Originally Posted by Skyline45
(Post 6832980)
...This just simply isn't true... ....
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Originally Posted by mleskovar
(Post 6833253)
But it is...all you need to do is read a Data Card...."SA Code 677 - AvantGarde/Standard Suspension" along with "SA Code 951 - SportPackage USA". The only difference that would affect suspension is "SA R32 - 18" Light Alloy Wheel.."
The W212 facelifted sport suspension may just ride 15mm lower than the comfort suspension--but when you combine it with the larger wheels and, apparently, somewhat different steering feel, the result is a different vehicle. Not to mention that some of us prefer a standing star :-) |
Originally Posted by mcbc220
(Post 6833313)
...The W212 facelifted sport suspension may just ride 15mm lower than the comfort suspension--but when you combine it with the larger wheels and, apparently, somewhat different steering feel, the result is a different vehicle. Not to mention that some of us prefer a standing star :-)
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The Sports versions ride lower than the Luxury. Probably a combination of factors, including the wheels and tires. But I do know my Luxury versions has cleared every sidewalk, curb, parking block, etc. I have pulled up to since I first got it.
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Originally Posted by mleskovar
(Post 6833721)
Yes, the wider and narrower sidewall tires gives it a decidedly sportier feel but the only thing "lower" about the sport trim is the body work. The axles height is the same. I still maintain that the springs are identical for the sport and luxury trim and they achieve the so called "sports suspension tuning" solely with the wheel differences on the facelift.
E-Class Sport Wagons feature springs and shock absorbers tuned for sharper handling response and a more aggressive stance" ^https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/build/standard_features/modal/class-E/model-E350S4/allStandardFeatures-true^ Under "Performance and Handling" there is an option to receive the "Sport-tuned Suspension" or the "AGILITY CONTROL Suspension". ^https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/model/class-E/model-E350W#!layout=/vehicles/model/packages&class=E&model=E350W&waypoint=model-packages^ Oh also, "Optional Sport Styling Package: -Sport stylingTwo-bar grille with integrated Star -Sport-tuned suspension -18-inch twin 5-spoke alloy wheels -Brushed aluminum pedals" And "-Sport styling- Bold wheels and aggressive body detailing highlight the thoroughbred performance of the Sport Sedans. The double-slatted grille incorporates the legendary Star, reflecting its place among the most sporty models in its family. The sport-tuned suspension gives it a confident stance, set off by more pronounced sculpting of its bumpers and side sills. Inside the cabin, crisp white gauge faces express its more performance-focused character." ^All of these excerpts are from the MBUSA website. Oh, also there is this as well, which I believe you were trying to refer too: https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a784681582.png |
Originally Posted by El Cid
(Post 6833982)
The Sports versions ride lower than the Luxury. Probably a combination of factors, including the wheels and tires. But I do know my Luxury versions has cleared every sidewalk, curb, parking block, etc. I have pulled up to since I first got it.
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Originally Posted by Skyline45
(Post 6834055)
"Sport-tuned suspension......
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a784681582.png..... |
More than the air dam
Originally Posted by mleskovar
(Post 6834338)
The reason is the air dam is lower with the sport. It has nothing to do with the tires. 17" Luxury and 18" Sport tires have the same radius/diameter achieved by different tire aspect ratio.
My 2010 came with a "Comfort Suspension" as part of the Luxury version. |
Originally Posted by mleskovar
(Post 6834349)
Show me a Data Sheet that shows "Sports Suspension" along with "USA Sports Package".
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...5aa72d6941.png Data Card from a W212 Sport: https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...fd5de88b89.jpg |
Originally Posted by El Cid
(Post 6834809)
Must be more than the air dam because it also clears the panel under the engine on the bottom of the car.
My 2010 came with a "Comfort Suspension" as part of the Luxury version. |
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Originally Posted by Skyline45
(Post 6834903)
Data Card from my W212 Luxury:Data Card from a W212 Sport:
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Originally Posted by mleskovar
(Post 6835301)
Years? What are the SA code and description for the different suspensions? Part number doesn't necessarily mean it's a different function part. Mercedes notes any changes (even protective finish) with a unique part number.....could be anything. Or it could be something. Here's my data sheet. Note SA codes 677 and 951.
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Originally Posted by MBNUT1
(Post 6835325)
Mine is a luxury and it has package 485 which is comfort running gear. Yours doesn't. From this and driving both and consumer reports comments I conclude that there is a difference between the luxury and sport suspensions.
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You know after going over this thread for weeks, i am going to stick with the factory 17s. My W212 feels like I am driving on clouds, and I do not want to lose that.
Just food for thought, these are factory MB W212 tire sizes. 245/45/17 have 4.3" of rubber 245/40/18 have 3.9" 245/35/19 have 3.4" 275/30/19 have 3.2" So, 17 inch wheels have just about 25% more rubber and cushion than 19s, that is pretty dramatic for a heavy vehicle. |
Pretty informative thread. But what's the verdict? Is the suspension really different or they visually lowered the car by adding the air dams and sidewalls? Is there a real difference in the ride height as measured from the "axle'?
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Originally Posted by mleskovar
(Post 6835346)
FWD vs. RWD the suspensions should be different. After seeing parts of Skyline45 Datacards it looks like there may not be standard information to even judge by. What does your data sheet look like for a '10?
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Originally Posted by Diesel #2
(Post 6835355)
You know after going over this thread for weeks, i am going to stick with the factory 17s. My W212 feels like I am driving on clouds, and I do not want to lose that.
So, 17 inch wheels have just about 25% more rubber and cushion than 19s, that is pretty dramatic for a heavy vehicle. |
My Data Card shows SA Code 485 for Comfort Running Gear. No mention of suspension, springs, etc.
In 2009, CR tested the 2010 Sports version and was very critical of the ride and comfort compared to the previous W211. A year of so later, they tested one with the Luxury version and were impressed with the ride and comfort levels. |
Originally Posted by mleskovar
(Post 6835301)
Years? What are the SA code and description for the different suspensions?
"485 for Comfort Running Gear" |
Originally Posted by ash_cpe
(Post 4631688)
You read my mind. Agreed 100%. Sometimes I think about downgrading to 17" to get a better ride.
Regards |
Originally Posted by danielhj
(Post 8468875)
Hey! 10 years later I come to ask, did you do it? I'm thinking about doing the same to my current 2014 e400 which has a harsh ride when road is not perfect.
Regards My 2011 E250 Avantgarde comes with 225/45/17 rims, l changed them to 225/55/16, with tire pressure down to 33(F)/31/(R), the ride is definitely softer. ln case you might want to know, l changed the springs as well, from 677(Avantgrade) to 485 (Comfort), the taller springs also help making the ride softer too. |
Thank you for your feedback Dingo.
I think I'll go with smaller wheel size (from staggered 18's to square 17's) and a softer tire. I'm currently on Michelin Pilot Sports 4 and while they perform great they're kind of noisy too. Then I'll consider replacing as well since I have the sport package. I hope this helps cause even I love my car's ride and handling on perfect roads, It's a nightmare on rough or broken pavement, it's already developing cracking noises on door panels and somewhere on dash. I'm even considering switching to something like a Lexus ES :( Thanks for your input, is very valuable. |
Originally Posted by Dingo L
(Post 8469573)
I would share my experience to you.
My 2011 E250 Avantgarde comes with 225/45/17 rims, l changed them to 225/55/16, with tire pressure down to 33(F)/31/(R), the ride is definitely softer. ln case you might want to know, l changed the springs as well, from 677(Avantgrade) to 485 (Comfort), the taller springs also help making the ride softer too. the 16's won't fit over the larger front brakes on US model W212 E350's and such. |
Originally Posted by Left Coast Geek
(Post 8469931)
the 16's won't fit over the larger front brakes on US model W212 E350's and such.
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Originally Posted by danielhj
(Post 8469892)
Thank you for your feedback Dingo.
I think I'll go with smaller wheel size (from staggered 18's to square 17's) and a softer tire. I'm currently on Michelin Pilot Sports 4 and while they perform great they're kind of noisy too. Then I'll consider replacing as well since I have the sport package. I believe the first step to go is changing the rims with 'softer' tires first, and with lower tire pressure. You will get a better ride I'm pretty sure. Changing suspension is the ultimate step. Get a 485 (Comfort) setup and you'll further improve the ride quality. Good luck |
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