aceman

Says its going into the CLS & S first....E will follow in 2013...
and he seemed pretty confident about his information.

Anyone else hear this?

Aceman

K-A

It's BS. Typical Salesman with wrong information.

pmb600

Dealer is wrong. Twin-turbo V8 will be introduced across the lineup for MY12.

RNBRAD

Yes I read that. There is some contradicting information out there. Here's one quote that may make people think this and it's from Edmonds. Not sure why it didn't specifically mention the E.

"Anyway, on with the good news. The new V8 is a direct-injected twin-turbo unit of 4663 cc displacement. According to Mercedes, the engine, which will appear first in the CL-Class coupe and S-Class sedan this fall, will pump out a healthy 435 hp and 516 pound-feet of torque, up 12 percent and 32 percent respectively. Thanks to the direct injection system, Mercedes can run the engine at 10.5:1 compression ratio."

K-A

Oowhee. High Compression, D/I, and two Turbo's. Who's going to want to own one of these 10 years past Warranty?

WGB

Never a truer word spoken.

aceman

But he seemed pretty darned confident and I've known him for a while to be fairly well informed. I am getting the itch and would really like to get into a
550 4matic that gets between 25-30 mpg on hwy!

Aceman

RNBRAD

Could be scarry. My brothers new 335i has been in the shop twice for fuel pump, injectors and turbo problems.

K-A

Yikes! Even at their most reliable, a motor with all those components and factors, very well can be an expensive nightmare if and/or when things go wrong.

park423

He probably wants you to buy the current model now instead of waiting a few months and possibly not coming back to him. So he falsely says there is no point in waiting as the car will not be available until 2013. From what I heard, it will be 2012 model year along with a new V6 in the E350 and C350 and the C300 will become the C250. I however prefer the NA V8.

RJC

I've researched this probably more than many around here and it's a full go for the new engines in the W212 etc The engine is already in the 11CL550 and I wrote a short review on the new engine in the MY 2012 thread here.

aceman

no - that's not it...i've got a history w/ hime & the dealership - there is no pressure - period. He said he heard it from a exec at HQ just last week...matter of fact told me to check out hte 2012 cls550 4 matic w/ the new engine when it comes out.

As i said, i hope you guys are right!

Aceman

RJC

Read my post just above your last...The new engine is already out in the CL and I've already driven it.

peeta123

mercedes UK doesnt seem to have the new V8 but they do have the new V6. if you look around you can see the new LED lights.
http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...?isflipfocus=1

RJC

MBUK has info on the new engine for the 11 CL500. (to you guys across the pond) and 11CL550 to us

http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...ical_data.html

aceman

Guys -

I'm not looking to start a arguement here - we all know the engine is out, all i am saying is i was told its coming out into the CLS & S first (2012), followed by the E stateside in 2013.
Lets all hope my info is incorrect.

Aceman

peeta123

i wonder why the e500 doesnt have it.

BudC

Frankly, I hope this is true. I'd like to have a 2012 with the M273 engine. The new engine just has too many changes including changes to four ancillaries.

ImInPA

If properly setup and maintained, modern turbos should have quite a respectable lifespan. Turbo Diesels ( the one used in my E350 Bluetec as well as Freightliner vans and the Dodge Sprinter) have earned quite a reputation for longevity, reliability, durability. I feel good about knowing I have an engine in my car that is also pulling duty in commercial trucks. In fact, I just learned the other day that I can get AdBlue from Freightliner for around $5/gal. I think that, whichever way MB goes with the new engines, performance/refinement will be fine. I have not read many posts or reviews that identify the performance of the existing V6 as being poor. Certainly none about the Current V8 having poor performance either.

BudC

Diesels are a different animal all together. In addition, the new 2012 engines have changes to the water pump, alternator, oil pump, timing chains and other things.

The current M273 V8 has a stellar reputation and there really isn't that much difference in fuel economy. Some of the estimated fuel savings come from the start/stop feature and some from changes to the ancillaries. The numbers for the new CL with the M278 engine are 15 and 22, that's no better than the current E550 which is lighter but has better numbers too.

fromthebeginnin

I just talked to my dealer since he knows that I'm considering one, and he also said 2013 for the E but who knows!

park423

To the OP, so were you hoping to get the new V8 TT engine instead of the NA V8?
In general, will we really notice a 1-2 mpg gain in money savings and environmentally, what's the point increasing mpg on low volume/high-end cars, especially like creating a Ferrari hybrid? How will 300 extra hybrid cars in the world decrease our reliance on fossil fuels. How about low cost hybrid or smaller/lighter full-size pick-up trucks (have you seen the size of a new F-150 compared to one 25 years ago?) and leave the exotics alone.

aceman

Park 423,

My wanting the turbo was from what i've read on its fuel consumption. I've seen various reports as low as 10% and as high as 20% (and a couple in between).

My wanting the newer engine is primarily for the added power (i've driven the 5er with the turbo 8, power is available very early in the torque curve primarily due to turbos). The fuel savings is an added benefit - i drive a lot, 25000 miles per year. If (when) gas goes to 4-5.00/gallon, something tells me i will appreciate having a car giving me 25-27 hwy vs. the 19-20 i'm currently getting as it will help offset some of the increase in cost. Also big plus for me is added range to a tank of gas.

I would be all over the diesel w/ the huge torque but no 4matic so that's out.

I've looked at Audi A8 as well - i do want something bigger but at the end of the day I still like my E and figured this would be worth waiting for.

Aceman

LenO

Twin-Tubo engines are a reletively mature technology. There were some comments here suggesting that the new Turbo V8 would be troublesome and less reliable and also more expensive to maintain and repair. I like the added performance and better gas mileage, but is it better to stay with the current V8?

BudC

I'm trying to order a new E550 right now. There is more new technology with the M278 than just the bi-turbos and I don't believe it will get all that much better fuel economy.

From what I'd been able to discover, the current 5.5 liter V8 is one of the smoothest running engines on the planet and it's bullet proof.

I had planned to buy a 2012 but I don't know when I can order one, how much it will cost, what V8 engine will be available and if there are going to be problems with things like the new oil pump, new alternator, new fuel pump and other new technology. There is also the concern that the engine must have low sulfur fuel. I buy name brand fuel but I don't know if I'm going to get fuel from a South American source. The current M273 won't have a problem with bad fuel.

I can get a 2011 E550 at least three months earlier than a 2012 and I'll be able to get more for my '08 E350 because it will still be under warranty.