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Again not saying something is afoot just surprised that the redesigned S being the flagship, would not be equipped with what has been billed as the next gen 6 for the entire lineup. Maybe the V6 will be one of those one year things MB has become famous for.
Is your source "common sense" or a "feeling". By the way the I6 was announced as being introduced in the S class for this Fall. If it's delayed, it's a problem. It was not a feeling that they would introduce it later. Common sense made them delay something that was not quite ready.
Here's an article about the new engines and their expected availability. Given that the US gaso version will integrate the 48v electrical system (at least in the S class) I'm not at all surprised that the actual introductions are not exact. Patience will ultimately be rewarded.
Again not saying something is afoot just surprised that the redesigned S being the flagship, would not be equipped with what has been billed as the next gen 6 for the entire lineup. Maybe the V6 will be one of those one year things MB has become famous for.
Here is a quote from your source with my highlighting.
Look closely, however, and you’ll notice new badges that indicate where the real changes lurk. S450 and S560 are the new S-class designations boasting new V-6 and V-8 engines. The S450 essentially replaces the outgoing six-cylinder S550e plug-in-hybrid model (there’s no word on the plug-in’s fate) and is powered by a 362-hp twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter V-6.
After reading the post, it seems that the I6 will be predominantly a diesel engine to replace the present 6 cylinder diesel used on the 350D, the only gas version it mentions is a hybrid.
W212 M276 DELA 30 ; W211 OM642 ; R107 M117, Sierra 1500 LZ0
Originally Posted by c4004matic
After reading the post, it seems that the I6 will be predominantly a diesel engine to replace the present 6 cylinder diesel used on the 350D, the only gas version it mentions is a hybrid.
They're two entirely different engine lines. OM654 & OM656 are the diesel engines. No OM branded engine is a gasser from MB.
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Originally Posted by Germancar1
Do you think there is a problem with the I6?
Do you realize that Mercedes rolls out engines first in Europe and then here?
Has anyone here read the press releases about the new engines that came wit the facelift S-Class?
This isn't even about sources, this is common sense.
No offense, but you guys seemingly don't know anything about Mercedes or how they operate.
This is such a non issue as to be a complete waste of a thread really. The engines were just introduced and haven't even been seen publicly yet.
That said, I too expected the 2018 U.S. market S450 to be the new I6, but it isn't. Doesn't mean there is a problem with the engine.
Perfect example of total nonsense:
You really think Mercedes-Benz would spend billions developing a new I6 that isn't any better than a V6 that is about 4 years old already? A I6 takes up too much space, but "a hybrid motor" (whatever that is) doesn't? The really interesting part is that a I6 takes up the same space as a V12. I mean with this being tossed around, I too would think that an I6 was a bad idea. Thank god I know better.
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I didn't say that you were wrong. I said you didn't provide a source. And you still haven't.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon
Originally Posted by petee1997
Is your source "common sense" or a "feeling". By the way the I6 was announced as being introduced in the S class for this Fall. If it's delayed, it's a problem. It was not a feeling that they would introduce it later. Common sense made them delay something that was not quite ready.
There are a few folks on this site, who word their posts as if they just had a four hour dinner with the C.E.O. of Daimler-Benz and that everything they say is absolute gospel. IMO, just the fact that they post in such a manner is absolute B.S. They don't post their source for this information, they just wish to shove it down our throats and then lambast the rest of us when we post items based on our thoughts, feelings, observations and desires. As far as I am concerned, these folks must think their SHxT doesn't stink and that they put both of their socks on at the same time. They can kiss my ***.
No issue. I wish they would too! It would be my next car to replace my c class. I would love a w213 e400 sedan.
Well you didn't have to wait to long:
News today from MBUSA
E400 4MATIC Sedan will feature all the standard equipment of our E300 Sedan, plus standard allwheel
drive and a 3.0 liter biturbo V6 engine producing 329hp and 354 lb-ft of torque – the same
powertrain as our E400 4MATIC Wagon. Coupled with the 9-speed 9G-TRONIC Transmission and
DYNAMIC SELECT, your customers are sure to enjoy its smooth, luxurious power.
The E400 4MATIC Sedan will be available as a 4MATIC only, and as with the E300 Sedan, your customers can
choose between the Luxury Line (167), Sport Styling (321), or AMG Line Exterior (322).
2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
Originally Posted by Wassaby
Well you didn't have to wait to long:
News today from MBUSA
E400 4MATIC Sedan will feature all the standard equipment of our E300 Sedan, plus standard allwheel
drive and a 3.0 liter biturbo V6 engine producing 329hp and 354 lb-ft of torque – the same
powertrain as our E400 4MATIC Wagon. Coupled with the 9-speed 9G-TRONIC Transmission and
DYNAMIC SELECT, your customers are sure to enjoy its smooth, luxurious power.
The E400 4MATIC Sedan will be available as a 4MATIC only, and as with the E300 Sedan, your customers can
choose between the Luxury Line (167), Sport Styling (321), or AMG Line Exterior (322).
If you have official information you should at least not make email available for people that you don't know and you don't have their approval to be public.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon
Originally Posted by Wassaby
If you have official information you should at least not make email available for people that you don't know and you don't have their approval to be public.
This was not given to me in confidence. If it had been, I never would have posted it. It was sent to all US dealers, probably all auto media outlets, news media and who knows who else, and someone I know received it and sent it to me. It's not like I'm violating anyone's trust here. If these folks don't want their info out in cyber space, they should not have put the info in this release. If the person who sent it to me didn't want it circulated, they should have said so. Anyway, I imagine that these names & contact info were all over the place before this memo ever went out.
This was not given to me in confidence. If it had been, I never would have posted it. It was sent to all US dealers, probably all auto media outlets, news media and who knows who else, and someone I know received it and sent it to me. It's not like I'm violating anyone's trust here. If these folks don't want their info out in cyber space, they should not have put the info in this release. If the person who sent it to me didn't want it circulated, they should have said so. Anyway, I imagine that these names & contact info were all over the place before this memo ever went out.
The news release you have is just for Dealers and is confidential. Just because someone gave it to you that does mean you have to show name and business email address as you probably never seen in on line media the emails of people who send the info to them.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon
Originally Posted by Wassaby
The news release you have is just for Dealers and is confidential. Just because someone gave it to you that does mean you have to show name and business email address as you probably never seen in on line media the emails of people who send the info to them.
OK, I agree, you make a good point. I deleted their names & contact info.
Is your source "common sense" or a "feeling". By the way the I6 was announced as being introduced in the S class for this Fall. If it's delayed, it's a problem. It was not a feeling that they would introduce it later. Common sense made them delay something that was not quite ready.
So when they introduce it next year what will your common sense tell you?
Nope. It will tell you that they decided to launch it for that model year. You haven't seen anything official that said this year, but because they launched it in Europe first (as they always do), it's a problem. Ridiculously hilarious logic, based on nothing. No wonder you guys are so lost here.
Nope. It will tell you that they decided to launch it for that model year. You haven't seen anything official that said this year, but because they launched it in Europe first (as they always do), it's a problem. Ridiculously hilarious logic, based on nothing. No wonder you guys are so lost here.
2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
So for all of the people who bought/ordered an E43 just to get the V6, how do you feel about this? Sure, the E43 has a higher output V6, but isn't 87 additional HP compared to the 2L 4cyl enough? I would be extremely annoyed to find out that not only did I pay top dollar for the E43, but that I could have configured an E400 for $10k less Drive off. I am glad that I bought my car when did with the purpose of waiting for my 2019 E63s to be delivered in Sept 2018.
So for all of the people who bought/ordered an E43 just to get the V6, how do you feel about this? Sure, the E43 has a higher output V6, but isn't 87 additional HP compared to the 2L 4cyl enough? I would be extremely annoyed to find out that not only did I pay top dollar for the E43, but that I could have configured an E400 for $10k less Drive off. I am glad that I bought my car when did with the purpose of waiting for my 2019 E63s to be delivered in Sept 2018.
I honestly don't see why this would bother anyone. I'm not an owner so I can't speak for them, but an E400 was a logical addition and should have been there from the start. The thing is though how will E43 owners feel come 2019 MY when the E43 is gone and replaced by a 450+ hp E50? You can't get upset about this stuff IMO, all you can do is make an informed decision because MB does this all the time and they're not the only ones.
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