CarolinaBluetec

The "stuff" is hardly free, It is just added in to the cost of the service. Besides forums are made to express many things and share information. "Whining" is one of them.

The G Man

The quality of the new C-class is actually pretty good when compare to the BMW 3 series. Try sitting inside a new 3 series, again the ugly ipad screen, plastic panels everywhere, exterior paint color exposed in the interior, the whole car just feels cheap.

Airmousam

I didn't mind my C300 loaner, I actually like the ipad screen, visibility is excellent with that location and it's a lot clearer that my 6 y/o screen. Lack of power would be my only complaint, but understandable being used to V-8's

pamiboy

My sentiments exactly. I was given C classes and GLA on occasions. Sure they are not on par to E class, but hey it's a Mercedes you are able to drive for "free" (Not availing the loaner would not make the service any cheaper while under warranty ... Therefore I consider it free).

El Cid

I had a Hyundai with leather seats for over two years. No wear, discoloration or anything. In fact, no problems at all - just traded because I wanted an MB. The Hyundai was evaluated by an MB dealer, a Lexus Dealer, an Infiniti dealer, Carmax and a couple of others. None of them found any problems at all.
Why did your B-I-L's car need three months worth of repairs? That sounds pretty bad to me, especially if the shop was going to provide a loaner.
An indy who provides brand new $40,000 cars as loaners? That has to be unusual.

pamiboy

Ha ha. That was funny.

beejAMG

its ok to whine, but to whine about something thats good, like being given a "free loan car" when you go in for service, (like Pamiboy said, they dont give you a discount if you dont take the loan car so in my books, its free), and something thats been whined about for nearly 2 years now, thats something else. theres no pleasing you...you know what they say about whiners...


this coming from a guy who loves his hyundai more than anything else. and why did you trade it with an MB you say? you wanted that "ive made it feeling" do ya?

when the time comes that driving your precious hyundai gives you the same feeling when you drive your MB, then you start comparing the two. until then...

doesnt matter what critics say, some hyundais have better quality than MB or even at par blah blah blah.. lol does it give you the same good ol feel when you drive it compared to your MB? you can stack 10 "at par to MB" hyundais on top of each other and drive it but still wont give you the "feel good" feeling (sounds very redundant, just like this thread is) when you drive an MB.

nice...just in time for your mardigras?

blegthbloo

Fat Tuesday was about a month ago, mate. So, no. But St. Patty's day is coming up and green compliments my eyes.

beejAMG

whatever floats your boat mate

PeterUbers

I had a c300 loaner recently and I get the appeal... The non amg sport version looks terrible from the outside... The interior has that initial appeal until you see how cheese the plastic accoutrements are. Don't like the iPad

I disagree with some of the car rags that stated the c class makes you feel you're in a car costing twice as much

For the money I think it's reasonable but agree with above comment at that previous gen c class seemed built better and more Benz

El Cid

Can you read? My posts have clearly referred to the Hyundai I owned (that means in the past) and never said I currently own one.
As many others do, I compare my current MB to other makes, but you obviously really, really hate Hyundai. Almost as much as you hate anybody who makes a negative comment re: MB's.
All you have to do is look at the many professional reviews and sites that collect reliability information. Hyundai does better than MB overall.
As for why I traded it in on an MB, I wanted a prestige, luxury car. MB E350 was the best choice for me. Anyone who is honest is going to admit the badge is a major part of the decision, whether it is MB, BMW, Lexus, Land Rover, Jaquar, Cadillac, etc. MB capitalizes on that. Look at the TV and print ads introducing the CLA and GLA. Own an MB for less than $30,000.
Incidentally, "wanted that "ive made it feeling" do ya?" should have read wanted...did ya?, not do you.

The G Man

If reliability is a big concerned, you should probably buy a Lexus, not a Mercedes. To be Honest, I did not buy my Mercedes because of a badge. I usually buy certain cars based on my needs and wants. Personally, I think it is kind of silly to buy a Mercedes just for the fact that it is a Mercedes. If I thought Hyundai was a better car than my Mercedes, I would have bought a Hyundai and would not care about the badge.

beejAMG

Well somebodys feelings got hurt. Lol

Can you read? I never said you still own a ****box, i asked why you traded it meaning you dont have it anymore. Its like an ex girlfriend you cant forget! you keep talking about her! lol

You always say hyundai is better and yet you traded it in for an "inferior MB"? You must be the village idiot. If i thought hyndai was better id be driving that and not my MBs. And what about that ad youre talking about? All car makers has one of those? Or maybe your beloved hyundai does not.

If i had a dollar everytime you post somewhere between the lines of your "much loved hyundai is better than MB", i would be a rich man. Everytime you see a thread where theres just a slight chance that you can compare your stupid genesis to an MB, you get too excited! I really think youre just trolling this site for that. Now i asked you this the last time we had this conversation about "your hyundai is better than MB", you dont secretly work for hyundai, do ya? Is my grammar correct now? Lol

Who gives a **** about what others say? I buy my car because i like it, not because others say its good. If you believe everything you hear or read, you probably believe in aliens too.

If you love your genesis so much, why dont you marry it? Ill take care of the wedding car....a shiny Mercedes. Ill just tow your precious hyundai behind.

And for the record, i dont hate hyundai, matter of fact i admire it. but not when you say its better than my MBs. its like saying a high school bball team can beat the Lakers.

El Cid

You are correct in that your feelings got hurt, as they do everytime someone compares a car more favorably to an MB.
You still haven't got it correct. I DO NOT OWN A HYUNDAI!!! As I have posted before, I do not work for Hyundai or any automotive company of any kind.
Never said Hyundai was better than MB. Have said that they have a better warranty and some features are better than MB's.
As for the wedding trip, that is too much to ask - just send me a check.
I mention my previous Hyundai only to establish that I have had actual experience with the brand.
As for the MB ad, naturally the mid-price and low-price cars are going to advertise low cost for their cars. The point is that MB has brought lower priced MB's to USA and is trying to get people to purchase them because of the low price (relatively) for an MB - badge and all.
Don't know what is happening down under.
I still like my E350 and plan to keep it quite a while longer. People come here for information and just trying to share what I have learned.
Incidentally, I had a hell of an R&R in Sydney during the Vietnam war. Ironically I was able to repay the favor by providing food and other sundry items to the Aussies and Kiwis that ran a hospital near my duty location in Vietnam. They took care of Vietnamese civilians, many children, that had been injured in the war. A real tragedy.

beejAMG

and thats relevant to our conversation....HOW?

lol dude, for the nth time, i know you dont have a hyundai NOW but HAD one. hence i said "like the ex-girlfriend that you cant forget" you with me?

sometimes im not sure if youre lying or really dont know what youre writing...now youre saying "you never said hyundai is better" and yet you seem to agree with your so-called experts when they say this...

mate, just to end this stupid thing, you seem pretty sorry when you "downgraded" from hyundai to MB, why dont you "upgrade" back and trade your MB to lets say........3 hyundais?

El Cid

I'm done with responding. If you don't understand, you never will.
Happy Motoring!

beejAMG

^till the next thread where you can slip your "hyundai is better than MB" again....
im sure youre lurking for that chance now and i have a feeling it wont be too long. lol

The G Man

I recall a few years ago, a friend of mine and I went into a local Hyundai dealership to look at the new Genesis. I was shopping for a new car at the time and wanted to check out the new Genesis, it sure look good more paper and got lots of good reviews. It was a mid summer afternoon, as soon as we walked into the Hyundai dealership, a wave of hot air hit us. We came to learn later that the air conditioning had broken down earlier in the day. The environment inside the dealership was unpleasant to say the least. There was a lot of unhappy customers inside with sweat rolling down their forehead. We try to make our visit as short as possible, we grabbed a salesman quickly and went for a test drive. The salesman did not know much about the car, he could not answer most of my questions and the one that he did answered were not correct. We came to learn later that he was layoff as an electrician just 4 weeks ago and somehow he decided to become a Hyundai salesman, I am not sure how he got the job with no sales experience. When I shop for a car, usually I pick a car based on the car itself and not the dealership, otherwise, all my cars would be a Lexus In this case, I could never picture myself ever dealing with a dealership like this. Not only was the facility uncomfortable, but the staff was not probably trained. In my opinion, the Hyundai Genesis is a nice car, but if Hyundai ever want to be taken seriously as a luxury car maker, they need to create a luxury division with independent dealerships.

El Cid

Your experiences were unfortunate, but not typical. I have visited two different Hyundai dealerships and found both to be both newer and better maintained than the MB, Lexus, Acura and Infiniti dealerships in my area. Also, the local Hyundai dealers fully support the Motor Trend New Car Shows, whereas MB dealers do not. This is a prime way to see many new cars on the local level.
Regardless, Hyundai has already launched the Genesis make (or brand) as their luxury division. First car will be the G-90, which is slightly updated Equus. Next will come the G-80 which will be the updated current Genesis. To be followed by SUV and other models.
They have not determined how to do the dealership issue yet.

El Cid

As your quote shows, I never said Hyundai was better than MB. I said Hyundai has better reliability ratings than MB. Read before you post.
Regardless, you are now on my ignore list.
I suggest you add me to yours and then you won't have to read what I post.
Happy Motoring!

beejAMG

^hyundai lover

thefisch

I thought this thread was about a C300 loaner...

The G Man

I am not sure where you live, but I doubt there are too many Hyundai dealers that are nicer than Lexus dealers. Some of the MB and Lexus dealers around here have their own espresso bar, nail salon and message spa. Hyundai's lack of luxury dealership is the issue I bought up in my last post, not a lack of luxury models.
As a rebuttal to your Hyundai reliability claims, here is the latest JD power reliability rating. As you can see, Hyundai is below average while Mercedes is above average and #12 out of 33 on the list.

beejAMG

it was until good ol EL CID aka "hyundai is better than MB" was able to slip in his argument and change the topic. thats the only thing he's good at anyways.

thats whats he does, lurk around here and wait for somebody to whine about MB and slips his "incidentally, hyundai is making better cars than MB now". line.

El Cid

Personally I never have liked JD Power even though I have often been one of those "surveyed." They seem to have so many qualifiers that almost any product can win an award for something.
The JD Power study you referenced is for 33,560, 2013 vehicles.
Consumer Reports ranked MB below Hyundai in predicted reliability in 2015 and 2016. Predicted reliability is based on reliability reporting by owners for past several years. While there are limitations to CR, it does survey owners of 740,000 vehicles up to 15 years old. One caution about CR if you check out the April issue. To determine who makes the best cars, they combine reliability, CR's road-test score, predicted reliability and % of each makes' models CR recommended purchasing. They have some picky reasons to not recommend some cars.
TreuDelta.com shows MB significantly below Hyundai for 2013-2015.
As for the dealerships, the prestige brands are nicer in the amenities they offer. I was speaking of the newness, cleanliness and other aspects of the buildings. I do not avail myself of the coffees, WiFi, and other items so those things don't interest me.
Perhaps we are misinterpreting each other as regards Hyundai's luxury brand/dealerships. Before you can have a luxury dealership, you have to have a separate luxury brand. Up until now, Hyundai has not had that. The new Genesis brand will do that. They do currently have limitations on which dealers can sell and service the Equus, but that is something else.
There are a lot of considerations before a corporation can launch a separate division/brand. They have to consider the relationships with existing dealerships, the financial soundness of a stand alone luxury dealership and many other things.
But we could have a whole separate thread on comparing and contrasting luxury makes and how to establish them.