Wassaby

There are too many differences between 43 and 400. 43 is a lower option of $120K 63 not a higher option for 300.

I will go with frustration to those who decide to buy 300 instead of waiting a little bit longer for 400.

I think every model will always have their share of customers considering $10k is a lot of money: $200 more monthly payment finance or $225 more lease monthly payment.

Wassaby

What is your info source for the E50?

HBerman

Point well taken.

petee1997

In Canada, we always had the option of getting the E400. When you equip an E400 with all the standard equipment in the E43, it's only a few thousand more to go to the E43. I feel I will get that premium back when I trade the E43.

On the other hand, the people who bought a loaded P3 E300 are at a great disadvantage when they trade that loaded E300 now that there is a E400. Expect to see to see the E300 sold as a entry level E class and the E400 is more apt to be the P3 equipped car with the premium interiors. At least this has been the experience here in Canada where both models were available.

HBerman

Not a problem for me as I am currently leasing the E300 with the objective of getting the 2019 E63S in November of 2018. MBFS can eat the loss of value at that time. The pull forward is 5 months.

ua549

Not everyone wants or needs the extra power and associated cost of an E400 or E43. An E300 with the P3 package are not at a disadvantage. They have all the bells and whistles plus reasonable performance, good fuel economy and much lower insurance rates.

That said, I would have purchased an E400 instead of the '18 E300 I purchased as my wife's grocery getter so that I may have used it for an occasional road trip. Waiting another 6 months for an E400 was not an option since I already waited for the MY18 models. When the I-6 arrives in a couple of years, I'll most likely trade my BMW for one.

HBerman

Well said!! I hope that for all of the "declared" speed demons who pass 18 wheelers at 50mph to 90mph that you are aware that when one is performing a passing maneuver, you CANNOT legally exceed the posted speed limit.

Germancar1

Leaked document on another forum shows MB's model outline for the new I6 engine.

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Wassaby

Can you provide the link? I very curios.

Thanks.

michaelleongcl

the new m264 engine will make the m274 engine feel ancient

Streamliner

Just lease it. There is always something shinier, brighter, newer and more alluring around the corner. If that matters to you, just lease the car, drive it, enjoy it and then get a new one--about every 30 months or so.

Wassaby

MY2020 until E43 will be replaced with E50 (face-lift of E43) in US market, is not like they replacing the model next year. So no reason for E43 customers to be upset.

petee1997

You are absolutely right. There is no downside on a lease. My observation was on a purchase.

ua549

The huge downside to leasing is the lack of flexibility and the big penalties if your circumstances change. BTDT

petee1997

My point is there is no downside on the value of your car since it's predetermined with a lease as opposed to ownership.

Wig

Wassaby - do you have any info on when the the M264 will be rolled out to presumably replace the M274?

Wassaby

My understanding from MBUSA sources is that E350 is actually a 2.0 4Cyl Hybrid and is not replacing the E300.

Same E350e is sold now in Europe.

Germancar1

Now the blogs are saying the new AMG I6 models will be the "53" Series. Total system output will be 496hp. To debut in the new CLS this fall. I'm sure we'll see something on this at Frankfurt in Sept.

http://www.motoring.com.au/mercedes-...rtrain-107808/


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DubVBenz

Damn, that E400d... 335HP & 480 ft/lbs. I despise VW for killing any chance of having that car in the states..

michaelleongcl

more details of the the long awaited m256 in line 6 will be available in the media drive of the w222 FL in days to come.

michaelleongcl

Expect to first experience the M256 on American soil when the new CLS shows up later this fall. Also, it’s gonna be called a CLS53. Yup, Mercedes-AMG vehicles that are E-Class size and up will no longer be called 43s. They will be 53s. Meaning that the C-Class with the AMG version of the inline-six will be a C43, but the E-Class version will be an E53. Confusing?

Cao Black

Here's a recent article about the new I6, and it doesn't shed much light on when it will start appearing in North American delivered cars, or why it seems to be taking so long.

From the article...
Now the bottom line: The M256 debuts in two variants in the S-Class -- one generating 367 peak hp and 369 lb-ft of torque, and the other 435 hp, 384 lb-ft. The latter delivers a stout 145 hp and 128 lb-ft per liter. It’s only 6 percent less peak power than a new, 4.0-liter twin-turbo V8 headed to the States in the updated S560. Add the quick burst from the ISG, and the M256’s peaks actually surpass those from the V8. Yet the straight six delivers at least a 20 percent improvement in specific fuel consumption and a 20 percent decrease in CO2 emissions.
Only there’s no M256 for North America, for now. We’re getting a 3.0-liter turbo V6 for the bottom-rung 2018 S-Class, with less power and torque than either M256, and this publication cannot explain why, except to say that it appears to be purely a marketing decision. Vollrath says there are no federal or California certification issues and no capacity limitation for the M256. It’s hard to fathom the basis for that marketing decision, given that a straight six was the S-Class’s bread and butter for much of its 45-year run. Perhaps there isn’t enough power separation to justify the more expensive V8.
Whatever the thinking, Mercedes development director Ola Källenius says we will see the M256 in the not-too-distant future. It just won’t debut in the S-Class.
E-Class? GLE? GLS? Källenius isn’t saying, and we can only guess.

Wassaby

Here is also a good interview with Mercedes’ director of R&D.

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...zs-director-rd

Wassaby