as to how the aero package would affect the handling, but I can now say that it has made dramatic improvements. I wish some of you would have had a chance to drive it and see for yourself.

I will be home tomorrow night, I have some bad video footage, but I will still post it for you. I have a much better quality camera at home, but it's a pain to travel with, as soon as the weather breaks in Chicago I will post some high quality video of some more top speed runs.

I just wanted to put the gains Evosport and I achieved into perspective for everyone. The dyno sheet only tells part of the story. This past weekend a local guy from this forum (573WHPCLS) and fellow Black Series owner drove to my house to check out my car first hand, he is appearently talking with the guys at Evosport about having some similar work to his Black Series. The weather was decent and he asked if I wanted to race him to really gauge what real world gains I picked up. So we both jumped in our cars along with a freind of mine with a real fast SRT8 Charger and drove to an industrial park that everyone drag races at, it even has a start and finish line painted on the road.

We lined up and he got the jump on me, but by the time we hit the 1/8 mile I had opened up over 4 cars on him and by the time we hit the 1/4 it was over 10 lengths. We lined up again and it was pretty much the same thing, I could not hook up but still beat him by 10-12 lengths every time. We ran 5-6 times with similar outcomes. He had one of those G Tech Performance meters in his car and it stated that he was running 12.30's for the most part. Once I get the launch figured out and some drag slicks this thing is going to be a lethal weapon at the drag strip.

I figured my car would be faster than his, but it is a lot faster than I expected. As soon as the weather breaks here in Chicago and the drag strips open up I will post some official time slips, he was speculating as to what my times were based on his G Tech indicating that he was running 12.3's and me beating him by 12 lengths, but I am not one to speculate, so I will just wait for the official time slips...should be interesting to say the least.

geez i love your car

Not surprising.....the Black Series is made to put down quick lap times; not drag race...hence the issues with hooking up for launch. I cannot make my car stick in 1st at all under full throttle.

sounds like someone needs to call mickey thompson they make 17" and 18" DR's

The 206mph may be the result of a top speed limiter and not down force.

I know that Evosport & Powerchip removed the top speed govenor but several years ago one of the car mags had a modified AMG they were looking to hit top speed in. They removed the speedlimiter and took the car for a run. The car went past the stock 155 but was still limited. In the end they had to deal with 3-4 different methods that top speed was limited.

Not sure if that is the issue here or not.

Anyway 206mph is very cool.

206mph is very fast even for a car modified like jcart's and unlikely to be influenced by any kind of limitation other than drag. Think that cars like the F430 and 997TT are rated at 198mph. Wind resistance is an immense thing to overcome when approaching the double ton.

Aside from the super-exotics, I know that the M5 can hit 205mph in stock form as can the 65s. I believe gearing halts the Z06's charge at around 195 which is a same as that thing rocks the freeway up tot that point. I've heard delimited my 737lb/ft will help see the car hit 208mph but to be honest at 160 it felt a little floaty. The newer AMGs like the BS and CL63 have spent more time being tested by AMG at 160mph+. That can be told just from looking at the rear end of those two cars compared to the earlier AMG variants.

Way ahead of you, Evosport is sourcing me some special light weight 17's with DOT drag slicks for me. I wanted to go with Dymags but they have no 17" fitment. 17" is a tough fitment for the BS since the rear brakes are so large, but 17 is the best way to go as far as tire availabilty as well as a 17 will have more sidewall which is key when talking about drag slicks.

Man, I saw this and just had to register to post. I race a BMW M3 that evosport has built for me. My car was just recently there for extensive dyno and race prep and I've been spending a lot of time at the shop. This CLK was there at the same time, so I got to see most of its progress during the build. I was there when the car was first fired up after the new exhaust. I was there when it was being dyno'd, and there when the vids were shot on the street in front of the shop.

The car is SICK in person. And this from someone who's never been a big M-B person.

The pictures don't do a lot of the details justice, from the leather on the roll bar, to the front lip, the welds on the exhaust, to the amazing wheels....just SICK! That alongside a lot of the "normal" Black Series details....cool things like the diff cooler that has a pump to circulate diff fluid...pretty much race car stuff....

Congratulations to evosport and this car's owner! You guys really created a one-of-a-kind car!

:rolf:
there's nothing carbon fiber about the 360 forged wheels. It's like an "overlay"/sticker. Knock-offs. Dymags like the ones on this car are true carbon fiber rim with Magnesium centers

I LOVE the way this car looks with the dymags on it! :y

Cant wait to see what it does at the strip!

CLK 63 Black Series rear suspension
 

Hi, Great to see the 63 being modded BTW. Can you tell me how the Black Series rear suspension differs from the 209 CLK 55, which I use for road and track. Does it use the CLK DTM AMG set up or something different. Also does the DTM use a bespoke set up or is it off another model with modifications? I looked under a DTM in a showroom a few weeks ago, and the rear suspension looked quite different to my humble CLK.

Sick car... and nice mods.

Can't wait to see a modded one at the racetrack someday and see how it does against a 997 GT2...:y

Straightline, at least, should be close...

Me too :D

Very different than the 209 CLK55. The BS takes components off the DTM car. Much beefier suspension components to maintain chassis rigidity and stiffness, including larger rear lower control arms and trailing arms. In fact the entire rear subframe is reinforced. The car also has fully threaded and adjustable (height, compression, rebound) struts and shocks with external reservoir. There is a chassis brace in the rear that goes through the trunk compartment.

I just got done doing a 30 minute stint at Road America in my BS, I'm up here with a couple buddies with the Porsche club. I will first start off by saying this is a track I raced motorcycles at literally dozens of times and have had some of my other cars up here as well. I know this track like the back of my hand. After a couple warm up laps I settled in to a comfortable pace running 2:23's with really no effort and not pushing the car. Once I was very comfortable with that pace I picked it up in a couple of key areas. First is turn one, I really began to go in deep. the next area I began to push it was turn 5, this is a make or break turn, you have to go in deep, this is a 150mph down to 40 MPH left hander. Just by me hitting my marks and really pushing hard in these two section I was able to get down to the 2:20 range, even put one into the high 2:19's. For anyone that knows this track they will know that is a blistering fast pace for a street legal car. As for the people that were wonder what this car will do against GT2's and GT3's...imbaress them all. They don't stand a chance on the straights, a few of them are getting me on the brakes, so I just wait and then motor past them and am able to open up enough room that I never see them again. There are several GT2's and 3's up here and most of their drivers are standing around starring at my car right now and shaking their heads (honestly you should see them) Road America is a true HP track, 2:20's on a 4 mile track, you do the math. The only cars turning faster laps than me are a couple of GT2 prepped race cars and a fully race prepped M3. If the weather holds out I anticipate being able to take at least another second off my times. I am having some traction issues in the carousel section , she wants to come around on me, I am loosing a second plus in this section alone.

I'll keep you all posted.

Awesome! :y

Awesome!

FYI, we looked up some race times.

For World Challenge Touring Car 2006, fastest qualifying lap was 2.27 (Charles Esplanub)
For World Challenge GT 2006, fastest qualifying was 2:15 (Tommy Archer Viper)
For World Challenge GT, a 2:19 would put you 19th on the grid out of 33 cars (faster then almost half the field in factory backed PRO race cars).
For Ferrari Challenge, the TRACK RECORD is a 2:19.7 (again, this is a factory race car with the BEST of the BEST in the series driving)

Not a track car my ass, huh Jim! Well done! :naughty:

thanks
brad

awesome
 

it great to see the car being used to its full potential!

look, i LOVE the black series. now what i need is some video action. im really wondering what sort of time this car can pull on the 'ring... that would be intense...

I put a couple of pro drivers in the seat, I gave one of them a half hour to sort it out. I believe his name was Chris Lange or Lane, could not understand what he said, I think he was British or something. Anyway he improved on my times by a couple seconds, he posted a couple of very low 2:17's, he was only running 2:13's in his race Porsche race car...but 4 seconds is a lot of time at an average MPH of 110 plus. He says he could not believe they way it pulled and the fact that it was an automatic trans floored him. I could not get it out of the high 2:19 myself. I wasted a set of tires and I believe warped my brake rotors. Anyone who thinks this car is not a match for a Porsche is nuts, I never got passed by a road going car on the track. The only place the Porsche is superior is on the brakes. They could consitantly go a couple cars deeper, yet it seemed I could carry more speed through the corner and in some cases by the end of the turn they were slowing my down because of their lack of cornering speed. I'm sure a lot of this had to do with driver skill, but it was interesting seeing where each car was able to excel, mine in more place than not. On the straights none of them where a match for me. I was able to just drive around them, a few times I thought my friend was slowing to allow me to pass, but once we talked he said he was in it.

Your BS is heavily modded, isn't it fair to say a stock BS wouldn't do nearly as well?

I think a stock car would be a close match. However, the point is that MANY have said that HIS car will never be able to do the things that it is.

his CLK BS reminds me of the CLK DTM based on the w208. lots of horsepower with dtm styling and handling that cant be matched. However, the DTM cars weigh in the 2000's of lbs. but i digress, i cant believe how a road-legal car is establishing itself among racecars.

heavily modded?
 

doesn't seem so ... he certainly have some great mods on there but the basics are all the same. Suspension is stock ... just headers (exhauststuff) ecu tune etc. Pretty basic stuff.

The suspension is not stock, the car has a set of H & R Springs, the car is consideraly lower than a stock BS and the "stock" suspension is fully adjustable and pretty damn good for "stock". None of the settings are anywhere close to stock. The car also has steel brake lines all the way around and a few other things for dedicated track use. There was a lightly modded GT2 out there that was running times consistant to mine by the end of the day.

ah
 

springs ... I knew the suspension was already kick ass.

But my point was changing springs, brake pads, steel brake lines etc aren't major mods. Pretty basic "stuff". Meaning the CLKBS is able to get to to this level of performance without major modifications.



Any particular reason why "stuff" is in quotes???

Nobody ever said it was "establishing itself among racecars". The race cars were running 6 to 7 seconds a lap faster than me with me behind the wheel. 7 seconds at Road America is an eternity, you figure 7 seconds at an average lap speed of 108mph, hell it's probably over half the front straight. I am not sure what class the race cars where built to run in or what was done to the cars, all I do know is they had full roll cages, one seat and they were pretty stripped down and had no turbos or forced induction.

ok whatever, you know what i meant. your car kicks ass

The Black Series is on a MAJOR diet. All trunk lining and finishing materials have be removed. Ordering Sparco S LIGHT CF seats, removing all sound deadoning materials in cabin and looking for some lighter weight rotors for all 4 corners. I'm also having a local shop check into swapping out misc bolts and screws with Ti bolts...this can add up to a lot of weight. I saw people posting on here about the CF door panels, how much weight do these save? I want to get at 300 pounds off this thing from the way it is sitting currently. Lambo door hinges were removed.

Any other ideas as to where I can start stripping more weight? This is still a street going car, so I want to keep radio/nav a/c and stuff like that.

i'm not sure how "die-hard" you wanna get, but the 1st gen Z06 for the C5 vette, used thinner glass in the windshield to save weight i think around 20 lbs, titanium exhaust that saved 19 lbs, and different non-runflat tires trimed 23.4 lbs of the unsprung weight for the car, later in 2004 they used a CF hood to save 10 lbs. that's more than 70 lbs of dropped weight.

dry cell battery! that can save you like 15 lbs at least. also, while youre at it, remove the stereo system, im sure thats like 50-70 lbs at least with all the speakers wiring and the headunit, which i think has the amp built in... also i think you can find lighter calipers than what you have, im not sure how much yours weigh but i know there are some pretty light aftermarket ones out there that are high performance...

Keep the weight on, you'll need it when you change to lower compression pistions and add twin turbos.
Sorry, just thinking out loud!

That was T Kanaan's post on 6speed.

I don't think this is such a great idea personally. It won't be possible to strip away 300lbs without sacrificing essentials like AC, various electronics, interior trim, etc. It will never be a very lightweight car, if you want that, you should consider something like a 997 GT2.

I'm not really a Porsche guy, therefore would probably never buy one. I like the uniqueness of my MB, it turned more heads at the Porsche track day than any GT2 or 3 or Carrea GT that was out there...and it was faster. I just got sick of being beat on the brakes by a handful of them, that is the only reason I want to save weight, my BS has more than enough power to drive around a GT2 on a straight in it's current state of tune.

300 pounds should be a very realistic number, we weighed the crap we took out of the trunk alone and it was 41 pounds, the new seats weigh 13.5 pounds each opposed to over 50 each for the stockers, thats another 75 pounds saved, the battery I just bought is 19 pounds lighter than stock, That's a 135 pound reduction with just those 3 items alone. Sound deadoning materials can add up fast, I'll save at least another 50 pounds there I'm guessing. They tell me to expect at least 25 pound savings on misc Ti bolts, maybe more. The car is on a rack as we speak having the front brakes and suspension removed, the stock rotors are heavy, researching new rotors right now. We are also going to weigh the front suspension to see if that is worth changing.

Does anyone know if there is suspension availble with remote resevoirs that can be mounted under the hood for easier tunning rather than having to lift the car and get underneath?

hey jrcart,

what type of battery did you end up buying? im curious because i was considering doing the same upgrade...

dont forget to check the weight of the calipers and see if brembo or equivalent can offer you lighter calipers... youre doing well by changing out the rotors because they say that for each pound in rotational mass you remove its like taking 5lbs of static mass off the body of the car. we all know those dymags were already the lightest option for you. but youre still well on your way to the 300lb goal :y

I went with a Braille full Carbon Fiber Dry Cell. The weight of the battery is 11 pounds 4 onces. Pretty inexpensive as well, I only paid $190.00 for it.

One more thing the new 997 GT2 weighs 3200 pounds vs 3800 for my BS, between my wheels and the additional weight reduction diet I should able to get to within 200 pounds of the GT2.

plus your wheels are superior to the gt2 wheels. that central consolidation of the wheel mass makes your acceleration and braking alot better, not to mention handling. i also recall reading that if you use dymags you can tune your suspension a little bit more agressively because the carbon rims are a little forgiving, which means your handling could potentially be better than a car without the advantage of having technologically advanced wheels.

I'm still not able to out brake a GT2 or GT3, even with the Dymags. That is the one and only area they are clearly outperforming me. I hope by knocking off a few hundred more pounds and adding some new rotors (2 piece front and rear) I am able to gain a little ground on them in the braking department.

Jrcrat are your calipers and rotors stock as of now? i saw the VRP carbon setup but at 15K thats a little high. however i know that the stock AMG brakes i believe that are on your ride are crazy heavy.

and also after looking at pictures of your car you maybe able to remove some of that stuff of the back area!

Some of what stuff in the back area? Carpet and liner in rear, where the back seats would normally be? If that is what you are referring to, I don't wan to strip this thing down so it looks like a race car, I want to keep it's finshed appearence on the interior. I am removing any backing and padding on those panels but the panels will stay.

what about the stereo? or are you trying to retain all the original functions of the car and remove all dead weight?

I stated earlier in this post that this is still going to be used as a road going driver, I want to retain the radio, nav and A/C.

I don't know if the carpeting is different for the BS, but I think it would be the same. If you can find an alternate for the OEM carpeting, there is a ton of insulation on the underside of the floor carpeting. If you haven't pulled the front floor carpets out yet I think you would be suprised at how much foam is attached to the carpets. Possible weight savings there.

As for the door panels, you could try and track down some CLK DTM door panels as they are carbon fiber. Also removing the door liner isulation between the inner door panel and the door itself, as that is some thick insulation.

I also believe the doors have "insulation" pads that are stuck to the inside of the door skin, between the window regualtor and the door skin. They are usually about 5"x20" and could save you a couple of pounds. I think there are also some more of these pads that are on the front portion of the rear quarter panel.

Transmission tunel liner could save you some weight as well.

wow nice ride... you might want to have center face of the rims painted?

i was talking more about the stuff OLDSCHOOLRICE was talking about. as OEM carpeting is very thick and heavy. but if this is a road going car you may want to keep some of that there! have you looked into the carbon hood the DTM uses i dont know if yours is or not but that would be some good weight and it would also lower center of gravity a bit and remove some weight from the front. Furthermore i dont know how much more money you want to spend but i would look into get a carbon fiber roof made. i know there is a guy how is building a 500E into a race care and has had a lot of carbon made for it. replacing the roof with carbon fiber will also lower the weight of the car up top. just trowing ideas out there.

weigh it
 

Have you weighed the car recently on a 4 corner machine?

Find out where you need to trim the car before removing all that crap. Titanium exhaust, cf hood, Change out the glass ...

Titanium bolts ... man that stuff gets expensive ... can't believe how much one custom bolt costs!

Also if you remove too much of that insulation it won't be much of a road car.

WOW....:bow:

Wow...a track day at RA and no video?

Anyway...........Jim. Like we had discussed, your next change is obvious. Here's a link: http://www.pstds.com/critical_link_drive_shafts.htm

Modified Luxury & Exotics (July 2008). On newsstands now...get your copy today!

http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/c...63BS_Cover.jpg

> Click here for this issue PREVIEW

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That was a good write up on your car btw. :y

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
that is some syyyyyyyyck work and some ueber syyyyyyyyck welds!!! I can't even phathom what that cost...but it was well worth it. Sickest roll cage I've ever seen - custom leather (stitched) is just ridiculous! The headers :bow:... jesus H Christ. There aren't enough words in the dictionary to describe that car!

Just read the article which was definitely awsome. One correction in that article though, there were 350 CLK BS produced not 500 like that Simon said. ;)

I seem to remember 500 made with 350 shipped to USofA.

This car is awesome!!! I whant one...

hi to all , im new here , im an owner of one BS in europe, i see you made some mods to yours , please let me know what is worth buying for mine. i want to make it faster on the track also,

btw, some big brake system would be nice for this car.

Jaro-

Go here and download our CLK63 Black Series Product Offering Guide:
http://www.evosport.com/projects/mercedes/clk63black

With regards to big brakes, I think the car has plenty of brakes from the factory. We offer the following brake upgrades for the car that will mitigate much of the weaknesses for track and/or high performance driving:

- Compound rear (2-piece) rear disks; slotted and drilled (factory rear disk is one-piece)
- Stainless steel brake lines (front & rear)
- High performance street/track brake pads (front & rear)
- High performance brake fluid

here is something for you all. :) :)

http://www.classicdriver.de/de/find/...lCarID=1721571

Absolutely fantastic car. Already searching the news stands for an issue of the mag. As for weight loss, it will be difficult to shave any significant weight without losing some of the street comfort goodies such as a/c, etc. One thought is to experiment with different DOT race tires. Hoosier R6 DOT race compound tires seem to be the hot ticket these days. These may allow you to brake later and get on that massive 600 hp earlier. Not sure what size you are running, but you can check here:

http://www.hoosiertire.com/rrtire.htm

Most likely you may just need to track this car like a 3,400 lb Nextel cup car at a road course or Aussie Super V8 car, which are still pretty fast! Excellent job on this project. Highly impressed with Evosport as well.

i love it!!!

are you going to buy euro AMG seats?? those euro seats are sexxxxxxxxxx

I love the CLK63 BS, as a matter of fact, I plan on buying one within the week. I know its a great, fast well performing car, but it's not anywhere near embarassing my GT2, in ANY performance category. I'm not hating on the BS, I love your car, it made me want to get one, I'm doing the EVOsport package on it, with HREs and Pilot Sport Cups.

The CLK63 BS won't be pulling on my car in the straights

It ain't too shabby in the twisties and on the brakes either:naughty:

As I said, I'm not dissing, only stating facts.

Modded or not, my car is still a GT2:zoom:

But your GT2 in no where near stock either is it? How would the Black Series compare to a stock 996 GT2?

I really don't care. My car isn't stock, neither is his. Like I said, this is real world talk. My car looks stock, if we were on the track together and he planned on "walking away" from me on the straights, he would have a big surprise coming. All I'm saying is that he's not "walking away from" or "embarassing" all GT2s.

Oh, please accept my most gracious apology. Cars that look stock but are not are excused from my comments.

My question was how would a stock 996 GT2 compare to a stock CLK Black Series.

As for your real world talk..... With enough money, we can all build a car that will be quicker than another but look stock.

I prefer to see who is a better driver.

LOL 780 HP? I hope you are quicker. Very impressed with your 1/4 mile E/T...not too impressed with your lines in those first few corners on the road course though.

A 10.80 is very impressive, that is about a second quicker than I have been able to run mine (11.82 @118.3). What kind of tires were you running during that pass? That must be one very heavily modded GT2, I have raced several on road courses and I have been able to drive past ALL of them. With my slicks and about a months time I will be running high tens as well:) My car is in a constant state of change. Are you doing your Black Series exactly like mine with Evosport? Long Tube headers, cat delete or are you taking the more tame approach? Keep us posted.


....one more thing, a drag strip and a road course are two entirerly different worlds and a road course can be a great equalizer. I don't know you our your driving abilities, but I am confident of mine. Getting these two cars on a road course together would be lots of fun to say the least.

My car has trapped as high as 138mph. It is the off the shelf GT700 kit from Evolution Motorsports. I was on crappy BFG 18" drag radials at the time of that run, with a 1.89 60' time. The car has gone 10.60 with a 1.77 60'. My GT2 made 668RWHP & 673WHTQ. We weighed it and it came in at 3192 with no driver and the fuel light on.

I love the fact that you run your car on the roadcourse and dragstrip, you are a man after my own heart! That is one of the reasons that I like the BS so much, it's very versatile. It will be a great compliment to the GT2, that and my wife can drive it as well. She's scared to death of the GT2 with no traction or stability control. I'm probably doing the whole EVOsport package, except I'll be doing HRE wheels with Michelin Pilot sport cup tires.

As far as my personal driving skills, I have now been recently completed and been certified with the Masters Class of The Porsche Driving Experience at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham AL. I have also had a great deal of seat time with and private instruction from Porsche Factory race driver Hurley Haywood. I am now also an instructor for our local DE events. I would love to get on the track with you sometime, it sounds like you are very skilled as well. I'm sure we would have a blast!

Oh, I also have my NHRA license (for my fast car):D

You need Mickey Thompson E/T Street Radials. Here's what I did with them in an SL600 with tuning and exhaust:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...sjoe170/11.jpg

One word.... WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

nice write up. great car!

I had a set of 17" Forgeline wheels made and I have Mickey Thompson Street E/T/s mounted on them. to date my best pass is an 11.29. I'm hoping to get it down into the high 10's in a few weeks at MIR. I have added a few new goodies since my last trip to the strip as well as cut about 250 pounds off the car.

anything new lately

the new sl65 bs apparently does it in 11 flat. not bad for stock equipment, but then again it goes for 300k

Where did you hear 11 flat for the SL 65 BS? I have heard 11.60's from multiple sources.

it was either road&track or car&driver. the new ones for this month. i read both of them this weekend. and the article on the sl65 bs notes 11 seconds. the information was not tabulated, however, so the figure could have been rounded down via casual writing. it was the euro spec BS btw.

jrcart, i know you have the mickey t's when you go to the track. but how do you launch the car so well to get the low 60ft. times. so you think thats all b/c of the tires

On Mickey Thompson I am now putting down pretty consistant 1.66-1.69 60's and on Pirelli Corsas I can put down consistant 1.79-1.80 60's. I would like to think it is my great driving skill that enables me to do it, but the reality is that any one of us or our grandmothers could climb into one of these cars and put down consistant 60's. This is by far the easiest car I have ever launced at a drag strip. The real secret is finding the correct RPM to brake stall from. My car likes about 2350rpm with the MT"s and 2100rpm with the Corsa's. If you over rev it two things happen, you will either have power cut by the torque limiter or you will spin up the tires too much. I encounter both problems depending on tires. The Mickeys need more revs so I can slightly haze the tires leaving the box, this allows me to keep the revs pulling upward as my distance and mph increase. On the Corsas it's a different story, obviously they do not have the grip of the MT's so it is much easier to have them go up in smoke, I had to adjust down on the launch and where I just mash the peddle to the floor with the MT's the Corsa's require me to roll into the throttle. I get about the same amount of tire spin/haze with both methods/tires, but the slower rolling into the throttle with the Corsas results in a 60' that is .100 or so off the pace of the MT's. Obviously I have to fine tune my launch for differing conditions at different tracks, but you would be suprised how little the luanch tecnique actually varies from track to track. I assume the cars awesome balance, and LSD have a lot to do with this as well. I have yet to make suspension adjustments for a "Drag Racing" set-up, all of these times have been done on a very firm suspension set-up from a track day at Road America, I have not touched a setting on my suspension since June. I would assume if I raise, soften the supension as well as slow down the re-bound I could improve my 60' times even more.

thanks for the response jr. i should be getting mine in the next couple days and i cant wait.

another question i had was, do you have clearance issues with your splitter and the car being lowered?

There was a White (possibly silver) Evosport CLK Black Series driving down Ocean ave in Santa Monica a few months back, was that this vehicle?

I also saw a Evosport CLK BSs in Beverly hills that looked a bit different?

Evosport has done 4-5 Black Series (maybe more), mine was the first one, but it would have been more than a few months ago that you saw mine, they finished my car and I picked it up back in Late February 2008. I think mine is the only one with all the goodies, some guys opted for the aero package but no roll bar or no Dymags and vise versa. There are several version out there and they all look good.

Believe it ot not, it's not much worse than stock. Some driveway transitions are a pain in the butt and take very careful navigating. I have a problem occasionaly with certain speed bumps in parking lots, but for the most part I can take the car anywhere without much concern.

They sound awesome as well, i use to live in south orange county and there were a few SLR owners out there and i must say the evosport clk bs' i saw sounded better imo

The retail sticker on the stock CLK BS is around $135k if i remember correctly but some can be had for $80k $90k right now from what i have seen

How much does the full EvoSport treatment go for that you had done and how long was the turn around time?

Heh, i didn't realize that amg left the rear AC vents in the CLK BS even though they removed the rear seats . . .

http://www.evosport.com/upload/mbz/clk63bs/010.jpg

I spent about $40,000 on the original Evosport mods including the Dymag wheels and a new set of wider tires. I have since dumped a lot more money into it on new light weight seats and a crank pulley that they can also hook you up with, those two things will add an additional $9000 to the above mentioned $40,000. I would suggest contacting Brad or Simon at Evosport to get exact price quotes, I'm sure they have adjusted some of their prices over the past year, as you know the cost of everything has gone up it seems. Who knows, they might even be running specials or a sale and you might get it for less:nix: As for the lead-time, again I would contact them about 4 months to do mine, but keep in mind they had to fabricate everything for my car since it was the first one.

Yeah, around $40k is what i figured

I am not in a position to buy a BS just yet but i am looking into getting a 04/05 SL55 near the beginning of the year that i might want to have upgraded and from what i have seen renntech and evosport have the best kit in that area

Just a question on the headers.
Will they fit right hand drive vehicles? If not will they be available uncoated so they can be easily modified to fit?

I will have an answer to that question shortly. We just shipped 2 sets of headers to Australia and we're working with our dealer there to finalize the RHD changes, if any. So we will have headers for RHD shortly whether they just bolt on or whether we have to make slight changes to the design to make them fit.

These headers are not coated.

jrcart, nice to meet u guys at the track lastnight. The car looks absolutely sick! The night didnt work out too well for me. We had a little bit of carnage. So we had to call it an early night.

Nice to meet you too. To bad the back half of the track was not hooking up, my car was running well but a few close encounters with the wall made it a bit more exciting than I really needed. That track is almost dangerous, however the tech guys where the coolest tech guys on the planet, they told me they don't care if I run 9's LOL!

Ya some of the local guys were talking about that on Saturday. I wouldnt know though because I only ran one pass. and it was a 12.2 @72mph. LOL!

The track almost felt wet to me, must have been dew on the track out of the groove or something because it was just spinning the tires up something fierce down the track. My best pass of the night was only an 11.50 and that was N/A off the bottle, on the bottle I could only run 11.9-12.0 because of traction issues. It was not a good night, but I still had fun.

Just confirmed this morning from our Australia customer, the headers fit RHD vehicles no problem without modifications! :y

lets get those headers onto an sl63.... please...

Working on it as soon as we're done with the C63 headers.

If i do not bolt turbo chargers on it those headers are probably the next best thing.

how are the c63 headers come along?
have you guys started with the sl63 one?

The C63 headers are done. We are building them as we speak. ML63 headers are next due to demand. Then SL.

CLK BLACK SERIES
 

Hey I would like to ask a question regarding the pulley you have that you have done for your black series project. I am strongly considering doing my whole CLK up with evosport but was a little bit concerned about your pulley that I have had some bad experience with on my last car through using FAB DESIGN. I previously owned a SLK 55 FAB DESIGN that had an engine upgrade which consisted of a pulley system that brought my BHP up to 500 and torque was some where in the 600 range. Anyway to come to my point I had major problems with the pulley as the belt kept on shredding to pieces from being warn out after every 8-10 thousand clicks. Have you experienced any problems with your belts that you have put on your pulley. Back to the story I then found out that the alignment was slightly off and that is why the pulley kept on screwing up my belt all the time and then I would have to wait for weeks to get a new belt.
Can you Advise as I don’t want my car to be in the work shop all the time

Thanks for your help.

Also I would like to know if you have you "e" logo as a sticker or something to replace the mercedes logo for the back of the car................?

I would also Like to know with the full upgrade with the exhaust heders and air intake upgrade etc... you have said it will provide you with over 600BHP if Im not mistaken. How fast would the Black Series be then from 0-60Mph & 0-100Mph

Received your email as well. Sorry about your issues with the Fab Design pulley. I wasn't aware they made pulleys, or were they using someone else's?
In any case, all our pulleys for Mercedes are internally dampened and balanced. We have sold 100's of our 63 Power Pulley Systems and not a single failure due to out of balance pulley. The only 2 failures we have seen are a failure of the factory idler pulley, which can easily be replaced with an aftermarket unit. The bearings on factory idler and tensioner pulleys do go bad from time to time. Also, installation is important with pulleys, so make sure whomever installs the parts is capable.


Yes, we do.


600HP requires the carbon wheels which reduce enough unsprung weight to achieve about 25 rear wheel hp. We have not measured 0-60 times with the car. Going with a 305 rear R-compound tire will definitely help as you need as much traction as possible with that much power.

CLK Black Series
 

Thanx a lot simon I really appreciate your quick response and once I decide what exactly I want to soop up my car I'll definitely include the pulley system you are offering. Regarding the wheels I would change them however I have already painted the stock ones I have black with a red line surrounding the rim like the one you have in one of your black series projects so I probably won’t change the rims.
I think it would be very nice to change the embalm of the Mercedes to the "e" evosport embalm on the back of the car and as for your current evosport Black series that is 600+ horsepower I’m sure it does o-60Km in aprox 3.5 sec.
Both ways I really admire your work and look forward to doing up my car soon.
I’d like to ask you how effective and how necessary or not it would to be to replace the open differential with the quaife limited slip differential and what would be the power gains.

Thanx again

It's actually not an open diff. The car comes with a multi-plate locking differential with 30 percent locking effect in the overrun and 10 percent under traction. So you don't need the Quaife.

Are you referring to a stock CLK BS or the Evosport CLK BS?

Im refering to a Evosport BS

We have never done a head to head comparison, although I have run against several F430's both on the street and the track. The great part about the CLK BS is that its chassis makes for a competent track car, and more people compare it to a Porsche GT3, albeit it has the power of a GT2 so you get a very impressive package.

Very nice work, You guys have convinced me to finally toss in my keys for a Clk 63 Black Series. Coming from a 450 Rwhp Mazda Rx-7 (Fd3s) it was really hard to find a suitable performance replacement. This car definitely seems worthy as a track and street car.

Curious how are the paddles though, speed wise. I've always been a hardcore manual type :)

Congrats!

The trans shifts pretty fast. IMHO, it is the best auto/paddle shifter out there short of the Ferrari Scuderia.

can an evosport bs trap over 120mph in 1/4mile? off the bottle that is...

yes, i will have to go back and look, but we were faster than that off the bottle.

My car in it's current state of tune has trapped as high as 127mph off the bottle and it has trapped as high as 134mph on the bottle.

thanks, i knew you would pipe in with the exacts.

i want that rear deck lid spoiler like now. how much?!

Here you go:

http://www.evosport.com/product/prod...ST.EXT.M09.R01

thanks for the reply. a little bit on the north side of what i was thinking but i appreciate it anyways, i'll probably just wait until someone does the one off ebay spoiler lol. at least im honest?

There is a nice set of wheels (they look like the BBS LM wheels - they can be seen in the 5th and 6th picture (far in the back - the one to the very left left). What wheels are these? Are these BBS? If so, which model? Would these fit in the CLK Black Series?

Clk 63 black...just a couple of things

1...why would you post on this's
Thread
2. I believe Brad said these were for a bs so. Mags are by dynamos so wh do toy referenc bbs?

I think he is talking about a wheel in the background of a couple of the photos sitting on a display rack. My guess is they are for a Porcshe or BMW but they could be for anything. Evosport has a big wheels display in their lobby.

gotcha....sorry to the poster asking the question.

JR...what are you doing up so early?

That is a BBS Motorsport wheel. They can be ordered for any Mercedes (that one is for a wide body M3 BMW).

They are the same wheels that many professional race teams use (except we use forged alum centers for the street and the race cars get mag).

Thanks
Brad

Great! Thank you guys! Jrcart was correct! I was indeed referring to the wheel in the background. I'll give you a call one of these days to go over the specifics/measurements for those on the Black Series. Thanks.

JamE55 is right. I too have read Jeremy Clarkson's (tall guy from Top Gear) article from London's Sunday Times and Jeremy did indeed wrote (I am quoting Jeremy Clarkson) “of which only 300 were built”. On the same article, Jeremy closed by saying how he ended up putting his money where his pen was...and he bought one.

Greetings JRCart...which particular Braille battery model did you get? I was just curious, I looked up all their Carbon Fiber Dry Cell batteries, and these are the only models they have:

Braille Carbon Fiber Batteries:

B106C - 6.6 Pounds
B14115C - 11.5 Pounds
B2015C - 15 Pounds
B3121C - 21 Pounds

As you can see the only one that comes near to your 11 pounds is the model B14115C, which under their "applications" section, it says that this battery can only accomodate 4 and 6 cylinder car engines. The only one that can accomodate 8 cylinder car engines is the B3121C, which weighs 21 pounds. Is there a way you can look up the exact model you got? Also, the second question I've had is whether this Carbon Fiber battery is good for normal street applications or whether you use it only for track days. Kind regards, and I love the work you've done to your Black Series!!!!

...in continuation to my previous question regarding the exact model of the Braille Carbon Fiber battery, how much does the OEM battery weight? Have you had the chance to weight the original battery that was in your Black Series? Any substantial savings in weight? How many pounds?