GASOLINE WARNING!!!! EPA SUCKS!!!!
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Miami, with all due respect. I will be willing to avert, or at least try to avert from politics. But if you believe ethanol has positive qualities for fuel you obviously need to do much more research before you should, IMO, comment. I cannot think of a positive attribute of ethanol. It has less BTU's, less power, delivers less MPG, is corrosive; especially in higher concentrations, and uses more energy to develop than it saves. If I missed anything please feel free to comment. And yes it is just our politicians because they mandated the 10% ethanol or renewable fuel be mixed with gasoline.
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If it were not for the EPA there wouldn't see a NYC or LA skyline, remember how bad it was in the 1980's...? So you want to be like China who has no regulations and their people have to stay inside because pollution is so bad. You can always move to a 3rd world nation they will give you gas with no ethanol. I like my HP and cars but I'm not letting the world go to ***** for my kids. Please stop supporting the oil industry in brainwashing our airwaves because they already have brainwashed/paid for the majority of our politicians.
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Mea Culpa, my apologies to all if I vented and brought politics in but I feel the ethanol debacle is the result of politics. But I will try to keep it more concerned with the ethanol issue.
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Miami, there may be some misperception, possibly on your part here. The purpose of ethanol is NOT to reduce emissions. The purpose of ethanol is to, supposedly and originally, to decrease the dependence on foreign oil. It was to reduce 10% of oil imported. However, it fails. The creation of ethanol uses more energy than it saves. As an example, the seed producer ships the seed to distributors by truck using fuel, the farmer drives trucks to the distributor to pick up the seeds, again using fuel, the farmer plants the seeds using a tractor using fuel, the farmer harvests the crop using a tractor or combine using fuel, the farmer transports the corn to an ethanol processing plant using fuel to deliver, the processing plant uses electricity and fuel (gas) to process the corn, and cook the corn batch to convert to alcohol, then it is placed in trucks to be shipped to refineries where it is added to gas. It has already taken more energy to produce than it saves. Then ethanol has fewer BTU's than gasoline so it gets fewer miles per gallon, which means you have to use more fuel to travel the same distance, creating even more pollution. BTW- more pollution is created to produced the electricity at the processing plant and for the electricity or gas or liquified gas to cook that ethanol batch all of which produce pollution. So ethanol has nothing to do with fewer emissions. It is just a program to support the farmers. Now that the farmers use more corn for ethanol there is less for live stock feeding, which converts to simple economics 101, supply and demand, so it costs more to feed horses, pigs, cows, etc, which raises the cost of everything we eat. Again, ethanol is not about pollution.
I also want clean air and water. But the EPA has proven to be tyrannical and dictatorial and sadly lacking in common sense in many areas choosing to protect certain species to the detriment of humans and their families. IMO, they are out of control.
I also want clean air and water. But the EPA has proven to be tyrannical and dictatorial and sadly lacking in common sense in many areas choosing to protect certain species to the detriment of humans and their families. IMO, they are out of control.
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au contraire, the subject of ethanol is relative to this forum, the performance of our vehicles, emissions and miles per gallon. I would think those are all relevant topics to our GLC's. I would think there would be others that would also agree. In addition if higher percentage of ethanol is detrimental to our engines, and would not be covered by warranty, that is also a valid concern and certainly worthy of discussion. Even if politics is removed, then the ethanol issue and its effects is relative.
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Then lets have a dialogue on the merits of ethanol. We look forward to your presenting the advantages of ethanol. I would hope you would also present the disadvantages of ethanol so those on this site can make an informed decision.
BTW- I don't listen to AM talk radio but have nothing against those that do or the speakers.
BTW- I don't listen to AM talk radio but have nothing against those that do or the speakers.
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A forum should be for the open exchange of ideas, not censoring those that speak contrary to your views. If you don't like AM radio you don't call in or you change the channel. The same on a forum thread. You can either join in and politely present your views, supported, hopefully, by proof. Or you can choose to not engage in that thread. But hopefully one does not try to close down the dialogue just because one does not agree or think that others should be able to discuss.
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I am giving you frank and open dialog ... this is the Mercedes GLC forum ... not a Ethanol forum.. personally Rage-Against-The-Machine has a few good tracks to listen to once or twice .. then I for me time to change the station so to speak.
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so change the station or thread. If you wish to comment or contribute on the discussion of ethanol and the effects on engines, the economy, etc then feel free to join in. We welcome your thoughts. If you do not then we must assume you will change the channel (thread) and not try to censor those that wish to speak on the subject of ethanol.Good luck and good day to you.
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BTW- the last I read, Mercedes will not repair damage to engines if using E15. That is certainly relevant to this forum. I think we should all remember that, while the rule of small numbers, going from E 10 to E 15 is a 50% increase in the ethanol content. The vast majority of manufacturers are stating they will not honor engine warranties if damaged by E 15. Thoughts from others on this thread?
