Cheated?
Originally Posted by rbrylaw
(Post 7462045)
If I purchased a 2019 at the beginning of the new model year and 3 or 4 months later, my new car was replaced with a newer model, I'd feel cheated. Mercedes is certainly hoping people don't do their due diligence and read about the upcoming future models. They don't want people [like us] holding off purchasing a car in anticipation of a completely redesigned model. As it is, your shiny new car is current for one model year. The next model year and your car is outdated. But if you bought a 2019 to find just a few short months later it was redesigned as an all new model, you didn't even get a full year of newness. Of course this is how I would feel and doesn't necessarily have to be how anyone else feels.
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W167 schedule
Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7461994)
The new I6 engines are already on the road in Europe and will be in the CLS this fall. I seriously doubt that the engines had anything to do with the extra model year on the GLE. The engines were done a while ago and are already in production.
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7462084)
If having the latest is important to a person, and they are "in to" cars at all, they will likely know there is a new model coming and hold off buying if possible, or go with a competitor's new model. I think the average Mercedes buyer is less concerned with this, and will see and drive a few cars and get what they like. Then there are those that lease and are kind of locked into a schedule. It is incumbent on the buyer of this large a purchase to do their homework. If one were to feel cheated it's largely their own fault, IMO.
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Originally Posted by rbrylaw
(Post 7462045)
If I purchased a 2019 at the beginning of the new model year and 3 or 4 months later, my new car was replaced with a newer model, I'd feel cheated. Mercedes is certainly hoping people don't do their due diligence and read about the upcoming future models. They don't want people [like us] holding off purchasing a car in anticipation of a completely redesigned model. As it is, your shiny new car is current for one model year. The next model year and your car is outdated. But if you bought a 2019 to find just a few short months later it was redesigned as an all new model, you didn't even get a full year of newness. Of course this is how I would feel and doesn't necessarily have to be how anyone else feels.
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7462088)
I disagree, but we may never know. Designing a new SUV around a totally new powertrain is much different than just slapping basically the same old V6 and V8 in. And who knows where in the W167 development cycle the M256 came in. If the car had already been started around the V6 there certainly would be a time penalty. And accommodating the more robust battery & electrical systems, along with electrically powered AC and water pump is further adaptation. Something caused the schedule to slip at least half a year from the history of this model and in respect to the competitors' timetable (e.g. new X5). I doubt this was intentional.
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Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7461994)
The new I6 engines are already on the road in Europe and will be in the CLS this fall. I seriously doubt that the engines had anything to do with the extra model year on the GLE. The engines were done a while ago and are already in production.
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Reason for delay
Originally Posted by rbrylaw
(Post 7462108)
No need to debate feeling cheated or not. I said it was how I would feel. Other's may feel completely different. They may care. They may not care at all.
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7462403)
I wan't debating feeling cheated, just about the new engines not having an impact.
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I was at my dealer this afternoon and spoke with the Sales Manager. He told me what others have been saying about when the new GLE will arrive in the US. He said it will not be a 2019 as the 2019 will be a short time gap until the new GLE is ready. He also said it will be sold as a 2020, not a 2019. He was told it will be as others have heard, available in the late 1st Q or early 2nd Q in 2019. What was interesting is he said his General Manager was in Atlanta a couple weeks ago at MBUSA headquarters and they not only had a 2020 GLE there, but he was able to drive it. He said it was simply amazing in every way. Since I had not ever driven a GLE, I test drove a 2018. We have a GLC300 but wanted to know how the GLE feels in comparison. It's unmistakable MB, but doesn't have the upscale modern feel we get with the interior of the GLC. I'm sure the 2020 GLE will correct that and then some.
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Originally Posted by rbrylaw
(Post 7462812)
I was at my dealer this afternoon and spoke with the Sales Manager. He told me what others have been saying about when the new GLE will arrive in the US. He said it will not be a 2019 as the 2019 will be a short time gap until the new GLE is ready. He also said it will be sold as a 2020, not a 2019. He was told it will be as others have heard, available in the late 1st Q or early 2nd Q in 2019. What was interesting is he said his General Manager was in Atlanta a couple weeks ago at MBUSA headquarters and they not only had a 2020 GLE there, but he was able to drive it. He said it was simply amazing in every way. Since I had not ever driven a GLE, I test drove a 2018. We have a GLC300 but wanted to know how the GLE feels in comparison. It's unmistakable MB, but doesn't have the upscale modern feel we get with the interior of the GLC. I'm sure the 2020 GLE will correct that and then some.
My MY16 GLC is coming out of lease this December; I've been watching for when GLC gets its refresh (in which case I"d ignore the turn radius thing that bothers me a little), but I've also been watching for the new GLE hoping that it marries the best of all worlds. But a 2020 model will be a bit late for me, this time....ah, the choices! Of course I recognize that this is not a bad problem at all to have. |
Originally Posted by GSOTXL
(Post 7463017)
I've gotten a current-model GLE as a loaner a couple of times when my GLC was in for service (scheduled or recall)...and I get that very same impression that it lacks a more modern feel, BUT I get impressed by the extra roominess and especially the turn radius! I was kind of spoiled in my 2010 then 2013 C300s that they can do tight turns at low speeds (u-turns on narrow roads---no problem!) and the GLC just isn't like that. So I was surprised that the currrent GLE can take turns like the smaller C Class.
My MY16 GLC is coming out of lease this December; I've been watching for when GLC gets its refresh (in which case I"d ignore the turn radius thing that bothers me a little), but I've also been watching for the new GLE hoping that it marries the best of all worlds. But a 2020 model will be a bit late for me, this time....ah, the choices! Of course I recognize that this is not a bad problem at all to have. I also like the additional space inside the GLE and I expect the new one to be even nicer. |
Originally Posted by rbrylaw
(Post 7462812)
it will not be a 2019 as the 2019 will be a short time gap until the new GLE is ready. He also said it will be sold as a 2020, not a 2019. He was told it will be as others have heard, available in the late 1st Q or early 2nd Q in 2019. .
The vehicle you are referring to that will be sold as a 2020, not a 2019 and that it will be available in the late 1Q/2Q is the W167 Chassis, am I correct? |
Originally Posted by phoenixone
(Post 7463756)
Wanted to verify.
The vehicle you are referring to that will be sold as a 2020, not a 2019 and that it will be available in the late 1Q/2Q is the W167 Chassis, am I correct? |
Originally Posted by phoenixone
(Post 7463756)
Wanted to verify.
The vehicle you are referring to that will be sold as a 2020, not a 2019 and that it will be available in the late 1Q/2Q is the W167 Chassis, am I correct? |
Originally Posted by E55 KEV
(Post 7462214)
I agree. IMO competition may have. An all new 2019 Porsche Cayenne will be in US dealerships in a few months plus surprisingly an all new 2019 BMW X5 before the end of the year. The current X5 chassis is only 5 years old so that's a very short run for a German platform. Mercedes, BMW, Audi etc. seldom release new platforms in the same model year.
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2020 W167 GLE
Here's a C&D blurb I hadn't seen from last month - they're still calling it a 2019 at that point, but some good artist's renderings: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...s-what-we-know
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...01a5cfea35.jpghttps://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...e84278a7fa.jpg |
Want more confusion? The April 2018 C&D article says:
"Mercedes-Benz will offer the new GLE-class with its new inline-six engine, which means that a GLE450 model should be the mainstream offering in the U.S., paralleling the inline-six–powered CLS450." However, recently MBUSA says the 2019 E450 will have an upgraded twin-turbo V6 and not the I6. Kinda odd that some 450 models will have different engines? https://www.media.mbusa.com/releases...shedDescending "The 2019 Mercedes-Benz E 450 and E 450 4MATIC models will be equipped with an upgraded 3.0-liter V6 biturbo engine that generates an additional 33 hp (now 362 hp vs. previous 329 hp) and 15 lb-ft of torque (now 369 lb-ft vs. previous 354 lb-ft) than its predecessor." |
2020 W167 GLE
Originally Posted by E55 KEV
(Post 7465861)
Want more confusion? The April 2018 C&D article says:
"Mercedes-Benz will offer the new GLE-class with its new inline-six engine, which means that a GLE450 model should be the mainstream offering in the U.S., paralleling the inline-six–powered CLS450." However, recently MBUSA says the 2019 E450 will have an upgraded twin-turbo V6 and not the I6. Kinda odd that some 450 models will have different engines? https://www.media.mbusa.com/releases...shedDescending "The 2019 Mercedes-Benz E 450 and E 450 4MATIC models will be equipped with an upgraded 3.0-liter V6 biturbo engine that generates an additional 33 hp (now 362 hp vs. previous 329 hp) and 15 lb-ft of torque (now 369 lb-ft vs. previous 354 lb-ft) than its predecessor." |
Carscoops posted an updated article about the next-gen GLE along with a render of what the AMG might look like:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...53beaa22c0.jpg https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/20...-tech-engines/ |
W167 GLE
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7466531)
Carscoops posted an updated article about the next-gen GLE along with a render of what the AMG might look like:
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/20...-tech-engines/ |
It's 2020 for ths US
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7466543)
If this was just published, why are they still calling it a 2019? We all have known for weeks that's not happening. Hardly a scoop.
There is no 2017 W213 E63 in the US. Germany sold the first W213 E63 as a 2017 model - the first US model which is the very same car is a 2018 model year. |
Europe vs. US availability
Originally Posted by E55 KEV
(Post 7466977)
Saying 2019 W167 is not a mistake. Europe and Germany will be able to purchase the W167 as 2019 models. Historically Germany gets cars prior to US.
There is no 2017 W213 E63 in the US. Germany sold the first W213 E63 as a 2017 model - the first US model which is the very same car is a 2018 model year. |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7466984)
Are you sure that is the case with the GLs, which are manufactured in the US? My recollection on previous iterations is they came out on both continents about the same time.
Curious what anyone's thoughts are on the reports today of Trumps condemnation of German cars being sold in America and his pledge to take them off the American highways. I'm sure the rhetoric is designed to appeal to his base, but honestly, does he not see how many jobs exist in the US because of Mercedes, BMW, Audi, VW and Porsche? Not to mention that Mercedes builds close to a million vehicles in the US. Audi and Porsche however, do not build cars in the US. |
W167 GLE
Originally Posted by rbrylaw
(Post 7467411)
For whatever reason though, I'm pretty sure the GLC is not made in America. The GLE and GLS are made in America. Since the GLC is likely a high production model, I wonder why it's not made here.
Curious what anyone's thoughts are on the reports today of Trumps condemnation of German cars being sold in America and his pledge to take them off the American highways. I'm sure the rhetoric is designed to appeal to his base, but honestly, does he not see how many jobs exist in the US because of Mercedes, BMW, Audi, VW and Porsche? Not to mention that Mercedes builds close to a million vehicles in the US. Audi and Porsche however, do not build cars in the US. |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7467428)
You are correct that the GLC is not made here, though the C-Class is. Europe has a higher demand for small vehicles than the US is all I can think. Trump says and does a lot of things that are not well thought through, IMHO. We are soon to be in trade wars with the World and many US businesses will be hurt. Isolationism does not work today, again IMO.
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