Keyless Go - without ignition button
12-08-2014, 09:48 AM
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No keyless go equipped car starts without your foot on the brake. I wanted you to see that your KG button had additional functions with YOUR FOOT OFF THE BRAKE. You never did what I asked you to do did you?
You spew lots of misinformation in this thread and these cars are mostly born equal unless you are the buyer it appears.
You spew lots of misinformation in this thread and these cars are mostly born equal unless you are the buyer it appears.
I don't need a lecture from you pal.
12-08-2014, 10:21 AM
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Fair enough, but if you know so much without reading the manuals of all of your multi benzs you should not try to educate new owner's with false information. I have yet to hear another KG owner who can get their car to lock by simply walking away from it.
12-08-2014, 10:24 AM
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The closest functionality I know of can be set from the settings on gauge cluster, in which there is an automatic lock, but I believe it is based on time, not key fob distance.
12-08-2014, 10:27 AM
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12-08-2014, 10:38 AM
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The automatic lock in the cluster menu is only for the locking function when you start driving. When your speed is at about 7 mph the doors will lock.
12-08-2014, 10:53 AM
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Automatic central locking activates when vehicle is in motion (approximately 9 mph) you use lock/unlock buttons to activate/deactivate, submenu to turn feature on/off.
12-08-2014, 12:45 PM
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Keyed post, got distracted by a call, submitted - noka & Arrie had already posted. 
12-14-2014, 01:59 PM
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OK
Ok, so I have to eat some crow and apologize for my comments.
I found the article that suggested the system would lock the doors if the key was taken some distance away from the car. It was not MB specific so I erred. My apologies. The loss of signal is not programmed into these cars but I wonder if it can be.
As to the auto lock, I think you would agree that there is an element of that involved. If the car is locked, you put your hand behind the handle with your key in your pocket or touch the pad the doors will unlock. IF you do not open the door the doors will relock automatically. Mine takes about 30 sec to do so
As to the button there is more to it than being a button. I misunderstood your three function comment.
Yes if you push it once it will turn on the IP and allow the Comand to start. And if you push it a second time the function light test on the IP comes up and of course the third push with foot on the brake starts the car.
However, if you push a soft blunt rod into the slot for the key or button with the key in your pocket, the flap moves in on the left side but nothing happens. The system needs to match the rolling code established when the car is shut off which as I have been told is done through electronic connection between the ignition switch and the key. With the key in your pocket there has to be an RF match between the key and the button to do that would it not?
I found the article that suggested the system would lock the doors if the key was taken some distance away from the car. It was not MB specific so I erred. My apologies. The loss of signal is not programmed into these cars but I wonder if it can be.
As to the auto lock, I think you would agree that there is an element of that involved. If the car is locked, you put your hand behind the handle with your key in your pocket or touch the pad the doors will unlock. IF you do not open the door the doors will relock automatically. Mine takes about 30 sec to do so
As to the button there is more to it than being a button. I misunderstood your three function comment.
Yes if you push it once it will turn on the IP and allow the Comand to start. And if you push it a second time the function light test on the IP comes up and of course the third push with foot on the brake starts the car.
However, if you push a soft blunt rod into the slot for the key or button with the key in your pocket, the flap moves in on the left side but nothing happens. The system needs to match the rolling code established when the car is shut off which as I have been told is done through electronic connection between the ignition switch and the key. With the key in your pocket there has to be an RF match between the key and the button to do that would it not?
12-15-2014, 12:32 PM
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Hey Alex. Thanks for coming back and sharing your observations. Yes, the doors will auto lock if you do not open a door in a certain amount of time. This is common with all car manufacturers that I know and has been a standard for many years. It is there to prevent an inadvertent pressing of the unlock button on the fob to protect your vehicle and its contents.
Thank you for checking to see that the button has additional uses other than to just start the car. If you want to adjust settings you can do this without having to start the car by pressing the button twice to energize the controls. i do this often as I am checking tire pressures and other options without running the car.
You are absolutely correct about the key making its authorized connection to the starter switch in the car. My knowledge of the button's function though still is different from yours. If you pull it out and look at it you will see that it has a spring loaded pushing function and tabs that secure it when inserted into the key slot. What it doesn't have, to the best of my knowledge, is any electronic guts that relay any information from the key to the starter switch.
This authorization from the key to the starter switch is enabled as soon as the key enters the car and is recognized.
Thank you for checking to see that the button has additional uses other than to just start the car. If you want to adjust settings you can do this without having to start the car by pressing the button twice to energize the controls. i do this often as I am checking tire pressures and other options without running the car.
You are absolutely correct about the key making its authorized connection to the starter switch in the car. My knowledge of the button's function though still is different from yours. If you pull it out and look at it you will see that it has a spring loaded pushing function and tabs that secure it when inserted into the key slot. What it doesn't have, to the best of my knowledge, is any electronic guts that relay any information from the key to the starter switch.
This authorization from the key to the starter switch is enabled as soon as the key enters the car and is recognized.
12-15-2014, 12:50 PM
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There is a certain logic to that argument. The issue for me is when I look at the key slot it looks exactly the same as my 2009 W211 and my 2003 W211.
It all works.
I am going to explore whether the car can be programmed to auto lock on loss of radio signal from the key. Not sure if I would do it but curious to know.
It all works.
I am going to explore whether the car can be programmed to auto lock on loss of radio signal from the key. Not sure if I would do it but curious to know.
12-15-2014, 02:24 PM
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Hey Alex. Thanks for coming back and sharing your observations. Yes, the doors will auto lock if you do not open a door in a certain amount of time. This is common with all car manufacturers that I know and has been a standard for many years. It is there to prevent an inadvertent pressing of the unlock button on the fob to protect your vehicle and its contents.
Thank you for checking to see that the button has additional uses other than to just start the car. If you want to adjust settings you can do this without having to start the car by pressing the button twice to energize the controls. i do this often as I am checking tire pressures and other options without running the car.
You are absolutely correct about the key making its authorized connection to the starter switch in the car. My knowledge of the button's function though still is different from yours. If you pull it out and look at it you will see that it has a spring loaded pushing function and tabs that secure it when inserted into the key slot. What it doesn't have, to the best of my knowledge, is any electronic guts that relay any information from the key to the starter switch.
This authorization from the key to the starter switch is enabled as soon as the key enters the car and is recognized.
Thank you for checking to see that the button has additional uses other than to just start the car. If you want to adjust settings you can do this without having to start the car by pressing the button twice to energize the controls. i do this often as I am checking tire pressures and other options without running the car.
You are absolutely correct about the key making its authorized connection to the starter switch in the car. My knowledge of the button's function though still is different from yours. If you pull it out and look at it you will see that it has a spring loaded pushing function and tabs that secure it when inserted into the key slot. What it doesn't have, to the best of my knowledge, is any electronic guts that relay any information from the key to the starter switch.
This authorization from the key to the starter switch is enabled as soon as the key enters the car and is recognized.
you say you check tire pressure by just pressing the start button without starting it. I understand you drive a 2010 E550 like I do.
In my car when I go to tire pressure right after I start up and start driving I get the message saying that tire pressure will be available after a few minutes of driving, which is true. It actually takes only a minute or so.
You know if they changed this behavior on later 2010 models? Mine was built in June 2009.
Last edited by Arrie; 12-15-2014 at 02:28 PM.
12-15-2014, 03:36 PM
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Tire Pressures
I don't check my pressures in the system all that often. I usually check them manually with a gauge once a month and then reset the system after about 15 minutes of driving. From there I use it as an early warning device.
It is logical they may have built in a delay so that the tire comes up to operating temperature before it checks.
It is logical they may have built in a delay so that the tire comes up to operating temperature before it checks.
12-15-2014, 05:27 PM
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Why would you consider checking tire pressure after driving as "logical", when you are supposed to adjust the pressure when "cold"? After you start driving, the pressure "is what it is" & those cold pressure settings are specified to compensate for that heating while driving. Being in the sun will also cause variations. After driving, the readings are available so you can tell if something gets out of whack. If the tires are inflated for the specified readings when "hot", they are underinflated.
12-15-2014, 07:18 PM
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I don't check my pressures in the system all that often. I usually check them manually with a gauge once a month and then reset the system after about 15 minutes of driving. From there I use it as an early warning device.
It is logical they may have built in a delay so that the tire comes up to operating temperature before it checks.
It is logical they may have built in a delay so that the tire comes up to operating temperature before it checks.
Instead, the TPMS on Canadian vehicles relies on rotational differences in speed to determine if a tire is losing pressure. When that occurs, a "check tire pressures soon" message will flash in red or a even more alarming warning will occur in the event of a major loss in pressure. After a loss of tire pressure has been restored, then a short drive is required to reset the TPMS.
Maybe it's time to get back to the OP's thread on Keyless Go ?
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12-15-2014, 08:12 PM
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I didn't make myself clear.
We have to set pressures manually and the system monitors pressure loss as DerekASC has noted. We do not get an absolute pressure reading.
My point was that since you set pressures cold perhaps your TPMS waits for the pressures to stabilize at road temperatures before becoming available.
We have to set pressures manually and the system monitors pressure loss as DerekASC has noted. We do not get an absolute pressure reading.
My point was that since you set pressures cold perhaps your TPMS waits for the pressures to stabilize at road temperatures before becoming available.
12-15-2014, 09:31 PM
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Not sure if you understand the type of TPMS that is installed in Canadian production MBs (W204/05 & W211/212) ? Unlike the US MBs, our cars do not have electronic sensors that measure the individual pressures of all four tires. Therefore, you cannot call up via command to 'read' the pressures of all four tires.
Instead, the TPMS on Canadian vehicles relies on rotational differences in speed to determine if a tire is losing pressure. When that occurs, a "check tire pressures soon" message will flash in red or a even more alarming warning will occur in the event of a major loss in pressure. After a loss of tire pressure has been restored, then a short drive is required to reset the TPMS.
Maybe it's time to get back to the OP's thread on Keyless Go ?
Instead, the TPMS on Canadian vehicles relies on rotational differences in speed to determine if a tire is losing pressure. When that occurs, a "check tire pressures soon" message will flash in red or a even more alarming warning will occur in the event of a major loss in pressure. After a loss of tire pressure has been restored, then a short drive is required to reset the TPMS.
Maybe it's time to get back to the OP's thread on Keyless Go ?
12-15-2014, 10:22 PM
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I didn't make myself clear.
We have to set pressures manually and the system monitors pressure loss as DerekASC has noted. We do not get an absolute pressure reading.
My point was that since you set pressures cold perhaps your TPMS waits for the pressures to stabilize at road temperatures before becoming available.
We have to set pressures manually and the system monitors pressure loss as DerekASC has noted. We do not get an absolute pressure reading.
My point was that since you set pressures cold perhaps your TPMS waits for the pressures to stabilize at road temperatures before becoming available.
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12-15-2014, 10:26 PM
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Yes, it's a much simpler system that relies upon change in rotation speeds. A deflating or flat tire rotates slightly slower than a properly inflated tire. The sensors, incorporated with the brakes, are designed to measure this difference, then signal this change to the driver with a 'red' dash warning.
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12-15-2014, 11:55 PM
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It's true for Canadian models. When the system detects a loss in tire pressure, the instrument cluster beeps and reads "Check tire pressure" in red. We cannot get an individual pressure reading for each tire like in the American models.
12-16-2014, 08:17 AM
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Yes, it's a much simpler system that relies upon change in rotation speeds. A deflating or flat tire rotates slightly slower than a properly inflated tire. The sensors, incorporated with the brakes, are designed to measure this difference, then signal this change to the driver with a 'red' dash warning.
Wonder how it works for a housewife who don't know that a sudden temperature drop of say 30 C can severely under inflate all tires. This system would have hard time to know all tires are low.
