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So for all of the people who bought/ordered an E43 just to get the V6, how do you feel about this? Sure, the E43 has a higher output V6, but isn't 87 additional HP compared to the 2L 4cyl enough? I would be extremely annoyed to find out that not only did I pay top dollar for the E43, but that I could have configured an E400 for $10k less Drive off. I am glad that I bought my car when did with the purpose of waiting for my 2019 E63s to be delivered in Sept 2018.
I will go with frustration to those who decide to buy 300 instead of waiting a little bit longer for 400.
I think every model will always have their share of customers considering $10k is a lot of money: $200 more monthly payment finance or $225 more lease monthly payment.
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I honestly don't see why this would bother anyone. I'm not an owner so I can't speak for them, but an E400 was a logical addition and should have been there from the start. The thing is though how will E43 owners feel come 2019 MY when the E43 is gone and replaced by a 450+ hp E50? You can't get upset about this stuff IMO, all you can do is make an informed decision because MB does this all the time and they're not the only ones.
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I honestly don't see why this would bother anyone. I'm not an owner so I can't speak for them, but an E400 was a logical addition and should have been there from the start. The thing is though how will E43 owners feel come 2019 MY when the E43 is gone and replaced by a 450+ hp E50? You can't get upset about this stuff IMO, all you can do is make an informed decision because MB does this all the time and they're not the only ones.
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So for all of the people who bought/ordered an E43 just to get the V6, how do you feel about this? Sure, the E43 has a higher output V6, but isn't 87 additional HP compared to the 2L 4cyl enough? I would be extremely annoyed to find out that not only did I pay top dollar for the E43, but that I could have configured an E400 for $10k less Drive off. I am glad that I bought my car when did with the purpose of waiting for my 2019 E63s to be delivered in Sept 2018.
On the other hand, the people who bought a loaded P3 E300 are at a great disadvantage when they trade that loaded E300 now that there is a E400. Expect to see to see the E300 sold as a entry level E class and the E400 is more apt to be the P3 equipped car with the premium interiors. At least this has been the experience here in Canada where both models were available.
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In Canada, we always had the option of getting the E400. When you equip an E400 with all the standard equipment in the E43, it's only a few thousand more to go to the E43. I feel I will get that premium back when I trade the E43.
On the other hand, the people who bought a loaded P3 E300 are at a great disadvantage when they trade that loaded E300 now that there is a E400. Expect to see to see the E300 sold as a entry level E class and the E400 is more apt to be the P3 equipped car with the premium interiors. At least this has been the experience here in Canada where both models were available.
On the other hand, the people who bought a loaded P3 E300 are at a great disadvantage when they trade that loaded E300 now that there is a E400. Expect to see to see the E300 sold as a entry level E class and the E400 is more apt to be the P3 equipped car with the premium interiors. At least this has been the experience here in Canada where both models were available.
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Not everyone wants or needs the extra power and associated cost of an E400 or E43. An E300 with the P3 package are not at a disadvantage. They have all the bells and whistles plus reasonable performance, good fuel economy and much lower insurance rates.
That said, I would have purchased an E400 instead of the '18 E300 I purchased as my wife's grocery getter so that I may have used it for an occasional road trip. Waiting another 6 months for an E400 was not an option since I already waited for the MY18 models. When the I-6 arrives in a couple of years, I'll most likely trade my BMW for one.
That said, I would have purchased an E400 instead of the '18 E300 I purchased as my wife's grocery getter so that I may have used it for an occasional road trip. Waiting another 6 months for an E400 was not an option since I already waited for the MY18 models. When the I-6 arrives in a couple of years, I'll most likely trade my BMW for one.
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Not everyone wants or needs the extra power and associated cost of an E400 or E43. An E300 with the P3 package are not at a disadvantage. They have all the bells and whistles plus reasonable performance, good fuel economy and much lower insurance rates.
That said, I would have purchased an E400 instead of the '18 E300 I purchased as my wife's grocery getter so that I may have used it for an occasional road trip. Waiting another 6 months for an E400 was not an option since I already waited for the MY18 models. When the I-6 arrives in a couple of years, I'll most likely trade my BMW for one.
That said, I would have purchased an E400 instead of the '18 E300 I purchased as my wife's grocery getter so that I may have used it for an occasional road trip. Waiting another 6 months for an E400 was not an option since I already waited for the MY18 models. When the I-6 arrives in a couple of years, I'll most likely trade my BMW for one.
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In Canada, we always had the option of getting the E400. When you equip an E400 with all the standard equipment in the E43, it's only a few thousand more to go to the E43. I feel I will get that premium back when I trade the E43.
On the other hand, the people who bought a loaded P3 E300 are at a great disadvantage when they trade that loaded E300 now that there is a E400. Expect to see to see the E300 sold as a entry level E class and the E400 is more apt to be the P3 equipped car with the premium interiors. At least this has been the experience here in Canada where both models were available.
On the other hand, the people who bought a loaded P3 E300 are at a great disadvantage when they trade that loaded E300 now that there is a E400. Expect to see to see the E300 sold as a entry level E class and the E400 is more apt to be the P3 equipped car with the premium interiors. At least this has been the experience here in Canada where both models were available.
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You are absolutely right. There is no downside on a lease. My observation was on a purchase.
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Now the blogs are saying the new AMG I6 models will be the "53" Series. Total system output will be 496hp. To debut in the new CLS this fall. I'm sure we'll see something on this at Frankfurt in Sept.
http://www.motoring.com.au/mercedes-...rtrain-107808/
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Damn, that E400d... 335HP & 480 ft/lbs. I despise VW for killing any chance of having that car in the states..
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Expect to first experience the M256 on American soil when the new CLS shows up later this fall. Also, it’s gonna be called a CLS53. Yup, Mercedes-AMG vehicles that are E-Class size and up will no longer be called 43s. They will be 53s. Meaning that the C-Class with the AMG version of the inline-six will be a C43, but the E-Class version will be an E53. Confusing?
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From the article...
Now the bottom line: The M256 debuts in two variants in the S-Class -- one generating 367 peak hp and 369 lb-ft of torque, and the other 435 hp, 384 lb-ft. The latter delivers a stout 145 hp and 128 lb-ft per liter. It’s only 6 percent less peak power than a new, 4.0-liter twin-turbo V8 headed to the States in the updated S560. Add the quick burst from the ISG, and the M256’s peaks actually surpass those from the V8. Yet the straight six delivers at least a 20 percent improvement in specific fuel consumption and a 20 percent decrease in CO2 emissions.
Only there’s no M256 for North America, for now. We’re getting a 3.0-liter turbo V6 for the bottom-rung 2018 S-Class, with less power and torque than either M256, and this publication cannot explain why, except to say that it appears to be purely a marketing decision. Vollrath says there are no federal or California certification issues and no capacity limitation for the M256. It’s hard to fathom the basis for that marketing decision, given that a straight six was the S-Class’s bread and butter for much of its 45-year run. Perhaps there isn’t enough power separation to justify the more expensive V8.
Whatever the thinking, Mercedes development director Ola Källenius says we will see the M256 in the not-too-distant future. It just won’t debut in the S-Class.
E-Class? GLE? GLS? Källenius isn’t saying, and we can only guess.
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Here is also a good interview with Mercedes’ director of R&D.
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...zs-director-rd
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...zs-director-rd
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