kajtek1

This video shows how normal maintenance message gets displayed and how NOT to fix the issue.

mishar

By diluting this discussion you are not doing any good to anybody.

hangit06

I think he was being helpful by showing the white message that is SUPPOSED to appear before the red message of brake failure is flashed. Some people have ignored the white.

Also, resetting the internal counter is relighting a bomb's fuse in my opinion.

John

mishar

White warning does not appear before the red message, so no warning whatsoever and no brakes. As far as I found from a dealer there is no such thing as internal counter, nor I can see any logic in it.

So again, there is nothing good in trying to make people less concerned about this problem unless you are working for DB.

hangit06

There is a "brake actuation" count. I have accessed in developer mode with my DAS system. My dealer told me the same thing.
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w211...count-das.html

kajtek1

mishar seem to be one of those "don't confuse me with the facts, I have my mind set already"
I have seen the counter on my own car and I read tons of topics about adequate warning for coming maintenance.
So don't confuse the unavoidable maintenance with those few actual failures that happen.

mishar

As I said, according to a dealer. So he doesn't know. Nothing new.

Now, looking at that tread. Those numbers are ridiculous, but if we assume that they added 2 zeros at the end for some weird reason mileages come to: 144,343 miles current and 498,347 miles limit with 1.2 brake hits per mile. Of course it can be more or less depending on many factors, but it should be somewhere there. I really doubt that any of guys that had pleasure of red warning had almost 500K miles. So no limit no white warning. Strait to the red warning and no braking.

mishar

You mean "alternative facts"?

Real facts are that I had bad experience with red warning and almost no brakes at all at approximately 128 K miles without any previous white warning.

Other guys reported similar experience.

I am trying to warn people about this. What are you doing?

hangit06

Yes you are warning other owners, thanks. It is my understanding it is not the number of times the brake pedal is applied, but how many times the SBC pressurizes the calipers. This can happen under wet conditions as the system attempts to keep the rotors and pads dry, and ABS applications on slippery road surfaces. At least that is what I remember reading on the forum.

John

kajtek1

There is HUGE difference between warning and misleading.
Just saying.
We did some testings and the count does go with pedal pushes and the other count is for pump activation. This is how it show on my 2004 model, still no maintenance required.

mishar

What exactly are you saying?

kajtek1

I see the whole thread started on misunderstanding when failure was taken for maintenance request.
Your comments show the same misunderstanding and create chaos.
What dealer you use who doesn't know how to read DAS?

mishar

Tred srarter is about red warning and brake failure. You are creating confusion. I think you are doing it on purpose. Just why?

Richard Vivier

i have contacted mercedes canada because i got the dreeded red message and even if my E320 2003 has 235000 KM they told me it was still Under warranty

cmriv

Canada isn't America. You are a lucky duck, i'm glad your 14 year old vehicle is getting warranty repairs still. No, i'm not being condescending either.

danielgetsthis

Thanks for that. I can confirm that my vehicle has never shown that message. I guess people are experiencing a different series of events that lead up to failure. I certainly have only gone from normal > fail > normal with nothing else.

mishar

Exactly!

Crna Mechka

This is correct, just FYI in case anyone wasn't convinced yet.

kajtek1

How can you be convinced about something you don't know?
When MB is not making the numbers public knowledge and even dealers don't have the info, the general experience is that it is pedal push with +- 600,000 number that triggers the maintenance requirement.
There is no count for calipers activation and the pump activation count goes in millions.
Guess is that pump activation count affects the maintenance schedule, but no solid confirmation.

mishar

There is no pump activation without calipers activation unless there is a hydraulic leak inside the system.

kajtek1

How do you know that?
System is having hydraulic accumulator, so the pump works when accumulator pressure drops.
It might be related to caliper activation, or might be not.
Either way, there is no caliper activation count.

mishar

The right question is how you don't know that?

If it is not related to a caliper activation what is it related to? Just try to think before you answer.

You also may think about being childish. Are you 15 or so?

kajtek1

15 yo should know what is the purpose of accumulators.
You are making big mess on the subject.

pj11503

WHY EVEN PAY HIGH PRICE FOR MERCEDES CARS WHEN THESE CARS POSE A DANGER TO CONSUMERS. THEY SHOULD FIX ALL SBC PUMPS AT NO COST WHEN THESE PUMPS FAIL OR EXPIRE. NO WARRANTIES , IT'S NOT THE CONSUMER'S FAULT. IT'S THEIR FAULT FOR CREATING THIS UNIT.

hellah fresh

I like to say that i join the "red warning" club. I drove my 03' 400+ miles for the first time after just buying the car with 158k miles and it finally showed up. Im guessing there is no way of getting rid of that light unless we shell out $900 for a new pump?