c4004matic

Personally I dont like the engine badge. It looks tacky and stuck on. I ordered mine debadged. The AMG one on the C43 looks even worse and more rice.

hyperion667

I meant the engine badge

ua549

The E43 engines are not made by AMG. They are mass produced with AMG-like features.

RobbieRob

He knows, he's messing around.

c4004matic

Just to make a point, AMG doesnt make engines either, except for racing ones. The engines are hand assembled by one AMG "dude" from Mercedes Benz manufactured parts. Just wanted to clear up that little myth.

ua549

All AMG engines are produced at Affalterbach.

c4004matic

AMG does not produce blocks, eletrical systems etc. They do modify mercedes made parts an assemble the engine that is it. 90% percent plus of the parts come straight out of mercedes benz assembly lines from all over the world. Just anther little secret, machines have been outbuilding human assembly for decades. They are much more precise and repeatable. All hanbuilding does today is replace robots that are much better at specific tasks. Not guy is using a socket wrench for anything. The assembly guy uses an automatic, computerized multi torque wrench assembly identical to the one a robot uses on the assembly line, the dfference is a guy replaces all the different stops on the assembly line.

petee1997

You are absolutely right. It's a marketing ploy. This could as easily be done on the regular engine assembly line. The little badge makes people feel good.

c4004matic

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M156_engine

ua549

It's the AMG specification parts and modifications that count along with the German assembly expertise. I'd accept an Affalterbach engine long before I accept one from China or Eastern Europe.

From personal experience the Tuscaloosa produced C Class is inferior to the one produced in Bremen.

hyperion667

I do love mine little badge

ua549

Formula 1 cars could be built on an assemble line too, but robotic assembly introduces increased variations due to looser tolerances required by using robotics. I'm sure we've all had issues with minimum tolerance parts matched with maximum tolerance parts in the automated assembly process. Hand assembly allows for better parts matching.

c4004matic

Absolutely incorrect F1 engines are made by hand because they are one of kind contraptions not
because man hands are better than machine hands. If they came up with an infinitely dextrous robot, those mechanics would be history too! Robots can measure into the micron range, 100s of times better than humans can. In fact the reason cars now a days are much more reliable than before despite being infinitely more complicated is because of robots and electroni controls. Robots within their specified parameters are faster, more reliable and make infinitely less errors tham humans can. Just a fact , Jack. As a far as assembly of anything goes humans are on borrowed time, just as drafters etc. Luckily compueters are only negging to design things themselves, engineers have a little more useful time left.

RobbieRob

When I sold my E63s, I actually took the badge off of the engine cover, I mounted it on the engine in my 43 to go along with all the other AMG badges on the car.... lol

hyperion667

haha, a nice keepsake to remember the E by
it's quite possible you forget all about an AMG in your GT3

Quackledork

Good choice on the rims. The 20" rims on the E43 are absolutely punishing. Good for hard driving, but not everyday use.
Good color too. I test drove a E43 almost exactly like that but with 20"s and regular black interior.

ua549

Right That's why a large percentage of the trim pieces on the W213 do not meet specifications. They protrude, have excessive gaps, ... It takes a robot to mess up that badly.

c4004matic

That statement shows your expirience with cars must span about 10 years! Before the 90's it was common for many european, not to mention many american cars to start desintegrating on the way home from the dealer! In general manufacturing defects other than electronics have been reduced 10 fold. Even the worst assembled cars from today would be a marvel or reliability in the 70s. Nowadays 85% of owners dont even know where the oil stick is!

ua549

That's why there are several posts here about misaligned or protruding trim on the E300.

FYI - I bought my first car in 1959, a 300SL. It was put together better than the '17 E300.

c4004matic

I guess you are having "member" berries then!
"Member" tune ups, changing the oil every 3 thousand miles, lubing the chassis, having a trusted mechanic, carrying an extiguisher in the trunk, bias ply tires, manual chokes window cranks supplemented by pliers, leaded gas to avoid misfires GM X cars, tape chewing 8 tracks....maybe you're having memory issues

ua549

You simply won't acknowledge that there are many quality issues with robotic assembly.
Fit and finish is a major one. Just read RickInHouston's thread about how wonderful MB's quality is right down to the robotically applied paint.

petee1997

He won't acknowledge because it is not true. You are misinformed.

c4004matic

You are making an assumption on a whole fleet of cars because of one data point, not a very smart idea. You can find a lemon in any brand. Most reviewers are impressed by MB fit and finish.

ua549

Before I ordered a MY18 E300 in February I looked over the local MY17 inventory. More than 10% of the cars had some sort of unacceptable quality issues. This included misaligned sheet metal panels and trim strips, paint flaws, ... Misalignment was the most common issue even with the up to 100% variance allowed by the gap specs.

My hope is that these assembly line issues are addressed for the 2018 model year.

vic viper

How did you check this?


We have sold hundreds of 213, not one of them had nay of the issues you are refering to,
main issues has been with softwares