2022 GWagon Assembly line closing - converting to hybrid
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Assembly line closing
Hello, i am the autor of the Facebook post.
What the dealer told me is they are closing the V8 AMG engine assembly line, and converting to hybrid engine. They told me this will impact 2022 delivery date.
Uppon searching on internet i did findinfo that could confirm my dealer information. MB has been working on 48V elecric assist for a while. Also the 2024 range for all electric looks on par with other news sites.
What the dealer told me is they are closing the V8 AMG engine assembly line, and converting to hybrid engine. They told me this will impact 2022 delivery date.
Uppon searching on internet i did findinfo that could confirm my dealer information. MB has been working on 48V elecric assist for a while. Also the 2024 range for all electric looks on par with other news sites.
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Spoke to my dealer this morning about changing a build I have in. He said they’re continuing production with MY ‘21 options into ‘22. Reason being they were changing the injectors on the current motors but couldn’t get them to pass emissions so they’re postponing all changes, I guess that would validate the E63 and GT63S ‘22 cancellations also. Also asked him about the 73 hybrid version and said he’d heard of MB making it available in ‘23 but not confirmed. This also came from a GM and not a salesman, I guess its all here say till MB actually confirms anything.
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Not that this thread is to bash EVs....as I know its coming
but when the world changes to EV's, we will need to address how we pay for road tax with a large percentage of road tax paid by gas
Ive heard that EV's may end up having a large "road tax" put on them....making the economics turn
but when the world changes to EV's, we will need to address how we pay for road tax with a large percentage of road tax paid by gas
Ive heard that EV's may end up having a large "road tax" put on them....making the economics turn
Hydrogen is what we should use and Toyota is the only manufacture left still doing the R&D and it looks like they are getting crushed. The USA needs to solve the electricity problem anyway whether electricity is stored in batteries or electricity is used to create hydrogen. There would be a lot less battery waste on the earth and a lot less destruction from mining holes in the earth to produce the batteries decades into the future if we used hydrogen. Nuclear power and hydrogen cars FTW. Covering our deserts with solar panels is a bad idea.
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Spoke to my dealer this morning about changing a build I have in. He said they’re continuing production with MY ‘21 options into ‘22. Reason being they were changing the injectors on the current motors but couldn’t get them to pass emissions so they’re postponing all changes, I guess that would validate the E63 and GT63S ‘22 cancellations also. Also asked him about the 73 hybrid version and said he’d heard of MB making it available in ‘23 but not confirmed. This also came from a GM and not a salesman, I guess its all here say till MB actually confirms anything.
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No more MB:(
Originally Posted by hard top
I pay $300 EV tax per year to WA state for my Volt. The bandwagon for EV's to save the world is capitalism in action. We will be paying more for electricity than we would for gas and diesel, cars will be cheaper to produce and cost more. Already the charging stations are absolutely outrageously mind boggling expensive and they take forever. It is not worth it at all to have an EV outside of town and it wont be practical to have out in the country for decades. When I started the EV experiment all charging stations were free across the USA.
Hydrogen is what we should use and Toyota is the only manufacture left still doing the R&D and it looks like they are getting crushed. The USA needs to solve the electricity problem anyway whether electricity is stored in batteries or electricity is used to create hydrogen. There would be a lot less battery waste on the earth and a lot less destruction from mining holes in the earth to produce the batteries decades into the future if we used hydrogen. Nuclear power and hydrogen cars FTW. Covering our deserts with solar panels is a bad idea.
Hydrogen is what we should use and Toyota is the only manufacture left still doing the R&D and it looks like they are getting crushed. The USA needs to solve the electricity problem anyway whether electricity is stored in batteries or electricity is used to create hydrogen. There would be a lot less battery waste on the earth and a lot less destruction from mining holes in the earth to produce the batteries decades into the future if we used hydrogen. Nuclear power and hydrogen cars FTW. Covering our deserts with solar panels is a bad idea.
Also I agree with pretty much everything you said although true capitalism would allow markets to dictate. That's not what is happening. This mandate is being pushed on us by governments and bureaucrats.
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My 2013 Volt doesn't support fast charging (DC charging) like most cars do today, but those DC charging stations that are in malls and other commercial properties are even more expensive. The charge providers see value in the electricity charge rate of DC and cost usage even higher than an L2 charger. But to offer charging, too many companies have their hand in it and that makes it expensive. The credit card company fees, the provider of the slider to accept the credit card and send it to the merchant, the charging station itself, the electricity, the space the chargers are on, the firmware upgrade maintenance on the stations and the network required which is often wireless. Everyone involved in that stack of services/vendors wants to profit. There are still free L2 chargers out there and the charge prices do vary depending on if the property owner is trying to attract EV drivers and subsidies to support the service. They also have to pay for vandals, accidental damage, people that cut the charge cable for copper scrap and other unexpected maintenance. In some areas of the PNW and I'm sure other areas of the US, you can't just have copper laying around exposed and unprotected as charging stations normally are.
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I pay $300 EV tax per year to WA state for my Volt. The bandwagon for EV's to save the world is capitalism in action. We will be paying more for electricity than we would for gas and diesel, cars will be cheaper to produce and cost more. Already the charging stations are absolutely outrageously mind boggling expensive and they take forever. It is not worth it at all to have an EV outside of town and it wont be practical to have out in the country for decades. When I started the EV experiment all charging stations were free across the USA.
Hydrogen is what we should use and Toyota is the only manufacture left still doing the R&D and it looks like they are getting crushed. The USA needs to solve the electricity problem anyway whether electricity is stored in batteries or electricity is used to create hydrogen. There would be a lot less battery waste on the earth and a lot less destruction from mining holes in the earth to produce the batteries decades into the future if we used hydrogen. Nuclear power and hydrogen cars FTW. Covering our deserts with solar panels is a bad idea.
Hydrogen is what we should use and Toyota is the only manufacture left still doing the R&D and it looks like they are getting crushed. The USA needs to solve the electricity problem anyway whether electricity is stored in batteries or electricity is used to create hydrogen. There would be a lot less battery waste on the earth and a lot less destruction from mining holes in the earth to produce the batteries decades into the future if we used hydrogen. Nuclear power and hydrogen cars FTW. Covering our deserts with solar panels is a bad idea.
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Not that this thread is to bash EVs....as I know its coming
but when the world changes to EV's, we will need to address how we pay for road tax with a large percentage of road tax paid by gas
Ive heard that EV's may end up having a large "road tax" put on them....making the economics turn
but when the world changes to EV's, we will need to address how we pay for road tax with a large percentage of road tax paid by gas
Ive heard that EV's may end up having a large "road tax" put on them....making the economics turn
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Hmm, I posted my reply previously, but it seems to have disappeared. The government will probably mandate a pay per mile tax using a cellular link. This way they get a two-for - the revenue and they can track you every move just like they are try to do with cameras, license plate readers, and toll transponders (these are not being read in thousands of locations other than tollways).
Nobody knows what they last paid their electric company per kilowatt-hour. I'm on autopay -- I don't even know what my last bill's total was. Nobody knows how many kwhrs it takes to charge their EV, much less "how empty" their battery was or how many miles per kwhr their EV averages. So state and local governments will pull some numbers out of the air and apply them to electric utility rates across the board. If you own an EV, you'll be subsidizing the roads and bridges. If you don't own an EV, you'll be paying taxes as a penalty to subsidize roads and bridges. Electric rates will sky-rocket -- x10 if your juice comes from fossil fuel plants -- only x8 if your juice comes from a renewable. Install your own solar panels? You'll get taxed on their presumed output. EVs will cost more per mile than ICEs by the time the taxman gets fed.
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