New S-Type Jag v's E-Class
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Dont forget that style on that jag is been on for a while. So they might change the look next year or the year next to that. Now the benz is in its first year for a total redesign, so you will stay fresh with the current design for a few years.
I would be pertty pist if i bought a jag, and then the next year it has a total redesign:p
I would be pertty pist if i bought a jag, and then the next year it has a total redesign:p
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no offense but S-Types are cheap, its screams out Ford when i see it. Jaguars are no longer the same ever since Ford took over... stick with the Benz, atleast its a quality built car, not a Ford with a Jaguar slapped on the Hood...
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I'm amazed that no one (but "whatup") has mentioned the *other* side of the value equation: resale.
Jaguars have horrendous value retention, while the E is near the top end of the entire car universe.
Be sure to figure that into your 'cost of ownership'.
If you get a subsidized lease, that's another issue, of course.
But the Ford connection has done nothing good for Jaguar resale.
Jaguars have horrendous value retention, while the E is near the top end of the entire car universe.
Be sure to figure that into your 'cost of ownership'.
If you get a subsidized lease, that's another issue, of course.
But the Ford connection has done nothing good for Jaguar resale.
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The pre-2003 Jaguar S-Type shared 40% of parts with the Lincoln LS, and I won't argue, it showed. The interior was terrible. But with the major revamp in 2003, 70% of the S-Type is new. The suspension system is all new, there's the new 6-speed auto, and the interior is completely redone (thank G-d). There's the Contour window switches, but nothing about the car screams Ford (or Lincoln for that matter). The DEW98 is a solid platform (S-Type, LS, and Thunderbird). So what if it's built off a shared platform? It's what differentiates the cars (the visible aspects, plus the way it drives) that makes all the difference.
If anything, I think the Ford connection has helped Jaguar. The company would have went the way of Triumph and the rest of the British motor industry. Now they at least have a multi-billion dollar company behind them (yes, I know Ford is not doing so well right now). Jaguars today are superior quality to what they used to be.
But in no way would I refute that the Mercedes-Benz E-Class is a superior car. My mom always wanted a Jag, so resale values, cost of ownership, and competitors were never a factor in the decision.
If anything, I think the Ford connection has helped Jaguar. The company would have went the way of Triumph and the rest of the British motor industry. Now they at least have a multi-billion dollar company behind them (yes, I know Ford is not doing so well right now). Jaguars today are superior quality to what they used to be.
But in no way would I refute that the Mercedes-Benz E-Class is a superior car. My mom always wanted a Jag, so resale values, cost of ownership, and competitors were never a factor in the decision.
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I'm reading Jaguar owners forum at http://www.jagtalk.com/ and can admit that Jaguar has a lot problems not only in quality, but in design too. I do not like new S-type interior redesign which just copies X-type interior. I test drove S-Type and it had gearbox fault, so I had to switch the car. However, I'm repeating that if you can't afford E, then S can be a good substitution. Actually, I'd recommend S type 4.2 over E320 priced similarly.
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Sorry guys I just opted for a S-Type 4.2 Sport. I haven't had the chance to cancel the E-Class yet, I hope they give me my deposit back! They should, shouldn't they?
I got a super deal I couldn't refuse on the Jag + I'm hoping to pick it up this weekend.
I guess there's no need for me to chat here anymore since I won’t be getting the E. I'm sure you don't won’t me raving on about a Jag.
This is definitely the best car forum around. I hope I can find a decent Jag S-Type one to share my experiences with.
Nice chatting with you all. Enjoy you cars whatever they may be.
I'll drop a line after while to let you all now if I had made a mistake or not!
Ciao!
I got a super deal I couldn't refuse on the Jag + I'm hoping to pick it up this weekend.
I guess there's no need for me to chat here anymore since I won’t be getting the E. I'm sure you don't won’t me raving on about a Jag.
This is definitely the best car forum around. I hope I can find a decent Jag S-Type one to share my experiences with.
Nice chatting with you all. Enjoy you cars whatever they may be.
I'll drop a line after while to let you all now if I had made a mistake or not!
Ciao!
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I can't tell you if the jag is a better car, I've never driven one. I've never been in any of the newer models. I have only seen the s-type in pictures. I know one thing though buddy, NO car what so ever is classier than MB. I know that from experience. I loved my E220 and I'm forsure gonna love my new E240 even more and they do set you apart when driving on the road. Regardless, I hope you enjoy your new vehicle.. I dont think you can't chat here if you own a jag.. You are interested in MB's - thats what it matters.. Good luck..
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I looked at the s type Jag as well. I thought it was a nice car, plus my father in law works for ford so I get a deep discount. It was still not enough to convince me to change from my e500. The jag is a nice car and best of luck with it. I am fairly confident that the dealer will return your deposit.
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Originally posted by SL55AMG
the S-Type R would smash the E500.. The S Type R has a 390 horsepower 4.2L V8 S/C engine
the S-Type R would smash the E500.. The S Type R has a 390 horsepower 4.2L V8 S/C engine
I believe that the S-Type R costs above $70K for the same price I could get an E55 adn smash the R
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s-type R price
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/opti...&restore=false
nobody can deny that s-type r is a great value
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/opti...&restore=false
nobody can deny that s-type r is a great value
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ok, but it doesnt have a lot of safety options, or anything, it is a car with just a 390 hp engine.....mb offers a lot, a lot of good safety options and the e55 will have over 100 hp, and much much more torque, even if it is 10 grand more, i think more ppl will opt for that
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i agree with u. ill take the e55 over s-type r any day. hell i'll take e500 over type r. but lets not forget that e55 will be more than $10000 more. more like 15K-20K. so a fully type-R with all the options for 60G'z is a great buy considering that it is kinda limited prod car.
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Hence my reason for buying the Jag. I like them both equally. If they cost the same I probably would have bought the Merc., because I am a huge fan. But compare this.
Jag 4.2 V8 Sport 0-100kmh 6.5 - AUD $120,000 on road
Merc E320 Avantgarde V6 0-100kmh 7.7 - AUD $130,000 on road
The 4.2 is even faster than the E500, and I wont even compare the prices with that because there would be enough change back to buy another car.
In couple of years time Australia will be reducing their import taxes a further %5 which should make the E a little more reasonably priced. I may decide to get one then. They always say there's teething problems with the first models...
Jag 4.2 V8 Sport 0-100kmh 6.5 - AUD $120,000 on road
Merc E320 Avantgarde V6 0-100kmh 7.7 - AUD $130,000 on road
The 4.2 is even faster than the E500, and I wont even compare the prices with that because there would be enough change back to buy another car.
In couple of years time Australia will be reducing their import taxes a further %5 which should make the E a little more reasonably priced. I may decide to get one then. They always say there's teething problems with the first models...
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lol, so you went with the jag, knowing that they did change a lot of the interior, made a bigger engine, and changed some things, not thinking that there will not be problems, and believe me, buying a e500 over a 4.2 is still worth it, and i think the mb is faster, also, you have to see what company used better quality parts, what has a better warranty, what has more options that can fir your style, what is up to date with all the working parts, and the list goes on and on, i am not saying you made a bad decision, the jag is a very nice looking car, but the fact that you were so close to getting a mb, you might of been more happy with it....there is also the teleaid for free which over here in the us costs i think 1300 dollars US for the jag assistance, it also has more airbags, much more safer, and the look will stay a lot longer, the jag i think will change in 2005, or 06
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Compare cost of ownership:
W211E55: projected cost ~$75,000
Jaguar S Type R: ~$58,500
3 year resale value:
E=$48,000
Jag=$23,500
3 year depreciation:
E=$27,000
J=$35,000
Cost of owning the E is $8,000 LESS!!!!
People seldom take this into account, it seems. A good reason to lease if you can get it subsidized by the corporation. If you can't, the Jaguar will BURN YOU!!!
W211E55: projected cost ~$75,000
Jaguar S Type R: ~$58,500
3 year resale value:
E=$48,000
Jag=$23,500
3 year depreciation:
E=$27,000
J=$35,000
Cost of owning the E is $8,000 LESS!!!!
People seldom take this into account, it seems. A good reason to lease if you can get it subsidized by the corporation. If you can't, the Jaguar will BURN YOU!!!
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lol, wow, well if your right, that makes sense, AND you get all the extra goodies, like the air suspension, i am not sure if it will be on there though, and of couse the long list of other things
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Originally posted by amg55
Compare cost of ownership:
W211E55: projected cost ~$75,000
Jaguar S Type R: ~$58,500
3 year resale value:
E=$48,000
Jag=$23,500
3 year depreciation:
E=$27,000
J=$35,000
Cost of owning the E is $8,000 LESS!!!!
People seldom take this into account, it seems. A good reason to lease if you can get it subsidized by the corporation. If you can't, the Jaguar will BURN YOU!!!
Compare cost of ownership:
W211E55: projected cost ~$75,000
Jaguar S Type R: ~$58,500
3 year resale value:
E=$48,000
Jag=$23,500
3 year depreciation:
E=$27,000
J=$35,000
Cost of owning the E is $8,000 LESS!!!!
People seldom take this into account, it seems. A good reason to lease if you can get it subsidized by the corporation. If you can't, the Jaguar will BURN YOU!!!
, Another great point about owning an MB. You deserve a beer bud 
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bmms,
We don't have teleaid in OZ and the warranty on the Jag is 100,000km/3yrs free servicing during that period.
Although the Jag requires a servicing every 15K, I believe the Merc. averages 23k.
Believe me, I did my homework. As I said, you get a lot more 'car' buying the Jag. Luxury cars in Australia, whether it is a Jag or Merc/BMW hold their value better than in the US. Simply because there isn't as many on the road. So although the Merc in 5 years will probaly be worth more, the Jag wont be far behind it. Remember I got a lot more to start with anyway.
And in 5 years time hopefully I'll be driviing something even better. Maybe a Merc....
We don't have teleaid in OZ and the warranty on the Jag is 100,000km/3yrs free servicing during that period.
Although the Jag requires a servicing every 15K, I believe the Merc. averages 23k.
Believe me, I did my homework. As I said, you get a lot more 'car' buying the Jag. Luxury cars in Australia, whether it is a Jag or Merc/BMW hold their value better than in the US. Simply because there isn't as many on the road. So although the Merc in 5 years will probaly be worth more, the Jag wont be far behind it. Remember I got a lot more to start with anyway.
And in 5 years time hopefully I'll be driviing something even better. Maybe a Merc....
