New '12 E350 or '11 E550
06-04-2011, 07:56 PM
#26
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Valley of the Sun, Arizona
Posts: 1,794
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
2 Posts
2011 E550, 2013 GLK
90 degree engines will have balance shafts to smooth out the engine. Where you might find a difference is at idle or with the sound of the engine.
06-05-2011, 12:30 AM
#27
MBWorld Fanatic!
Unfortunately, this is yet another statistic that has yet to be elevated above the speculation stage, it seems. Here's Benzonly.com's take re the U.S. 2012 Coupe/Cab, dated June 1, 2011:
"2012 E-Class Coupe and Cabriolet specifications:
E350 Coupe and Cabriolet:
I do think some of these Benz websites are getting their stats twisted and we won't know until we know.
"2012 E-Class Coupe and Cabriolet specifications:
E350 Coupe and Cabriolet:
- New Direct Injection 3.5 Liter V6 motor;
- 302 Horsepower, 273 lb-ft of Torque;
- New 7G-TRONIC PLUS 7-Speed Automatic Transmission;
- Acceleration from 0 to 60 MPH - 6.1 seconds (6.3 Cabriolet);
- Rear Wheel Drive;
- Fuel Economy: 18 mpg - City, 27 mpg - Highway (18/26 Cabriolet);
- Turning Circle: 35.3 ft;
- Engine Block Angle: 60 degrees.
- New Direct Injection 4.6L Bi-Turbo V8 motor;
- 402 Horsepower, 443 lb-ft of Torque;
- New 7G-TRONIC PLUS 7-Speed Automatic Transmission;
- Acceleration from 0 to 60 MPH - 4.9 seconds (5.0 Cabriolet);
- Rear Wheel Drive;
- Fuel Economy: 16 mpg - City, 24 mpg - Highway (16/23 Cabriolet);
- Turning Circle: 35.3 ft;
- Engine Block Angle: 90 degrees."
I do think some of these Benz websites are getting their stats twisted and we won't know until we know.
FYI, the current E550 cab is 15/22 hardly much of an improvement for the 12's other than power.
Last edited by RJC; 06-05-2011 at 12:50 AM.
06-05-2011, 11:22 AM
#28
Super Member
Wow! I hope this benzonly info is incorrect as 16/23 for the new 12 550 Cab is weak considering the similarly portly XKR Cab with 510 HP is 15/22 and with a 6 speed auto vs a 7 speed for the 12 550.
FYI, the current E550 cab is 15/22 hardly much of an improvement for the 12's other than power.
FYI, the current E550 cab is 15/22 hardly much of an improvement for the 12's other than power.
Over the past 2-3 months I've read it both ways on various websites. That is, even without lean burn and start-stop efficiency should increase approx. 20% vs. only a small efficiency increase as cited by benzonly.
My gut feeling is that early discrepencies between the websites may have been due to some of them not knowing about or accounting for the differences between the way the Euro and U.S. motors are equipped.
The Benzonly info is disturbing in that the differences are now widely acknowledged and their posting is June 1 - the latest. Doesn't guarantee its accurate, but it sure tilts in that direction.
Re your pending XKR, 15/22 is great for a motor with all that testosterone!
Please promise you won't desert mbworld.org after you get her RJC. I've got another 2,360 questions to ask you.
Seriously, can't wait to see the pix.
Al
06-05-2011, 01:33 PM
#29
MBWorld Fanatic!
Thanks Al. I'll still be around for sure. Even though we all may banter a bit with one another at times it's a great group of people. I will post lots of pics when the car comes in, just a the mercy of the Jag rep right now...argh! Still love the E Cab, it's a great car for the money.
06-06-2011, 09:32 AM
#30
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
车子
i'm a little weary about airmatic suspension, i've heard horror stories, but as with most of my vehicles, i dont keep them long term (lease or buy). so hopefully it craps out after my ownership.
Also, If it's a 20% increase in MPG, that puts it at about 20mpg city. thats pretty good.
Also, If it's a 20% increase in MPG, that puts it at about 20mpg city. thats pretty good.
06-06-2011, 10:44 PM
#31
MBWorld Fanatic!
i'm a little weary about airmatic suspension, i've heard horror stories, but as with most of my vehicles, i dont keep them long term (lease or buy). so hopefully it craps out after my ownership.
Also, If it's a 20% increase in MPG, that puts it at about 20mpg city. thats pretty good.
Also, If it's a 20% increase in MPG, that puts it at about 20mpg city. thats pretty good.
06-07-2011, 09:22 AM
#32
Super Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 908
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes
on
13 Posts
2016 Audi S8 Plus/ 2011 Mercedes e550 4Matic//Gone:1985 500SEL/2000 e320 4Matic/ 2001 e55 Kleeman
i'm a little weary about airmatic suspension, i've heard horror stories, but as with most of my vehicles, i dont keep them long term (lease or buy). so hopefully it craps out after my ownership.
Also, If it's a 20% increase in MPG, that puts it at about 20mpg city. thats pretty good.
Also, If it's a 20% increase in MPG, that puts it at about 20mpg city. thats pretty good.
06-07-2011, 07:06 PM
#33
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
车子
So which way are you leaning? At this point, I would be inclined to wait for the new e350 unless you got a killer deal on an e550, unless the performance is important and you really want airmatic. If you live in an area with generally good roads, the airmatic could be a nice feature. If the roads are generally crappy, especially in the winter, then my feeling is that the airmatic is a mixed bag(not even factoring in reliability and repair costs), I personally would prefer a good standard suspension overall. If you go e550, then I would start nosing around but the deals may get better as we move forward. I bought my e550 in December and got $7,500 off MSRP. Some other members did even better with year end sales. Good luck. Regards. Ned.
06-07-2011, 07:39 PM
#34
Senior Member
With the news of the "refreshed" E350 coming out in October with the following changes:
-Model line features more fuel-efficient 7-speed automatic transmission, new steering wheels, color instrument cluster display and standard LED DRL's, media interface moved to center console.
-E350 Sport/Luxury new direct-injection V6 engine (302 hp, 273 lb-ft) and available 4MATIC all-wheel-drive.
would any of you consider getting the outgoing E550 model? because it'll probably be about the same pricing wise, and with dealers being more aggressive to get rid of the older models.
The current E is still a great vehicle, but 17/24 MPG (which is about the same as the V8) really sucks.
-Model line features more fuel-efficient 7-speed automatic transmission, new steering wheels, color instrument cluster display and standard LED DRL's, media interface moved to center console.
-E350 Sport/Luxury new direct-injection V6 engine (302 hp, 273 lb-ft) and available 4MATIC all-wheel-drive.
would any of you consider getting the outgoing E550 model? because it'll probably be about the same pricing wise, and with dealers being more aggressive to get rid of the older models.
The current E is still a great vehicle, but 17/24 MPG (which is about the same as the V8) really sucks.
The problem is I don't think you can get it for the same price...
The reason I got E350 is because its residual value is a lot higher than E550, so it makes huge difference in lease monthly payment. If I would buy E-Class to keep, I would probably go for E550, but to lease - E350 makes a lot more sense...
Regarding 60 degree engine block angle; it will be only on V6 engines, not on V8's...
06-08-2011, 04:07 PM
#35
Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 95
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
2011 Mercedes E550 4M, 2003 BMW X5 4.4i
0-60 in 4.9 secs for the 2012 E550 coupe??? That's only 0.1 second faster than the 2010 and 2011 models. I expected better figures considering the new turbo-charged engine, though, the mileage has been improved by 1 mpg for both city and highway. Not much of an improvement over the previous generation engines and turbo engines are harder to maintain than naturally-aspirated engines.
06-08-2011, 08:28 PM
#38
MBWorld Fanatic!
06-09-2011, 06:10 PM
#39
Super Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 908
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes
on
13 Posts
2016 Audi S8 Plus/ 2011 Mercedes e550 4Matic//Gone:1985 500SEL/2000 e320 4Matic/ 2001 e55 Kleeman
I haven't had any reliability issues with the airmatic. My issues have been with what I consider its shortcomings, that is its performance over rough roads and how it handles potholes, with a major jolt and thud, as if the suspension runs out of travel too soon. With 18 inch rims, you are way more suseptible to blowouts, of which I had a double going toward the Lincoln Tunnel right before the tole booths in February. I attribute the high incidence of blowouts with the e550's and the s550's to a combination of low profile tires in combination with the airmatic suspension that doesn't give enough on impact. As I said, it is a good sport suspension, many owners love it and don't agree with my negative assessments. Regards. Ned.
