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Old Jul 12, 2020 | 11:00 PM
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Anyone have any insight into how difficult it is to bring one of these over from Canada? I assumed it was rather tedious or expensive, or else I can save a large chunk of change on a GTR or jumping into a Perf.
Im originally from Vancouver - moved down here about 10 years ago. Thats a REALLY safe place to grab a used call - insurance and registration is single source so you can bank on vehicle history, plus weather is mild (like Seattle) so it wont have salt issues etc.

Its not expensive - a broker will charge a fee but save you a lot of hassle in form work etc - some sellers up there will have export licenses and know how to do it and have the inroads to make it nice and smooth. The issues are usually warranty - most manufactures prevent cross border traffic by voiding the warranty. Outside of that, it will be cluster replacement and perhaps some safety mods. There is a list of cars that can be imported and costs etc so its largely a known factor before you go through it.

The disparity between the dollar makes it something to consider for sure! I nearly fell over when he/she mentioned 118K CDN...

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Originally Posted by Orcbolg
Anyone have any insight into how difficult it is to bring one of these over from Canada? I assumed it was rather tedious or expensive, or else I can save a large chunk of change on a GTR or jumping into a Perf.
It’s a bit tedious, but not too bad. I’ve done it the other way, from the US to Canada. Under NAFTA, there is free trade between the countries. The best thing to do is to call US Customs and Border Protection and get the info required from them. On the Canadian side, you’ll have to tell them you’re from out of Province, so they only charge 5% GST. Don’t tell them you’re shipping to the US.

Warranty - it is valid, despite what some dealers will tell you. If you relocate from one country to the other or are travelling, the warranty is 100% valid in either country.

The main problem now is the border is closed. And it likely will be for a while. It’s open to commercial traffic, but it may be difficult convincing the agents it’s not personal.

You may also be able to find a company that will do it all for you.
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Old Jul 12, 2020 | 11:07 PM
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It’s a bit tedious, but not too bad. I’ve done it the other way, from the US to Canada. Under NAFTA, there is free trade between the countries. The best thing to do is to call US Customs and Border Protection and get the info required from them. On the Canadian side, you’ll have to tell them you’re from out of Province, so they only charge 5% GST. Don’t tell them you’re shipping to the US.

Warranty - it is valid, despite what some dealers will tell you. If you relocate from one country to the other or are travelling, the warranty is 100% valid in either country.

The main problem now is the border is closed. And it likely will be for a while. It’s open to commercial traffic, but it may be difficult convincing the agents it’s not personal.

You may also be able to find a company that will do it all for you.
Good callout on the warranty - what I hear in that statement is 1. buy the car and register as the new owner so your name pops up as the new owner. 2. THEN relocate the car to the US. makes sense if thats what youre saying!
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Old Jul 12, 2020 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Skilly
Good callout on the warranty - what I hear in that statement is 1. buy the car and register as the new owner so your name pops up as the new owner. 2. THEN relocate the car to the US. makes sense if thats what youre saying!
Right. Buy the car from Mercedes Toronto let’s say. Tell the salesperson you live in Montreal.
Call Mercedes USA and say that you live in Montreal and are being relocated by your firm to the US. Will the warranty be valid? It must be — but confirm for peace of mind.
Have the car shipped to the US. You’ll pay US tax and perhaps duty - not sure about that.
With digital dashboards there isn’t much to change, if anything.
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Old Jul 12, 2020 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Surge
Right. Buy the car from Mercedes Toronto let’s say. Tell the salesperson you live in Montreal.
Call Mercedes USA and say that you live in Montreal and are being relocated by your firm to the US. Will the warranty be valid? It must be — but confirm for peace of mind.
Have the car shipped to the US. You’ll pay US tax and perhaps duty - not sure about that.
With digital dashboards there isn’t much to change, if anything.
with cars exported that are US built (like the X5 for example) there is no import duty. Cars outside of NAFTA have a duty levied - if memory serves correctly its 2.5% + State taxes + safety inspections etc. There are also processing fees and you have to pay an import broker (necessary part of the chain).
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 05:51 AM
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The 118k was not a sale price

Originally Posted by Skilly
Im originally from Vancouver - moved down here about 10 years ago. Thats a REALLY safe place to grab a used call - insurance and registration is single source so you can bank on vehicle history, plus weather is mild (like Seattle) so it wont have salt issues etc.

Its not expensive - a broker will charge a fee but save you a lot of hassle in form work etc - some sellers up there will have export licenses and know how to do it and have the inroads to make it nice and smooth. The issues are usually warranty - most manufactures prevent cross border traffic by voiding the warranty. Outside of that, it will be cluster replacement and perhaps some safety mods. There is a list of cars that can be imported and costs etc so its largely a known factor before you go through it.

The disparity between the dollar makes it something to consider for sure! I nearly fell over when he/she mentioned 118K CDN...

that was the offer on trade. Greedy dealer likely would have put it up for sale somewhere around $159-160k.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 05:56 AM
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Not that easy

Originally Posted by Surge
Right. Buy the car from Mercedes Toronto let’s say. Tell the salesperson you live in Montreal.
Call Mercedes USA and say that you live in Montreal and are being relocated by your firm to the US. Will the warranty be valid? It must be — but confirm for peace of mind.
Have the car shipped to the US. You’ll pay US tax and perhaps duty - not sure about that.
With digital dashboards there isn’t much to change, if anything.
You’ve got to have ID that matches your address in the same province your buying. And as soon as your out of province the flags go up. However if it’s used then no one cares.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 09:15 AM
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that was the offer on trade. Greedy dealer likely would have put it up for sale somewhere around $159-160k.
$118k trade is an insult, especially on trade where there likely is some backend margin on the new car. I hate this about the car industry - playing with the numbers. I always tell my sales person, "explain this to me like I'm in 8th grade and break down each line". The worst are those sales that focus only on the "monthly payment" and hide the real numbers behind the math. Bad practice and makes me shoot out the door to another dealer.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DriveAMG
that was the offer on trade. Greedy dealer likely would have put it up for sale somewhere around $159-160k.
Funny that translates to 118K USD...and a 1 year old GTR at that price down here would be the cheapest in the country by about $15K USD
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DriveAMG
that was the offer on trade. Greedy dealer likely would have put it up for sale somewhere around $159-160k.
they did take one (2019 with less than 1000km) in and asked $183k now reduced to $179k. Btw, no cpo though, just remaining of warranty.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 02:36 PM
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Is it trade in amount or they want to buy it off you?
it was a trade offer. My car is very much in standard GT R form, blue, yellow stitching, yellow seat belt, black wheels. MRSP was $199.6k(with many dealer bs fees charged) before tax.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 07:13 PM
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 07:26 PM
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by py0413
they did take one (2019 with less than 1000km) in and asked $183k now reduced to $179k. Btw, no cpo though, just remaining of warranty.
Benz stores aren’t allowed to sell a used car that’s Benz unless it’s CPO...
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 07:31 PM
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Omvic rules are pretty straightforward

Originally Posted by big_willy
$118k trade is an insult, especially on trade where there likely is some backend margin on the new car. I hate this about the car industry - playing with the numbers. I always tell my sales person, "explain this to me like I'm in 8th grade and break down each line". The worst are those sales that focus only on the "monthly payment" and hide the real numbers behind the math. Bad practice and makes me shoot out the door to another dealer.
we aren’t allowed to bury anything on the trade side anymore. The trade value should reflect the actual value being given on trade. Some stores still play by the old game but most are on the up and up. That said I think total GP on these cars is/was about 7% last I checked but corporate has a nasty habit of reducing it when they see fit like they did in 2019 when it used to be 8%... there are always deals to be had on end of year inventory. Corporate usually throws big bucks at leftover AMG inventory...
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 07:48 PM
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Benz stores aren’t allowed to sell a used car that’s Benz unless it’s CPO...
that is not true. My friend bought a very well equipped 2018 GT R from Mercedes-Benz Vancouver (terminal ave store) in Oct. 2019, no CPO. In order to make the sales, dealer had to include 3rd party extended warranty for him. At time, they discovered Mercedes Canada did not offer manufacturer extend warranty for AMG GTC/R. Again that was October 2019, I don’t know if anything has changed now.
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 08:17 PM
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I’m only talking about MB Corporate stores

Originally Posted by py0413
that is not true. My friend bought a very well equipped 2018 GT R from Mercedes-Benz Vancouver (terminal ave store) in Oct. 2019, no CPO. In order to make the sales, dealer had to include 3rd party extended warranty for him. At time, they discovered Mercedes Canada did not offer manufacturer extend warranty for AMG GTC/R. Again that was October 2019, I don’t know if anything has changed now.
I’m not sure on anyone else
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these cars are so powerful as is. I’ve got the EVM, a set of Weistec filters and a sprint box and she’s dynamite! Had it on the scales for track alignment and weight distribution is 50/50. Bang for the buck is where it’s at. That and their dead sexy!!!

What is the "sprint box"

website link of the product?
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 04:34 AM
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Here you go

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What is the "sprint box"

website link of the product?
Thanks !
www.pedalbox.com
www.sprintbooster.com
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 06:31 AM
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Thanks!
the amg GTC is not listed though
I guess the regular "2018' amg gts/gtr" sprint booster module will work...

My gtc is 2020 though , what year is yours?

Also do you always leave the sprint booster set on "race" and level 9 and then simply adjust the knob on the center console with comfort/sport/sport+/race?

Thanks !

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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 10:18 PM
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Sorry can’t help with your settings

I’m still using the old style three button pedalbox I bought for my 17 GTS and used it on my 18 and now 19 GTC😎 For reference it doesn’t take much more than a few clicks to eliminate the lag. If memory serves I have 3 levels with 3 adjustable levels within each for basically 9 total levels. I have it on level 2 or 3 because anything higher than that makes the throttle twitchy.

I bet your ok with the GTS box. I used my same pedal box on my 16,18 and 19 E63s as well. If your in doubt reach out to the MFG and ask for compatibility

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I’m still using the old style three button pedalbox I bought for my 17 GTS and used it on my 18 and now 19 GTC😎 For reference it doesn’t take much more than a few clicks to eliminate the lag. If memory serves I have 3 levels with 3 adjustable levels within each for basically 9 total levels. I have it on level 2 or 3 because anything higher than that makes the throttle twitchy.

I bet your ok with the GTS box. I used my same pedal box on my 16,18 and 19 E63s as well. If your in doubt reach out to the MFG and ask for compatibility

Got it,
thanks!

so you are using the "pedal box " not the "sprint booster ", right ?
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Old Jul 20, 2020 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mbjj57
Got it,
thanks!

so you are using the "pedal box " not the "sprint booster ", right ?
Pedalbox

https://www.pedalbox.com/en/mercedes.../pedalbox.html



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Its a clever device - akin to a short shifter in a manual gearbox. It just boosts the VDC output of the electronic throttle position. Handy solution to lag, but twitchy because its amplified the throttle response so much in the higher settings that a touch of your pedal represents what a 1/2 a pedal would be in a stock setting.
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There’s no perceptible lag anyway, especially in Sport+ or Race.
Seems silly to mess with the throttle mapping, and adding a 3rd party box between the pedal and the engine could be dangerous as well. Good luck getting insurance or warranty to cover you in the event of a crash.
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