Believe it or not, I'm being DOWNsold!
12-20-2018, 12:38 AM
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Check out this video, the 100 to 200 kph time is not that impressive for the E53 AMG.
Yeah you'll be faster in a straight line with a "tune", but you'll be in the weeds in a corner. The placid E450 Cabriolet will not be anywhere near the handling of the E53 Cabriolet. Do you really not grasp that they have differently tuned suspensions? You clearly have not driven the E53 long enough to see any difference so it's completely lost on you.
Going by your logic there is no difference between the E450 and the E53 that is just simply not true no matter how many times you repeat this nonsense man.
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12-20-2018, 12:42 AM
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2018 S560 and 2019 E450 Wagon.
@Germancar1 that's fair. I checked on MB's site and they clearly describe the AMG to have an "Adaptive, self-leveling 4-wheel multilink AMG Adaptive Sport Suspension" while the E450 has a "4-wheel independent, 4-link front/5-arm multilink rear". I have to imagine that the former is much tauter and more stable through corners. But again, as a peacemaker, I really can't comment on the difference and maybe earlier comments were suggesting that the E450 wasn't as "unsporty" as AMG owners think. Further, the 0-60 times are 0.5 secs apart (both pretty fast and much faster than I expected) and the peak torque is close with the E450 reaching it even lower down (but haven't seen the bands so who knows). But what the hell do I know? I drive a WAGON! ;-) 
Anyway, back on topic, I think the OP was being downsold because the residuals on AMGs are pretty low and maybe the salesperson was looking out for them. Now, if one were to buy a used beast. That's a totally different value proposition. Indeed, I'd be curious to know what sticker and resale was on 2012 Merc AMG's old wagon.
Anyway, back on topic, I think the OP was being downsold because the residuals on AMGs are pretty low and maybe the salesperson was looking out for them. Now, if one were to buy a used beast. That's a totally different value proposition. Indeed, I'd be curious to know what sticker and resale was on 2012 Merc AMG's old wagon.
12-20-2018, 12:53 AM
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Oh lord man give it up. Very few if any 6-cylinder luxury/sport sedans have a so called "impressive" 0-125 MPH time. I don't get why you feel you need to constantly deride the E53 if you're so content and satisfied with your E450. The E450 would be even slower to 125 mph.
Yeah you'll be faster in a straight line with a "tune", but you'll be in the weeds in a corner. The placid E450 Cabriolet will not be anywhere near the handling of the E53 Cabriolet. Do you really not grasp that they have differently tuned suspensions? You clearly have not driven the E53 long enough to see any difference so it's completely lost on you.
Going by your logic there is no difference between the E450 and the E53 that is just simply not true no matter how many times you repeat this nonsense man.
M
Yeah you'll be faster in a straight line with a "tune", but you'll be in the weeds in a corner. The placid E450 Cabriolet will not be anywhere near the handling of the E53 Cabriolet. Do you really not grasp that they have differently tuned suspensions? You clearly have not driven the E53 long enough to see any difference so it's completely lost on you.
Going by your logic there is no difference between the E450 and the E53 that is just simply not true no matter how many times you repeat this nonsense man.
M
12-20-2018, 01:10 AM
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The E450 does have a very impressive 0 to 125 mph time for a V6, it will turn the quarter mile in 13.4 seconds stock. To me that is impressive. After my tune I will be high 12's in the quarter mile. I have the same size wheels and tires as does the E53 and a state of the art suspension, air bags are not all they are cracked up to be. I'd love to see a magazine do a track comparison of a tuned E450 vs a stock E53. I'm talking a circle track. I think the problem lies in that is hard to truly drive a car hard in corners on a test drive and people just assume something labeled amg is going to handle better. I can attest from personal experience so far with my car that the handling is right up there with the AMG's
You can argue all day long that the differences between the E450 and the E53 are not worth the coin. I have no issue with that, especially if you're not looking for sport, but this ridiculous argument about a stock E450 being "up there" with a E53 is specious. A tuned E450 will only be faster, not better handling. There is simply NO WAY the E450 handles as good as the E53. Sorry, it just isn't true no matter how much you think it is.
Lastly the E450's 0-125 mph time is impressive? Compared to what? My guess is that your standard for impressive is really low.
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12-20-2018, 07:37 AM
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The E53 for me offers a great all around package. I drive a lot - if the M550 had a 21 gallon tank, I'd of bought it already, however the E53 comes close to V8 power, is very efficient for a 400HP engine, has a 21.1 gallon tank (read great cruising range), and great AMG handling and good looks (not great). I am trying to drive a CLS53, hopefully this weekend - that looks nicer too me, but the rear space may be an issue.
To the poster who keeps talking about the 450, I guess with your logic, you should get a loaded E300 with a tune and save even more? No matter how you slice it - its a personal decision, no right, no wrong. Folks just have to drive the cars and choose what's right for them!
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To the poster who keeps talking about the 450, I guess with your logic, you should get a loaded E300 with a tune and save even more? No matter how you slice it - its a personal decision, no right, no wrong. Folks just have to drive the cars and choose what's right for them!
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12-20-2018, 09:30 AM
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As far as discounts go, yes the trades definitely have something to do with it. I traded in my S550 and they only gave me 45K for that car and then retailed it for 59K, it probably cost the dealer around 5K to certify the car but the car was not on their website long so I suspect they made at least 7 or 8 grand on my trade. Other than that I probably woulda only got around 4 or 5 grand off the sticker of the E450 Wagon instead of 10 grand.
Going back to the topic...which is better, depends on what customer wants - great acceleration and handling (but both not on par with E63) of E43/E53 vs. still very good acceleration and very good handling (latter especially compared to my former W212 '14 E550, which to my surprise is still on their lot after three weeks, maybe because they did not CPO it) of E450. I chose E450 not because it was less expensive (still bought $80K MSRP car) and certainly not because it was "better" that E43/E53, but because it was a car that suited my needs/wants more than E43/E53 does.
12-22-2018, 12:32 PM
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Ok, so I finally got a chance to drive both an E450 and an E53, back to back.
I appreciate all of the comments received here, and they helped in my observation process.
As to performance, I'm not very experienced in this respect and didn't notice the .5 second difference in 0-60 times. Both were very fast, about the same as my current car, a 2016 BMW 750. Admittedly, the dealer was riding with me, so I didn't really PUSH it (I remember when you could take a new car out for a test ride by yourself...)
As to ride quality, here too, I noticed no difference. Both handled well, and were very smooth on the road. I didn't try the more aggressive settings as, frankly, they don't interest me.
As to sound, personally, I didn't care for the constant burbling from the engine on the E53. I understand that this is part of the attraction for some, but to me, it reminded me of when I was young, and put baseball cards (Mickey Mantle #1?) on my bicycle wheels to emulate a motorcycle.
So, after the test drives, I'm working with the sales person to order an E450, Lunar Blue, Nut Brown/Espresso Brown Nappa leather interior, almost every option except for the panorama roof, and the Burmester High-End 3D Surround Sound system (I mostly listen to audio books and country western music).
Delivery for mid July when my family and I will embark on a 2 week road trip the day after I pick up the car.
HBH
I appreciate all of the comments received here, and they helped in my observation process.
As to performance, I'm not very experienced in this respect and didn't notice the .5 second difference in 0-60 times. Both were very fast, about the same as my current car, a 2016 BMW 750. Admittedly, the dealer was riding with me, so I didn't really PUSH it (I remember when you could take a new car out for a test ride by yourself...)
As to ride quality, here too, I noticed no difference. Both handled well, and were very smooth on the road. I didn't try the more aggressive settings as, frankly, they don't interest me.
As to sound, personally, I didn't care for the constant burbling from the engine on the E53. I understand that this is part of the attraction for some, but to me, it reminded me of when I was young, and put baseball cards (Mickey Mantle #1?) on my bicycle wheels to emulate a motorcycle.
So, after the test drives, I'm working with the sales person to order an E450, Lunar Blue, Nut Brown/Espresso Brown Nappa leather interior, almost every option except for the panorama roof, and the Burmester High-End 3D Surround Sound system (I mostly listen to audio books and country western music).
Delivery for mid July when my family and I will embark on a 2 week road trip the day after I pick up the car.
HBH
12-22-2018, 01:04 PM
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I think your choice will meet your needs to a tee. Congratulations!
I am picking up my 2019 E450 this Thursday.
I placed my order on September 26 and the car arrived first week December, 10 weeks. (delayed delivery as the lease on my 2016 E350 ends on December 30)
So you should expect your car middle of March.
I am picking up my 2019 E450 this Thursday.
I placed my order on September 26 and the car arrived first week December, 10 weeks. (delayed delivery as the lease on my 2016 E350 ends on December 30)
So you should expect your car middle of March.
12-22-2018, 01:21 PM
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Ok, so I finally got a chance to drive both an E450 and an E53, back to back.
I appreciate all of the comments received here, and they helped in my observation process.
As to performance, I'm not very experienced in this respect and didn't notice the .5 second difference in 0-60 times. Both were very fast, about the same as my current car, a 2016 BMW 750. Admittedly, the dealer was riding with me, so I didn't really PUSH it (I remember when you could take a new car out for a test ride by yourself...)
As to ride quality, here too, I noticed no difference. Both handled well, and were very smooth on the road. I didn't try the more aggressive settings as, frankly, they don't interest me.
As to sound, personally, I didn't care for the constant burbling from the engine on the E53. I understand that this is part of the attraction for some, but to me, it reminded me of when I was young, and put baseball cards (Mickey Mantle #1?) on my bicycle wheels to emulate a motorcycle.
So, after the test drives, I'm working with the sales person to order an E450, Lunar Blue, Nut Brown/Espresso Brown Nappa leather interior, almost every option except for the panorama roof, and the Burmester High-End 3D Surround Sound system (I mostly listen to audio books and country western music).
Delivery for mid July when my family and I will embark on a 2 week road trip the day after I pick up the car.
HBH
I appreciate all of the comments received here, and they helped in my observation process.
As to performance, I'm not very experienced in this respect and didn't notice the .5 second difference in 0-60 times. Both were very fast, about the same as my current car, a 2016 BMW 750. Admittedly, the dealer was riding with me, so I didn't really PUSH it (I remember when you could take a new car out for a test ride by yourself...)
As to ride quality, here too, I noticed no difference. Both handled well, and were very smooth on the road. I didn't try the more aggressive settings as, frankly, they don't interest me.
As to sound, personally, I didn't care for the constant burbling from the engine on the E53. I understand that this is part of the attraction for some, but to me, it reminded me of when I was young, and put baseball cards (Mickey Mantle #1?) on my bicycle wheels to emulate a motorcycle.
So, after the test drives, I'm working with the sales person to order an E450, Lunar Blue, Nut Brown/Espresso Brown Nappa leather interior, almost every option except for the panorama roof, and the Burmester High-End 3D Surround Sound system (I mostly listen to audio books and country western music).
Delivery for mid July when my family and I will embark on a 2 week road trip the day after I pick up the car.
HBH
12-22-2018, 02:33 PM
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Rod, you beat me to the punch. I was going to mention that a frequent lurker in this forum would surely be jumping in to complement him in his color choice!
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12-22-2018, 03:49 PM
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I've test driven an E450 and, for a variety of reasons, am now leaning strongly toward it over an A6.
When I ask the sales person about an E53, he is urging me to stay away from that version as it would be rougher riding and less quiet (both important to me).
Is this a true issue, or can the E53 be about as smooth and quiet as an e450? It's not an issue of wanting me to order a car from the lot, as I'd need to factory order either model.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
HBH
When I ask the sales person about an E53, he is urging me to stay away from that version as it would be rougher riding and less quiet (both important to me).
Is this a true issue, or can the E53 be about as smooth and quiet as an e450? It's not an issue of wanting me to order a car from the lot, as I'd need to factory order either model.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
HBH
12-22-2018, 09:24 PM
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