Tires specifically for EVs...
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Tires specifically for EVs...
We have seen a ton of posts here about tires, but, to my untutored eye, this one seems to be different:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/12...pecific-tires/
Everything stated seems to ring true, although I'm confident there will be some picking at parts of it.
Nevertheless - the key questions are:
Which tires are best for our EQS cars? For winter driving? For non-winter driving?
Who has the best answers???
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/12...pecific-tires/
Everything stated seems to ring true, although I'm confident there will be some picking at parts of it.
Nevertheless - the key questions are:
Which tires are best for our EQS cars? For winter driving? For non-winter driving?
Who has the best answers???
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I am sure more EV tires & tests will come with more sales. Other question is efficiency vs performance of tires:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=298
"Summary:
Tire design always involves compromise. You have to give a little to get a little, and the two tires in our test are excellent illustrations of that point. Where do your priorities lie? The original equipment Michelin Primacy MXM4 T1 is an excellent match for our Tesla Model 3 test vehicle, delivering test-leading comfort and refinement on the road plus significantly more efficiency and range. The CrossClimate2 is no slouch on the road, with ride and noise characteristics that are just a touch off the standard set by the OE tire, plus steering that is much more engaging. Where the CrossClimate2 shines is its impressive traction characteristics, both in the wet and the dry. Which tire is the "winner" really depends on what is most important to you as a driver, but we can confidently say you won't go wrong either way."
What makes EV tires different, and why should you fit them:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=298
"Summary:
Tire design always involves compromise. You have to give a little to get a little, and the two tires in our test are excellent illustrations of that point. Where do your priorities lie? The original equipment Michelin Primacy MXM4 T1 is an excellent match for our Tesla Model 3 test vehicle, delivering test-leading comfort and refinement on the road plus significantly more efficiency and range. The CrossClimate2 is no slouch on the road, with ride and noise characteristics that are just a touch off the standard set by the OE tire, plus steering that is much more engaging. Where the CrossClimate2 shines is its impressive traction characteristics, both in the wet and the dry. Which tire is the "winner" really depends on what is most important to you as a driver, but we can confidently say you won't go wrong either way."
What makes EV tires different, and why should you fit them:
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"The CrossClimate2 is no slouch on the road, with ride and noise characteristics that are just a touch off the standard set by the OE tire, plus steering that is much more engaging. Where the CrossClimate2 shines is its impressive traction characteristics, both in the wet and the dry."
Makes me feel very good that I put a set of these on my 450+ about two months or so back!
Makes me feel very good that I put a set of these on my 450+ about two months or so back!
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The huge confusion for me is all the tires recommended for my 580 SUV that are in fact not made for EV’s. The Tire Rack site has dozens listed but none mention EV at all. Can they be used? Probably so. Are they the best for EV’s as far as safety and great mileage? Who knows…..
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Without touching at all on any other aspect of this video, and based on my nearly 7 decades of sales experience, this is plainly first and primarily a sales commercial for Hankook tires, nothing more, nothing less.
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It wasn't until I stumbled across a couple of these EV tire discussion threads in this forum that I realized how specialized and important this subject is.
So, while these videos may be advertisements at heart, I find them to be very educational. A great first step into what I'm sure is a blossoming minefield of choices.
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But its unfair to say that the video is "nothing more" than a commercial for Hankook. The rest of the video seems informative, and unbiased, and I've found other videos from his channel (on both EV and ICE technology) to be thorough and impartial.
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Nothing unfair at all. It's calling a spade a spade.It is what it is. Nothing against Hankook for commissioning it.
As with all adverts it's selling its product and featuring its points. Pirelli, Michelin, Goodyear, Conti all do the same thing - feature its own points of strength. My company did it with its products - standard marketing procedure.
Testing is done in-house, unsubstantiated by separate qualified independent research.
I'm not being cynical, just realistic.
As with all adverts it's selling its product and featuring its points. Pirelli, Michelin, Goodyear, Conti all do the same thing - feature its own points of strength. My company did it with its products - standard marketing procedure.
Testing is done in-house, unsubstantiated by separate qualified independent research.
I'm not being cynical, just realistic.
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To torture the analogy, I sense it as calling a spade a rook. One can filter out the brand-specific hype to learn about the fundamental technical issues from the previously established and reliable source. So, it is "something" more than Hankook advertising...to what degree we can each decide, but it's not zero as you had suggested with "nothing more".
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To torture the analogy, I sense it as calling a spade a rook. One can filter out the brand-specific hype to learn about the fundamental technical issues from the previously established and reliable source. So, it is "something" more than Hankook advertising...to what degree we can each decide, but it's not zero as you had suggested with "nothing more".
Here's a whole bunch of fervid opinions...https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/12...omments-page=1
Note mentions of high mileage on EV tires. :
Not saying there's no meat in the chatter, but there's lots of "Proof" backing up different tires and driving styles.
Just don't take everything you read as Gospel, 'cause it ain't...especially when a supplier of the product pays for the presentation.
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Here' Goodyear's version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XhDTPijEvc
EDIT: OK, from your additional writing, I think you meant this as a figure of speech and not literally, perhaps? Clearly, this is promotional material, but the added information surrounding the promotional aspect is different than "nothing", which I took literally as you first wrote it.
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Mercedes OEM tires are all EV optimized, and the 2 that I have tried are excellent. The LM005 and F1 are both top-notch. I let someone with Turanzas speak for those. Finally, there's the PS4 which IMO is the best super performance tire bar none. I really dont think any other tire is necessary. The cross climate is a great one wheel solution but I dont think it is a very effeciency minded tire, in fact the opposite.
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Mercedes OEM tires are all EV optimized, and the 2 that I have tried are excellent. The LM005 and F1 are both top-notch. I let someone with Turanzas speak for those. Finally, there's the PS4 which IMO is the best super performance tire bar none. I really dont think any other tire is necessary. The cross climate is a great one wheel solution but I dont think it is a very effeciency minded tire, in fact the opposite.
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Mercedes OEM tires are all EV optimized, and the 2 that I have tried are excellent. The LM005 and F1 are both top-notch. I let someone with Turanzas speak for those. Finally, there's the PS4 which IMO is the best super performance tire bar none. I really dont think any other tire is necessary. The cross climate is a great one wheel solution but I dont think it is a very effeciency minded tire, in fact the opposite.
https://www.google.com/search?q=PS-4+tires&source=hp&ei=S5-nY_CfFL_B0PEPlc-Q8Ao&oq=PS-4+tires&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBADMgcIABC ABBANMgcIABCABBANMgYIABAeEA0yCAgAEBYQHhAKMggIABAWE B4QCjIICAAQCBAeEA0yCAgAEAgQHhANMggIABAIEB4QDToECCk QHjoHCCkQoAEQCjoICCkQgAQQ1AI6AggpOgUIKRCABDoLCCkQg AQQsQMQgwE6DggAEI8BEOoCEIwDEOUCOgUIABCRAjoLCC4QxwE QrwEQkQI6BQgAEIAEOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoLCAAQg AQQsQMQgwE6CwguEIAEEMcBENEDOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARDRAzo OCC4QgwEQsQMQgAQQ5QQ6BAgAEEM6DQguELEDEIMBENQCEEM6D gguEIAEELEDEIMBEOUEOggILhCABBDUAjoICC4QgAQQ5QQ6BQg uEIAEOg0IABCABBCxAxCDARANOgcILhCABBANOg0ILhCvARDHA RCABBANOg0ILhCABBDHARCvARANUM0SWIljYKKlAWgBcAB4AIA B7gGIAdELkgEFMC44LjKYAQCgAQGwARk&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#fpstate=reviews
I am definitely a one-wheel solution car owner.
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In my southwest desert environment, I love these on my extra "toy", 6MT, RWD, 2 Series BMW. How do you manage the winter season, not so much for getting moving, but for security for stopping/turning on ice/snow in your location?
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The same way we and by far the majority of us here always have. If we don’t feel our vehicles can handle conditions, we don’t drive in those conditions.
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I understand the philosophy but a set of winter tires can take a vehicle than can’t handle the conditions and turn it into one that can. If you have to get to work outside of home, this can be important.
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The Pilot Sport 4s is widely regarded as the best ultimate performance summer tire in the market. It outsells all other tires in its category combined. Furthermore its is the tire selected for essentially every european high performance car manufacturer. The only tires that offer higher performance are racing tires like the sport cup.There are other very good ones that might beat it in one parameter or another but when you put everything together, none comes close.PS 4S and PS AS4 are totally different tires. Common mistake....The first one is a summer performance tire, the AS4, is an all season tire. The Cross Climate offer categorically better snow performance than the AS.
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Yes, the video was sponsored by Hankook. To the video creator's credit, he says so upfront. So it's not surprising that he uses Hankook tires to illustrate his points.
But its unfair to say that the video is "nothing more" than a commercial for Hankook. The rest of the video seems informative, and unbiased, and I've found other videos from his channel (on both EV and ICE technology) to be thorough and impartial.
But its unfair to say that the video is "nothing more" than a commercial for Hankook. The rest of the video seems informative, and unbiased, and I've found other videos from his channel (on both EV and ICE technology) to be thorough and impartial.
When I purchased winter tyres I got an offer for EV tyres and learned the only difference to the same "ordinary" tyre from the same brand was a foam layer inside the tyre to reduce tyre noise. Now this could be an EV thing in the sense that electric cars are more quiet and a reduction in tyre noise is perhaps notable. Still any tyre noise reduction is a factor for ICE cars too.
Rolling resistance is perhaps important for EVs, specifically those that have a relatively low range. Even if ICE cars have no range issues, the fuel savings are equally valid.
When someone makes a fuss about EV specific tyres, I cannot avoid taking it as an advertisement for car owners who don't care to study the topic but accept the best sales talk.
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The video was informative but describes EV tyres more specific than they are (in my opinion with limited knowledge on the topic). I'd pick up a few points like weight, noise and rolling resistance. EVs are heavy but so are some other heavy cars. Tyres have a load index that serves heavy EVs equally as other heavy cars. Obviously one needs to pay attention to the load index in both cases. Perhaps some owners do not realise that a small sedan can be heavy but still no specific EV load index.
When I purchased winter tyres I got an offer for EV tyres and learned the only difference to the same "ordinary" tyre from the same brand was a foam layer inside the tyre to reduce tyre noise. Now this could be an EV thing in the sense that electric cars are more quiet and a reduction in tyre noise is perhaps notable. Still any tyre noise reduction is a factor for ICE cars too.
Rolling resistance is perhaps important for EVs, specifically those that have a relatively low range. Even if ICE cars have no range issues, the fuel savings are equally valid.
When someone makes a fuss about EV specific tyres, I cannot avoid taking it as an advertisement for car owners who don't care to study the topic but accept the best sales talk.
When I purchased winter tyres I got an offer for EV tyres and learned the only difference to the same "ordinary" tyre from the same brand was a foam layer inside the tyre to reduce tyre noise. Now this could be an EV thing in the sense that electric cars are more quiet and a reduction in tyre noise is perhaps notable. Still any tyre noise reduction is a factor for ICE cars too.
Rolling resistance is perhaps important for EVs, specifically those that have a relatively low range. Even if ICE cars have no range issues, the fuel savings are equally valid.
When someone makes a fuss about EV specific tyres, I cannot avoid taking it as an advertisement for car owners who don't care to study the topic but accept the best sales talk.
When I purchased winter tyres I got an offer for EV tyres and learned the only difference to the same "ordinary" tyre from the same brand was a foam layer inside the tyre to reduce tyre noise.
Rolling resistance is perhaps important for EVs, specifically those that have a relatively low range. Even if ICE cars have no range issues, the fuel savings are equally valid.
I cannot avoid taking it as an advertisement for car owners who don't care to study the topic but accept the best sales talk.
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This post screams "I did not watch any of the videos posted above"
The video clearly states that there are more differences, whoever told you that the only difference was the foam was misinformed.
"Equally Valid?" What? No! Rolling resistance makes a BIGGER difference to EVs because of the High efficiency of motors and low energy capacity of batteries!
You my firend are the prime example of someone that who doesnt care "to study the topic" You cant even bother to watch or comprehend an educational video (regardless of the fact that it was sponsored by marketing). The video had facts, do some research with an open mind and recognize what is based in facts/truth and what it purely "sales talk."
The video clearly states that there are more differences, whoever told you that the only difference was the foam was misinformed.
"Equally Valid?" What? No! Rolling resistance makes a BIGGER difference to EVs because of the High efficiency of motors and low energy capacity of batteries!
You my firend are the prime example of someone that who doesnt care "to study the topic" You cant even bother to watch or comprehend an educational video (regardless of the fact that it was sponsored by marketing). The video had facts, do some research with an open mind and recognize what is based in facts/truth and what it purely "sales talk."
In the case of the Hankook commercial, yes, some "facts" are presented...but the reader/viewer has no way to determine or discriminate amongst these "facts," and alternative "facts" not shown. It is, plain and simply, a sales/marketing tool for Hankook, and, as such, is deserving of being viewed challengingly. When such material is created and presented for and/or by a specific company, there is no defense against potential bias, and no way to challenge any aspect of it. The format, the specifics, the entire presentation had to meet the sponsor's criteria and goals, or it wouldn't have been released. I don't think anyone can reasonably deny that.
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The video was informative but describes EV tyres more specific than they are (in my opinion with limited knowledge on the topic). I'd pick up a few points like weight, noise and rolling resistance. EVs are heavy but so are some other heavy cars. Tyres have a load index that serves heavy EVs equally as other heavy cars. Obviously one needs to pay attention to the load index in both cases. Perhaps some owners do not realise that a small sedan can be heavy but still no specific EV load index. When I purchased winter tyres I got an offer for EV tyres and learned the only difference to the same "ordinary" tyre from the same brand was a foam layer inside the tyre to reduce tyre noise. Now this could be an EV thing in the sense that electric cars are more quiet and a reduction in tyre noise is perhaps notable. Still any tyre noise reduction is a factor for ICE cars too. Rolling resistance is perhaps important for EVs, specifically those that have a relatively low range. Even if ICE cars have no range issues, the fuel savings are equally valid. When someone makes a fuss about EV specific tyres, I cannot avoid taking it as an advertisement for car owners who don't care to study the topic but accept the best sales talk.
