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c4004matic 04-29-2017 11:17 AM

Personally I dont like the engine badge. It looks tacky and stuck on. I ordered mine debadged. The AMG one on the C43 looks even worse and more rice.

hyperion667 04-29-2017 12:38 PM

I meant the engine badge


http://www.eurocarnews.com/media/pic.../1318/6050.jpg

ua549 04-29-2017 01:27 PM

The E43 engines are not made by AMG. They are mass produced with AMG-like features.

RobbieRob 04-29-2017 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by ua549 (Post 7131674)
The E43 engines are not made by AMG. They are mass produced with AMG-like features.


He knows, he's messing around.

c4004matic 04-30-2017 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by ua549 (Post 7131674)
The E43 engines are not made by AMG. They are mass produced with AMG-like features.

Just to make a point, AMG doesnt make engines either, except for racing ones. The engines are hand assembled by one AMG "dude" from Mercedes Benz manufactured parts. Just wanted to clear up that little myth.

ua549 04-30-2017 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by c4004matic (Post 7132302)
Just to make a point, AMG doesnt make engines either, except for racing ones. The engines are hand assembled by one AMG "dude" from Mercedes Benz manufactured parts. Just wanted to clear up that little myth.

All AMG engines are produced at Affalterbach.


Mercedes-Benz Affalterbach Plant - Affalterbach, Germany
Production: AMG engine production facility, AMG Performance Studio ~ The Affalterbach plant houses the management, administrative staff, and sales department of Mercedes-AMG GmbH, as well as the engine manufacturing facility and the development and design departments for AMG vehicles. Each high-performance AMG engine is made by a single mechanic in accordance with the company's "One man, One Engine" principle. Further units at the facility include the AMG Performance Studio for vehicle customisation, the AMG Driving Academy, and the department for the Mercedes-Benz designo customisation line.

c4004matic 04-30-2017 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by ua549 (Post 7132351)
All AMG engines are produced at Affalterbach.

AMG does not produce blocks, eletrical systems etc. They do modify mercedes made parts an assemble the engine that is it. 90% percent plus of the parts come straight out of mercedes benz assembly lines from all over the world. Just anther little secret, machines have been outbuilding human assembly for decades. They are much more precise and repeatable. All hanbuilding does today is replace robots that are much better at specific tasks. Not guy is using a socket wrench for anything. The assembly guy uses an automatic, computerized multi torque wrench assembly identical to the one a robot uses on the assembly line, the dfference is a guy replaces all the different stops on the assembly line.

petee1997 04-30-2017 02:43 PM

You are absolutely right. It's a marketing ploy. This could as easily be done on the regular engine assembly line. The little badge makes people feel good.

c4004matic 04-30-2017 02:53 PM

Some education
 

Originally Posted by petee1997 (Post 7132419)
You are absolutely right. It's a marketing ploy. This could as easily be done on the regular engine assembly line. The little badge makes people feel good.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M156_engine

ua549 04-30-2017 03:02 PM

It's the AMG specification parts and modifications that count along with the German assembly expertise. I'd accept an Affalterbach engine long before I accept one from China or Eastern Europe.

From personal experience the Tuscaloosa produced C Class is inferior to the one produced in Bremen.

hyperion667 04-30-2017 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by petee1997 (Post 7132419)
You are absolutely right. It's a marketing ploy. This could as easily be done on the regular engine assembly line. The little badge makes people feel good.

I do love mine little badge :)

ua549 04-30-2017 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by c4004matic (Post 7132377)
AMG does not produce blocks, eletrical systems etc. They do modify mercedes made parts an assemble the engine that is it. 90% percent plus of the parts come straight out of mercedes benz assembly lines from all over the world. Just anther little secret, machines have been outbuilding human assembly for decades. They are much more precise and repeatable. All hanbuilding does today is replace robots that are much better at specific tasks. Not guy is using a socket wrench for anything. The assembly guy uses an automatic, computerized multi torque wrench assembly identical to the one a robot uses on the assembly line, the dfference is a guy replaces all the different stops on the assembly line.

Formula 1 cars could be built on an assemble line too, but robotic assembly introduces increased variations due to looser tolerances required by using robotics. I'm sure we've all had issues with minimum tolerance parts matched with maximum tolerance parts in the automated assembly process. Hand assembly allows for better parts matching.

c4004matic 04-30-2017 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by ua549 (Post 7132502)
Formula 1 cars could be built on an assemble line too, but robotic assembly introduces increased variations due to looser tolerances required by using robotics. I'm sure we've all had issues with minimum tolerance parts matched with maximum tolerance parts in the automated assembly process. Hand assembly allows for better parts matching.

Absolutely incorrect F1 engines are made by hand because they are one of kind contraptions not
because man hands are better than machine hands. If they came up with an infinitely dextrous robot, those mechanics would be history too! Robots can measure into the micron range, 100s of times better than humans can. In fact the reason cars now a days are much more reliable than before despite being infinitely more complicated is because of robots and electroni controls. Robots within their specified parameters are faster, more reliable and make infinitely less errors tham humans can. Just a fact , Jack. As a far as assembly of anything goes humans are on borrowed time, just as drafters etc. Luckily compueters are only negging to design things themselves, engineers have a little more useful time left.

RobbieRob 04-30-2017 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by hyperion667 (Post 7132460)
I do love mine little badge :)


When I sold my E63s, I actually took the badge off of the engine cover, I mounted it on the engine in my 43 to go along with all the other AMG badges on the car.... lol:naughty:

hyperion667 04-30-2017 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieRob (Post 7132667)
When I sold my E63s, I actually took the badge off of the engine cover, I mounted it on the engine in my 43 to go along with all the other AMG badges on the car.... lol:naughty:

haha, a nice keepsake to remember the E by:y
it's quite possible you forget all about an AMG in your GT3:D

Quackledork 04-30-2017 10:52 PM

Good choice on the rims. The 20" rims on the E43 are absolutely punishing. Good for hard driving, but not everyday use.
Good color too. I test drove a E43 almost exactly like that but with 20"s and regular black interior.

ua549 05-01-2017 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by c4004matic (Post 7132555)
Absolutely incorrect F1 engines are made by hand because they are one of kind contraptions not
because man hands are better than machine hands. If they came up with an infinitely dextrous robot, those mechanics would be history too! Robots can measure into the micron range, 100s of times better than humans can. In fact the reason cars now a days are much more reliable than before despite being infinitely more complicated is because of robots and electroni controls. Robots within their specified parameters are faster, more reliable and make infinitely less errors tham humans can. Just a fact , Jack. As a far as assembly of anything goes humans are on borrowed time, just as drafters etc. Luckily compueters are only negging to design things themselves, engineers have a little more useful time left.

Right:rolleyes: That's why a large percentage of the trim pieces on the W213 do not meet specifications. They protrude, have excessive gaps, ... It takes a robot to mess up that badly.

c4004matic 05-01-2017 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by ua549 (Post 7132944)
Right:rolleyes: That's why a large percentage of the trim pieces on the W213 do not meet specifications. They protrude, have excessive gaps, ... It takes a robot to mess up that badly.

That statement shows your expirience with cars must span about 10 years! Before the 90's it was common for many european, not to mention many american cars to start desintegrating on the way home from the dealer! In general manufacturing defects other than electronics have been reduced 10 fold. Even the worst assembled cars from today would be a marvel or reliability in the 70s. Nowadays 85% of owners dont even know where the oil stick is!

ua549 05-01-2017 11:48 AM

That's why there are several posts here about misaligned or protruding trim on the E300.

FYI - I bought my first car in 1959, a 300SL. It was put together better than the '17 E300.

c4004matic 05-01-2017 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by ua549 (Post 7133109)
That's why there are several posts here about misaligned or protruding trim on the E300.

FYI - I bought my first car in 1959, a 300SL. It was put together better than the '17 E300.

I guess you are having "member" berries then!
"Member" tune ups, changing the oil every 3 thousand miles, lubing the chassis, having a trusted mechanic, carrying an extiguisher in the trunk, bias ply tires, manual chokes window cranks supplemented by pliers, leaded gas to avoid misfires GM X cars, tape chewing 8 tracks....maybe you're having memory issues:slap:

ua549 05-01-2017 06:00 PM

You simply won't acknowledge that there are many quality issues with robotic assembly.
Fit and finish is a major one. Just read RickInHouston's thread about how wonderful MB's quality is right down to the robotically applied paint.

petee1997 05-01-2017 06:58 PM

He won't acknowledge because it is not true. You are misinformed.

c4004matic 05-01-2017 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by ua549 (Post 7133577)
You simply won't acknowledge that there are many quality issues with robotic assembly.
Fit and finish is a major one. Just read RickInHouston's thread about how wonderful MB's quality is right down to the robotically applied paint.

You are making an assumption on a whole fleet of cars because of one data point, not a very smart idea. You can find a lemon in any brand. Most reviewers are impressed by MB fit and finish.

ua549 05-02-2017 08:02 AM

Before I ordered a MY18 E300 in February I looked over the local MY17 inventory. More than 10% of the cars had some sort of unacceptable quality issues. This included misaligned sheet metal panels and trim strips, paint flaws, ... Misalignment was the most common issue even with the up to 100% variance allowed by the gap specs.

My hope is that these assembly line issues are addressed for the 2018 model year.

vic viper 05-02-2017 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by ua549 (Post 7134041)
Before I ordered a MY18 E300 in February I looked over the local MY17 inventory. More than 10% of the cars had some sort of unacceptable quality issues. This included misaligned sheet metal panels and trim strips, paint flaws, ... Misalignment was the most common issue even with the up to 100% variance allowed by the gap specs.

My hope is that these assembly line issues are addressed for the 2018 model year.





How did you check this?


We have sold hundreds of 213, not one of them had nay of the issues you are refering to,
main issues has been with softwares


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