hyperion667

Yeah guys

SW20S

I wouldn't say I "love" the Lucid, I sat in one for 30 minutes...I would have to drive it and see what the ownership experience would be like, etc. I do greatly dislike the styling of the EQS, but I'm sure it rides and drives great, but the styling would be a total deal killer for me and the yoke in the Plaid would be a deal killer for me with that...

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but not their own facts. The Lucid has just as much room inside as a flagship style sedan. Its not comparable to the EQE which will be much smaller inside and not nearly as well equipped.

ua549

There is never enough driver legroom no matter the brand. I'm not very tall but at 6', but I have long legs. I drive with the Italian arms out posture so I want the steering wheel as far away from me as it will go. That goes for the pedals as well. The only car that has fit me well is a Porsche with 45" + driver legroom. In each of the MB's I've owned I still feel cramped with the seat all of the way back and the seat back tilted for an arms out driving position.

kp117

If by "facts" you mean that marketing material from Lucid, then I think you need to do some more fact-checking. As others have stated, there are far more variables to interior space than the one-dimensional measurements that you have posted.

SW20S

Have you sat in the two cars back to back and then gotten in an S Class and driven home? I have. The Lucid is very comparable to the S Class in interior space. The EQS is too but the high dash makes it feel tighter, and the seating position in the rear is not as “typical” as an ICE sedan, the Lucid is more typical.

js_cls

I agree about the high dashboard, definitely something to get use to, although I have noticed after sitting in the 450+ and 580 back to back that the dashboard is lower in the 450+ (without hyperscreen) and is significantly noticeable, feeling more open/visible out the front.

SW20S

It is a little lower, but the hyper screen looks much nicer. Tough trade off…

js_cls

The hyperscreen is definitely very beautiful and impressive. While the non-hyperscreen is not as impressive looking, I have found that the laser-etched star trim is a nice trade off as it allows for some extra bling and impressive details. The stars light up with the selected ambient lighting color (works with both monotone and multi-color) and looks fantastic at night, adding some flair in absence of the hyperscreen. I still think for an EQS I'd take a hyperscreen since the vehicle is already in the six-figure range, but for an EQE I'd probably skip it and get this cool trim instead.

SW20S

That is a cool detail I agree...

StormingHabs

Have a couple of Tesla Model Xs and since I've only had Teslas since 2016 I thought I'd look at what else is out there. Inquired about the EQS 580 that Fletcher Jones in Newport Beach have in stock but they wanted $50k over MSRP so no... won't be getting that.

MbEQEHopeful

Fletcher Jones has always been the worst experience for me, regardless of what brand you contact them for. They wanted a $20k markup on an etron (with 20 on the lot), and their Mercedes is the same deal - both Bay Area and Southern California dealers. I don't know how they actually sell cars. There are a few dealers selling at MSRP - Sacramento has a few on the lot, and I think Laguna Niguel which is closer.

stealth.pilot

Apparently the latest round of allocations was pretty anemic. Only 6 EQS allocations across the entire South-East region of 9 states. No allocations in Georgia.

I put down a deposit on a $125k Advanced build EQS580 with a $10k ADM. The car is at port in Germany awaiting shipping. I am thinking of buying it as a bridge car, until my own EQS580 build arrives. On the one hand this car is pretty bare bones and the same price as my loaded Exclusive model, but on the other hand I would rather drive this for a few months than my Tesla. The way I see it, my one could take a while given the lack of allocations, and the temporary one I buy will likely hold its value well while I bridge the gap.

Any thoughts on this? Does anyone think I will take a massive hit on it if I ultimately sell it myself.

ua549

First year depreciation is always massive so you'll take one or perhaps two hits. One for each purchase.

js_cls

Depending on how rare EQS580’s stay within the next year its possible to hold value well but not exactly guaranteed, especially since your car would also be an additional 10 over. I’m friends with GM at my store and he told me about a customer at another MB dealer that bought an EQS580 at sticker and then flipped it to another store.

stealth.pilot

In a normal market environment. But my 2020 GLE450 is currently worth more than I bought it for 2 years ago.

stealth.pilot

this was the ADM on the AMG GT Black Series

places

This an old post, nothing new here.

As for your situation, if the market continues to stay where it is you should be fine to bridge the ordered car as long as you aren't paying ADM, it's not a bad idea. As for the risk side, what is your tolerance for potential loss? Are you okay with that?

svp6

Been through that process with our first model 3. The waiting line seemed endless, so I figured we will get the RWD long range (that was the only one available), then get the AWD performance when our second reservation comes through. Early sale prices looked favorable, but in the end we took a 10k hit. You never know what Mercedes will prioritize for production, so the supply may suddenly change.

SW20S

He won't take a hit now...he'll be able to sell his EQS at least for MSRP.

jbattan

One day for fun I stood around the showroom lot at Fletcher Jones and hovered around prospective buyers as they were browsing the lot. Inevitably, over a dozen times, the sales rep would come out and tell a passionate story how their new Internet sales manager came in and cut the prices on everything so much that the absolute maximum off they could offer on any car was $500. The young couple would solemnly nod their head up and down and like sheep, believe them. It took me 3 1/2 hours of negotiating to get 7% off my car from them. This was before the chip shortage.

ua549

He will take a $10k hit for the ADM he paid.

stealth.pilot

I always negotiate remotely. One time I bought an E63S which was in stock at a dealer in dallas. That dealer wouldn't budge from MSRP, so I bought it from a dealer in Louisiana who got the car from the Dallas dealer via an allocation swap and sold it to me for Invoice plus $500.

Going into the dealership is a waste of time. The very act of going in there makes it harder to distinguish yourself from the people who don't understand the market.

SW20S

Quite frankly...big deal...he was able to drive the car and got use out of it for the time it took his custom order to come in...and that cost him $10,000.

And you don't know that, he may get some or all of that back, I have seen used high demand cars sell for more than new MSRP

ua549

Anyone who pays more than MSRP does not know how to negotiate. I generally negotiate for a discount of 5% off MSRP or more. I currently have outstanding orders for an EQS 580 and an EQS 450 at prices guaranteed not greater than MSRP.

SW20S

With some really in demand vehicles you're not going to have any choice, but it doesn't surprise me you could find a dealer that would order you an EQS for MSRP.

If the dealer can sell the car for an ADM, no matter how good a negotiator you are, they're not going to sell it to you lol. Why would they? Finding a dealer that will order you one for MSRP isn't "negotiating"