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Old 01-28-2019, 10:42 AM
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New memeber and owner of a 2005 E320 CDI with 166k run and drives like a dream and have been very happy with it. Need to change the oil but most of what I have found in much older threads is about people using the Mobil 1 5w40 ESP formula. That oil seems to have been discontinued but I am curious if anyone has experience with the genuine 5w40 Mercedes branded oil? Seems like it would be good to use just curious if people are using something else due to higher mileage and more advanced
properties in different oils.

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You won't go wrong using OEM branded oil. Might hurt a bit more in the wallet, but it'll work just fine.

I get the European Blend synthetic Mobil 1 for diesel engines from Wal Mart. Count on about $80 for the oil and filter (you won't get the filter from Wal-Mart).

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Hello all,

New memeber and owner of a 2005 E320 CDI with 166k run and drives like a dream and have been very happy with it. Need to change the oil but most of what I have found in much older threads is about people using the Mobil 1 5w40 ESP formula. That oil seems to have been discontinued but I am curious if anyone has experience with the genuine 5w40 Mercedes branded oil? Seems like it would be good to use just curious if people are using something else due to higher mileage and more advanced
properties in different oils.

Thansk for the help!
Mobil1 0W40, cheap and good. you can buy it from Walmart. Your 05CDI does not have DPF.
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Went to dealer and got Mercedes 5w-30 229.52. 8 quarts 50 bucks. I was always under the impression it was a 5w-40 oil?
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I have always used Total Quartz 9000 5w40 since I got mine . I just buy the OM648 oil change kit from ebay or if any website is running a sale, comes with oil and filter.
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I gave him my vin got the oil filter and crush washer for 16 dollars and then the parts guy insisted that the 5w30 oil was correct for the cdi. Havenít seen that anywhere elseís though
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A quick search I found Rowe Hightec Synt RS DLS 5w30 is supported for the CDI, so I guess Mobile 1 5-30 is ok. I have never used it so I can't give you a answer.
If you plan on doing your own oil changes I also recommend buying Stahlbus oil drain valve or the Fumoto drain valve, this really does make it mess free.





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Will do that next oil change installing a quick drain valve. To be safe, I will go exchange the 5w30 with the 5w40 oil tomorrow. Seems like that is the standard oil people are using. Thanks for all the help!
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If you consider what people are using, read the threads about seized bluetec engines while dealer-maintained.
Seem not too many dealers read the MB recommendation (attached above), but they gladly deny any responsibility for blown engine.
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This is what Iíll be exchanging the 5w-30 for
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Get a vacuum pump oil extractor and you'll never have to lie on the ground to change your oil again.
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Yeah, they are nice not so much on cold diesel oil though, take a while to get everything out.
Works amazing on transfluid and brake fluid.

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Can anyone confirm the correct oil level? When the engine is running I am showing about 6.5 qts before the engine was running it was showing almost 9 qts. No on subsequent starts itís stays around 7 quarts with the engine off.
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Rotella T6 is hands down the best oil I've ever used in my diesels (and turbo gas engines), you can find it at any Walmart for a very reasonable price. The correct oil capacity for the OM648 is 7.3 liters.

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Originally Posted by av8or91 View Post

This is what Iíll be exchanging the 5w-30 for

I don't get it , 229.5 is a backwards step , it's an old oil spec !

229.5 Vs 229.52




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As I said, reading the updated chart is not for everybody.
I did use Rotella T6 in my 606 engine as well all pre-DPF Ford trucks, but that oil is not rated for DPF and I am not taking my chances.
Trouble is that we can't buy the best oils in USA, while the best Shell sold in UK cost a fortune.
To add to troubles, whenever I try to reorder German oil from parts suppliers, the oil I bough a year earlier is no longer available.
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Pretty much, I know when googling on newer diesels or any vehicle for that matter, it becomes a screaming match on oils.
​​​​​​Besides the all mighty Amsoil (5-w40 European MB approval) it's followers, Schaeffer's seems to be a good choice for DPF and newer diesels.
As for me I will just stick with my Total quartz 9000, good reviews and comes in a kit for my vehicle with the filter.

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Can anyone confirm the correct oil level? When the engine is running I am showing about 6.5 qts before the engine was running it was showing almost 9 qts. No on subsequent starts itís stays around 7 quarts with the engine off.
You cannot go by the gauge when the engine is running. Just put in 8 qts when you change the oil and filter and go from there. I use Mobil 1 European Blend (0W-40). I would also stay away from Mobil 1 ESP oil as it has less additives and is made for newer vehicles (2007 & newer) with DPF systems.
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As I said, reading the updated chart is not for everybody.
I did use Rotella T6 in my 606 engine as well all pre-DPF Ford trucks, but that oil is not rated for DPF and I am not taking my chances.
Trouble is that we can't buy the best oils in USA, while the best Shell sold in UK cost a fortune.
To add to troubles, whenever I try to reorder German oil from parts suppliers, the oil I bough a year earlier is no longer available.
The OP has an 05 CDI which does not have DPF, Rotella T6 would do just fine in the 648.
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The OP has an 05 CDI which does not have DPF, Rotella T6 would do just fine in the 648.
Probably so, but how many volunteers want to be Guinea Pig on 5-figures engine?
My schools gave me some oil classes, but that was long time ago and tired of all those gimmicks, where "Oil change 3000" is not even remote history, I send several oil samples from my Ford diesel to Blackstone Lab.
Drove the truck a lot, so it did not take long to have lab results on 5 different oils and Rotella dino beat Mobil1 synthetic at the time.
But now I don't drive a lot, so such test is no longer possible with my cars and again, the oil supplies for modern diesels in USA is very limited.
Funny the Ford diesel I have with DPF and DEF is 440HP monster, so expect-able higher oil demand, yet Ford specs have much bigger selection, while similar technology engines between MB and Ford run on totally different oils.
Good luck figuring it out.
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Went to dealer and got Mercedes 5w-30 229.52. 8 quarts 50 bucks. I was always under the impression it was a 5w-40 oil?
If it's 229.52, it's by definition 5W-30.

Nevertheless, this engine predates diesel particulate filters and therefore (as it will state in Mercedes literature) the same oil as Mercedes gasoline engines use (229.5) is specified. For most, this is Mobil 1 European Formula 0W-40.

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Curiously, I only use oil from the dealer and had MB 5W-30 on the shelf but when I went back to the same dealer, was told it should be 5W-40, (which sounds correct).

My '05 CDI has over 200,000 miles and runs just fine, (actually very fine). I don't drive it too hard but do drive faster than most.

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