2016 COMAND NTG 5s1 (5.1) RETROFIT from NGT4
My 2016 COMAND NTG 5s1 retrofit into my 2010 W207. https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a4&oe=5855C3A4 https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...58&oe=5849E2C4 https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4c&oe=5859B2A7 https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...0b&oe=581B0BF9 https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...55&oe=58178C7A https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f9&oe=585C34A5 https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4e&oe=5814E349 https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...8e&oe=585AAEBF https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...91&oe=5853E037 https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...c2&oe=581A76DB https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b6&oe=58482CD2 https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...3c&oe=585D416D https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a2&oe=584491CE https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...8d&oe=581411ED https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...dc&oe=5848752C https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...c5&oe=584E0895 So??? What 2016 parts was needed SO FAR to do this retrofit from NTG4 to 5s1: 1. Comand 5s1 big version with built in HD navi 2. Screen 3. Video cable to screen 4. Repinning of cables in sockets 5. LAN antenna 6. H/K Amp 7. Camera and cablekit 8. Screen frame 9. New joystick with 4 buttons 10. Pincode 11. Maps with activation code I am experimenting alot with programming and activating of menues. I got the AMG logo to start it of. And alot else so far. So ALL that works now but only PROBLEMS so far: Navigation dont get a speed signal. So maps stop moving when it loses satelites. Media dont showup in cluster. All else show up and work. Radio,Navi.phone... AMG dails, then middle big one dont work. Guess it is also speed signal issue. Camera dont send video :) |
So far when it comes to the speed signal all I can think of is the that it lacks the speed signal in the can bus and how to get it there I dont know right now..Working like hell to figure it out. All sugestions are welcome.
Also the Camera wont work. It activates but just says camera not avalible even though it is there and it is powered up and can be programmed. I wonder if it has to do with the PDC that suddenly can be seen by star diagnose after installing a new front sam. Guess it goes into a different place on the SAM.... |
Dammmm this look great! Good job on getting that retrofitted.
Now I am curious how easy it would be to retrofit this system into a 2012 W204. How much programming did you had to do just to get the Comand system to work properly? |
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This is what I figured out so far of the rear. And the pinout is as I think: 15 2.5mm Red and Blue +12v (20amp fused feed from F26 in front SAM) 12 2.5mm Brown, Ground 11 2.5mm Bround, Ground 9 0.75mm Blue and White. Mute input from E-Call or Telematics 16 0.5mm Blue/Black - MOST Wakeup 14 0.5mm Blue/Green = Wakeup output to the multimedia connection unit 13 Ground for multimedia connection unit BUT not used for codes 505/522/531 - But used if you have Telematics Service Unit 10 0.5mm Ground also goes to the multimedia connection unit the black-12-pin subconnector (Connector C on the wiring diagram), it has 2 CAN connections Body Can (Brown/Red to pin 9, and Brown to pin 3) Telematics Can Black.White to pin 10, and Black to pin 4) 5,6,7,11,12 are the ethernet connection to the diagnostic socket for uploading online-manual from Star Diagnosis Without Telematics CAN the display can not turn on DISPLAY wiring - just in case this has changed Pin 2 = +12v (red/white) Pin 1 = Ground Pin 8 = Telematics can black/white pin 4 = Telematics can black 3,5,6,7 not connected |
Originally Posted by Andriy242
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Dammmm this look great! Good job on getting that retrofitted.
Now I am curious how easy it would be to retrofit this system into a 2012 W204. How much programming did you had to do just to get the Comand system to work properly? Actually the NEEDED programming is just the anti theft pin code. The rest is optional.. |
this is almost too cool to post lol
im liking it a lot. great job |
Originally Posted by Chris The Swede
(Post 6890838)
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This is what I figured out so far of the rear. And the pinout is as I think: 15 2.5mm Red and Blue +12v (20amp fused feed from F26 in front SAM) 12 2.5mm Brown, Ground 11 2.5mm Bround, Ground 9 0.75mm Blue and White. Mute input from E-Call or Telematics 16 0.5mm Blue/Black - MOST Wakeup 14 0.5mm Blue/Green = Wakeup output to the multimedia connection unit 13 Ground for multimedia connection unit BUT not used for codes 505/522/531 - But used if you have Telematics Service Unit 10 0.5mm Ground also goes to the multimedia connection unit the black-12-pin subconnector (Connector C on the wiring diagram), it has 2 CAN connections Body Can (Brown/Red to pin 9, and Brown to pin 3) Telematics Can Black.White to pin 10, and Black to pin 4) 5,6,7,11,12 are the ethernet connection to the diagnostic socket for uploading online-manual from Star Diagnosis Without Telematics CAN the display can not turn on DISPLAY wiring - just in case this has changed Pin 2 = +12v (red/white) Pin 1 = Ground Pin 8 = Telematics can black/white pin 4 = Telematics can black 3,5,6,7 not connected |
You need a new tuner...
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Originally Posted by Chris The Swede
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You need a new tuner...
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Originally Posted by Chris The Swede
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What 2016 parts was needed SO FAR to do this retrofit from NTG4 to 5s1:
9. New joystick with 4 buttons |
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The TV tuner for 5s1 is built in to the radio tuner as an option as I remebered.
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Can you share the costs incurred so far for this upgrade? Looks sweet, plus my screen protector is banged up (scratched due to improper cleaner by prior owner) so maybe this is the motivation I need to do something about it :)
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I am very interested in the swap for my CLS63 w218. I imagine if this works for w212, w218 should be similar. In for costs and fulsome list of parts
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Originally Posted by KLR CLS
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I am very interested in the swap for my CLS63 w218. I imagine if this works for w212, w218 should be similar. In for costs and fulsome list of parts
When I asked retro-fitter in UK if this was possible they said flat out it could not ..."The unit simply wont work. the technology is different and during the installation process the system checks validity of part to chassis and NTG5 came much later. the coding will fail even if we could get it to talk to the car. Also we wouldn't be able to generate map pins as your chassis doesn't tally with an NTg5 car." Given Chris has done the impossible ... He must be incredible talented at hacking the configuration! I have no Idea how he can update the Maps in the future given a map pin cannot be generated, is that perhaps one of the compromises Chris, you have to stay on the factory Maps or have you figured out some way to spoof the original VIN/codes from the car the retrofitted NTG 5.1 came from? I'd love to know how Chris |
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https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...1f&oe=584CDE27 There is no problem getting map pin codes. I updated mine with latest map. Or It would have never worked. |
Originally Posted by gerardtoconnor
(Post 6891492)
I had been looking at this as well (CLS W218) as W212 & W218 have same headunits, Chris helped prove it is possible but its clearly an extremely complex procedure with a lot of re-wiring needed not to mention how he has managed to reprogram and get system to accept all the re-coding.
When I asked retro-fitter in UK if this was possible they said flat out it could not ..."The unit simply wont work. the technology is different and during the installation process the system checks validity of part to chassis and NTG5 came much later. the coding will fail even if we could get it to talk to the car. Also we wouldn't be able to generate map pins as your chassis doesn't tally with an NTg5 car." Given Chris has done the impossible ... He must be incredible talented at hacking the configuration! I have no Idea how he can update the Maps in the future given a map pin cannot be generated, is that perhaps one of the compromises Chris, you have to stay on the factory Maps or have you figured out some way to spoof the original VIN/codes from the car the retrofitted NTG 5.1 came from? I'd love to know how Chris |
Well first I have to get to the USA....;)
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Originally Posted by Chris The Swede
(Post 6891744)
Well first I have to get to the USA....;)
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Humble Thanx but can afford a trip like that. ;)
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Originally Posted by Chris The Swede
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Humble Thanx but can afford a trip like that. ;)
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Thats awesome! I wish someone made kits for stuff like this. I had one hell of a time getting a system to work in my '06 G-500, I cant imagine the splicing and adapters needed for this.
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Will this only work in the FL W204s? Or...is this somehow able to be retrofitted to the Pre FL with the pop-up screen?
NTG4.0 is the Pop-Up Screen on the Pre FL, no? |
It works if the screen fits and I guess it should fit if W204 didnt have a uniqe screen bac then. Still the speed signal problem. But if you dont use navigation you are good. I have 2 units laying around without navigation. They use navi on a SD card instead of built in.
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Originally Posted by Chris The Swede
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It works if the screen fits and I guess it should fit if W204 didnt have a uniqe screen bac then. Still the speed signal problem. But if you dont use navigation you are good. I have 2 units laying around without navigation. They use navi on a SD card instead of built in.
Its a real pity your facing this hurdle on the speed signal, it seems unlikely the existing sensor is incompatible with NTG5.1 interface but have you managed to compare part numbers/spec from 2016 EClass to 2010 EClass to see if speed signal sensor is the same? In relation to getting maps & unit to code correctly, do you need full Xentry/Star tools or is there anyway to code without that equipment through the inbuilt engineering menu or similar? |
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