Thoughts on best buy: 212 E350 VS CLS55/CLS550 VS Used S550
 

I hate to make one of these "decide for me what is the best car" type of Threads, and we've seen it so many times before. I'm in the debating stages for my next car, and curious to know what drivers of the new E-Class think, seeing as to how some non-Leasers probably cross-shopped these too. This can maybe serve as a reference from the many others in the same pickle.

Keep in mind that I don't have a family, am under 30, etc., so I don't need the practicality of a Sedan, however, just like big 4-Doors. Also, I drive my "garage queen" like 5K miles a year, so I don't need the most economical car.

My thoughts:

Objective E350 Pro's: New body (will be current for 6 more years), massive Warranty (headache free ownership), durable, economical, will be basically brand new, will be a worry free ownership experience probably. Also, very modern and sharp/crisp styling, and I am a sucker for the classic proud M-B 3-Box shape, especially mixed with a sleek "coupe-like" grace.

Cons: Will become more and more common (not sure if that'll affect my perception of it yet), will have legions of Joe/Jane's beating around in identical looking cars, ho-hum 268 HP V6 I'm so used to, luxurious but not so thrilling, rear end is hard for me to warm up to, might see big depreciation once the new D/I motors come out. Some interior materials aren't up to par, but for the most part it's good and fit & finish/sturdiness is superb.

CLS55 Pro's: Drove one and WOW, this thing is a joy. I never loved the CLS look, but like the W212, I can and have appreciated it more-so, since I've taken a step back and tried to understand where it's coming from, and really study the designs. The thing makes me feel alive, it's such a hot rod, and has such a sense of occasion, you feel like roads "rock star". Can get for cheaper than anything else I'm looking at (incredible value). Very pretty interior, and love the alcantra everywhere.

Cons: NO WARRANTY (deal breaker on its own), bad MPG (but I don't really care as it's not my daily driver), although the styling is hot in AMG form, some angles are still hard on me (and I must be the only person who misses the Star sitting on the hood), HARD to sell (nobody wants to touch 'em it seems), dated chassis/safety, new Body around the corner (I'll have the "old body" again, for what it's worth), and depreciation will be massive once that happens.

CLS550:
Basically the same story as the CLS55, but could be gotten CPO'd, and is a bit cheaper (and a bit newer).


S550:

Pro's: What I am truly after.

Cons: Super huge (might get tedious), pricing is a bit unreasonable now that they sell for about as much as a brand new E350, and this is speaking on non CPO examples, with relatively high mileage. I'm all about getting a CPO S550 with low mileage, but not sure if current pricing is worth it.

Also, E63 is considered, but as much as I love the W211, I've already had one, so would like to try something different (although man would I love an E63). F10 5-Series is as well, but I don't have that patience I think, especially to wait for the M-Pack to come out, etc. E550 is also a prime choice, but I won't spend over $50K on an E-Class that's not an AMG, just not worth it for me personally.

----
Would be interested to hear your thoughts/opinions, or if anything, take what I said into consideration if you're also in the market. :)

Gonna Test drive everything tomorrow probably.

imho, forget the E350 idea and move to something that's either truly fun to drive (i.e., AMG) or more roomy (i.e., S Class.)

If you decide on an AMG, don't fret about gas mileage. You can easily adjust your mpg with your right foot.

Other option is to sit tight right now and just use the Malibu. Then see how you feel and what the market's like around September.

Thanks. Yeah I hear you. That's my thing, I want something a little more daring, either stupidly "big" and Luxo, or fast, etc. Driving that CLS55 I remembered how I used to not lust after anything that didn't have an emotive driving experience in one way or another.

The E350 is just such a "safe" choice, in every aspect of the word, but I fear that I'd be in the same situation I'm in right now in a couple of years.

BTW, I forgot to mention I've been lusting after the Maserati Quattroporte lately, but as the MASSIVE depreciation on those Exotics suggest, they are a literal and potential nightmare to own. I don't care about bad MPG really for my "Pleasure Car", and I don't really mind the high Maintenance (just once a year, and my E350 cost me friggin' $1K last year anyway), but it's the cost to fix, and rarity and $$$$ of parts that scare me about the QP.

Oh and yeah, I'm trying to be patient. Right now is the worst time to buy a car, as the '11 MY's are a couple of months away, and once September rolls around, whatever I buy now will get hit with its 1 year depreciation. Hard though to not want something now though. :D

i know exactly how you feel. to be honest i wouldn't go with the E unless it was a V8 or AMG variant. I'd get like a 07-09 550, but in your shoes, I'd go with an E63 (it's kind of different since the facelift really changed the car, way sharper looking).

CLS is a nice car and I've thought about jumping into one like a 500 or 550 (most likely a 500, big difference in the price between 06 and 07, but would like to avoid SBC too).

The S550 is such a nice car, but again i know exactly how you feel, car is way too big for me right now and i don't think it would suit me well right now.

I'd forget the QP, personally. Issues like the DuoSelect clutch makes me kinda nervous. Although the QP isn't really that bad (so they say.) Resale is horrible. Real downside with Italians is that maintenance (non-warranty stuff) is so crazy expensive. Nice car though.

Anyway you'd be freaking out about every potential door ding, fender bender, etc.. And it's a car you can't drive in a lot of places (but with a Benz, since they are so common, you can get away with it.) That is, unless you like attracting attention to yourself. I'd get an Italian if it were a third car. No, actually I'd get a GT3 or 997.2 TT. Real performance and not so insane maintenance.

Since you seem to change cars often, certainly don't get a new W212 E350 unless you want to keep it for a long time. And as it is now, it needs that power upgrade. And when it comes, it's going to ding the resale value of the current version pretty heavily.

So if you get a CPO, then don't think so logically and just get what really puts a smile on your face. Once it's done, then enjoy it. Sell it when you want to move on. Cars are really a losing proposition except in the fun department. So get something enjoyable and don't look back. Get a QP if you really want one. And drive the Malibu when you're feeling guilty.

The thing about these kind of threads is that one gets feeling guilty about extravagance and just wants somebody to help them not feel that way. Yeah, sure, do the frugal thing and get an appliance car. You'll feel better doing that. Yeah, maybe for about 1 week. :v:

You're a car enthusiast, nothing wrong with that. :y More fun than stamp collecting, imho.

p.s., as Gaazmon says, the W211 E63 is a different animal than the car you've been driving. Sharper suspension, steering, and tranny. Then there's the power plant. :naughty: Plus there will be things that you are familiar with already which can be a good thing. The 2008-2009 are an option to consider (with the new COMAND in the '09s.)

a 997 TT... well that would be my #1 choice over anything :D

Is the C63 out of the question?

If you were enjoying your prev. E350 then you will definitely enjoy the new one even more. You will enjoy finding the differences and how you will start to like what you hate and grow up in you (don't ask me how, coz I donno the answer)

For me, I like the E ride more than other classes because it suites my style

All Merc. drive almost the same but changing the class for more options, different luxurious flavor and price tag

To help you on this IMO you should choose the size you prefer, let's say E-Class (Normally this is the easiest part)
Then you choose the Engine, E350, E550 or maybe E63
Finally, the options and packages (Hardest part if you are buying under a budget)

The cls is a sport sedan, very luxurious with a sporty flavor
The S is a huge sedan, very luxurious with a classic flavor
The new E is just like the old E, a simple mid-size sedan, just luxurious with both sporty and classic flavors

If I see an S I would assume the driver is 45+, CLS is 35- and for E I can't guess the driver's age

Yeah, I agree. CLS500 is insane cheap, but if I went CLS it'd have to be a 550 motor, and even the SBC on the CLS55 is making me cringe (I want to move past that damn braking system!! :D)

My big issue with the CLS right now (aside from no Warranty on the 55), is whether I'm going to REALLY like looking at that car after a while, and if it'll get dated. I've really looked at the car extensively lately, and I FINALLY understand why everyone thinks it's like the nicest design ever (I never got that), however, it still does rub me the wrong way in areas. I think it was so ahead of its time, it's holding up timelessly thus far, but not sure how that'll stand.

Yeah, I hear you.

The QP is just something I gotta stop tempting myself with, I REALLY would love to have a friggin' *Ferrari* 4-Door, but you're so right, I'd be driving myself NUTS with paranoia's toward that thing. At least I know that if something on a Benz breaks, I can get it replaced/fixed easily, even though it's expensive, a Maserati is super expensive, and sources are SO limited and rare, I'd literally freak out over everything.

Yeah, I always like to say I'll keep a car forever, but that doesn't seem to be happening yet, lol. I spent so much extra money getting a pristine E350 CPO'd, and I ended up selling it shortly after the Factory Warranty expired, and I babied it more than I drove it. :wall:

My issue is, that right now CPO's command SO much extra money, I'm wondering is it worth it for me, or do I just take the gamble, and get a freakin' 500 HP beast, let it make me as happy as a vehicle can, and use that as making it's expenses being all on my dime worth it.

Anyway, I definitely think you're advice is good. Also, I feel that if I do get the new E350, it'll be so much more the doings of my brain. I surely would love the car if I had one, but I just feel like it's pointless to have a "garage queen" car that I baby and put 4K miles a year on, that is designed to be a high-mileage, economical, basically "appliance" to most of its owner. That's why I sold my beloved E350.

My family gives me so much hell for all the money I'm "wasting", I figure, hey, some people waste money on pointless and forgettable things. The only thing I really throw my money at is Cars. :D

Oh, and you're right about the E63. I keep remembering when I drove in one, it certainly felt nothing like my E350 in any way. I'm gonna look at some probably. I would LOVE one, perfect all around car. I'm just wondering if it'd be more "fun" to experience an alternate design.

You know, I've really tried getting myself into that car. It's just, I'm not the biggest "C" fan, although the C63 is pure wicked. It's a bit too small, and C's are so common, and I know myself, I'll always secretly feel it's "entry-level"-ness. Also it's interior is very low-end IMO, even though the AMG does spruce it up a bit.

Who knows though, I think after a Test Drive I might be singing to a different tune on that one.

I hear you. Yeah, issue with the S is also that in certain elements, I'd almost feel embarrassed driving it, it's SUCH a statement, especially for a "young" guy.

The E-Class is pretty much the perfect car all in all IMO, just the right size, Luxurious enough to be prestigious, but not to the point of it costing an arm and a leg, etc. If E550's were a liitle bit cheaper (or if this were next year), I would seriously be considering a 550.

I must say that I would restrict the choices between current models. W204 C63, W212 E350/550 or S-Class W221. Don't go for the W211 again or the very soon replaced CLS.

Personally if I were in your shoes I would pick the C63, it's insane, I love the concept of compact goog looking lux sedan with 6.2l V8... :) I agree with you on the interior, but I think the rest of the car would make up for it many times over...

Yeah, I'm trying to stick with that too. I don't mind if I own a body-style that's not current, if it's nice, and especially if I've owned it for a little bit and grown with it. However, I'm just thinking, let me try and somehow cover all bases, get a car that's currently in Production for at least another couple of years, and fits all the other criteria's.

My issue with owning the CLS after it goes out of Production, is that since I've just really started to look closely at it and like it more-so, it's still not too proven to me, so I dunno how I'll feel in a year or so.

The W211 E63 would be such a great car for me, but I'm trying to just set that thought aside, if at least for the reason for trying something completely different in all aspects. Although, on the flip-side, the familiarity would be nice, and I truly know and appreciate that design.

I'm gonna look into some C63's. They are just so bad-a$$, I might be able to get past the downfalls. Also, they hold value VERY well, all things considered.

c63 all the waaaay

K-A - in your title you refer to the 2012 E350. Wouldn't this be the perfect choice?

The W212 will have had two years for the bugs to be ironed out (although my 2010 E350 4Matic has been trouble-free so far). The new 3.5 liter V6 DI engine will be available, and the turbocharged 4.7 liter V8 might also be available.


I am also curious to know why you sold your beloved W211? I thought this was a keeper?

K-A, don't forget that the C63 is a car that's really only meant to be driven fast. By that I mean it's too small and basic to be considered a comfortable cruiser like the bigger AMG variants (E and S Class.) Plus the suspension is pretty stiff and it eats rear tires. It's too one dimensional, imho.

I love the C63 for what it is. But the E and S means you can sometimes forget what's under the hood and simply drive it like a comfortable luxury car. The E and S AMGs have a great sound at WOT, but are quiet enough for those times when you just prefer comfort cruising.

p.s., what you said in your first post is revealing:

"S550:
Pro's: What I am truly after."

Never go against your gut instinct. If the S550 is what you're really wanting inside, then do it. Make it work. If it's still under a year of warranty, then buy an ELW. Or stick some money in the bank for maintenance. It's like buying a house: you get a deal on what you want realizing, yes, you need a few bucks stashed away for repairs. Plus you have a second car, anyway. 4k a year is nothing (you could even qualify for collector car insurance from a company like Leland-West); hey, you won't be driving enough to ever have any issues, LOL.

fwiw, I bought a new 2009 W211 E63 at the end of the cycle for a huge discount. That discount is what I call my "maintenance fund." So basically I got a new car with "free maintenance." Work the numbers on the car you truly want. And then you won't ever have second thoughts or regrets because you didn't get what you really wanted.

And don't listen to anybody else, including me. :slap:

Ah, actually I meant the W212, as in the current 2010 MY. But yeah, I think in 2012 with the new motors, the W212 would be a much stronger contender were I in the same place as I am in now (hopefully that doesn't happen). :D

I dunno why I sold it.... Well I do. I thought that for all the pampering I do to it, and how low the mileage is, I should at the very least have an E55 or E63 in the garage, or W221, etc. I loved that car, but it was too much of a good economical driver to be treated the way I treated it. I ended up using it for my long distance work trips for the last couple of months that I owned it, and I ended up getting really bored with it (this is why I DO NOT drive my "nice" car on long distance work trips! I get bored of cars I drive a lot very easily).

Yeah, I looked into the C63 all last night after I posted, and as cool as it is for what it is, I know I can't get into a C-Class, I just don't have a very high regard for them (interior/commonality/entry-level-ness/size, etc). I'd rather go W211 E63 I'm gonna get into the 6.2L V8.

This is really random, but I was looking at pics of this W212 E350 that I've been considering, and noticed that it doesn't seem to have chrome at the top of the handles? Then I researched and found out that you have to have Keyless Go to get the ciassy chrome handle trim? Please tell me this isn't so? M-B's always have had chrome around the handles.

This is why I fear I won't be so thrilled with the E350, too many little areas I have stuck in my head that I know aren't up to par for me, which might just ruin my experience. Although the ease of ownership, with being a Brand New car basically, and with all that Warranty, is definitely a strong point.

I'm supposed to go look at a bunch of M-B's today, all included, save for the 63's. I'll see what I can gather.

S550 it might just have to be, I just think some of these Dealers are on the pipe with their pricing, but hey, at least this is one S-Class that is holding it's value less than catastrophically bad (last year it was catastrophically bad when you could get them for CHEAPER than you can now, as prices on those babies have gone way UP).

Er, correction. S550's with AMG PACKAGE are hard to find for what I feel is a "fair" price, as I'm finding enough non AMG Package examples going for a solid market value.

If I go S-Class, it's gotta have the AMG Package, or else it'll look like I'm driving a Hotel Limo. LOL.

I don't know what your budget is, or your color preferences, etc., but there are quite a few S550 w/AMG package in the immediate area right now as private sales.

Not sure why you are only looking at dealer's cars, but why not private sales? They all still have the existing factory warranty. All you'd need to do is get a ppi done. I'd take it to the dealer, have them do the ppi and have them tell you if it's eligible for a CPO status. They'll tell what it would take to make it a CPO. Use that as your bargaining leverage with the seller and then later go and buy a ELW from MB Finance or Chrysler yourself. I'm guessing you'd come out ahead that way.

Plus you don't have to buy in the area. When I was buying performance cars (like hard to find Porsches, etc.) I'd have in my mind the exact car I wanted and then went looking for it. Interstate shipping is not that expensive. Look nationwide on eBay, Autotrader, Dupont Registry, etc..

http://tinyurl.com/2wskdj6

http://tinyurl.com/33y3tuj

http://tinyurl.com/37h9hgj

http://tinyurl.com/33wm6mw

In regards to CPO it's really a gamble. In my case I was VERY happy i got CPO as my tranny went out at 47k miles (due to glycol) and it was fully covered. I think with the 06+ cars, I wouldn't worry as much.

In regards to current models and what not, I wouldn't buy ANY Benz that is before MY06, so stick with 06+. Even 06's make me iffy. Again, with the CLS, I'd try and avoid SBC (i still have never gotten used to the way it works, can't stand it). I drive our 02 CL500 around sometimes and love the brake feel. Have an 06 yukon xl denali, does are great too. My E, just can never get it right, idk why. Also, with base V8s, I'd shoot for a 550 instead of an older 500 (better engine, better performance, better mpg, etc etc). 63 won't have that UMPH as much as the 55 supercharged massive torque, but overall, it's probably a more solid engine/performer, and will outlast (na, less stress, and again newer design, etc etc).

I love the way the C63 looks, but I would rather get an E550 (that's just the way I am). Have never really been a C class fan.

If you DO want to go with a CPO car, try Beverly Hills Benz and ask for Evonne Ghoul. I bought my car from her, she was wonderful.

CLS 550 or S550.

It seems as though the S550 is your first choice already, I always stick with what I really want. That is a really elegant and powerful choice. Now I am partial to the CLS, I would get a 550 or 63 and call it a day if you go that route.

I don't think you could go wrong with either honestly.

Okaay, so interesting turn of events today.

First off, delt with the BEST Salesman I ever have (SoCal, PM me if you want his name, etc.).

He said, "come in, we have everything that's on your list, drive them all, no pressure, and you'll have a one stop shop to take your notes".

So I went.

First off, sat in a NEW '09 E63 leftover, in Black, and WOW, beautiful car, made me really reconsider the E63 (although I'd get an '07). The INTERIOR and smell, alcantara beefy steering wheel, etc. Pure elegance and luxury.

Drove a CLS550, I just didn't get that "hot-rod" aspect out of it that I did the CLS55, and the Indium Grey (I think it was, like a dark copper), just didn't look too hot to me, just made the car look overly "feminine", and not feminine look that would turn me on.

Drove great, like the 211 more or less, and the 5.5 V8 really gets moving when you get on it, however, I just never drive that fast, so the power without that AMG brutal force, didn't really feel much different than a normal 3.5 V6 during my grandpa like foot force (aka, both motors have adequate low end Torque).

One thing about the CLS, as gorgeously designed as it is in so many ways, it just didn't feel "me", not even the interior, although it has a very premium feel, with a strong sense of occasion. I feel most of my issue with the CLS is the very small green-house, and large dash, just kind of makes me feel small and super low (although the car has a higher ground clearance than the W212 by a lot).

On to a CPO '10 E350 with Leather, P1, and Parktronic, White with the nice 5-Star wheels. I gotta admit, next to the W211, and CLS, and even S550, the car just commands my eye, and although it has a weak rear end, and some fussy areas, I'm shocked to say that my eyes have trained to it enough to enjoy the relatively complex, yet still conservative design, as "on" and "off" as it is in different aspects.

Immediately the more masculine "Sedan" proportions and driving position felt right at home to me, and the size is of course perfect for me (nothing new there). I actually now do like the very abrupt, "business", and "strong" looking interior, not very sensual or sexy, but very strong and makes you feel in command.

....And once again, the materials let me down. After sitting in the E63 and driving the CLS, feeling around the W212's interior proved that: 1- It is fitted and finished far better and more granite-like-built, yet 2- The materials are lousy in so many areas, hard plastic doors, the seat controls, etc. The lack of contrast with the ash wood gave it a somber and austere tone. Yet I still helplessly liked its strength over the CLS's prettier, and more elegant materials-based interior. The headliner is pretty weak, floormats are WAY cheaper than the W211's thick and luxurious offering, sunvisor is flimsy and cheap, the dash plastics are like the W204, hard, not "supple" and they attract dirt easily, dare I say it feels Rental Car-esque in some ways. Also, the real Leather in this car was CRAP, felt just like Vinyl, not luxurious feeling at all. Yet, so far, I can't help but feel drawn to this car, as what is a "fit" to me.

And to note, the W212 drives amazingly, like a bank vault with dialed in handling, yet comfortable and confident, yet I always knew this.


On to the W221, this one didn't have AMG Package and was Black, the worst combo for an S IMO, pure "Hotel Limo" car. Interior was great, and it drove beautifully and pulled hard when wailed on, also, it maneuvers supremely, and feel a lot smaller than it is when driving. Yet AGAIN, driving it, I felt kind of awkward, so much space, I felt like I needed to be chauffering someone. Also, next to the W212, although the W221 is still my favorite current M-B Sedan, it does look a liiiitle bit hit by the 212's similar, yet more sculpted design.

So I axed the CLS idea, and they didn't have a 221 I wanted, and I can't find an AMG Package W221 with less than a ton of miles for under $50-$55K. So I kind of feel like I don't want to spend that amount on one. Just out of my budget.

So naturally, we start talking numbers on the 5K Mileage E350. I tell the guy that this car, although I admit I like it a lot more after getting closer and closer with it, and uncovering its charm, I don't have that "I WANT IT" factor, so I won't really budge on what I feel its worth to me. Also, I tell him, if I go new E-Class, I want to Lease, I don't want to pay prices that were set for my "hearts" cars. If I Lease, I'm going to enjoy the worlds best engineered and safest car, and beat it to the ground, per-se, while getting my moneys worth.

I start looking at different examples, and just refuse to drive a Base/Commonly equipped car.

I find a White with Pano car, with P2 (Keyless, awesome Xenon's and LED's), Trunk Closer, Heated Seats, etc. Beautiful interior with the Black dash, headliner, etc. and cream colored seats. THIS interior combo to me is necessary to make the W212's interior look "rich", it's night and day from the all black IMO. At night I was STUNNED with the ambient lighting, never saw it in the flesh with this color combo, the way it lights up the cream bottom door inserts (the rest of the door is Black) is beautiful. Also, the screen, graphics, and materials really have a sharp and classy sheen to them when at night (the interior is obviously designed for night driving, as well, you can't notice some of the cheaper areas at night)

So we bargained for hours, and they kept throwing ridiculous Lease prices at me. I know someone locally who just got the same E350 P2 for $843 a month with $2K down, so I used it as a base price. Although just so high in my opinion. But this person said they shopped all over L.A, and got this, so....

We were going for $629 a month with $5K down on the BASE P1 model, this Pano P2 car I said I'd do for $659 a month, and agreed to pay $5500 down. They threw higher numbers initially, yet I finally got that deal. Still seems high for an E350 (although well equipped) to me, but I compared with some locals, and none seemed to have a better deal, and most got base base cars. MBUSA currently has a "Special" for a Base E350, for $699 a month, with almost $5K down, so it would seem I did pretty good.

So we locked the deal. I'm now gonna sell my Malibu, and enjoy the E-Class as my daily driver. I'm happy to start Leasing as I could see what all the fuss is about, and I don't mind keeping my cash in the Bank.

I loved the drive home in it, feels great and you can't beat the night ambiance, LOVE the xenon and LED's brightness. Also to note, the interior reading lights are LED and very sharp and bright, never noticed that before.

My Girlfriend saw it from the rear in my parking spot and cringed when she had to admit "I was gonna say, WHY DO YOU HAVE A RENTAL CAR!!!!" :tear: Because the rear looks so "cheap". WHY DID THEY HAVE TO FFFF UP THE REAR!!!! However, she said the front is the nicest she's ever seen on a car, so the Jekyll and Hyde W212 it is.

It's already a very different relationship than I had with my W211, but this time, I want to drive, and enjoy what I'm spending money on, especially since it's a "Rental" basically. I think my life will be a lot easier not stressing out about my "garage queen" staying pristine, yet I'm kind of saddened as I love to feel like I OWN and cherish/baby a car that is rarely driven, yet, as romantic as that sounds, it just never happens, and I end up losing money on a car I didn't experience enough.

Anyway, hope you enjoyed the story, and please laugh away as the W212's biggest opponent NOW HAS ONE!!!! :rolf: Hey, I always said, I'm so critical of this car because I knew I'd somehow possibly end up in one when the time came, and it came pretty soon. I am happy though, and did always say "the best daily driver in the world would be a W212", so I'm going to enjoy it as such.

Also, I keep thinking back to what 220S said, i.e, to cater to my true enthusiasts side, and although I truly am with this car as well, I think now that I am able to keep more cash than expected in the Bank, once I probably replace the Malibu, I'm thinking about getting a super cool, true Sporty car, something just fast and loud, and fun.

Glad you wrapped things up and got it done. Enjoy the new car. The fact that you leased makes the whole thing more palatable in case you decide to go another direction later on.

Were you at CalStar? If the leftover E63 you sat in had an Alcantara steering wheel, then it has the P030 performance package. I know someone who might want it. (p.s. those LED lights, including the reading lights, are on the 2009 E63s, too.)

Okay, next step is dump the Malibu and buy a CPO'd 997. ;) Then you'll have a daily and something to play with, too. :y

p.s., better get the mods to close this thread before you get pummeled by the "I told you so" W212 owners..... oh, wait, you're one of those now!

LOLL, I indeed am gonna get pummeled by the 212 owners

.... which weirdly, I am now!! :eek

Yeah, I really feel like Leasing is my future for cars, it's just an odd feeling, I naturally want to coddle my car, take it out only when it's nice out/for enjoyment, etc. But I feel that this is a better "life's choice", and money choice (Leasing), although, I do think I would have lost less money had I gotten a CPO W212 and sold it in a few years. Oh well, I think the process is better for my psychological system. Although, I'm having a weird time right now in regards to "Is this truly MY car/do I take care of it? I like it, so I wanna baby it, but I'm Leasing it", etc. I dunno, I'll mature into a proper monthly Paying Leaser and it'll all make sense soon, lol.

Yeah, Malibu is pointless now, although it's so damn cheap and such a good car, I kind of want to keep it around. Kind of hoping a family member will pick it up.

I'm gonna want to get something fun to toy with, 997 would be SUPREME but I think it's a biiit out of the price range, lol.

I wonder how much Used W211 E55's are gonna be within the coming year. :D

Oh, and it was at Mercedes Of Long Beach. It's a SWEET Black E63, and looks and feel like brand new (I'm sure it's been sitting for a while). They seemed eager to wanna make a deal on that thing. Not sure if I should post my Salesmans name, but if you're friend wants to check it out I'll pass you my guy, honestly the best Salesman I've ever dealt with (he's brand new to Car Sales, so that's why), I've never really wanted to actually make a deal with a guy 'cause I felt he deserved it after putting up with me for a day, lol.

P.S, I don't know if you've noticed, but most 212's have these CHEAP a$$ door handles, like what you'd expect on a Honda, all painted white where you see the indent area that's supposed to be chrome.

Unacceptable. I knew mine was "the one" after noticing the chrome on the handles thank to the Keyless Go, haha. Little things like those make such a difference on cars like Mercedes.

I'm just gonna tint the windows, and rear lights and amber corners like I did with my 350. Hopefully with that, it'll be somewhat different from the legions of housewives in theirs (damn you M-B for giving the AMG Package to everybody for free).

I really want a rear lip for it, as that back end is the only angle that I just think needs some mending. If anyone has good prices on aftermarket ones (don't wanna spend OEM money on a Lease, lol), let me know. I've seen White 212's with Pano and black "theme" and they look pretty wicked.

Once i took my c63 for service and they gave me white w212 E350 4matic for the weekend. I swear that its the most comfortable car i've ever driven and the interior is much better then my c63, its a very nice car. Congrats and enjoy it in good health.

Hey, you're renting somebody else's car now. You don't even have to wash it. Ever. Or change the oil. No problemo. :D

Was the E63 new, as in untitled? Did they throw out a price? My friend couldn't find a new '09 with P030 anywhere. I wonder how he missed this one? I know there's a black one at CalStar and at WI Simonson (but not P030 apparently.) Did it have mileage on it (sales demo?)

Congrats K-A! I'd love to see some pics later on, what interior color did you get? When will you get it?

Hmm, not sure if it was P30 actually, I just remember it had a beefy wheel (probably regular fare for the E63), can't remember if the wheel had suede (unless I said it did, memory is going nuts).

First he said it was Used (it was in the Used portion), then when I started thinking about Test Driving it, he seemed to make clear that it only had like 300 miles on it or something (I think), and I said, "oh, so it's a New Car"? And he said yeah, not sure if a 300 mile car could be New, and not sure if it actually had that or less. At that point I realized it's way outta my range and figured F it, although driving it might have really shifted me in another direction.

LOL, yup, who needs a wash? Haha. It's gonna be weird thinking, "should I wash this myself or just run it through?" :D . I'm gonna take care of it though, as that's part of my "Enthusiasts experience", and to help out whoever gets the car after me.

I'm so peeved at how my GF, who knows nothing about cars, even noticed how "Rental" the rear looked, yet when she saw the side and front, she reacted incredibly positively, much more-so than she did toward my W211 (although I never felt she appreciated that car for some reason, maybe she was jealous of the attention I gave to it). Oh well, I think some little tweaks (Tinted Lights/Lip (if I end up doing that one) should bring it up to speed back there.

I looked up some "Lease-Trader" Leases and WHOA, some of those people who jumped on early REALLY are paying some prices. Made me feel better about my deal, lol. Also, my build is 4/10, so I get the "Side Impact Improvements" that the IIHS states gives the car and incredible Side Rating.

Thanks man! I appreciate that. Yeah, the car is probably as comfortable as it gets, and with the ambient lighting, 2 tone colors, and the overall demeaner, it's truly a confidence inspiring, coddling, comforting, and homely experience. It drives so solid, and nimble, and just perfect. Like my W211 but better, which is as good as I can ask for.

The steering wheel to note is incredible feeling, it feels like it wouldn't bend if you took a hammer to it repeatedly for 5 days, and they use Nappa Leather on it. Gives you a nice feel as that's what you're constantly touching.

Thank you ipp!!

BTW, more rambling.

What REALLY sold me on this car, was when I saw one in Service right next to a W126, I always noticed the W212 is trying hard to conjur up the 126's memories (almost too hard in some ways), but when I saw them together, I really thought the 212 looks like a very modern interpretation of a 126.

Your Wagon always looked so sweet in White, so I remembered that when I was thinking, "do I really like this color, or does it just look good to me at the Dealership".

I already have it, drove it home tonight. :D So it's right in the thick of it already. I'll post pics asap! Gonna get the Tints and stuff done hopefully soon, and a free Dealer wash after the Vegas trip (as I said, riight in the thick of it, lol) and I'll be snapping away!!

Yeah, you said the wheel had alcantara on it which is what the P030 has. The regular wheel is beefy but with part Nappa and part perforated leather. The P030 also has bigger thumb locks.

With 300 miles, it's not new. No doubt somebody's been reaming on it. These motors should be broken in right or you can get major oil consumption or worse. I wouldn't buy an AMG as new with 300 miles on it. Probably why it's been sitting there. Thanks anyway for the info.

No prob. I'll try and remember to ask him how many miles exactly. Seems weird the cars been there for a while if it is "New", and no story behind it.

BTW and unrelated, funny how M-B has these very attractive "loyalty" Programs, yet I wasn't a candidate. I guess they'd rather you stay under the M-B Financial Umbrella than be someone who'd bought 3 M-B's in 2 years. First one was a Private Party, sure (although I supported a long time M-B Owner himself in that case), second one was through M-B Financial Loan, which since I payed it off in full last year, is why I am not "eligable".

I guess now that I'm a Leaser I'll be a candidate next time. :smash: :rolleyes:

Congratulations K-A. I win the gentlemen's bet! ;)

You'd better take cover. They'll be throwing your previous comments back at you!

Hope you enjoy the new car. :cheers:

I've heard bad reactions to the rear of the W212, but it looks much better at night - particularly with the lights on, not cheap at all. I have to question her judgment if she didn't like it even at night. (Insert joke about her judgment in dating you :slap:). Did she say the same thing about the back end of the Malibu? Yikes. :p:

Glad to see you got something you like. :y Although I really thought you'd grab an S class.

Well K-A I was right! Six months ago I said you would have a W212 in less than a year. Last week I said it takes more than ten minutes behind the wheel to appreciate this car. You disagreed. Every day for the next month you are going to find something that you like better about this car as it grows on you. Enjoy.



PS We now expect you to eat your words on cheap materials,safety of pano roof, LED running lights, rear tail lights, free sport package,,angles,design, leasing and much much more.

LOL! Yup, you were right! I fully expect a nice "E-Reaming" here. :p:

As they always say, fine line between love and hate. Fortunately, the things I still do "hate", I can't help but set aside due to those that I do love. Leasing is still something that I'm TOTALLY at odds with, but I'm really trying to force it on myself, at least to experience it and see how it works for me. I mean, there's a reason everybody does it right?! I just feel that paying $33K depreciation on this car for 39 months is a bit much, and getting a low low mileage CPO one would have probably saved some $$$$ in the long run seeing as to how I expect the W212 to hold better resale than the W211 due to much better initial Reliability, but idk.

Anyway, thanks, and thanks for not rubbing it in too much!! :D

Yup, you too. :) Yeah, I was really set on the S, but was really pushing the E on myself, it's just the market on S550's is really working in the Dealers favors right now, and I know how badly depreciation on them will hit once the '11 MY's roll out and the upcoming body style, etc. At the same time, Dealers are asking a pretty penny, yet no models are moving it seems.

As well, I just couldn't get that "right" feeling on the inside again, just felt too big, and dare I say awkward (again it was a black model with no AMG Pack, so maybe it was psychological. The E's size and overall proportions felt immediately like a "fit".

Thanks Wig, I've got my flame-suit on so I'm trying to stay prepared. :D :cheers: .

Oh and Rowr, yeah, I think her surprise was how "mismatched" the character of the front was from the back. Keep in mind, she hates Cars so I've never vented about the E-Classes rear to her. I immediately said "but the taillights are so blingy, you love blingy?!" She didn't seem to see past the design.

They do look a lot cooler at night, just the design is lacking that sense-of-occasion/elegance I think, BUT, I've seen some models with some tweaks back there that have turned it around, it's like something has to be "unlocked".

For the record, she revealed she saw my W211 as having an "old mans car" butt, although she said it was probably the color. My favorite angle of my 211 was the rear, so maybe my GF is just :crazy:. :D

If you're an MBCA member you'll get an instant $1500 credit from MBUSA.

btw, you're eligible for loyalty if you buy the car outside of MB Financial, too.

Congrats on your new E! I'm pretty sure u'll appreciate the "differences" between W211 & W212 as you drive the new car more.
Also, ForMyMercedes.com is a good source for the spoiler you're looking for. Might not be the best deal but I think the pricing is reasonable enough. IMHO this is a simple "upgrade" that'll change your "rental car" opinion regarding the rear end.

K-A. What happened to the BMW F10 5 Series idea?

Fwiw - I think the W212 is the better choice, and I suspect as a Benz aficionado you didn't want to make the jump to the 'dark side'.

Really. How do you become a Member?

Thank you for the Link! That is cheaper than Parts.Com, and for $299 it even comes painted, sound good to me! I think that and some smoked tails will do the trick. The car looks so classy with the two tone interior peeking out of the windows of the White car right now, but Tints to me always tie the car together nicely, and without them it's lacking that flair that I like.

This cars Insurance was A LOT less than an '07 S550, or an '06 CLS55, like majorly.

I forgot to post about the F10, lol.

Yeah, I did jump the gun a bit in not waiting just a few more months to check out the F10 in full.

My main things that convinced me to go with the Benz over a car that I'm really interested in, yet haven't seen in person yet were: A- That I just love the "Benz" brand more, and BMW really lost a lot of cache and prestige to me during and after the Bangle era, however, that is changing with the F01 and probably F10, B- It'll be a while for the M-Pack to be out I think, and C- Again, Bimmers just have lost some prestige, and being that everyone in SoCal has one, it's hard for me to get excited over the brand (not that Benz is much more rare at all). In about 7 years, I'll probably have a warmer outlook of BMW soon enough, yet with the 5'er GT, and hideous X6, etc. I dunno.

What really makes me wish I waited, more than anything, is the 535 TT motor being avail for comparative pricing with the E350.

Go to the MBCA website and sign up. I belong to the MBCA, BMWCCA, and PCA (since I have all three cars; certain benefits are nice plus the magazines, events, etc..) But to get the $$ credit you have to have been a member for at least a year. Do it now and next time you'll get the benefits. :y

As far as "everyone in SoCal having one," there is no exclusivity with any brand in this part of the country. I dunno what's more plentiful here, MB E350s or BMW 3ers and 5ers. They're all a dime a dozen. My personal take is always buy the car you truly want and screw everybody else. Anyway, exclusivity is an illusion, imho.

Also each brand has its dogs: MB, BMW, Porsche, Audi.

p.s., I'm still surprised you didn't pick up an S, but there's always tomorrow. :)

seriously. what exclusivity. ya my friend goes to school in some middle of nowhere part of west virginia and says the nicest car around is a C6 corvette. over there if i drove around in my car, I'd get everyone looking, but in LA, no way. just drive what you like.

Cool, thanks, I'll sign up!

Yeah, I see all those cars here too much, which is a big issue with the E-Class, seeing as to how they're all optioned with the same exterior styling. I always felt kind of "different from the 211 crowd" in my 211, due to the rare AMG Package, and Pewter color. We'll see how I feel once I do some little tweaks here and there, and after a couple of years. The P2 LED's, and Pano give at least some differences from the commons out there, but they are subtle. I will say, the 3-Series is so damn common, it annoys me to see them, like how many people can possibly want a friggin' 3-Series? I guess it does out-do the C-Class in most respects.

Yeah, I am too, I hope I made the right choice, right now my battle is "was Leasing the right move", if so, then the 212 is it, since that's the only car I'd Lease right now basically.

So far I'm happy, if not, then oh well, it's just money right, lol. I'm (knocking on wood) not planning on it going anywhere for me, so after this 39 month Marriage with this car, I'll see what happens.... Man, 39 months!! :eek: Haha.

.... Or we'll just see how long it takes for me to get that "I want a temparmental Exotic/Sports Car/outlandish Luxury Car to baby" thought again. I am counting on the 212 to keep me happy and feeling "special" for 39 months!! :rolf: We'll see if it's up to the task.

Nobody will ever notice, except you. :) But hey, that's the enjoyment of car ownership. :y

Reality is once you're behind the wheel, it's only the driving experience that matters; how others see you is irrelevant. Plus on LA freeways nobody is looking......either at you or the road :eek:

The 335i is a quick little go-kart and with a few mods can come close to the M3, and especially the new 335is coupe. 328i is a C300 with a nicer interior, no real excitement there.

No biggie, it's done now. No looking back. You're simply renting a car long term. Then just give it back to MB Finance when you're really ready for that S ;)

Yeah, you still need a play toy in the garage. Life's too short. :zoom:

KA this is too wierd I thought we were of like mind. I am selling my E3504matic as well. It will be gone the end of next week.

I was looking at it tonight and during my drive of it I was thinking that I am making a big mistake but.... I am selling me E350 mainly because I don't love it enough to put up with the dealership experience and I've had way more than I care to discuss.

As my handle implies I love the marque but I have been truly disappointed in this car.

I bought it for two reasons a guy a work bought it brand new and I lusted over it ever time I saw it. He decided to sell it two years later and gave me a screaming deal. I had driven a couple of E class and liked the power of the E500 but never really got to know the cars. So in some sense I bought it without really driving it. And frankly the whole experience has been not great. In large part due to the fact that I treated like 220S described the experience of owning a QP. I freaked out on every little thing that happened to it or went wrong with it and trust me in the two years I owned I had an uncanny number of incidents with it.

KA I've read of your posts in the past I agree that for whatever reason the E350 doesn't feel the least bit solid. I live in an midwestern urban area which a lot of roads in poor repair and the car feels like it's anything but carve from a piece of granite.
My experience with this car mirrorred Quadbenz's with his S550 in that it has had rattles, vibrations etc. I thought that since it was under warranty I could finally get the car to drive perfectly but it just had too many rattles buzz's vibrations to ever hope to get the dealer to address though I tried. On occasion I enjoyed driving the car but most times not.

I would consider the new E350 if I was convinced that it was solid like I expect a Mercedes to be and would stay that way. Like I was telling one of the salesman at the dealership I don't mind paying some money up front but I want to feel like the car is going to last forever.

So Congratulations!!! and keep us posted on your W212 experience and maybe I will follow you.

^^^
That's a sad story. I do have to say that MB franchises in the US are pretty pathetic. I've been going to an Indy for my routine maintenance even though I'm still under warranty. He has all the SDS and is enthusiastic about MBs and AMGs in particular.

I think Daimler is getting back on track but whether we ever get back to the W124 period is another story. I doubt it. And not just with MB, but other brands too. Things have changed; ownership style has changed and economies have changed.

I was thinking of selling my 993 and my E63 and picking up a 997.2 as a daily (I don't really need a 4 door sedan.) And despite Porsche having the highest JD Power ratings, blah, blah, there are still issues with the cars (including massive oil consumption.)

I've been satisfied with the E63 and it's performed flawlessly so far. But I find it disheartening to hear of other people's imperfect ownership experiences.

No brand is 100%. And there are always bad samples and luck of the draw. If you replace your E350 will the next car be any better or worse? It's a crap shoot. I think you have to just follow your instinct.

But there's nothing worse than owning something that causes anxiety and prohibits enjoyment.

Thanks buddy!

I know what you mean, and it's sad to hear your E350 has let you down. I also treated my W211 like a Ferrari, and it got overbearing, I think that forced me to "clean out the closet", per-se, and start anew. One reason I'm Leasing is because, I'm so OCD, if I love something, I want to keep it perfect, young, etc. Leasing gives me a little less stress in regards to me treating the car in a more sane matter (so far, we'll see if my OCD kicks in). Even still, I look at the car and my natural instincts say "CLEAN IT CONSTANTLY! Put it in the Garage, etc." That's just how I am, I'm gonna grow from it, and that alone is priceless to me.

Honestly, I think the W212 is PERFECT for you, and for the record, as I'm sure you remember, over a year or so ago I told you the same thing in regards to the W211 VS W212 when you explained what you were looking for in your Benz!

Seems the W211's are a mixed bag, due to that trivial period they were launched in. Some people say theirs feel so solid, some not so much. Mine felt kind of "weak" as well, for what I wanted out of a Benz. And the front door closing-sound was terrible, ESPECIALLY with the windows down. :eek:

The W211 has a very elegant, kind of "soft" vibe, not much emphasis on "strength", yet being a Mercedes, it still held that aspect naturally, just less than some Benzes that put more emphasis in that. I think both directions have their minuses and pluses.

I love the 211, and loved my car, but one of the areas that always bothered me about mine, was the solidity aspect. The 212, which for the record has 39K less Miles than my 211 did, feels like a BULL, like M-B welded everything together in the interior, the strength of the buttons/materials/fit & finish, etc. are far superior than anything I've been in. The materials are strong and feel destined to last, yet at the same time, many are questionable in that they aren't that "luxurious", however, I can't stress HOW rich the interior can look with the right Options and Color Combo, even considering some of the questionable IMO materials. I honestly can sit there and pick areas that individually don't match the 211's (like I have so many times), but I get why many said you kind of have to own the car to understand why so many look past those. There's an underlying sense of quality, that goes deeper than the materials, and kind of forces you to give them the benefit of the doubt, i.e "well if they chose this, it must mean that it's the best". A good testament to the things that the car really does do great.

I will say, the all Black interior W212 felt disappointing to me, and didn't stack up to my W211 in overall interior ambiance. My W212's interior combo is just dreamy to me. It really has this vibe that is brilliant and super luxurious and CONFIDENCE inspiring, the colors, the ambient lighting, the Pano, the solidity, etc., all come together to create this vibe. Something about this car just tells you that you're in good hands, and you need not worry about anything related to it, and it'll take care of you.... Well, it's a mix of everything, i.e, the car as a whole comes together to tell you that.

The steering wheel alone speaks volumes about the car it represents. Aside from the surprising including of Nappa on it (which feels amazing), the thing feels like it's made from something that is unbreakable, you can literally smack the wheel rim full force, and the thing won't vibrate or flinch.

Anyway, the 212 and 211 couldn't be any different. The similarities are in the driving style, where's the 212 feels like "W211 done better", which is a great thing. It's more floaty than my stiff AMG Sport 211, yet handles WAY WAY better, it just is so much more nimble, steering feel is superb, easier to operate, yet hugs the roads more. I've heard some "clunking" going on when going over big bumps or really rough patches, not sure if it's normal, but it isn't a problem yet. The 211 was quiet, yet when it was put to the test, THAT'S where it annoyed me, as it would start letting noise in. So far, the 212 seems super quiet through and through. I'm hoping that continues.

I still look at 211's and admire, as I don't have "old Owner" syndrome, where all of a sudden I've gone 180 on a car that I loved just a week ago (I've seen this happen so many questionable times). I really don't feel like I'm driving a continuation of it, just feels like such a different car. I think both cars cater to you differently. I would love to pick up an E55 sometime, to go along with the 212. That would be E-Class-Awesome. :y

Agreed. :cheers:

Yeah, I still want to get a toy, something pretty "cheap", fast, raw, loud, etc. And my E will be the nice refined cruiser to give me that nice balance.

Oh Boy oh Boy, LOL.. I would dig up some old posts but this is not the right time .. Congrats on the car!:y I have no doubts you will enjoy her. The new E drives like a dream.:zoom:

Hahaa, I was waiting for you to pop in.

Yes yes, bring it on, I can certainly dish it, thus I am strong enough to take it.

Thanks. :y

A message for K-A!
 

Sorry K-A try it again. I hope you remember me. I'm the professional industrial/graphic designer that found fault with your design critic. If you want unique you need to move to northern Alabama. Now before you po-po northen alabama it is the home of spaceflight and the successful Moon Landing It is also the Silicon valley of the southeast As a matter of fact Dr. Walter Hauserman who was part of Werner Von Braun's developement team and developed the computer guidance system for the first moon landing is a relative of mine and is 95 years old.

If uniqueness is your concern, and sure it is, then do not get E class. Very common, like Camry or Accord. At least in my neighborhood everyone owns E class (last generation for sure, but in two years). CLS is very unique and tells for owner, he isn’t ordinary housewife driving E class. Regarding warranty, Mercedes is recognizable as very reliable car, and I am confident it is. I owned Lexus and can tell it ages really fast, 3-4 years old car looks like 10+. 10 years old Mercedes is still new car and smells new car. So I guess you got idea. You can ask me what I do in this forum since like muscle and unique car. I do shopping for my wife, so getting CLS for her is cool, but not really practical with small kids.

Ahh, the Attached pic isn't showing up on my Comp, lol.

Drove it to Vegas this weekend, as expected, the comfort and coddling levels of the car are supreme. I got drowsy on the way here, and the detector didn't go off (one of my favorite Features of the car), however, I never got to the point of "falling asleep" where I'd started swerving, etc.

The car has Sirius, and mixed with that bright screen right in your face, feels like a rolling entertainment system compared to what I've been accustomed to on these drives.

BTW, this car does play DVD's correct? Does it play them while driving? Or any "cracks" to allow that to happen? (I probably wouldn't do it anyway, as I don't want to tempt myself to do something stupid).

Not being able to enter Address in the Navigation while driving SUCKS. You can play with all the Radio and Sat Radio stuff, but not enter Addresses huh.... :rolleyes:

There's a lot of sharp lighting going on in this car at night, keeps things warm and bright, the ambient lighting, the sharp graphics, etc. I do miss the 211's "Halo" light, but I'd choose the surround-lighting of the 212 given the choice.

The car drives so solid and confident, that's its biggest difference VS the 211. Both give warm and great long distance cruising experiences, yet in very different ways. The 212 feels much larger and more "open" too, the Pano helps with that as well. I'd say, the 211 allowed me to notice and appreciate individual areas where materials and designing were obviously done to extensive detail, the 212 really concentrates on an overall experience and vibe more-so.

I DID find some "clunking" coming from the dash area when under stressful roads. Sounds like something around the passenger side of the front dash is just doing a hard vibrate/rattle, hopefully it was just some stuff I had in the car. Also, the suspension does get a little upset when under hard roads, but the 211's did too, this one handles it a bit smoother, but there are some more "clunk" sounds coming from the wheel areas when it starts hopping around. Nothing to really annoy me much yet.

Aside from that, this car is SO quiet.

I gotta say I'm surprised by the attention it gets as well. Quite a few comments, however, lots of people are seeing this car who never saw me in my 211, as I didn't drive that car to some places I've taken this. I've had a few Valet guys I know make some "comments" about me all of a sudden popping up in this car.

Yeah, that is my biggest problem with this E. I just cringe when I see a "Housewife" in an identical car. Again, I don't mind owning a NICE car that is common (hey if it's good people will want it, and I can't help that I like big/ish 4-Doors), but I just want a more "exclusive" looking version of that car. My 211 did that great, as it's rare to see AMG Package ones (before the slower selling '09 MY), and the Pewter gave it a kind of unique-ish twist. Again, I don't care how other people view it, *I* really don't like seeing an exact replica of my car, and can notice even subtle, but substantial enough changes that make me feel all warm and fuzzy and special inside. :D

CLS is cool, just not for me. And I was thinking, although I don't like what I've seen from the new CLS so far, in the case that I do, will I have hit myself for buying a car that is about to get "replaced", when I don't even know what the replacement looks like in person.

I still hate that M-B put the AMG kit on every W212 so all the grannies driving it have that aggressive styling.

Oh well, whaddaya gonna do.

You might wanna check out Mid City Engineering (a sponsor here), they have a VIM kit for W212 for ~500USD, which allows u to watch video in motion (hence the name) as well as enabling address entry for COMAND.

Got the picture up...sort of ruins the moment though! Check my last post.

Ahh, that picture is just wrong. :rolf::smash:

Northern Alabama sounds nice, and it does seem tempting to jump some notches in the "car exclusivity" area, however, I think I'll stick with Cali for now. :D Thanks for the info and, erm, appetizing picture. :cheers:

OK so some initial pics, didn't wanna post these as they suck, but oh well. Gonna get some proper ones once I get things all Tinted this week (hopefully some with the car all original as well). Been so crazy these weeks haven't gotten a sec:

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_1738-1.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1722.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1744.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_1737-1.jpg

Nice!! It's my no. 1 combo. But with dogs and renovating a house there wasn't much to do about it, had to pick black...

Very nice, K-A. Congrats! :y

Although, I do think those chrome strips on the bottom of the doors look out of place.

No pictures of the tail lights? They actually grow on you over time & the design will start to make more sense. Mirror image of what I own except mine was a 3/10 build so I need to avoid getting hit from the sides.

I still can't get over the funky monkey styling of the W212. Blah. And I never will, trust me! :nonono:

Next car is a 997TT or F10 M5; if it's a MB it'll have to be the S65.

But I'm not going to take over K-A's old position here on the forums :rant:

So don't worry. :p:

Thanks! Yeah, I know what you mean, I haven't had to do more than dust an interior of my car in a long time, I'm already afraid of having to literally "clean" off an interior that is light enough it can stain. Hopefully it's worth it.

Side note: As expected, I'm not too thrilled with the dash material on this car. It's the same as the C-Classes it seems, and a little less "polished" and smooth than the W211's. It does seem more tough and durable (perhaps that's why M-B went with it? Or it that wishful thinking), but it ATTRACTS dust, and gets these white "dirt spots" out of nowhere, which the 211 never got. Rental W204's always drove me nuts as the interiors always had these dirt spots on the sticky-ish/rubber-y dashes, and unfortunately it seems the 212 has the same problem.

Thanks bud! Do you have the gorgeous F01 yet?? :naughty: On second though, maybe THAT will be my next whip, hehe. :D

You're right about the chrome strips, I noticed that when looking at my car today, like "what is the meaning of that, just so M-B can stick chrome on the doors like the older models, where they actually looked proper"? Then they take the needed chrome off the handles of the non-P2 cars. :crazy:

LOL, no I'm just saving those until I get the rear lights smoked, hehe. I got the model-emblem debadged, and it looks a bit better and cleaner already I think.

I don't hate the back, I just feel it's very down the middle, safe, and doesn't seem to make much of an impression. I'm hoping my "mods"/clean-ups will fix that to me personally, I think they should. With the smoked lights, clean look, and black windows and Pano, I think the rear should hopefully look wicked. Worst case, if I'm still not happy, I'll fork out the extra dough for a Lip.

Either way, I know what you mean, and I hope and hopeful that the "method to the madness" comes across to me, and the rear really ties in and makes sense. Some M-B's and cars in the past have tended to do that.... And some just stay obviously no better explained than "flawed", lol. I can see myself really falling for this cars rear though, once I do some personalized things to it (mentioned).

LOL, I'm sure the W212's before 4/10 are still safer than about any other car in Side Impacts. WTF did M-B change with the "door trim material" anyway? Seems identical to me.

LOL! Someone's gotta still do it! :D :rolf:

Naturally, as an owner, my tastes will conform to it, and I'm gonna choose to see if for its plus points, but I still and always will acknowledge what I love and/or hate about it, etc. Love her or not, she's a funky looker! I guess that can be a good thing or bad thing, depending on who's answering, lol.

Today it seemed everyone took out their beautiful AMG/AMG Package equipped W211's just to mess with me. I'm probably the only W212 Owner who stops and stares or turns my head to appreciate the W211's great design, haha.

These are such different cars, the 212 just flatters me in a whole different way than the 211 does, comparing them just does each injustice, as they have absolutely polar opposite personalities, yet of course, the natural M-B/E-Class design similarities are still there, which are incredibly important to maintain.

Driving wise, that's where there is no question. The 212 is an obvious evolution of the 211 in that respect, and feels like it does everything just that much better, it truly is just something special to literally drive.

F02 actually (F01 = swb, F02 = lwb) :p: hehe, but no. We actually placed an order for one but canceled it before it made it to production. As much as I love the new 7, I can't see myself with a BMW and feel the MB brand, especially the S, has much more prestige than the 7 which leaned me toward the S again, despite just getting rid of ours and the issues we had with ours. I've been seeing a few deals on used S65/600s with low miles that are just way too tempting and makes $100k+ on a 750Li seem absurd. Still can't make a decision however. At this point, I'm going to possibly wait it out on the S550 with the new V8TT.

Nice! I agree. That's why I just didn't wait for the F10. Love it and BMW's new (which is going back to the old basically) direction, but M-B is just more for me, and has always had a higher cache built into me. After some years with the new 7 and 5's on the road, I think BMW's "stock" will start to rise naturally again to me.

Yeah, I would go with the TT V12's! Especially a slightly Used one, great bargain really.

Looks awesome dude. Love the color combo and wheels! BTW I'm totally good with the tail lights

Thanks MBNUT! Yeah, if the tails are good with you already, then no doubt you'll be very happy with the car. Some better pics. Some half-assedly with my friends Camaro. I'm really happy with the turnout after some of the clean-ups and Tinting:

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1774.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1777.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1767.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1805.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1797.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1773.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1818.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1819.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1755.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1792.jpg

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1765.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1779.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1795.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1768.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1801.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1803.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1763.jpg

K-A, this is for you. You need to reach deep into the recesses of your brain and tap into what you wrote here on these forums many months ago before the MB dealer you visited last week offered you that cup of KoolAid :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4QtGwfb2M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E2dNnIlIQI

I drove a F10 550i yesterday afternoon with adaptive drive. My suggestion: don't test drive one. :v:

Where do they have F10's avail for drive???? I will not be able to help myself, lol.

We'll see what happens, hahh.

I definitely remember (and still hold as truth) most of my notes toward the 212. Funny thing is, the SALESMAN I was with didn't even love the 212 all that much, we were both criticizing our identical pet peeves (materials, hood shutline, etc.), yet somehow I ended up in one. Unexplainable really.

Like I always said, I can get myself to fall for the styling if I have to, it was the interior, the rear and the commonality of the AMG Packs all identically equipped that were the deal breakers.

So I guess I'm doing okay, the interior combo and Options I got disguise enough of my materials-problems (except the stupid dash as expected just absorbs dust, like the 204 C-Class), the rear is just something I'm gonna deal with, and like a bit more with the tint, we'll see if that Lip becomes a mandatory, lol.

You have a little write-up to provide regarding the F10??

How much did the one you drive Sticker at??

The F10s are everywhere now. Go to South Bay or BH. The 550i had HUD (really nice system); Dynamic Handling Package (a must); Premium 2; Sports package (with 18 way multi-contour seats.) It had a few other things like Smartphone integration and anthracite trim. It came with the 8 speed sport adaptive auto tranny. And yes, you can still order a MT! The MSRP was $71k. You can also get the plush Nappa leather for an extra 1k MSRP.

I'll write up briefly what I thought, but remember that I come from a different want and desire than you and others here on the W212 forum. Mercedes has little meaning for me in respect to the luxury thing and I couldn't care less about the cachet of the name. In fact, the whole Mercedes stereotype turns me off (I debadged mine right away.) You also know that I had a 2009 E350 that I couldn't stand. It was the most boring car I've ever driven. No wonder they now have a "falling asleep coffee cup icon reminder" LOL. Just understand that performance is the number one issue for me personally. By that I mean I want to be engaged in the driving of the car 100%. I've driven the new W212 350s and 550s and they will put you to sleep. But if that's what one prefers, that's perfectly fine.

Anyway, the F10 with dynamic handling gives you a ride that's notably smoother than the old BMW chassis. No more banging around if indeed you do want to sleep. But in the sport modes it's right back to the BMW ultimate driving machine. This car rocks with having a choice now. The steering is still BMW precise and you can flog it into the corners. There's no body roll whatsoever (at least I couldn't feel any.)

HUD is pretty cool. Not just a gimmick but something that allows you to keep your eyes on the road and still monitor everything. Now HUD is in multiple colors instead of just one (makes it easier to distinguish the different read outs.) Only problem is that it gets lost with polarized sunglasses.

The car is quicker than the E60 550i and with no lag whatsoever. A way stronger torque (450 ft/lbs) and it's now in the lower street usable rpms due to the TTs. The 8 speed sport tranny seems to shift pretty crisp and quick. Although I didn't mess around with it as much as I wanted to (next time I will.)

The car handles BMW precise, yet can be set to comfort if you're on LA cr*p roads. Comfort smooths everything out without you feeling like the car is driving itself (like in the W212.) I'm hooked on Porsche and the classic BMW suspension dynamics but there are times when it's just too stiff because of our bad roads. Now that's all fixed with the F10.

The exhaust is pretty quiet, not very throaty. I'm guessing the M5 will sound a lot better. I noticed the 550i has the squared tailpipes, I guess to help differentiate between the 535i. But I do miss the sound of the E60 V8; the F10 sounds a bit more subdued even at WOT.

I'm going to drive it again in a few weeks at my local dealer. They are a Jag, BMW, Porsche, and MB dealership. So I'll try and set it up with a W212 and F10 back-to-back. Anything you want me to specifically compare?

K-A, I know the inside little bits and pieces are important to you. So, let me say that the interior is more "Scandinavian" feeling than the W212. By that I mean it's much more clean and minimalist. The materials are really nice and most of all, the ergonomics are set up for driving. Clean lines, very smooth and no frilly chrome-like stuff. Every piece conforms to each other. I dislike the W212 because it tends to jump all over the place. In the F10 each piece works with each other, there are no abrupt jumps. It's a full turn-around from the blander E60. It's a richer feeling but not at all overcooked. The multi-contour seats are really comfortable (for me) and although the leather isn't rough like the MB standard leather, I'd personally get the Nappa.

Anyway, each to their own. This car fits me now after that E60 weirdness! The M5 will be ready next year. Then we'll be able to see how the F10 fares in the real world. Concerns are the turbos (heat) and the HPFPs. But MB will be facing those issues, too. With DI, FI, and high pressure pumps, reliability issues are suspect. We'll have to see.

I'll be waiting until autumn of next year before I make the jump. My rule is still to never get the first year model of anything. But the F10 looks to be on the money for me. The M5 should be a real performer (no more SMG and no more too stiff a chassis when you don't want it to be.)

I'm curious ... how old are you and what do you do for a livng. Please don't BS me. Generic terms will be fine. Thanks.

Awesome, thanks for the review.

How would you compare the interior materials in each car, plastics, etc.? Would be something if BMW outdoes M-B in M-B's own home-court.

So are F10's for Sale already, or just on display, for Test Drives, etc.? I gotta try and make it out to drive one when I get the chance.

If I did go for the F10, the 535 with M-Pack would have had to be the one I'd want. I'm certain that it would probably be more than what my E MSRP'd for (I hope, or else that's a helluva bang for the buck that I missed out on, due to that V6 TT motor VS the 3.5 V6).

As for comparisons, I guess aside from the obviouses in performance (which I don't think will be much of a question), I'm curious to know which drives smoother, considering equal cars (528/535 VS E350, 550 VS E550, etc.), feels stronger, etc. All the boring stuff that can't really be put on paper, lol. I have high hopes for the F10, meaning, I expect it to keep the BMW performance over M-B, but apparently, it's supposed to hang in the comfort, quietness, etc. areas as well. Now that I have the 212, I'm rooting for the F10 to fall short in those areas for sure, lol.

How'd you like the styling in person? I see opinions ranging from "Gorgeous, sculpted, more interesting in person than in Photo's", to "Boring/bland, not much more interesting sheet-metal work than what you see in Photo's".

I like that the interior is flowing in it, I do find the E's waay different approach to provide a great driving environment on its own, but I always appreciate sensual lines, and cohesive workings.

Me?

I'm 28, and to be extremely broad, I work in "Entertainment" related fields.

In other words, "I'm a Hustler baby". :D :rolf:

No, I just work hard, and I save well, and don't spend much money on anything, besides cars. I should be investing in property.... Maybe that'll be next. I'm not "wealthy" or anything yet, however, I had $0 to my name at the age of 24, so I'm trying to enjoy what I have worked for, while still being as wise as I can with it.

I like to buy things Cash, usually, as I hate making high Payments every month, makes me feel more comfortable. But decided to do it the other way around, more or less, this time.

I think if you want chassis softness and comfort as your number one priority, the MB still wins. Especially the E550 with its Airmatic. It's pretty much always been that way with BMW vs MB. But with the new Dynamic Handling Package, the BMW is pretty nice for having it both ways.

If pure chassis dynamics (in the performance sense) and more precise steering is your preference, then the BMW still wins.

As much as I like fast cars, I prefer handling over sheer speed. I actually enjoy driving my 993 slower than driving my E63 faster. But at the same time, the super stiff chassis of the P-car can only be put up with for so long (the newer 997.2 is more soft, of course.)

So again, for me I really appreciated the F10 chassis. I'm looking forward to picking up the M5 down the road.

As far as the plastic bits and pieces, they aren't dramatically different between the cars. The BMW still has those little rubberized knobs for certain functions (radio and climate control, etc..) but there are less buttons. Mainly because most things are done through iDrive.

I guess what I don't like about the W212 and what do like about the F10 is the "clutter" issue. To me, the W212 just seems too cluttered. And things look disjointed. With the F10 there's more flow and less clutter. Again, the "Scandinavian" look is all I can think of (think: Danish furniture.)

Maybe these two pics might help. In the W212, the console shape is unique, then the air control vents are unique, and then there's the cowl for the COMAND screen. Each is very different and for me it breaks any flow or continuity. Kind of a mishmash. There's just more "stuff" in the MB cockpit. The BMW is cleaner, imho.

With the F10 there is a more minimalist approach and things tend to connect (in shape) together. There is also a bit less chrome stuff. The W212 has that (to me) awkward chrome surround of the air vents smack in the middle of the dash. Plus the vents themselves are chrome painted.

Although I understand the practical reasons (space) I also don't like the shifter on the column. Also the gauges are much easier to read on the F10 and I think that comes from BMW's emphasis in the past on sport first. The conical surrounds of the W212 gauges are a bit too much for me. I like the simple four, round, all black face, gauges on the BMW better (reminds me of Porsche.)

The F10's body styling has more visual sculpting in certain colors than others and they don't seem as pronounced until you see it in person. But it is very subtle. I found the nose to be too flat (pedestrian safety rules) and the kidneys too big. Also I didn't like the line of the hood and the nose (it looks a bit odd for some reason; take a close look at it.)

The F10 is subtle like the latest Audi design. But it has much more presence than the Audi, imho. It's not nearly as boxy. It's also a much bigger looking car in person. That surprised me because in the pictures it looked like a 3 series. And with the M package it looks a lot different. The F10 will never be mistaken as a 3er on the road. They are very different in person.

Again, each to their own. Comfort and sedate goes to the MB, imho. Dynamic chassis and more tighter steering goes to the BMW.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...fficial_10.jpg
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l.../w21200037.jpg

Nice, thanks. So the M-Pack is already out??

They said it would take a year or so for it to be avail.

I'll have to check it out myself. The interior looks very cozy, much more-so than the 212's in pics. The 212's though, WITH the right color combo IMO, is a very "homely" and cozy "living space", which surprised me, so I'm wondering how the Bimmers will do in that aspect, considering it looks so damn plush and nice via pics. BMW's materials always put me off, and I always preferred M-B's, I'm wondering if the F10 can change that, or at least bring it closer, which the latter is a given, as I've heard this car is far more refined than the E60's.

No, none of the cars here of course have the M package. I'm referring to it only from the Photoshop renders from the Euro spy pics. I hear that it won't be available until the M5 is ready for sale(?) So we'll be seeing it this autumn.

Again, K-A, I think you and I are coming from somewhat different positions. Although design and interior layout is very important to me, it seems paramount to you. For me, I'm far more concerned about driving dynamics (in the performance sense.)

If all I want is comfort and luxury only, the S Class would be the choice (over the 7er) for me. I still think of BMWs as true sports sedans and not luxury cars. Right or wrong, they've always been about the handling dynamics for me. Since I kind of like a larger car these days (been there, done that with the M3), the choice was the 5er. But the E60 sent me kind of scurrying away. Now (again, for me) the BMW is back as an option.

You offer many valid points about the respective strengths and weaknesses of the W212 and the F10. Having owned a number of MB and BMW models over the past 25+ years, I can find much on which to agree with you.

However, as for the styling of the latest models, I must say that the front end of the F10 is not very appealing to my eyes. The cut line across the hood is very disturbing along with the oversized kidney grills. The W212 front end is a much more successful design, especially when seen in lighter colors. So too is the side profile of the W212. In dark colors, the F10 with the Sport Package and black shadow line looks very drab and boring.

As for comparing the interiors, again, I prefer the W212 dash design to the F10. The latter design, especially when accompanied by a beige (or gray) interior, is simply dreadful. The beige A posts, beige carpets and beige lower dash, carpets and rear parcel shelf all contribute to a feeling of beige overload.

The two-toned interiors offered on the W212 are much more attractive !!

Getting back to your comments on the dynamic differences, yes I agree with you that if handling is the priority, BMW will most often deliver a superior package. But if comfort, ride, stability, practical engineering, highway tracking and rock-solid build quality are your objectives, then MB usually offers a better solution.

With the latest mid-sized models from these two renowned manufacturers, how fascinating to see that MB and BMW have switched roles: the former was known for a conservative approach to styling (W211) and the latter for its avant guard E60. Now the W212 is the more aggressive and dynamic looking car, while the F10 has reverted to a very conservative sedan, perhaps a 3 Series on steroids.
Unfortunately, the F10 lacks the near perfect proportions and athletic shape of the 3 Series.

That's interesting (see what I highlighted in bold.) Maybe you missed what I said in my post you just quoted, but it's exactly my feelings, too:That cut line at the hood is definitely odd. And we pretty much have to wait (at least I do) to see how that 'sedateness' might change with the M package, and what the M5 itself will end up looking like. I hate to admit it but some of the design cues that were on the E60 perhaps should have been carried over a little bit(?)

I will say that the F10 dash seemed a bit high when I drove it. It felt higher up than the W212(?) As far as the interior color schemes I think I understand what you are saying. Although I personally like only black in a performance car and that's it. While my E63 has a black interior, it does have the dark gray Alcantara headliner and A posts. That gives it some contrast. Again, we'll have to see what the M5 offers.

Personally, as far as both car exteriors designs are concerned, I'm not 100% with either one. For me, one looks 'Japanese' and common, the other looks 'safeguarded' and common.

And as far as "rock-solid build quality" is concerned I'm not sure that can be as readily applied to MB these days(?) At least not like it was in the W123 and W124 era. But I was concerned with the abysmal safety ratings that the E60 has which also put me off a bit from that version.

Again, for me the whole thing boils down to driving dynamics. And I much prefer the stiffer side of things overall. And especially steering feedback. For me, with the Dynamic Handling Package, they've allowed for a proper and smoother ride adjustment without losing that long standing BMW characteristic.

But it's always a compromise. I like the ride of my E63 when I do long trips. The E63 is definitely a great choice for long distance autobahn style cruising. And I like the ride of my 993 when I really want to drive just for the sake of driving on the twisty back roads. I'm thinking (hoping?) maybe the F10 is both rolled into one. Or maybe not.

In the end, I guess that's why I have both those cars. Unfortunately there's never really the perfect solution with just one car.

Yeah, this is true. I did get the Performance itch when I drove the 55 AMG cars, yet, my priorities aren't really there.... Basically, when my budget gets high enough, I'll be able to afford all that my priorities require, AND get that beastly performance aspect. :D

I agree about the Bimmers shutline, and flat front end, that alone has really gave me reservations toward the car. In the pictures of the F10 next to the W212, showing the fronts, the F10 just was lacking IMO.

It's funny, a friend of mine checked out my E tonight. He was taken back by, and really loved everything about it, and commented on how aggressive it looked. He said he's never seen a Benz with such aggressive body-work, stating "the lines are so sharp and aggressive, it's like they kind of went for that Lexus look and out-did them".... He said this with no intentions of it coming across as negatively, lol. :rolf:

+1 K-A, I test-drove F10 last week for my wife and I parked it beside my W212 and everyone in dealership came to compare both cars, everyone I talked to agreed that W212 is far more better looking, even the salesman who helped me there agreed on that. I thought the F10 has a better looking behind in pictures but that's not in person, W212 looked sharper and fancier from all angles and the F10 looked more athletic with no style IMO. The only thing I liked inside the F10 was the Center Console and that's it. When I drove it the steering was awesome but it was too thin for my hands, ride was better than the E60 but not the W212, it's faster and no turbo lags what so ever, but TTs are not there yet in terms of heat dissipation and reliability for everyday use, so having a Naturally-aspirated engine for now is better IMHO. I just didn't like about driving it is the transmission, it was jerky may be it didn't adapt to my driving style yet.

Yeah, I hear you. Performance is key for me. Once I'm behind the wheel it's all that matters. I'll forgive design flaws for the driving dynamics. And I mean spirited engaged driving, not driving dynamics in the sense of comfort. (I'll get up at 5 am on Sunday mornings just to drive hard on the back roads when they're empty.)

e.g., I think the Exige is a funky looking little car but what a go-kart! Same with the Caterham (i.e., Lotus 7.) A friend of mine has one and we went out in my 993 and his Lotus and it was a great run. After driving it, I'll forgive its looks. :)

Anyway, what's interesting is how one promotes the car they currently own. I think I can probably look at the F10/W212 comparison with a lot less bias since I don't own either (and may never.) It's human nature to want to say only good things about what one owns because it's partly a reflection of themselves. Nobody wants to admit what they bought has faults since that means they had faulty decision-making. e.g., your complete turn-around from just a few months ago with the W212. The car hasn't changed since you first saw it, and yet you now are making comments like the one above. :)

I guess the bottom line is always be true to yourself and screw what anybody else thinks. :D

Sweet, good to know. History will simply rewrite itself, the 5 and E will garner split decisions around the world. I think the E certainly is the talked about one this time around, and has the "ooh" factor, like the E60 did last time around, I just hope that "ooh" doesn't translate to "ahh!" once the cars start getting more common and have been around for years, as what the F10 has going for it is concentration on timeless styling (I think, I gotta see it in person), which will also translate to a more luke-warm initial response of course.

Interesting about the rears, yeah, via pics I like the F10's a lot more so far, we'll see how it looks in person. My 2 issue's with the F10 so far have been, possible "bloated" BMW shaping (although better than previous Bangle Designs), which the E always looked crisper and leaner (true to historical M-B styling ideals, thank goodness) (and I acknowledged that long ago), and the 5's front end isn't very hot, which might be fixed by the M-Pack.

Exactly, as they're not the ones living in your shoes. That's why I ended up just going with the 212, I drove so many cars, and although it was my most expensive option in a way (was the only New Car I was looking at), I couldn't help but feel like it was just right for me, and felt like the one that would be the most proper extension, which was tough despite how staunchly I saw it on "paper", i.e all my (valid) and studied flaws.

The F10 is definitely a design that I agree with more than the W212 in an initial and historical sense (cleaner, cohesive, etc.), but I know, even when I was praising the F10, that I would probably end up in the Merc, were the situation to arise (also this was due to the M-Pack being unavail for a while, etc.).

My main worry with the 212 is how it'll age on me, which is why a Lease is great, but even for a few years. I'm not used to jumping on board really "stylized" cars, so it'll be interesting to see how this car fares with me in time. Naturally now that I have one, the car has (thankfully) won me over, in terms of my happiness in it. However, if we get into any intricate design convo's, don't think I've forgotten what I said before. :D The question is, will I just conform to it, and start to look for over "stylization" in cars in the future? That'll be quite an interesting twist.

What's funny, is my natural tendencies toward this car are to just keep it CLEAN looking. Uniformed black windows, no red on the taillights (when they're not engaged), no orange amber markers, no writing on the boot or even license plate frame, no cluttered double Fogs, etc.

That's simply me attempting to draw a medium with all the business M-B has given to you in this car stock. So far I'm really loving the car, as shameful as I am to admit this, given my history, I just can't help but once again speak honestly in the moment! :y

What's cool is, the car is so monochromatic between Black, White, and Chrome, it's like some pictures I feel like they're done in actual "black and white". I dig the theme, and I think it kind of fits the "Future-Retro" look of the W212.

As a leased vehicle, I assume you have to 'undo' your mods when you return it to MB. It is certainly the case in Canada that a lease has to go back in original spec.

It's not really a problem, I make sure to "" "Mods", as to them just being cheap Tint like stuff. I'm not putting on wheels or anything (I like the stockers fortunately anyway). The Lip I'll probably convince myself out of.

Hey K-A, just wanted to say congrats on your new ride! The W212 in white is awesome, I see more and more in this color around here in the Northeast. As I've come to appreciate, this car is a stand-out will grow on you more and more each day.

To redefine what MB has done with the new E-class, consider this: when I drive this car to work and park around the new BMWs and Audi's, mine gets the most attention! That about says it all!

Best of luck with your new Benz...

Thanks man!

Yeah, White is definitely "the" color for it IMO. Yeah, the car definitely draws some attention, it surprised me as I wouldn't have thought so before I got one, but I guess I had looked at and studied the car so much, I got more used to it. Most people who I know who see it, don't recall seeing "the New E-Class" at all up until then. Also, lots of people stare at the front LED's, it's kind of funny, lol.

Today while going to look at an F10, due to the STUPID BMW Dealerships lack of seemingly ANY designated Customer Parking, I parked on the street, and while trying to hug the curb to avoid getting my new ride side-swiped on such a narrow street, I SCRAAAAAAAPE a nice set of rashes on my wheels. I'm SO F'ING PISSED!!

As I looked at my wheels, right across from the giant Bimmer Dealerships glass door entrance, with Salesman foaming at the mouth at the New E Owner about to be "wowed" by the new F10, I walked back to my door, got in my car, and bolted as fast as the little V6 could get me.

I tend to have an immature temper when it comes to these things, so officially, my stance on the F10 and BMW is that they can suck on my Hood Star Ornament. F*** YOU BMW AND F10!!!! :X :smash:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1799630,00.html

I'm sure they're in the phone book. Or call directory assistance. I'm guessing they'll pay to fix your curb rash.

Thanks for the Link! I'm gonna track those richies down and get them to pay for my curb rash! They're lucky I'm not requiring them to buy a whole new wheel!

The saga continues anyway:

Today I was driving my trusty Chevy and happened to be in the area again, so I said, F it, I'm going back.

I walk in, NO Salesman help me (they were not busy), one even looks at me, then looks back down quickly, I had to walk up to some guy, and ask where the new 5'ers are, and he carelessly states "in the back" and said which were back there. Didn't care to get up and show me it. That's fine, as I don't like Salesman breathing down my neck, but the gesture would have been nice, and I would have like to drive it.

I guess I'm not your typical "Douche-Bag" BMW looker (even the Salesman all looked like greased up D-B's), I have an "Alternative" type of look, sure, i was dressed down, sure, but they should know, some of the most powerful people don't take the time to "portray" it, they leave that to those who try and be them. :rolf:

So I look at the F10, and some nice "Prep" or whatever guy tells me he's getting a Salesman, I say "don't bother", to save from more hilarious embarrassment. He says a lady is coming out soon. She comes, talks to him, I hear him tell her "he's in that car", and she seems to go back inside after more talking.

I'm a child when it comes to these things. So thanks BMW, it was fun liking you for a minute, but I'm done, and I've never been happier to own an M-B, at least THEY APPRECIATE MY BUSINESS!!!! :cheers:

Oh, and the F10 was interestingly unremarkable upon first glance. It was dirty, and an ugly color to be fair. The sheetmetal was a nice mix of smooth and lean shaping, yet also had that classic BMW bloated roundness about areas, and some sharp elements that either contrasted the round elements positively or negatively, I can't tell yet.

I couldn't get a great view of the rear (it was parked against a wall), it seemed okay, yet potentially a bit bulbous and portly.

The interior was okay, huge improvement, but actually to me it was a lot more cluttered than the 212's? It kind of gives a more cozy vibe, and more "available", but not as clean or sharp IMO. Definitely much more driver oriented, as the Benz feels more kind of "modern-minimalist"-ish, not as much as the S-Class (minimalist) of course. The Benz also feels more open up front, airy, etc. I think. Materials are good, I'd say about on par with the E's as well, some areas are a bit better, some not so. The benzes feels a bit more sturdy I think, and I guess I'm just used to some of the carry-over Benz materials, so they feel more "for me" than some of the Bimmers. I'd say the interior comes down to total preference so far. Oh, and I hate BMW's Vinyl, M-B's is much more "luxurious" IMO.

I still gotta drive the F10, if I care to be humiliated by another BMW Dealership who doesn't want my business. :rolf:

OH! And the front end is HORRIBLE, so flat and bland? BMW must have been able to work with the EU Regs better than that? It looks like it got flattened by a hit to a wall or something. The headlights are nice, and are of a nice shape, but the rest of it just is lacking. I think the E's face is faaaar more interesting, whether you like it or not (still polarizing), aside from making a bolder statement (something many people mistake for being "nicer", i.e not everything needs to be bold and/or aggressive), but it's just chiseled better, shaped more interestingly, and just seems to have a lot more attention there.

fwiw, I had the worst experience in my life at a Mercedes Benz dealership. But I bought a car from them because in the end I wanted a car they had on their lot.

I had the greatest experience in my life at a Porsche dealership. But I didn't buy a car from them because in the end I didn't want any car they had on their lot.

All that really matters to me is "here's the money, now give me the car."

I enjoy my current car but it's certainly not ideal. I occasionally think about what might be next. I have no brand loyalty. No manufacturer and no product is without its faults. But I suppose if I tell myself I own the best thing on wheels and everything else out there su*cks, then I'll feel better. Funny how the human mind works. :)

Anyway, they're nothing but material objects and our wants and desires will change overnight. In the meantime they exist to give us some pleasure. But we'd probably do best not identify ourselves with something so truly inanimate.

True. I was just peeved. I have a lot of humility, so it's not like I let it eat me up, but I wanted to vent.... So I wrote a "strongly worded letter" to the Dealer, and received a call almost immediately :D. They asked if I can come back to check the car out.... Meh.

Yeah, if they have the car you want, then you gotta give the a$$holes your money. If you have choices, I'd rather go elsewhere.... But money talks, so the best deal is gonna be my best friend.

I don't have brand loyalty either, but I naturally do have the brands that hold a higher cache to me, or that feel more "me", etc. But indeed, perceptions toward material items change instantly, all we can do is enjoy what we enjoy, and hate what we hate, and see if those lines get blurred at any time across the way. If you do convince yourself that you own the best thing on wheels, it does help out. As they say, "ignorance is bliss". :)

Just curious, which dealer was it? Santa Monica is one of the worst and I'm not the only one who thinks so, it's pretty well documented.

A good franchise is South Bay, imho. There's a guy there named Robert Dixon who also runs driving clinics up at Willow Springs and is a BMWCCA instructor. Great salesperson and really knows cars. Not certain if he's still there(?) http://bimmerdriven.blogspot.com/200...-founding.html

Here's a customer's review: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160702

He tried to sell me a M5 before I bought my E63.....

But don't go hating on the product just 'cause the salesperson is lame.

It was BMW of B.H, just horrible all around. Don't think I'll go there again to check out the F10 more closely. I find it always helps to call first and get a guys name, and set an "Appointment". I'll probably do that as well.

+1 on the appointment part. I always do that. You don't waste anybody's time including your own.

I gave a nice gift certificate a while back to a Porsche sales guy (I used to get them as freebies from my work.) He would call me up anytime they had something really interesting on the lot and set me up with a test drive :zoom:

Yeah. This is why I was so happy to honor my Salesman with the Sale recently, he was just making the whole process very easy, and was seemingly very honest in his opinions of the cars (didn't even love everything about the 212, and he owns an early 211 as well).

K-A, LOL. I totally saw this coming. :rolf:

LOL. :rolf::rolf::rolf::rolf:

BTW, yesterday I was driving, and saw an epic W221 in Diamond White, MAN that color really picks up when in direct sunlight.

Started getting that funky feeling of "did I make the right choice"? Also, the F10 has been on my conscious for a bit.

All in all, still so far so good. on that same drive, and hear a "HONK HONK" next to me, quickly glance to my left, and some guy in an old body Lexus SC Coupe is very excitedly giving me thumbs ups (my windows were up and they're dark, so he probably couldn't see me I assume), and then sped ahead.

Been a long time since I've gotten that kind of reaction regarding my car, I mean, no matter how nice the car, that's usually reserved for exotics and/or just launched popular cars.

I was like WTF? Lol, but hey, pretty cool, I'll take it. :y

A couple new ones of the ride. Before I washed it (dunno why I took dirty pics, but it still shines pretty bright! :D).

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1900.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1901.jpg

Aright, just want to post these as well here, as I think they show the car in some decent lighting. To note, car hasn't been washed in a couple weeks here, and is still awaiting its first Wax. I'm happy to see how well White holds up!

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1914.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1909.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1933.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1923.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1918.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1912.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1920.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1908.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1926.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1917.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/IMG_1935.jpg

Quick thoughts on E-Class ride
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by salamt
If you were enjoying your prev. E350 then you will definitely enjoy the new one even more. You will enjoy finding the differences and how you will start to like what you hate and grow up in you (don't ask me how, coz I donno the answer)
For me, I like the E ride more than other classes because it suites my style
All Merc. drive almost the same but changing the class for more options, different luxurious flavor and price tag
The new E is just like the old E, a simple mid-size sedan, just luxurious with both sporty and classic flavors
--------
Just commenting on the E's ride:
I was given and fell in love with a W124 Chassis 300E circa 1987. This car had the most sublimely comfortable, enjoyable ride of any car that I've experienced. After driving any other car then getting back into the 300E its ride superiority always hit home and impressed. It even handled and steered well for a car equipped with a worm type steering system.

After the 300E passed away when aged 28 years, I bought a second hand W211 2005 E350 Avantgarde. This car is great but by no means comes close to the 300E in terms of its ride quality. The W211 E350 Avantgarde has lowered 'sports' suspension compared to the W211 E350 Elegance, which I've never driven. I'd hope that the Elegance would have that beautiful ride of the old 300E. Even so my E350 Avantgarde has a good ride given its tight handling, good throw-ability and enjoyable high redline, under-stressed M272 V6 which delivers about 270 BHP.

Wish I could still buy a new Mercedes-Benz E-Class with a traditional 3-pointed star on its bonnet and a non-turbocharged, relaxed low-stress, high-capacity engine like the great M272 V6 or an equivalent non-turbocharged V8, similar to the M273. Sadly, today in 2023 too many MB vehicles are powered by overstressed little 1.8 or 2.0L four-cylinder engines that are heavily turbocharged and over-boosted... straying too far from the meaning of the Marque.