Leonardick

My 2013 W212 M278 E550 4Matic has 70000 plus miles on it before changing oil I love the have suggestion from Benz people on which type of oil should I use on high mileage engine. Thank you everyone.

zeemob

Can't go wrong with Mobil 1 Formula M 5W-40. It is specifically approved against Mercedes Benz MB-229.5.

Leonardick

Not the 0W-40?

looney100

Mileage shouldn't dictate the viscosity of the oil used. 0W oils are better all-round - both in cold and with heat. Go with a 0W40 that meets the Mb spec. Brand is of lesser importance

Leonardick

[QUOTE=looney100;7376345]Mileage shouldn't dictate the viscosity of the oil used. 0W oils are better all-round - both in cold and with heat. Go with a 0W40 that meets the Mb spec. Brand is of lesser importance[Thank you for the info

Oda112

Depending on where you live and where you want to drive the car, you can have 10,5,0W40 Mobil1 229.5 Spec oil. 10W40 is for Florida, 0w40 is for Canada(or anywhere else for that matter). There's a recommendation table on the first pages of your W212 owner's manual, that should be pretty clarifying, it was for me.

Mud

Not trying to split hairs but I have a hard time calling 70k high mileage. As mentioned the mfg spec oil (and correct filter) should work well for you for many more miles.

May be of interest to you:
Oil Filter

Leonardick

I bought the car used and it did not have the owner manual with it. Thank you much for the infos. It looks like the colder the weather the lesser weight the oil.

kajtek1

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevoli...ets-sort1.html
bookmark the above link and go by what engineers approve, not by what people say in chat room
Even 2-years old manual can be outdated in those times.
I rather stay away from Mobil1 as it generates higher iron, but in US it is easiest to buy.
Walmart has whole line of MB approved Castrol oils.

cetialpha5

Mobil is the preferred supplied by MB, that's why my W211 has a MB sticker recommending Mobil Oil. Some prefer Castrol 0w40 over Mobil 0w40. Castrol 0w40 still has BMW LL-01 certification, but Mobil 1 0w40 lost it in the latest formulation. For that reason, some prefer Castrol over Mobil. As for Mobil 5w40, some consider that a special formula because only Mercedes sells it, it's not normally stocked on the shelves of auto parts stores, but 0w40 would be just as good or better than 5w40, nothing super special about it besides having to go to the MB dealer and paying top dollar for it.

The owner's manual is online:

https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/servi...owners_manuals

aquinob

70,000 is not high miles for that car, I'd stick with the recommended oil which is the 0W-40. I've been using the Mobil 1 version, it meets the MB specs.

Mud

Any oil analysis I've had done w M1 usage has never shown higher iron levels. I've done 5 to date, 3 using M1 5w30 on another vehicle, 2 using 0w40 on my E350.

Easy to buy and inexpensive at wallymart. But just use what the mtg recommends.

kajtek1

So what was your iron?
Funny part - Blackstone adjusted their universal standards
Would have to dig records for exact numbers, but for example - 20 particles of iron was a concern 8 years ago, when today 40 particles in M1 is good.

Oda112

Make sure you use a fleece filter, I use Mann but my next one will be Hengst. They're usually around 10$.



Here's a pic from my vehicle literature, it should be self explanatory

kajtek1

Nope. The manual is at least 3 years old, when 3 years old cellphone is consider dinosaur.
What you think about oil technology change in those 3 years?
Bottom line- read the linked MB sheet every year as this is where updates will show.

Oda112

My cellphone is 3 years old too but it's not a dinosaur, it still lets me open mbworld.org so I can read your constructive posts...
Here's something for you to rummage at (hint: literally nothing changed regarding oil spec withing those 3 years) :

kajtek1

Maybe it did, maybe it didn't.
Wife 4 years old phone goes out of service in couple of months and the server no longer supports it.
My older MB manuals still call for SD class oil as no MB specifications existed at the time.
Than you are looking at one side of the issue. When 229.xx spec might be unchanged, lot of oils could get approved by it in the mean time. That it is possible that some oils loose specification.
The web site will have it all current.

Oda112

You're like a generic mother in law, you must have the last word )
I understand the reasoning behind the old oil specs you're referring to, but you're talking about 30 year old cars and subsequent specifications. Modern cars tend to stick to very similar oil required specs [ the Mobil1 with 229.5 spec is also [s]BMW LL01 (corrected thanks to user cetialpha5 ) and VW spec] so even if for whatever reason they decide to not pay MB for keeping them in the approved oil manufacturer club, that doesn't mean that specific oil is all of a sudden unusable.
My advice to you is simple: Don't get hung up on what is says on the wrapping, it's what's on the inside that matters!

cetialpha5

Actually the latest Mobil 1 0w40 doesn't have BMW LL-01 anymore.

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...pecs-guide.pdf

kajtek1

When you give imprecise information, you likely will be corrected on good forum.
The MB oil spec are not even 20 years old, yet you are giving them 30.
Be correct in your information and then you will have the last word

Oda112

It seems like they're going back to playing the pay for approval game. BMW dropped Castrol a few years ago, went with Shell instead, I wouldn't be amazed if other car manufacturers will do similar things as well. One thing I'm curious about is how that affects the actual compatibility of the oil working in the motor. Personally I think it doesn't, it's just a sticker war.

Oda112

I used Mobil1 in my E46 BMW in 2017 and it was still up to spec, so this sticker change is new. Regardless, I was wrong, it seems like Mobil1 doesn't uphold the LL01 spec anymore.
But it does still work with 229.5 in both the M273 and M278 so your dinosaur analogy was blatantly false.
Which MB oil specs are you referring to? If your car's user manual has an oil specification which is no longer available, isn't it older than 30 years at least? Is it possible you didn't understand what I was referring to in your quest for a come back?

Mud

My last report at 50k miles on 350 showed iron @11. Identical to report at 32k miles. Blackstone.

One report I remember a few years ago showed high silicone levels for an 02 crown Vic with some bolt ons and aftermarket tune. 102k miles. Ran perfect no noise etc. Also showed an increase in aluminum. I couldn't figure it out until I found a correlation of silicone to plastic. The only plastic I could think of was the plastic pads on the cam chain guides. I pulled the cover and sure enough one was worn into the plastic and the other was through the plastic and had just started into the aluminum. Tragedy averted. I've always been an advocate of getting an analysis at intervals.

kajtek1

FYI Mercedes USA was still using dino oils in early 2000's.
Can't find info when exactly the 22x.xx spec come to the play, but from my memory it was around year 2005.
Now calculate for me how many years since 2005?

kajtek1

I have never seen my vehicles showing 11 iron particles, do good for you. But then I do test at about 12k miles on oil.
Silicon aka Silica is sand. You had a leak somewhere in your intake system.