B00STED

I previously made a thread "GLC vs GLE" that basically turned into a questions thread for my Mom's new GLC purchase (might place the order soon). I've been reading into the new generation of engines coming from MB and I'm intrigued by their innovation. Is anyone going to wait for the next gen I4 and I6 engines from MB with electric turbocharging? MB seems to not care about updating their cars every year (400 to 450 to 43 to 43 w/ updated engine) I guess...

ble2716

If you keep waiting for the latest and greatest from MB, year after year. You probably will never own one.

B00STED

Never said she would wait to order it, I'm asking if anyone else is. I just don't understand why MB seems to enjoy screwing the current year customers. I've never seen a car company repeatedly update the same model year after year with BIG changes.

augerpro

I wish more manufacturers would update their model continuously!

Any links to the new motors or info on timelines?

B00STED

I haven't seen a timeline but 2019 looks probable.

By the way, how do you like your 235i? I've been thinking about replacements for my 135i in a few years when it starts breaking as all N54s do lol. 235i seems likely (maybe 240i) but the steering feel in my Mom's current 435i SUCKS. I hope the 2 isn't similar.

augerpro

Love love love my M235. Lease is up the end of the year and having given up hope that any manufacturer would make a decent midsize truck to replace my old Dodge Dakota, I had intended to buy a M240. But then I decided to say heck with the truck and get a good SUV and a utility trailer, hence why I joined this forum. The sooner I get that paid off the sooner I can get back into a fun car like this BMW.

I know many people drive the 435 and M235 back to back and notice a big difference in handling, with the M235 being more agile and nimble, and fun. Steering has nice weight, but really no feel. Pretty common these days though unless you get a Cadillac ATS. Or my old 370Z. But otherwise it has a fantastic balance of qualities and that's what I like most about it. I can take it to the track or canyon run in the summer, or load up the skiis and head to the mountain in safety and comfort in winter (mine is xdrive).

If you intend on tracking it I would lean towards the new M240 since the B58 has a water-to-air intercooler. My N55 gets heatsoaked by about the 3rd run at the dragstrip. If that doesn't matter to you than definitely look for a M235. The HID's are better than the LED's according to the IIHS studies, and HID's are gone with the M240 MY18 (LCI). Otherwise they are pretty much the same as far as I've seen from spy shots.

fabbrisd1

I really don't getr the attitude - "I just don't understand why MB seems to enjoy screwing the current year customers."

fabbrisd1

Oh - I guess MB is "really screwing their customers" - by letting EVERYONE KNOW MARCH 24 2017 the EXACT changes for MY2018 deliveries starting August... see attached summary...

B00STED

Maybe I should've clarified further. The GLC hasn't had the chance to experience this so I was really referencing the C-class. Initially, the C400 was the high end non-AMG C-class. One year later, the C450 replaces it. Ok, Mercedes did something that isn't unheard of (2006 E90 330i to 2007 E90 335i, 1995 M3 3.0 to 1996 M3 3.2). A year after the C450, the C43 is introduced. While the 450 and 43 are basically the same, I would be annoyed that Mercedes sold me a 450 knowing that in one year's time, they would rebadge it to an AMG model. In 2019, Mercedes will presumably have the new I6 to replace the current 43 engine. In my opinion, all of these significant changes leave the owners of the old/current model feeling like they should've waited for the refresh EVEN THOUGH they bought a BRAND NEW model. In other brands, buying a new model at the beginning of its life cycle leaves you with the best car you can buy until it is refreshed/phased out in 4-6 years. With MB's C-class, you have the best car for a year until the new model stomps all over your car. I'm not saying manufacturers shouldn't introduce small changes, but a new engine or model designation year after year is excessive. McLaren 675LT owners even considered suing McLaren if they released the 688HS. All MB was trying to do in my eyes was get customers to take a huge loss on their one year old car to buy the bigger and better version.

dieseldoc

I agree. The 2018 GLCs are not much different than the 2016. The packages have changed. More models. Some new trim. I can order an 18 that is exactly like my 16. I have a fully loaded car. Most manufacturers make some changes year to year.

ble2716

One a bright side, the folks who owned a c400 and enjoy it for a few years. When the times come to upgrade, they'll get a new and better car, knowing it's even better the current C43.
Nothing wrong with that, I don't think.

longslim

I agree it's madding to buy a new model car and the next year the model is gone. I purchased a 2015 CLS400, it came with the M276DELA30 TT after two years that model is gone. Now the C450 E400 GLE400 all had this engine and where phase out after one year. The kick in the gut is now the same engine is markets as an AMG C43 E43 GLE43. The engine was tune down to 329 bhp in the 400 series.The difference in those models is software and even higher performance software is easily sourced through the aftermarket for far less money. Mercedes has increased turbo boost raising its to 384 lb-ft of torque. That an AMG badge, the 9 speed transmission yield a .02 increase in 60 time costing you another $10/20k more than the previous model year. I know I'd be **** if I had purchases a $60k car that was only made one year. Luckily for us my CLS which cost $71k was totaled out. I didn't get stuck with a dinosaur in three or four years. Nothing wrong with what MBZ has done , but I fell it's a disservice to the uninformed consumer that purchase their cars. They knew these car models where one and done. And that very next year, they where going to re badge it and do a software tune for hp. Walla it's an AMG that'll be $10/20k more please.

B00STED

I was starting to think no-one would agree with me lol. I also forgot to mention the 9G transmission that you brought up, nice catch.

B00STED

You still get that nice feeling of a new car in a few years if MB doesn't refresh its car three times in three years. I'd feel better about owning the best c-class for three years and then getting a new one in three years than having the best c-class for one year and then getting a new one in three years.

dieseldoc

It is how car companies entice you to buy a new car. I think it is a fact of life with everything we purchase. I am an avid photographer. There is always something better coming out. I have been buying cars for almost 40 years. I remember as a child. American cars were changed almost yearly. There are always going to be upgrades and changes. I think we all need to be happy with what we have. I think we are all fortunate to be able to buy such nice cars.

B00STED

Cameras and cars are a false equivalency because of their price and tradition in how both industries update their products. Most car companies don't do dramatic changes to their cars every year. Maybe I'm just used to BMW's typical model update every 4-5 years.

ble2716

I agree with you about the car model changing year after year. It's just silly.
However, updating engines and/or other things to the same model car, year after, is a good thing.

longslim

Some people drink the Kool-Aid with a smile and ask for more.

dejongj

I really don't see the issue with this, and I definitely don't choose to get annoyed by it.

When I test drove the diesel 220d/250d models my mind was made up very quickly that the 43 was the only model for me. So I placed an order there and then. Two weeks later the 350d became available to order. I'm pretty sure my order would have been different if that was known by me and the dealer.

Now six months later, the GLC63 is officially announced. Surely that is a good thing. Yeah I could moan about not having the top model anymore or whatever I could dream up. But what is the point.

Going back to the i4/i6 question, I would not wait unless officially announced and that it is known when/if they will arrive. I would simply get a car for now, as the one guarantee you have is that there will always be changes...

Philamg

All manufacturers change their cars, my last car a Land rover discovery sport was launched in February 15 with a 2.2 diesel engine, in September 15 the engines were changed to 2.0 Ingeniums with 2 different outputs because of Euro 6 emissions rules.
In March you could only get 7 seat cars, in September you could get the lower output engine with 5 seats. The discovery sport has had updates 6 monthly since launch.

dieseldoc

I beg to differ with you about BMW. I have owned Numerous BMWs in past. I have had 5 series where body would stay the same and engine would be changed and transmission would be changed in next model year. Had this happen on more than one occasion. As I stated previously, it is a fact of life that manufacturers make changes. I bought my GLC sight unseen. It was ordered in Nov 2015 before they had been released in the USA. Given that, I knew that over the models lifespan, there was going to be changes including new engines. Again fact of life. Nothing to whine about or state Mercedes is screwing customers.

B00STED

Non-Sequitur. Bmw has carry over models. When a new BMW model comes out, many times they will have the same engine/trans options but in the new body style. With Mercedes, the C400 was all new. The C450 was all new. The C43 was all new. The point is that you can expect BMW to have one transition year, but Mercedes had three years of unpredictability.

dieseldoc

Don't disagree with you there and do not understand their thought process with this. ? Issues with sales. I do not think the C400 sold well. The 43 and 450 are basically the same car. Different badging. Same engine but Mercedes changed transmission from 7 speed to new 9 speed. Some other refinements. This has been planned across their model line. Mercedes also decided to get rid of sport line and make cars Mercedes AMG

mtberman

As for me, I pulled the trigger. The drivetrain is so far updated from the old V6/7-speed that it's current enough to get me to buy one. The 2.0 is a proven and solid unit, and the 9-speed seems to stack up as fairly competitive with the industry's best, the awesome ZF 8-speed everyone else uses.

If this was still the old V6/7-speed, and I knew a 2.0T with 8 or more forward gears was going to be available for the 2019 model year, I would have waited.

MercedesTheBest

with the constant advancement in technology, you'll always be waiting for something better or something will always be changing due to government regulation. get what you like, then get what you like next time you are getting something again.

i wouldn't hold off for a specific engine if i needed/wanted the car now. but it is nice they are bringing back the I6 engine, it was quite the engine.