Shelly401

I know you are just bustin'
But you, and YasS , and I are the perfect example of why you don't see more of them....
And I'm sure it has happened to many others.....
​​​Dealers not willing to deal.....
And in my case, one dealer not even letting me drive one....
They wanted me to commit to a price first.....
How should I know what I'm willing to pay for a car with no test drive ?
They think cuz they throw the AMG badge on it, that it is the end all in carland.......
I didn't even care about the "AMG".....
I just wanted the 6 cylinder as opposed to the 4 banger TT......
In the end.... good for me..... I ended up with 8.....and am very happy with it.....
And the very same E43 I wanted to test drive, is still in their showroom.... over 7 weeks later....

Anyway.... A8 is very nice..... a friend of mine has one.... enjoy it.....

Shelly

jonesy11

Just got mine last Friday, am loving it!

c4004matic

Mine is "in production" as we speak!!!!!

petee1997

My E43 has a build date of June 10th and ETA of July 25th. I was lucky to get a first decade build for the first 18 model.

Wassaby

I don't get this: " no discount on E43 I go buy a Lexus". I'm reading here that almost everyone ordered his E43. That means very low inventory so MB don't incentives this car.
Wait 3 years when leases are coming out and get one at 40% discount.

achance

Can you attach the DOG please

ngerstman

Mercedes isn't the only option you know. They are discounting the e300's by 8-10%, so that makes the pay up for the v6 in the e43 seem in the realm of ludicrou, $20,000 for the engine. I had no interest in going there. Regards. Ned.

c4004matic

That 20 k involves almost 50% more HP and options that would add 10k+ to an E300 base price. I call that a decent deal. Particularly if your driving has any sporty aspirations and an E63 for a 100k+ base price is a little too premium.

ngerstman

Not true. My estimates are loaded e300 versus loaded e43 when one considered the discounts available on e300 versus no discounts on e43. Too much spread for just getting the v6 and a few a amg badges. Regards. Ned.

base16

+1

I'm somewhere in-between. I chose not to buy 63 or the new 63s because it was too sporty for me for everyday commute use. The E300 is too soft on the other end and E43 had just the right amount of power. The interior in MB and the tech is a year ahead of Audi at this time. In about a year or two Audi might refresh their tech but I didn't want to wait and play the catchup game :-)

IMO atleast for now, E43 has the best balance of power, tech and interior comfort/luxury and is a great value for people with similar priorities.

threeMBs

Discounts aside, I fail to see price complains regarding E43's premium over E300. When equipped with same/similar options, the difference is only about $10K. For this extra $10K you get ENGINE (a.k.a. FUN), suspensions, brakes, seats, etc. I'll stop here. If anything, E43 (about $85K with P3) is priced well compared to fully loaded E300 4cyl (about $75K with P3) and complains could be better addressed at hefty E300's loaded price. IMHO.

c4004matic

No amount of whining is going to get you a 400. The fact is the 43 is more than 2 seconds faster to 60 which is an enormous difference. BTW the 6.3 to 60 that MB quote to 60 for the 300 has not been proven by testers, all publications that have done so get around 7. The E 43 has consistently gotten 4.5. The E300 is adequately powered the 43 has some *****. Having driven both, which you obviously havent, the 43 will also drive circles around the 300. Performancewise, they might as well be entirely different cars.

ngerstman

I never said that the e43 wouldn't run circles around the e300, just never happy about paying msrp versus the discounts available on e300, makes gap in price unacceptable. If you must have an e class, the e43 is certainly the way to go, just not a compelling value proposition. It is what it is. Regards. Ned.

threeMBs

Ned, read post #96 here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ml#post7104346.

Yes, impossible in FL, but according to that poster...well you can read for yourself.

ngerstman

Good for him! Unfortunately when I needed to buy in Florida it was msrp, if they had met me half way I would have been willing to over pay a bit. But so it goes. Thanks. Regards. Ned.

Shelly401

well that might work for some, but I needed a car now..... not in 3 years.....

shelly

ngerstman

Nice car yes, great value no. Sorry. Regards. Ned.

gooner

I know it's a different market dynamic to the states but a cursory glance at European online car sites suggests the E43 isn't doing well and isn't holding it's value over there. I've seen many a used E43 on german sites going for less than an equivalent E400 (in terms of age) with much higher mileages.

On one german site, I counted 6 with mileages ranging from 1500-6000KM all less than 6 months old cheaper than a 9 month old E400 with very basic specs and 22,000km on the clock

Wassaby

To bad they didn't go half way. That was a win/win.

Wassaby

MB is selling much more E43 in Europe than US, plus many of those cars are demo E43 for which the dealer get's a good incentive so they can discount. UK have to get their price down to sell them in left drive countries.

Right now the residual value for 3 years is 61% for E43 and that is pretty dam good considering it is the same as E300W4.

This is the best comparing with the GLC43-GLC300 and C43/C300

gooner

check mobile.de, compare E400s to E43s

also check the official UK approved used site, filters: E-class, saloon, petrol, from 01/2017-04/2017. The equivalent E43 is on average selling for just over half the price of the new E63.

As a general rule, I doubt they will sell more E43s in Europe than in the states. Big engine Petrol cars just dont sell in Europe unless it's something special ala Porsche, bentley E63...probably explains the discoounting.

c4004matic

Used E 43??? That sounds pretty ridiculous given the car has been on sale for less than a year anywhere.

c4004matic

The E43 will sell tons more in Europe than here given that more than half will be "estates" AKA station wagons. In the US wee get only the E400 estate which will probably sell 5 given that wagons barely sell here.

petee1997

In Canada, the E43 has only been on sale since January 2017. There are none in dealer inventory and any allocations are pre sold.

Proeliator2001

When you get in to performance saloon territory it's hard to judge value as it's not worth the sum of its parts, it's worth more for the fun factor. Saying that, the e43 is a warmed over saloon not a super car hunter so the premium shouldn't be that much. A like for like specced e43 is about 11500 GBP more then my diesel in the UK. That's a near 23 percent premium. They both have 19 inch tyres, appear to have same brakes (certainly the fronts on the e43 just look like amg branded versions of my Mercedes branded amg line spec car) and whilst the e43 has air control as standard, is the suspension that much different? It would seem to me that maybe the cost difference is partly eaten up by the additional 2 cylinders and general higher expense of fitting that engine but mostly it's paying for the halo effect of having a sportier saloon.

But i very much doubt many will get sold in the UK, estate or otherwise. It's rare as hell to see an e63, it's also rare as hell to see rs6 or s8 Audi's. More common to see s4 and s6 Audi's and reasonably common to see BMW 535s which i guess e43 will compete with here. But none are what I'd call common. And Mercedes is known more for their comfort then for their sporting prowess so i think the e43 sits in a weird spot of not being wow fast, not enough certainly to shrug off views of merc being better suited for grandpa, but not cheap enough to be a volume seller (we have crippling fuel and tax costs on thirsty cars here and in most of Europe so this sort of car has to be damn good to warrant the big step up in ownership costs from a more sensible ride).