E450 cab vs E53 amg cab.
11-07-2018, 06:46 AM
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E450 cab vs E53 amg cab.
I’m thinking about a convertible. The new E53 looks interesting. It’s at least 10k more than a E450 cab. Anyone else thought about the pros vs cons of the decision whether to purchase a new E53 vs E450 2019 cabriolet? Looks like more complexity with the new E53. But more power torque and technology. Probably better fuel economy with the E53 too. Although those numbers have yet to be released. I suspect the E53 makes more sporting sounds from the engine too. After all it’s classified as a AMG. The new inline 6 motor sounds interesting too. The E53 is replacing the E43 AMG which of course was a V6. Getting a E53 seems like a bit more of a risk over the E450 but I figure I’ve always been a pioneer in new technology so might as well continue my history. The E53 uses a torque convert Trans which to me I consider a good thing. I just like that extra smoothness a torque converter trans gives vs a dual clutch Ie E63 amg. Anyone here have A 2019 E450 convertible yet and if so how do you like it?
11-07-2018, 07:47 AM
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Drive both. It's really critical. The key is to determine if the E53 is a true AMG or just an uptuned E class. From your garage, I see that you have an AMG S63S wagon. That is a monster, so you'll need to determine if the power is that important to you. If so, then it's a no brainer. If you're just cruising around top down, the E450 should be fine. I have the wagon E450, and though it's still in break-in, the power delivery is linear and smooth. I'm very impressed with the motor (despite some quirks). I really don't think that you can go wrong either way.
Candidly, if you have the beans, get the E53, you surely won't regret it and from your question, you may always regret having chose 'value'. Good luck.
Candidly, if you have the beans, get the E53, you surely won't regret it and from your question, you may always regret having chose 'value'. Good luck.
11-07-2018, 08:00 AM
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I’m thinking about a convertible. The new E53 looks interesting. It’s at least 10k more than a E450 cab. Anyone else thought about the pros vs cons of the decision whether to purchase a new E53 vs E450 2019 cabriolet? Looks like more complexity with the new E53. But more power torque and technology. Probably better fuel economy with the E53 too. Although those numbers have yet to be released. I suspect the E53 makes more sporting sounds from the engine too. After all it’s classified as a AMG. The new inline 6 motor sounds interesting too. The E53 is replacing the E43 AMG which of course was a V6. Getting a E53 seems like a bit more of a risk over the E450 but I figure I’ve always been a pioneer in new technology so might as well continue my history. The E53 uses a torque convert Trans which to me I consider a good thing. I just like that extra smoothness a torque converter trans gives vs a dual clutch Ie E63 amg. Anyone here have A 2019 E450 convertible yet and if so how do you like it?
11-07-2018, 10:09 AM
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Since you have a monster AMG, you already understand the AMG up charge on acquisition and maintenance. That E53 looks like fun,and you seem willing to risk any initial bugs with the new power train. The only thing I would pay extra attention to in a test drive is the exhaust note/volume with the top down.
11-07-2018, 12:13 PM
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Since you have a monster AMG, you already understand the AMG up charge on acquisition and maintenance. That E53 looks like fun,and you seem willing to risk any initial bugs with the new power train. The only thing I would pay extra attention to in a test drive is the exhaust note/volume with the top down.
11-07-2018, 01:26 PM
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One of the main issues is the wait, could be next year sometime on the new E53. The other thing is price. Looks like the E450 Cab is around 10 grand less and I can negotiotiate probably around $4K more off sticker off the E450 Cab being a non amg car, so thats around $14K. On the other hand I don't want to look back and think wow I shoulda got the E53. I'm sure it makes better sounds and is very cool new technology, I guess you do not even hear a starter motor engage when it starts as the starter is part of the generator for the Hybrid end of the car. I don't know what I'll do at this point, might give it a little more time. It does not look good for the E53's coming in anytime soon is my understanding, not even sure if they are EPA emissions certified as of yet?. Good advice about getting the right car though and not having regrets. Thats another issue is it's impossible to test drive a E53 as non of the dealers have them yet. The E450 cab should drive very similar to my new Wagon and I agree that the TT V6 is a very smooth and good power trans.
11-07-2018, 02:06 PM
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One of the main issues is the wait, could be next year sometime on the new E53. The other thing is price. Looks like the E450 Cab is around 10 grand less and I can negotiotiate probably around $4K more off sticker off the E450 Cab being a non amg car, so thats around $14K. On the other hand I don't want to look back and think wow I shoulda got the E53. I'm sure it makes better sounds and is very cool new technology, I guess you do not even hear a starter motor engage when it starts as the starter is part of the generator for the Hybrid end of the car. I don't know what I'll do at this point, might give it a little more time. It does not look good for the E53's coming in anytime soon is my understanding, not even sure if they are EPA emissions certified as of yet?. Good advice about getting the right car though and not having regrets. Thats another issue is it's impossible to test drive a E53 as non of the dealers have them yet. The E450 cab should drive very similar to my new Wagon and I agree that the TT V6 is a very smooth and good power trans.
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11-07-2018, 03:13 PM
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THe E53 may have more standard equipment included in the base price making the price differential less than 10K. This was the case with my 18 E43 in Canada.
11-07-2018, 09:38 PM
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I have a MY19 E450 Cab, fully loaded and I love it.
For me me it has incredible power. Now understand that I came from a 2013 Escape—so the model of the E450 on my desk has more power than my Escape!
Being loaded, I have Air Body Control and I’m so glad I ordered it. Around town I usually have it set to Comfort, which raises the car to mid-level. On the highway I usually leave it in Economy, which has all the vehicle characteristics of Comfort, but lowers the car to the lowest level for less drag. However the ride is less —well comfy because there isn’t as much room left on the air shocks. But... my favorite part of ABC is being able to raise the car
higher than Comfort, by a few inches. Has saved the front bumper many times already from driveways and intersections with odd road angles.
For me me it has incredible power. Now understand that I came from a 2013 Escape—so the model of the E450 on my desk has more power than my Escape!
Being loaded, I have Air Body Control and I’m so glad I ordered it. Around town I usually have it set to Comfort, which raises the car to mid-level. On the highway I usually leave it in Economy, which has all the vehicle characteristics of Comfort, but lowers the car to the lowest level for less drag. However the ride is less —well comfy because there isn’t as much room left on the air shocks. But... my favorite part of ABC is being able to raise the car
higher than Comfort, by a few inches. Has saved the front bumper many times already from driveways and intersections with odd road angles.
11-07-2018, 11:34 PM
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I have a MY19 E450 Cab, fully loaded and I love it.
For me me it has incredible power. Now understand that I came from a 2013 Escape—so the model of the E450 on my desk has more power than my Escape!
Being loaded, I have Air Body Control and I’m so glad I ordered it. Around town I usually have it set to Comfort, which raises the car to mid-level. On the highway I usually leave it in Economy, which has all the vehicle characteristics of Comfort, but lowers the car to the lowest level for less drag. However the ride is less —well comfy because there isn’t as much room left on the air shocks. But... my favorite part of ABC is being able to raise the car
higher than Comfort, by a few inches. Has saved the front bumper many times already from driveways and intersections with odd road angles.
For me me it has incredible power. Now understand that I came from a 2013 Escape—so the model of the E450 on my desk has more power than my Escape!
Being loaded, I have Air Body Control and I’m so glad I ordered it. Around town I usually have it set to Comfort, which raises the car to mid-level. On the highway I usually leave it in Economy, which has all the vehicle characteristics of Comfort, but lowers the car to the lowest level for less drag. However the ride is less —well comfy because there isn’t as much room left on the air shocks. But... my favorite part of ABC is being able to raise the car
higher than Comfort, by a few inches. Has saved the front bumper many times already from driveways and intersections with odd road angles.
Sounds good, I may very well end up going with the E450. Sounds like a great car.
11-08-2018, 08:10 AM
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@2012 merc amg , I saw an AMG E43 (a reasonable proxy for the new E53, if not cheaper) on the dealer floor kitted up like my E450 wagon (all the same options including the premium packages, heads up, acoustic comfort, etc, and mine also had designo leather package with the AMG did not) and the sticker prices were 18K USD apart. Only you will be able to determine if it's work the extra coin for the extra ponies and the 20 inch wheels (I went with 18 inch wheels owing to NYC's exquisite infrastructure). Feature for feature otherwise if loaded up, they are identical.
What is probably making this tough for you is that you already have the AMG wagon. So that could skew you to the "I need to have more power camp and thus it's the E53" OR the "the cab is just for cruising around town casually and thus the E450 is enough power with 0-60 mph times in the low 5 s). But, if you keep wondering about it, you will drive yourself crazy with envy and regret not getting the AMG.
How about a full pivot? Have you considered a Porsche 718 Boxster? Reasonably loaded, the standard's price isn't dissimilar to the E450 and the S is in the range of the AMG.
But from your garage, you do seem MB all the way.
What is probably making this tough for you is that you already have the AMG wagon. So that could skew you to the "I need to have more power camp and thus it's the E53" OR the "the cab is just for cruising around town casually and thus the E450 is enough power with 0-60 mph times in the low 5 s). But, if you keep wondering about it, you will drive yourself crazy with envy and regret not getting the AMG.
How about a full pivot? Have you considered a Porsche 718 Boxster? Reasonably loaded, the standard's price isn't dissimilar to the E450 and the S is in the range of the AMG.
But from your garage, you do seem MB all the way.
11-08-2018, 09:11 AM
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Today as crazy as it sounds I'm actually thinking about a 2019 C class convertible loaded. Can get it around 60K. I don't need something really fast and my bank account will like the extra cash I get out of it for the trade in on the AMG Wagon. I'm gonna check one out and compare it to the E450 and E43. The porsche is too low for me.
11-08-2018, 10:19 AM
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Today as crazy as it sounds I'm actually thinking about a 2019 C class convertible loaded. Can get it around 60K. I don't need something really fast and my bank account will like the extra cash I get out of it for the trade in on the AMG Wagon. I'm gonna check one out and compare it to the E450 and E43. The porsche is too low for me.
11-08-2018, 02:35 PM
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I have the E450 coupe as a loaner car and coming from a e300 I say its amazing smooth and fast. but not having driven the e53 I cant say much. The 48v in the e53 must be really nice giving you extra power without using extra gas. dont jump the gun and wait it out as much as you can as both cars are new and later builds will have less problems. Dont get emotionally attached to them.
11-13-2018, 09:48 AM
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E53 vs E450
I’m thinking about a convertible. The new E53 looks interesting. It’s at least 10k more than a E450 cab. Anyone else thought about the pros vs cons of the decision whether to purchase a new E53 vs E450 2019 cabriolet? Looks like more complexity with the new E53. But more power torque and technology. Probably better fuel economy with the E53 too. Although those numbers have yet to be released. I suspect the E53 makes more sporting sounds from the engine too. After all it’s classified as a AMG. The new inline 6 motor sounds interesting too. The E53 is replacing the E43 AMG which of course was a V6. Getting a E53 seems like a bit more of a risk over the E450 but I figure I’ve always been a pioneer in new technology so might as well continue my history. The E53 uses a torque convert Trans which to me I consider a good thing. I just like that extra smoothness a torque converter trans gives vs a dual clutch Ie E63 amg. Anyone here have A 2019 E450 convertible yet and if so how do you like it?
The engine shipped in the European S500 last year, so I don't expect any big surprises. I do expect better power, response, and gas mileage than my E550.
12-29-2018, 10:54 AM
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Just joined the forum today, will be picking up a 2019 E53 Cab at 3PM this afternoon, pretty much loaded, a few options I wouldn't have ordered, if I had spec'd the car (Track pace app, and scent pkg). otherwise all the necessary goodies; heads-up warmth and comfort, lighting, Driver assistance, performance exhaust (sounds great, on the model I test drove),heated and ventilated seats, and a few other goodies as well. Car is Lunar blue, with the Black/White Nappa Leather, MSRP is 97,640, purchase price is 91,400, so pretty much a 6.8% discount from MSRP, just a touch below dealer invoice. Still plenty of room with the hold back, and of course the obligatory semi-screw on the trade in. I did squeeze and got them up $2,900 from the original trade in offer. Coming out of a 2015 650IX convertible. It had slightly more HP, but the E53 is a touch quicker to 60MPH, probably due to the lighter weight, and the kick from the electric, which really does eliminate any turbo lag. When I test drove the car, the push in the back, and the sound of the sport exhaust, pretty much confirmed that I was going to get the car. I look forward to being a participating member here, as I do on the other forums that I have joined. Happy Healthy New Year to one and all.
12-29-2018, 11:18 AM
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Congratulations and welcome to the family! Have fun taking delivery today and just remember, it didn't happen without pictures!!!!!
12-29-2018, 11:26 AM
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Just joined the forum today, will be picking up a 2019 E53 Cab at 3PM this afternoon, pretty much loaded, a few options I wouldn't have ordered, if I had spec'd the car (Track pace app, and scent pkg). otherwise all the necessary goodies; heads-up warmth and comfort, lighting, Driver assistance, performance exhaust (sounds great, on the model I test drove),heated and ventilated seats, and a few other goodies as well. Car is Lunar blue, with the Black/White Nappa Leather, MSRP is 97,640, purchase price is 91,400, so pretty much a 6.8% discount from MSRP, just a touch below dealer invoice. Still plenty of room with the hold back, and of course the obligatory semi-screw on the trade in. I did squeeze and got them up $2,900 from the original trade in offer. Coming out of a 2015 650IX convertible. It had slightly more HP, but the E53 is a touch quicker to 60MPH, probably due to the lighter weight, and the kick from the electric, which really does eliminate any turbo lag. When I test drove the car, the push in the back, and the sound of the sport exhaust, pretty much confirmed that I was going to get the car. I look forward to being a participating member here, as I do on the other forums that I have joined. Happy Healthy New Year to one and all.
12-29-2018, 02:49 PM
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Congrats and welcome to the forum. You'll probably also want to hang out in the AMG sub forum but please post some photos in this one so we can see the lovely color combination!
12-31-2018, 04:34 AM
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Just joined the forum today, will be picking up a 2019 E53 Cab at 3PM this afternoon, pretty much loaded, a few options I wouldn't have ordered, if I had spec'd the car (Track pace app, and scent pkg). otherwise all the necessary goodies; heads-up warmth and comfort, lighting, Driver assistance, performance exhaust (sounds great, on the model I test drove),heated and ventilated seats, and a few other goodies as well. Car is Lunar blue, with the Black/White Nappa Leather, MSRP is 97,640, purchase price is 91,400, so pretty much a 6.8% discount from MSRP, just a touch below dealer invoice. Still plenty of room with the hold back, and of course the obligatory semi-screw on the trade in. I did squeeze and got them up $2,900 from the original trade in offer. Coming out of a 2015 650IX convertible. It had slightly more HP, but the E53 is a touch quicker to 60MPH, probably due to the lighter weight, and the kick from the electric, which really does eliminate any turbo lag. When I test drove the car, the push in the back, and the sound of the sport exhaust, pretty much confirmed that I was going to get the car. I look forward to being a participating member here, as I do on the other forums that I have joined. Happy Healthy New Year to one and all.
Sounds like you found yourself a great car and I'm sure you will love owning it!
12-31-2018, 08:33 AM
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So far, enjoying it, will have it paint corrected, wrapped, and ceramic coated, radar detector, laser jammers installed, and then, start to “drive” it! Am I wrong in my realization that on an E53, rain sensitive wipers, don’t exist? How can that be, when it’s standard equipment, on a $15,000 Kia???
12-31-2018, 09:58 AM
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So far, enjoying it, will have it paint corrected, wrapped, and ceramic coated, radar detector, laser jammers installed, and then, start to “drive” it! Am I wrong in my realization that on an E53, rain sensitive wipers, don’t exist? How can that be, when it’s standard equipment, on a $15,000 Kia???
