2020 V167 GLE
 

I thought I'd start a new thread as this gets closer. With prototypes testing on public roads since late last year, I would guess the new model should be on track for Summer '18 release with deliveries starting this Fall. The US Dealer Ordering Guide for the W166 was released on June 11, 2011. I'm hoping this one follows the same schedule as I'm dying to replace my '12, but there may be a possibility it's not out until early '19. I'm looking forward to the new turbo straight-six with mild hybrid and 48v electrical system, which will appear in the CLS first. And the -53 AMG series should be kickass!

This is posted in the X166 GLS forum but may apply to the new GLE as well: "The 2019 GLS will be on display at MB dealer meeting in Cabo...... DOG will is currently scheduled to be released end-Mar/mid-April..."

GLS vs. GLE release
 

I was interested to read over on the GLS forum that the X167 is to be released on roughly the same schedule as the W167. In models past it has lagged a year.

No one really knows what the truth is. There is conflicting information from multiple sources.

Oh how exciting! I can't wait to see it in the flesh. I would love to swap back into a GLE as my new GLS500 is way too big for my requirements, but I only bought it because I really wanted the non-AMG 4.7 litre V8 which was no longer available in the GLE (GLE500/550).

So, if anybody at Mercedes-Benz is listening .... please please bring back the GLE500/550 with the non-AMG V8, even if it's the newer 4.0 litre engine. I'm not a fan of diesel, and I don't want all that AMG madness of a GLE63s, it's just too noisy & aggressive for me, and even in comfort mode it's still a very loud and crazy machine! I just want a nice smooth and quiet V8 for towing and driving satisfaction that the non-AMG V8's seem to provide, and with the Off-Road Engineering Package that you also can't get in a GLE63s.

I know I sound like a broken record, as I've mentioned this numerous times in different threads/posts over the last couple of years. And, I know the days of V8's are dying quickly, but there's still so much demand for the AMG V8's obviously. Why can't they still produce the non-AMG ones? :confused:

Options to V8
 

The new -53AMG Series with turbo straight-six, 48-volt electric supercharger & "EQ Boost" mild hybrid unit at 429 hp + 21 hp electric could be a very nice package. It will undoubtedly come to the GLE. Here is info of it in the CLS & E: https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...s-photos-info/

Thanks GregW / Oregon, I bet it's an awesome engine too, but it's still not a V8. I have driven V8s for many years now, and nothing quite compares. It's not all about speed/power for me, just driving pleasure from the sound and being slightly heavier in the front end, plus it's nice having all that grunt ready for when you need or want it!

I can't wait to see the un-camouflaged photos of the new GLE. From what I've seen so far it looks really good!

Any speculation on the W167 reveal? Perhaps this months New York auto show? NY show is the last major show in the US until LA auto show in Dec 2018.

V8s
 

I hear you on the V8 thing. My '08 BMW M3 was a V8 and loved the sound instant response. Now, my '15 with twin-turbo straight six is a more powerful and a lot more torquey, but not quite the same. Still a helluva' lot of fun. At least the straight-six should be an improvement over the vee (still remember the balance shaft bearing issues on my '06). I don't agree on wanting more weight on the front, though - that is seldom a good thing for handling and steering feel.

W167 Reveal
 

All I've seen recently is that the production version of the new Maybach X167 GLS is to be unveiled at LA this Fall (MotorAuthority.com). Does that mean the regular GLS will be unveiled first? Will the GLE and GLS drop at the same time? Press days for NY start 3/28 with the show starting 3/31. The US Dealer Ordering Guide for the W166 came out 6/7/11, so a NY reveal would put it on the same sort of schedule.

W167 GLE debut
 

Edit: Not a GLE. Can delete this.

Mystery Instagram photo
 

What then? Looks about the right size? Grille does not match what we've seen on mules, though.

It was a GLC. I originally found it on Instagram tagged as a GLE and thought it was the new one, but then saw the headlights and rear.

From another thread - 2019 is still a W166 chassis.

2019 GLE
 

What thread? I think the one you are referring to was about the X166 GLS?

In this section - https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...re-s-info.html

2019 W167 GLE
 

Dang - didn't see that, just saw the GLS one. So, best case at this point is an early 2020 release (perhaps LA show reveal in November/December or Detroit in January). I just can't see them going another full model year with this old platform. I'm theorizing the switch to the straight six with 48V electrical and mild hybrid may be taking extra long to refine.

A little update on the GLE53.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...amouflage.html

Expect to also see the GLE43 getting replaced by a new GLE53 trim. That model will likely use an inline-six engine with a mild-hybrid setup, similar to what debuted on the new CLS53.

W167 GLE prototypes spotted by CarScoops:

2019 Mercedes GLE

W167 GLE
 

more pics and info - http://www.motortrend.com/news/spied...eals-new-look/

regular model with double bar grill and black wheel arches

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...79e61687d4.jpg

AMG styling with single bar grill and color matched wheel arches:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...64a43ec094.jpg

This is going to be the best looking vehicle they've ever produced for the ML/GLE line. It's already gorgeous.

M

I hope so. The details must be in the front and rear exterior visuals as the side looks exactly like what I have now LOL. Also, sure hope it has a flat load floor when the rear seats are folded down - that is a huge disappointment to me - I can't believe MBZ could not engineer a flat load floor.

What do you mean by the term "flat load floor"?

When seats are folded "flat" it is not flat like many other SUVs. Rear seats are raised a bit when folded.

Flat load floor
 

It's only the 5" thick folded seat bottoms, which nest against the back of the front seats, that protrude. The fuel tank is under the rear seats for safety, so I don't see how it would be done. Everything is a tradeoff. There are only a few times I've found the current arrangement a hindrance.

You are flipping the seat bottoms forward before letting the backs come down, right? Then the rear cargo floor is completely flat in both my GLE350/43 coupe..

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle LOL :D Bet you guys haven't heard that statement in a while.

I didn't know the seat bottoms go forward - just tried it and learned something - thanks nbukrey and fellow forum brothers. Don't know if rear seats folding is different in a GLE550e due to the huge trunk electric battery but I first purchased the PHEV and that's how the salesman demonstrated it and stated that was the as far as the seat backs went flat so I assumed all W166 were like that. I guess I love my W166 a little better now.

OT: Rear seat folding
 

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...eea2481534.jpg
Sales people deal with lots of models but that's no excuse for not knowing their products. The GLE owner's manual makes no mention of the 550e being any different in regards to seat folding, nor does the 550e Supplement Manual mention this. The hybrid battery system is under the rear load floor.

Thanks GregW

Anyone know when the first W167 will deliver?

I hope sooner than that! My dealer is saying world release in October with deliveries in the US in the December time frame. But as this thread has shown, information is scant and MBUSA is not exacting forthcoming about what they're working on. They want people to keep buying the current model as opposed to delaying a purchase for the new one, right?

This is confusing.
According to this thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...re-s-info.html
It states the 2019 W166 launch would be Summer 2018. Some of your are saying they will release the W167 in the fall 2018, some say spring 2019.
Would Mercedes (or any car manufacture) release an improved model only to release a newer improved model in such a short amount of time?
What's more of a head scratcher is why we haven't even seen a full reveal of the 2019 W166 model. Especially if it is supposed to be available
Summer 2018....which technically Summer starts in about a month!

There is no reveal of a 2019 W166 because there is nothing new to see - no real changes. The 2019 W166 ordering guide is posted here - https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...re-s-info.html

Hey KEV. Thanks for replying.

That's the same link that I posted with the same ordering guide for 2019 W166. It shows in the guide of a launch date of Summer 2018.
Even though there's no major changes to W166, supposedly it will have the new dash along with updated headlights and tail lights.
Also a few of our sales people also mentioned that 2019 W166 will be released in the summer but also mentioned it will be a short run model. :-)

Upcoming GLE model schedule
 

I don't always trust dealers, but the info I got from my longtime salesperson seems plausible:

- 2019 W166 models start production in August, probably released September 1.
- 2020 W167 models out Q2 2019

It just doesn't make much sense to have a 2019 with a limited run, but then who am I to question anything? I sure hope I don't have to wait till Q2 2019, but I'm not in a super hurry. I would place my order for the W167 tomorrow if I could. I think anyone who buys a 2019 and in just a few months sees a totally new, redesigned, inside and out GLE just a few months later will feel quite cheated and they'd have every right to feel that way. MB has had years now to get a new GLE ready for production. Both BMW and Audi will be releasing the new X5 and Q7 this fall. Mercedes will lose out as they are all new cars over the current models. Mercedes marches to their own beat anyway. The 2019 C class will finally have Car Play integration with Comand. The GLC for 2019 still won't. For the GLC it's still going to be one or the other, but not both. Seems unbelievable when you can buy a Honda for tens of thousands less that already offers that.

W167 release schedule
 

As far as the schedule goes, I'm sure M-B would have preferred a normal release date this year for the W167 (it's always been a 7-year model run); we may never know the reason it slipped but I think, as I've said before, the all new drivetrain with I-6, 48v electrical and mild hybrid function took longer to integrate than a normal update. Frankly, I bet half of Mercedes buyers have no clue about the model changeovers and just go to the showroom and buy what they like. It's still important even for those to have a 2019 with a few differences from the previous year. I just put in a W167 preorder with my salesperson.

How did you put in a pre-order? They don't seem to even know what the options are on the new GLE.

Thanks for bearing with me. I didn't fully read your post that had the very same link. I always tend to skim threads and post instead of read. Short attention span I guess LOL :D

I doubt there will be a new dash especially anything related to the E-Class dash and screens especially since the W167 with E-Class dash and screens is due in Q2 of 2019.

Thanks. I've never had to give a deposit to my dealer, but I suppose that comes with having purchased at least 15 MB cars with the same dealer since 1995. My dealer has already promised to let me be one of the first to place an order when ordering starts. I don't think they're going to start a pre-order list.

Why would anyone feel cheated in buying a 2019 GLE? Model years change and cars change every year for all brands, what is different about Mercedes?

M

The new I6 engines are already on the road in Europe and will be in the CLS this fall. I seriously doubt that the engines had anything to do with the extra model year on the GLE. The engines were done a while ago and are already in production.

M

If I purchased a 2019 at the beginning of the new model year and 3 or 4 months later, my new car was replaced with a newer model, I'd feel cheated. Mercedes is certainly hoping people don't do their due diligence and read about the upcoming future models. They don't want people [like us] holding off purchasing a car in anticipation of a completely redesigned model. As it is, your shiny new car is current for one model year. The next model year and your car is outdated. But if you bought a 2019 to find just a few short months later it was redesigned as an all new model, you didn't even get a full year of newness. Of course this is how I would feel and doesn't necessarily have to be how anyone else feels.

Cheated?
 

If having the latest is important to a person, and they are "in to" cars at all, they will likely know there is a new model coming and hold off buying if possible, or go with a competitor's new model. I think the average Mercedes buyer is less concerned with this, and will see and drive a few cars and get what they like. Then there are those that lease and are kind of locked into a schedule. It is incumbent on the buyer of this large a purchase to do their homework. If one were to feel cheated it's largely their own fault, IMO.

W167 schedule
 

I disagree, but we may never know. Designing a new SUV around a totally new powertrain is much different than just slapping basically the same old V6 and V8 in. And who knows where in the W167 development cycle the M256 came in. If the car had already been started around the V6 there certainly would be a time penalty. And accommodating the more robust battery & electrical systems, along with electrically powered AC and water pump is further adaptation. Something caused the schedule to slip at least half a year from the history of this model and in respect to the competitors' timetable (e.g. new X5). I doubt this was intentional.

No need to debate feeling cheated or not. I said it was how I would feel. Other's may feel completely different. They may care. They may not care at all.

I'm sorry man but I don't see it or get it. A model year and bodystyle change can happen anytime. There is no rule about this. Sales people may not want you to hold off but corporate really doesn't care once the new model is shown. Why would you care if you got a year or 6 months of newness on already 7-8 year old design? You'd have to know it's going to be replaced at any moment.

M

You do understand that the I6 you're talking about is already in production and running in the S-Class and CLS in Europe already? You're viewing is if the new GLE was designed already around the V6 when the I6 has been known about for years. The CLS is brand new also, no delay there. The S-Class is old and had to be adapted to fit the I6, no delay there. Euro S500 has the new I6. There is absolutely nothing to support that the I6 was the hold up with the new GLE. You're right it was something, but there is nothing that says its the engine, which is already in production. Mind you the CLS was being redesigned around the same time as the GLE and it has the new I6. The E-Class also get the I6 this fall in the E53 so why would older cars like the S and E be able to get the new engine with no problem, but the brand new GLE which surely started development after the I6, have a problem getting this engine? Doesn't make any sense. Mercedes stated a while back that every new Benz from the GLC onward was designed for the I6.

M

I agree. IMO competition may have. An all new 2019 Porsche Cayenne will be in US dealerships in a few months plus surprisingly an all new 2019 BMW X5 before the end of the year. The current X5 chassis is only 5 years old so that's a very short run for a German platform. Mercedes, BMW, Audi etc. seldom release new platforms in the same model year.

Reason for delay
 

I wan't debating feeling cheated, just about the new engines not having an impact.

Sorry Greg. I must have quoted the wrong person.

I was at my dealer this afternoon and spoke with the Sales Manager. He told me what others have been saying about when the new GLE will arrive in the US. He said it will not be a 2019 as the 2019 will be a short time gap until the new GLE is ready. He also said it will be sold as a 2020, not a 2019. He was told it will be as others have heard, available in the late 1st Q or early 2nd Q in 2019. What was interesting is he said his General Manager was in Atlanta a couple weeks ago at MBUSA headquarters and they not only had a 2020 GLE there, but he was able to drive it. He said it was simply amazing in every way. Since I had not ever driven a GLE, I test drove a 2018. We have a GLC300 but wanted to know how the GLE feels in comparison. It's unmistakable MB, but doesn't have the upscale modern feel we get with the interior of the GLC. I'm sure the 2020 GLE will correct that and then some.

I've gotten a current-model GLE as a loaner a couple of times when my GLC was in for service (scheduled or recall)...and I get that very same impression that it lacks a more modern feel, BUT I get impressed by the extra roominess and especially the turn radius! I was kind of spoiled in my 2010 then 2013 C300s that they can do tight turns at low speeds (u-turns on narrow roads---no problem!) and the GLC just isn't like that. So I was surprised that the currrent GLE can take turns like the smaller C Class.

My MY16 GLC is coming out of lease this December; I've been watching for when GLC gets its refresh (in which case I"d ignore the turn radius thing that bothers me a little), but I've also been watching for the new GLE hoping that it marries the best of all worlds. But a 2020 model will be a bit late for me, this time....ah, the choices! Of course I recognize that this is not a bad problem at all to have.

I too would just order a 2019 GLC this year as we really like the size of it. But sadly, the 2019 is not getting a refresh for MY 2019. The C class is getting a very nice refresh with the addition of an E Class like screen and CarPlay as standard as well as a bump in Horsepower to 255 and all new LED lights as standard.

I also like the additional space inside the GLE and I expect the new one to be even nicer.

Wanted to verify.
The vehicle you are referring to that will be sold as a 2020, not a 2019 and that it will be available in the late 1Q/2Q is the W167 Chassis, am I correct?

Yes, the W167

I don't think we will ever know. They should have had the new GLE on sale for the 2019 model year and the GLS for the 2020 model year, late fall for the GLE and early spring for the GLS. They're going to be playing catch up with BMW depending on when the X5 and X7 actually hit dealerships.

M

2020 W167 GLE
 

Here's a C&D blurb I hadn't seen from last month - they're still calling it a 2019 at that point, but some good artist's renderings: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...s-what-we-know

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...01a5cfea35.jpghttps://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...e84278a7fa.jpg

Want more confusion? The April 2018 C&D article says:

"Mercedes-Benz will offer the new GLE-class with its new inline-six engine, which means that a GLE450 model should be the mainstream offering in the U.S., paralleling the inline-six–powered CLS450."

However, recently MBUSA says the 2019 E450 will have an upgraded twin-turbo V6 and not the I6. Kinda odd that some 450 models will have different engines?

https://www.media.mbusa.com/releases...shedDescending

"The 2019 Mercedes-Benz E 450 and E 450 4MATIC models will be equipped with an upgraded 3.0-liter V6 biturbo engine that generates an additional 33 hp (now 362 hp vs. previous 329 hp) and 15 lb-ft of torque (now 369 lb-ft vs. previous 354 lb-ft) than its predecessor."

2020 W167 GLE
 

Carscoops posted an updated article about the next-gen GLE along with a render of what the AMG might look like:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...53beaa22c0.jpg

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/20...-tech-engines/

W167 GLE
 

If this was just published, why are they still calling it a 2019? We all have known for weeks that's not happening. Hardly a scoop.

It's 2020 for ths US
 

Saying 2019 W167 is not a mistake. Europe and Germany will be able to purchase the W167 as 2019 models. Historically Germany gets cars prior to US.

There is no 2017 W213 E63 in the US. Germany sold the first W213 E63 as a 2017 model - the first US model which is the very same car is a 2018 model year.

Europe vs. US availability
 

Are you sure that is the case with the GLs, which are manufactured in the US? My recollection on previous iterations is they came out on both continents about the same time.

For whatever reason though, I'm pretty sure the GLC is not made in America. The GLE and GLS are made in America. Since the GLC is likely a high production model, I wonder why it's not made here.

Curious what anyone's thoughts are on the reports today of Trumps condemnation of German cars being sold in America and his pledge to take them off the American highways. I'm sure the rhetoric is designed to appeal to his base, but honestly, does he not see how many jobs exist in the US because of Mercedes, BMW, Audi, VW and Porsche? Not to mention that Mercedes builds close to a million vehicles in the US. Audi and Porsche however, do not build cars in the US.

W167 GLE
 

You are correct that the GLC is not made here, though the C-Class is. Europe has a higher demand for small vehicles than the US is all I can think. Trump says and does a lot of things that are not well thought through, IMHO. We are soon to be in trade wars with the World and many US businesses will be hurt. Isolationism does not work today, again IMO.

No, isolationism is a recipe for financial disaster on world wide basis. And yes, he says whatever pops into his head, whether it makes sense or not. On the national news tonight, they interviewed a soy bean farmer in the Midwest. The trade war will have a dramatically negative impact on him. And still he supports the man he voted for. I don't understand supporting someone who can take your livelihood away from you.

Not sure about it but historically Germans get models before US and often model years are before US. Are the GLE's for the German/Euro market also made in US?

GLE manufacturing
 

I believe only for the US market, though the GLE coupe may be more widely distributed: https://mbusi.com/.

GLE production
 

"MBUSI exports more than $1 Billion in finished product. MBUSI in Tuscaloosa County, Alabama is the sole distribution site for the GLE-Class, GLS-Class vehicles, GLE Coupe and they are sold in 135 countries." https://mbusi.com

Interesting! US must make the right hand drive cars for countries like England and Australia also.

If you look at the new X5 and Q8, I think we all have our answer as to why the GLE was pushed back, if 8 years wasn't part of their original plan. Their exteriors are "nice", but their interiors are stunning, especially the Audi.

M

The interior is very nice on the Q8. But I just read this one comment about it that I couldn't resist posting:

"Marketing-bull**** aside, this thing is deeply, alarmingly ugly, at least in its face, which I think only a mother angler fish could love. The wide-spaced grille bars give the front end a crude, brutal look, and the large and quite obviously fake vents flanking the lower corners aren’t doing any favors, either. Plus, the driver-assist system’s radar unit and other sensor packages are jammed in that gaping grille in a pretty clumsy way, too. It’s a mess. The rest of the car is a bit better; I think the haunch-like rear quarter is actually quite nice, and the taillight treatment is strong. The rest of the car has Audi’s traditional crisp, handsome and somewhat restrained look, which generally works. Still, that face. I can’t get past that ugly mug. If this is to be the look of all of the new Audi Q series, I guess I’ll have to train myself out of doing a spit-take every time one shows up in the rear-view mirror."

Personally, I've never warmed up to Audi styling, but perhaps that's just me. The BMW to me, is a far better looking SUV. But I don't want either the BMW or Audi, so my hunger for any news or photos of the upcoming GLE is what I crave.

W167 GLE
 

The X5 was just officially launched yesterday with November availability. Improved over the old one but disappointing in that the size and weight has gone up and powertrains at launch are pretty much carryovers, but exterior does look better than the Audi. Also, I'm sure it still has runflats. Optional laser headlights are cool. I hope Mercedes doesn't keep me waiting too long or I might have to jump ship (would look good next to my M4)!
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...23131ceef6.jpg

The new X5 is much better looking to me than the Audi. Still, it's the GLE I'll be waiting for.

I was born without the patience gene. Every day, I scour the internet for any glints of news on the upcoming GLE, only to find virtually nothing of substance. I would think MB would want to build some hype about the new GLE, but I guess not. Harumph!

HARUMPH!!! HARUMPH!!! HARUMPH!!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!

I was told the Q8 is comparable to the X6.

The Paris Auto Show is October 4 - 11 this year. I hope that means we'll know more in July?

Glad you liked my Harump!

I don't get the coupe moniker myself. It's just an oddly shaped version of a 4 door SUV that both MB and BMW have dubbed a coupe. Makes no sense. No sense whatsoever.

GLE reveal
 

Which is exactly what MB should have been able to do with the GLE. Harumph again!

The rear of the upcoming GLE W167 spotted with most of the camouflage removed:

I have NEVER paid invoice on any MB car I've purchased, whether it was pre-ordered or not. I can't tell you what my dealer will give me, but it's more than 5% off MSRP. I've bought enough cars from them over the years, that I have earned a special discount.

W167 GLE antenna
 

Just noticed, no antenna fin visible - wonder if they have figured out a way to totally conceal the antenna array and get it to work better than it did on the W164.

There's no unsightly fin on the GLC. Here's a pic of one:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...06a7d790cf.jpg

Don't believe there is a Fin on the W213 E-Class either. Maybe the Antenna Fin is going to be a thing of the past.

Antennas
 

As I previously noted, the antennas on my '06 W164 were concealed, as well. That required a plastic panel above.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...ab88f1583e.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...07523b50c0.jpg

Motor1.com article
 

Interestingly, the Motor1.com article calls this a 2019. Is there a chance it is being released in Europe as a '19 and US as a '20? They also talk about the indentation in the C pillar like it's a new thing?

Yes. Thought we already covered that in May?

Article says Mercedes has not changed C-pillar:

"C-pillar, and here we can clearly see Mercedes hasn’t messed around with the recipe as the 2019 model will still have it"

Some previous speculations was that the W167 would have C-pillars like GLC and GLS.

Perhaps because the 2019 GLE is the very same car as the 2018 GLE. You can go to your MB dealer today and order a 2019 GLE and it will be a 2019. When the new GLE W167 is released (likely in the first or 2nd quarter of 2019), it will be released as the 2020 GLE.

Motor1.com article
 

I was referring to this part: "...we can clearly see Mercedes hasn’t messed around with the recipe as the 2019 model will still have it, but with a twist. Look closer and you’ll immediately notice an indentation in the pillar acting as an extension of the quarter glass’ outline. It goes up to meet the thick chrome framing of the rear doors and will make the next-gen model easily identifiable compared to its predecessor when looking at the side profile." It sounds to me like they are talking about the indented curving line, but this is something the W166 has as well, so that is not a differentiation between models.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d52473c8e2.jpg

Motor1.com article
 

The referenced article is about the W167, but it is called a 2019. https://www.motor1.com/news/244504/m...-minimal-camo/
Since this is a European source the resulting question is if Europe gets the new one as a '19.

It is all rather confusing for sure.

Got to have a little fun today. In addition to the W167 GLE, we'll also be getting a 2019 C300 Cabriolet. I have the preliminary build guide for the 2019 and for fun we put together a list of all the options we'd want on it and I sent it to my Salesguy to get a price. He called me at noon today to say it priced out at $64,970 (we put a lot of options on it) and oh, by the way, he took the liberty of ordering it. My dealer never asks for a deposit on a special order for us, so I'm sure when it comes in (he said in late August early September), I'm sure we'll take it.

Yeah, that's already there.

MBUSA 2019 models press release
 

The MBUSA press release distributed today goes through the model lineup in detail. This on the GLE, which we already knew, of course:

GLE & GLE Coupe
Highlights for 2019

• The GLE and GLE Coupe return for MY19 with no equipment changes.

https://media.mbusa.com/releases/201...pdates-changes

W167 GLE plug-in hybrid
 

Form the Motor1.com website today:

"Mercedes’ Tuscaloosa plant in Alabama is the place of birth of large SUVs such as the GLE, GLE Coupe, and the GLS where these are produced to cater the world market. The company is investing a total of $1 billion to expand its manufacturing footprint in that area and will hire more than 600 jobs to get ready for the EQ-badged SUVs.

Speaking of electrified high-riding models, Mercedes recently organized a meeting with suppliers in the United States to prepare for the next generation of U.S.-built SUVs and one of the new models coming will be a plug-in hybrid. Production of the model in question will kick off later this year and it won’t be the only partially electrified SUV.

While the identity of the model has not been disclosed, an educated guess would have to be the next-generation GLE taking into account prototypes have been spotted in the past few days with barely any camouflage. The plug-in hybrid derivative Mercedes is referring to is likely a successor for the outgoing GLE 550e 4Matic, but there’s actually going to be more than just one electrified flavor of what is being described as the “next generation SUV.”

Following the GLE’s expected introduction in the weeks or months to come, the bigger GLS is slated to arrive at some point in 2019 and we won’t be too surprised if it will spawn a plug-in hybrid model as well."

Thanks for the press release. Wonder why they call the 2019 G-Class a facelift? It's not a facelift when only the door handles come from the previous generation

"G 550 / AMG G 63 (facelift) Late 2018"

and

"G-Class

Facelifted for 2019"

G Class
 

Obviously an incorrect title when they go on to describe it.

Autobild.de 6/11 article
 

Google-translated:

"After Mercedes has closed the last gaps in the SUV program with GLC and GLE Coupé, the existing series are now being renovated. The start will be in 2018 with the new GLE. Fresh photos of the subtly disguised Erlkönig are reminiscent of the smaller GLC with its typical C-pillar. At the rear, the SUV even takes over some design elements of the new A-Class: The taillights and the distinctive indentation for the license plate are reminiscent of the Stuttgart compact class.

The outer dimensions remain almost unchanged, a longer wheelbase and the wider track create more space in the interior. Targeted lightweight construction reduces the weight by around 150 kilograms, and the suspension, which is sprung with air suspension, is designed to noticeably improve comfort. For this reason, Mercedes may also save four-wheel drive - so does BMW in the base model of its biggest rival, the X5, after all.

The range of comfort extras comes from the E-Class. The seats in row two can also be adjusted, ventilated, heated and equipped with a massage function. Mercedes wants to expand the electric range of the plug-in GLE from 50 to 100 kilometers. There will be a four-cylinder and a six-cylinder in conjunction with a 90 kW electric motor. A comeback celebrating the three-liter inline six-cylinder, which is to be offered as diesel with 272 and 340 hp and gasoline with 267 and 435 hp. The V8 is only available in the AMG variant with up to 640 hp. In the future, the AMG GLE 43 will no longer be a V6, but a straight-six. How To Cars expects an entry price of about 55,000 euros."

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/merce...-10704989.html

Auto Motor und Sport 6/11 article
 

Google-translated:

"Mercedes is currently testing the new generation of the GLE and we have already shot the SUV almost undisguised. A first look into the cockpit is already successful. Here all information and pictures of the W167.

"With the W167, the the SUV is built on the MRA platform of the current E-Class. This platform is again optimized for SUVs including the upcoming GLS. Thanks to the platform, the GLE is again relieved by a few kilos - it is assumed that the two-ton mark will be undercut, but only because the new Mercedes GLE is delivered in the basic version only with rear wheel drive. In terms of dimensions, the SUV grows only marginally at track width and wheelbase.

Otherwise, the new Mercedes GLE has more off-road qualities compared to its predecessor. In addition to more ground clearance and front and rear underrun protection, this also includes improved axle articulation, air suspension, limited slip differentials and transmissions with reduction options.

Two AMG versions of the Mercedes GLE
As top versions, Mercedes is the GLE AMG63 and launch AMG63 S. Instead of the elderly 5.5-liter V8 comes the corporate all-purpose weapon, the four-liter V8 Biturbo used. In the AMG E-Class makes this unit 571 and 612 hp. For the more civil propulsion three-liter six-cylinder with 367 hp or as GLE 53 with hybrid drive and 435 hp + 22 E-PS at the start. On the diesel side, there are the inline six-cylinder with 286 to 340 hp. The engines are said to be 20 percent more economical, not least thanks to the partially introduced 48-volt electrical system with 15-kW starter generator. Even a hybrid powertrain will be modifying entry into the new Mercedes GLE hold. Here, the Stuttgart combine for the plug-in hybrid, a two-liter four-cylinder petrol engine with a 90 kW electric motor. The system performance should be 279 hp. Later, a diesel hybrid is added. On the transmission side, an automatic access system can be combined with all drives.

Visually, the new generation of the Mercedes turns out a favorable GLE not as a revolution, but as evolution. Aprons and sills are redesigned, the grill modified. The distinctive beads on the side should also be revised, but the profile line is now above the door handles. And the characteristic C-pillar should continue to strive against the direction of travel - but here it gets a new impetus. As with the current series, the Mercedes GLE as GLE Coupé (C292) should come later on the market.

Gigantic display landscape in the cockpit
The view into the cockpit of the new GLE reveals an oversized display that reaches far beyond the center of the dashboard. As in the S-Class the left half serves to display all relevant driving information, the right part uses the infotainment and navigation system. Under the display they make four new rectangular air vents wide. The driver reaches into a newly designed steering wheel including touchpad. For the rear passengers in the GLE, there should be more space."

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...bilder-preise/

W167 GLE debut in Los Angeles?
 

According to AutoExpress, the new model is most likely to be revealed at the LA Auto Show, which starts November 30 this year.

Boo....I was hoping for the Paris Auto Show, which is October 4 - 11.

Sadly nothing will be revealed at the Jan 2019 Detroit NAIAS because MBZ has dropped out along with BMW, Audi, Porsche, Land Rover, Jaguar etc.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...roit-auto-show

Fortunately, one would surmise this decision has nothing to do with time tables to announce the new GLE. I used to look forward to attending our local auto show. Now I just do what most people do and that is compare everything of interest via their web browser. And then go drive what seems of interest.

Wacky year for us GLE owners. Never been so in the dark so late in the year.

Not just you GLE owners. Us wannabe GLE owners feel the darkness too! LOL

Many cities have local auto shows but there are only 4 auto shows in the US where cars are revealed or debuted. Detroit, New York, Chicago and LA.

The 2018 Detroit show was important enough to reveal the G-Class. If the W167 is not shown for the first time (not debuted) in the US at the December 2018 LA Auto Show then when? Chicago show in Feb 2019 or New York show in April 2019?

It's all conjecture and anyone's guess at this point. MB doesn't seem to be particularly concerned with matching BMW or Audi who both will have their respective GLE beater out as 2019 stock. One of the rumors I read, can't remember where, was MB may reveal the new GLE at the Paris Auto Show, which is scheduled for October 4 - 11. MB doesn't have to release the car in the US as this will be a global release, with all GLE's being built in Alabama for all markets.

W167 GLE debut date
 

I reported Paris back on 5/10 - don't remember which source I read that in. Whether the AutoExpress recent 6/11 prediction ("The BMW X5 rival is expected to make its debut before the end of the year, most likely at the LA Motor Show.") is based on more current information is unknown.

Thanks for reminding me you were the source of that little tidbit! Supposedly, my local dealership is in training today on the upcoming cars for 2019. My sales guy promised he'd try to get some info on the GLE. If I learn anything, I'll let you'z guy'z know.

So, I just got to speak with the MB trainer who came into the dealership and she called me, which was really nice of her to do. It was a great conversation. Here's what I learned about the new GLE.

1. They're building about 7 of them a day currently in Tuscaloosa, to torture test them and ensure there are no issues or weaknesses requiring modification.
2. In about 2 months they will put them in production (still not officially released) for deliveries to start around the beginning of the new year.
3. The new dash, she said is simply awesome and she did confirm the GLE is coming with MBUX the new touch screen infotainment system and she said it simply rocks!
4. Since they will go into actual production in the Aug/Sept time frame, dealers will be have the ability to place orders at that time.
5. For anyone wanting a 3rd row, that will be an option in the GLE (I don't know if that's a current option or not?).

At least it's something, right? :-)

Thanks so much for sharing your info rbrylaw. Any info on the 2019 W166?

Anything on engines? I ask because Mercedes now has a 300hp 4-cylinder and there is talk on the Euro sites about a GLE 300.

M

I asked and she couldn't comment. I said the rumor is an inline 6 in the greater than 350 hp range and she said I may not be wrong. It was clear she didn't really want to answer the question. The reality is they could likely slap the current 350 V-6 in the GLE and get them to market faster. So maybe the new engine is slowing these puppies down. I don't want to read much into her not wanting to comment. I'm sure they're told that giving too much to a customer when they haven't publicly confirmed anything is something one can be fired for.

Any info on the 2019 W166?
Thanks,

The 2019 W166 is identical to the 2018 W166. There are no changes whatsoever. It's only going to be in production a short time until the W167 is released. I do have the W166 Dealer order guide, but honestly, it's the very same car as the 2018. I tried to attach it, but the file is too large.

I seriously doubt that there will be a V6 in this car since the I6 has been out for a while now. You can pretty much bet the GLE450 will be the first model out the gate with 362hp and a GLE53 with 429hp. I don't know why you keep saying the new I6 is slowing them down when the engine is already in production a several cars already, there is really no evidence of that.

M

I wasn't aware the I6 was already out and in production. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I hope you are right that it will be a GLE 450 with that much HP. But you are guessing as well. Are there cars with that engine currently sold in the US today? My first ever MB car was a 1995 E320 with an inline 6. To this day, it remains my favorite of all the engines I've had from Mercedes.

The I6 is coming this fall with the E53 line of cars and the CLS53 and CLS450. It has been out in Europe for a while now in the the CLS, E and S in various gasoline and diesel models.

M

I'm glad to see it's already out in Europe. Yet, it's still new for the US from what I can gather? I'd rather have an engine that has been tried in the wild before plunking down over $60K for a new GLE. I do hope you're right about this being the entry level power plant in the GLE.

2019 GLE
 

Guide is here (posted by fabbrisd1 on 4/2/18): MBUSA 2019 GLE Guide

Thanks Greg

M256 inline six
 

The AMG CLS 53 & E53 have just gone online for ordering (at least in Europe) with first deliveries in August. http://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSi...l?oid=40442170

W167 GLE powertrain
 

The GLE is absolutely getting the new engines according to all sources (and logic), but not yet officially confirmed by M-B. Also, there is an additional 21 short-term "boost" horsepower from the electric motor between the engine and tranny on top of those figures. Here's a recent article that goes into the engines: New Mercedes inline six

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...b335b3b5be.jpg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...2f2ab5e1e9.jpg

Thanks and so WAY COOL! They show a supercharger. How does that differ, if it does, from a turbo?

I'm a geek, I must admit. One of the things I'm truly excited about is having this feature in my car. The new MBUX system and every article I've read about it says its truly remarkable. No more map updates on this puppy. No sir. It will get updates over the air.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...3913b5f678.jpg

Thanks Ron. Sounds like a cool solution and I'm sure it will be a great engine from Mercedes. The current GLE 350 engine, from my test drive, was not exactly overwhelming. It was unmistakably Mercedes, but didn't inspire from an acceleration experience. It is one of the things in comparison tests, with say, the BMW X5 and even Lexus RX350, the GLE would come in last place for acceleration.

I agree for you, the MBUX looks promising. I'll withhold judgement on the rumored square air vents. I really like the round air vent in the new A Class. I also wonder if the GLE and GLS will get 12.3" screens. I've read they're 10" screens in the new A Class. Regardless, this will be a huge improvement for tech happy geeks like you and me. I'm currently in a MY17 GLS550 (our 3rd GL/GLS) but I may downsize to a GLE. I'll wait to see both before I decide.

I would not expect the A class at half the price to have the same size screen as the CLS or GLE. From MBUSA, this is said about the A Class Screen Options: "The infotainment display consists of a pair of screens. Buyers can mix and match a combination of 7-inch screens and 10.25-inch screens to get two of a kind or one of each. The infotainment system is controlled via touchpad, which will be rolled out across the brand’s entire lineup." And Mercedes says the CLS will get the 12.3" Infotainment screen. So I would expect the GLE to get the same screen.

Well Germans embrace new tech all the time, that is their thing. A new engine has to be broken in at some point. They can't stay with that 3.5L n/a V6 with everyone else using turbo V and I 6's. The current GLE350 V6 is simply outdated. Yes the engine will be new for the U.S., but again it's on the road now in Europe. Any early bugs will likely be caught there, well some of them.

M

It is hard to conclude if MB will put the old v6 into the gle. It happened for the s class but not for the cls. I m just hoping that they completely phase old the old v6

Having a lot of time to do research and read about other cars can be a dangerous thing. I've been reading about the Alfa Romero Stelvio Sport TI? The articles and test videos I've read and watched so far, have me quite intrigued. With the weight of the car and twin turbo all Italian engine, it goes zero to 60 in 5.4 seconds. I think it's quite sexy looking. Has an unmistakable Alfa Romeo engine sound too. It doesn't have all the tech a MB has, but nicely optioned, you get a lot of safety systems and the interior is pretty cool looking. If you option it out to the max, it comes in the low $50,000's. I may just have to test drive one. Have any of you looked at the Alfa and if you have, what did you think?

You have to admit, this is pretty sexy looking:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...2a5ccb7177.jpg

Alfa SUV
 

The Stelvio has been out a year now and I haven't been able to find anything saying reliability is an issue, but this is the first year on American roads. I do worry about whether Alfa will make it in the US this time around. I know a guy who has the sedan. He bought it immediately after it came out and actually traded his Benz for it. It now has 15,000 miles on it and he said it's been incredibly reliable and has required nothing other than the first service. I'm going to test drive one, just to see, but it will likely still be the GLE in my future. I'm having a difficult time with the waiting and lack of real information.

Actually, cargo space is not important. My primary reason for going with the GLE over the GLC is on the GLC you can have Comand OR Apple Play, but you cannot have both. I would likely have already placed an order for the GLC if I could have both options. The C class for 2019 now includes Apple Car Play /Android Car Play as standard, and you still add Comand if you want it. The C300 Cabriolet that we ordered is now locked in the build system and we should see it in August and it will have Comand and Apple Car Play.

Consumer Reports rarely sways me, but I do have to consider the reliability of Alfa. Still, there's something about this thing that calls to me enough to at least make me want to test drive one. Fully loaded, it will come in significantly less than a GLE optioned as I'd want. But it also doesn't seem to offer some options that I find important, like ventilated seats. Hello. I live in Florida. Ventilated seats are just about mandatory. TBT, I was born without the patience gene. If I could just get some concrete information on the GLE, like options, WHEN we might start seeing them etc., I might be able to simmer down. At any rate, if I test drive a Stelvio, I'll let you guys know my impressions.

The new Alfa's are intriguing IMO but the Stelvio competes directly with the GLC rather than the GLE so the price is gonna be significantly less than a GLE.

Yes it does compete with GLC. And as I've mentioned, I'd have already ordered a 2019 GLC IF I could have Comand and Apple Play, but sadly, even if you pay over $60,000 for a nicely optioned GLC, you can have one or the other, but not both.

Dash of the W167: https://motor1.com/news/250220/merce...or-spy-photos/

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c865c3d31e.jpg

Same pic flipped horizontally:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6dbd77b32c.jpg

Probably little chance I'll risk buying an Alfa. I still think I'll drive one for the fun of it. But Mercedes treats me so well and my cars have been so reliable, it's not likely I'll stray. I'm just becoming increasingly anxious for news. If I could place my order now, I would do so and not look back.

Thanks for the pics. Kind of odd looking in a way. It looks kind of like Mercedes glued a landscape iPad on the dash, but I know the MBUX system will be pretty darn tootin' cool!

After suffering through the first model year (2016) of the GLC, I'd say wait a year or two before getting the new GLE.

We have a 2016 GLC and it's been nothing short of stunning in every way. We've had not a single service issue. I'm guessing you've had issues with yours? The GLC is the trade for the 2019 C300 Cabriolet coming in just a few weeks now. We need a SUV, which is partly why I'm so anxious about the GLE.

Brake squeal. Took 2 tries. Don't know if it's fixed now (after 1st fix, took a few weeks to come back, and squeals mostly in cold weather). One parking light coming on randomly when parked at night. Satellite radio wouldn't work sometime (shutting engine off, walking far enough away so car and fob didn't communicate, then starting again seemed to fix), eco start/stop stopped working, Clattering behind left air vent for first 20 sec or so when started cold.

Most of them seem fixed. Will have to wait and see if brake squeal and clattering noise return when it gets cold.

My plan is to get a GLC43 when my lease is up in Jan (unless tariff has been put on imported cars); I'm hoping all the bugs will have been worked out after 3 model years.

Sorry you've had issues. Our GLC300 has been incredible, without any issues whatsoever.

Not in love with them. I can see hitting the drivers handle every time I want to adjust something via the controller. And no, if they are there, they won't stop me from buying the car.

They could be useful for the front passenger, though, to grab during an unexpected maneuver by the driver.

Kind of like the previous gen ML, but with a kink in them:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d05ff86dd.jpeg

In that application the grab handles wouldn't interfere with the operation of systems. In the GLE, it certainly could be an issue.

So I test drove one today. My impressions are mostly positive, at least for the money. It is sexy outside for sure. Inside is a pleasant place to hang out but can't match a Mercedes interior. The controls are upscale plastic made to look like metal. But they aren't. The nav and backup screen are tiny in comparison to our cars. In terms of controls, one wouldn't really need to spend much time with the owners manual. The systems are pretty simple and easy to navigate. The A/C was a disappointment. It just didn't seem to cool the car adequately - a definite issue since we live in Florida. Seats are comfortable and the Italian leather has a decidedly upscale feel and look. But they only adjust up and down as you can't adjust the angle of the seat, even if you get the Sport seats. And while you can get heated seats, you cannot get ventilated seats, which again living in Florida is a no for me. Visibility out of the rear with the heavily raked back window is rather limited. Now the reason to buy this car is that engine. This thing has amazing get up and go. It has a nice throaty sound and if you mash the pedal you're up to 60 really fast. I had read the breaks were mushy, but I found them to be just fine. Even on broken pavement, the car was nicely controlled and there wasn't even a hint of a rattle. One other thing. Those paddle shifters. They're H U G E. Outrageously huge. What were they thinking huge. And you have to reach behind the left shifter to use the turn signals. One can imagine getting used to them, but why even have to train yourself to avoid taping one or the other?

They so tried to get me to buy one, which I told them from the get go wasn't happening today. I know I could have likely gotten one with every single available option for close to $40K, making this thing a great value. But it's not a Mercedes and I'll be waiting just as anxiously as I have been for news about the new GLE.

I found this today. It's not much but there are a few interesting comments, like this statement: Mercedes says the GLE’s cabin is going to feature “ambient lighting like never before.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/2019-merc...103933582.html

My MB Salesguy was hoping he sent me the new build guide for the new GLE. All it is is an updated 2019 GLE guide (updated June 25th) and now they've updated the engine to be the 400 as opposed to the 350 and the base price of the GLE400 is $55,000. I hope this isn't a hint of the base for the W167 as once you start adding options, it's going to get real pricey. The file is too large for me to upload here. Does anyone have a way for me to shrink the size to something I can upload here?

I saved it as a Zip File and it is now included

2019 GLE Ordering Guide
 

Thanks - a link to this was posted in #19 on 4/3.

No Greg. The link I posted is an updated build guide published on 6/25/18. The one posted on 4/3 still shows the GLE 350. For MY 2019, the GLE 350 no longer exists and has been replaced by the GLE 400, which the link I posted shows.

About $3,000 and some more ponies! :D

2019 W166 GLE
 

The fact that it went from 3.5L NA to 3.0L turbo is a fairly significant - had not picked up on that before. A 1-year combo. The torque bump is especially nice. Not enough to make me not want to wait for the 167.

It is a fairly significant upgrade. I'm just so totally confused at the moment and don't know what I want to do.

Whoa! the GLE a better value than the X5! For the all new 2019 X5:

"Prices have also increased, with the xDrive40i model starting at $61,695."

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2019...-starts-61695/

GLE pricing
 

The ML/GLE price increases over the years have been moderate. My 2012 had a base of $48,990 6 years ago; the 2018 is $54,700 (4MATIC).

9 Speed Auto also new for 2019 W166. Didn't expect to see that.

Even if the 2019 is going to be short lived, it will be a nice upgrade over the 2018 and should be a fun to drive SUV.

2019 GLE powertrain
 

This engine/tranny was lifted right out of the E400, which makes it fairly easy.

Just got the word from my sales rep -- the 2019 GLE350 is being replaced by the GLE400, with the 329-hp turbo 3.0 L V6 and 9-speed automatic. I had decided to get a GLE350 this fall, as my current least ends in Jan, but this is exciting news -- the turbo V6 and 9-speed for just $1000 more than the 2018 GLE350.

If you look above a few posts, I posted the 2019 GLE Dealer Build Guide (updated on 6/25/18) showing the GLE 400. Remember this will be a short lived model as the new GLE will be announced in the next few months and will replace the current GLE around the first of the year.

Sorry, I missed that. I had a DOG for the 2019 that came out earlier, and it still listed the GLE350.

They typically won't update the online order system until like September.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...3787931c7a.jpg
So today's adventure was to drive this: Jaguar F Pace 30T

All I can say is, it's simply fantastic. It's beautiful inside and out and that 3 Liter Turbo with about 300 Horses pushes that thing like crazy. Inside, you're enveloped in a very luxurious cabin. The seats are sublimely comfortable and the electronic dash, and infotainment screen quite nice. The only thing the Jaguar is oddly missing is Apple Car Play/Android Auto, which is high on my list of priorities. But this thing really nicely optioned, comes in at about $65,000 and I think it's a bargain. Jaguar's come with 5 Year 60,000 Mile Warranty standard. And.........NO RUN FLATS! Oh I forgot to mention all scheduled service is included for 5 years 60,000 miles too.

It's going to stay on the list of contenders till I can learn about the new GLE options and pricing.

GLE Dashboard Partially Revealed In Spy Video: https://motor1.com/news/251551/2019-...dashboard-spy/

I would not expect the coupe to arrive at the same time.

So now I'm SO confused. I spoke with the sales manager at my MB Dealer this morning. He's saying he honestly doesn't expect to see the new GLE until late in 2019 at this point. He says the GLS is going to appear before the GLE and the GLS will be out in 2nd or 3rd quarter 2019. I don't feel like waiting until late 2019. So, I'm just completely confused as to what to do........:nix::confused:

He also said MB has 2019's sitting at the port waiting to be released and won't be released until it's determined how the Trump Tariff's will affect pricing. Even though the cars are made in America, he says they'll still be subject to the Tariffs. Harumph to the max.

167 GLE & GLS
 

What I've found over many years of following model introductions is that I usually have better advance info than dealer sales people by being able to focus on one model and continuously scour the internet sources. I have preordered my W163, W164 & W166s by a year or more, as well as my E46, E92 & F82 BMWs. Manufacturers are invested in getting dealers to sell what is available now rather than looking to the future and usually hold advance info back until close to model release.

Only Daimler knows for sure, but most credible sources have the W167 GLE out mid-model year around late Q1/early Q2 2019. The fact that the 2019 W166 GLE gets a new powertrain does muddy the waters somewhat. As for the X167 GLS, given the comparative lack of spy info out on it, and the fact that it's a year older than the W166, I don't see how it would be out first.

I believe you Greg. You've always been a reliable source. I'm just not sure what I want to do at this moment. The Jaguar F Pace Sport with the 380 hp super charged V6 is a compelling option at the moment. It's a very fresh design, felt more luxurious than I expected (perhaps because I test drove a higher level S model) and while I haven't driven the 380 HP, one can only surmise that it would be a great option as the 30T I did test drive was pretty darn powerful at 300 HP and that's a 4 turbo. Jag hasn't implemented Apple Car Play. Instead they have what they call InControlApp, which when you connect say your iPhone via USB, mirrors many of the apps from your phone.

I am adding the Audi to my list of possibles. About the infotainment system in the Jag. Yes, it was pretty abysmal when introduced, but after more than a year of updates, they seem to have worked the bugs out. I tried pretty hard to get it to mess up and it worked well. I have a buddy who got a 2017 and the system was recalled shortly after. Since they did whatever they did in the recall, he's says the system has worked really for him. There's just something about the feeling the F Pace provides that excites me. Doesn't mean it's what I'll end up with. But it made quite an impression on me. Oh and if you look at the specs for the F Pace Sport with the 380 HP V6 it goes zero to sixty in 5.1 seconds too.

2019 W166 GLE
 

After telling you be skeptical of your salesperson's info, I checked with mine and he says the 2019 should be released mid to late-September. Given that, I'm guessing Q1 2019 release for the W167 is not going to happen; likely late Q2 at earliest, if not, as I hate to think, Q3. To have a 6 month duration for a model would be highly unusual.

I do trust the sales manager at my dealership and he wouldn't have a reason to burst my bubble. He was pretty emphatic that the new GLE won't roll on US streets until later in 2019. That most likely will take the new GLE out of play for me. So, I could buy a year off lease 2018 GLE, but I don't really like buying used cars. I could buy the 2019 GLE, but I have an issue with spending that much on yesterday's tech. Or I can seriously consider a 2019 Jag F Pace Sport. The manager of the Jag dealer just called me and is trying very hard to win my business. He said he'd give me a really good discount on the S, which most dealers won't do and he'd order exactly what I want for a 2019 with no down payment required to order. He said Apple Car Play is actually coming to the Jag in 2019 and he said unlike MB, they will offer a retrofit to all who have the system required for it, which I will have. The Jag will cost less than a 2019 G:E, have the 380 hp zero to sixty in 5.1 seconds engine and all the safety and luxury I could ask for. At the moment, the Jag is sounding pretty good for what I want.

Sorry if this is a duplicate -- I thought I had posted it, but can't see it now:

I wanted to order a 2019 GLE400. My sales rep says orders are locked in through Oct (which was far as she could see). She also said " we currently have less than a 30 day supply of GLEs so they are going to have to build us some to get through to next summer!"
That leads me to believe the 2020 will be coming next summer.

Which for me, means the 2020 GLE is no longer an option.

My impression is the F-Pace is more GLC size than GLE? That would be too small for my wife's needs - she's a commercial furniture rep and needs to haul samples occasionally.

It's not going to be a 2019 model. The 2019 model order guide is already out, it's the same as 2018. This is going to be a 2020 model on sale early in 2019.


M

2020 W167 GLE
 

Mercedes just went to the no small trouble of installing a new (for GLE) powertrain into the 2019 W166. I was trying to believe the reports as well, but given the 2019 W166 won't start deliveries until September, according to my dealer, I cannot fathom the new one would start deliveries in less than 9 months after that. Perhaps the debut happens late this year and ordering opens up Q2 2019, best case I can see at this point. I would love to be wrong on that! I don't think the car websites and mags have an inside line; often they are making guesses based on the same information we get and based on past history. The W167 is going to be an anomaly in the history of the ML/GLE schedule wise.

Advance information
 

You are certainly correct about inside relationships perhaps leading to advance information slipping out sometimes. It's hard to know when something is printed whether it's conjecture or based on some kernel of fact in many cases. As far as a short build goes, I would hope for a short 2019 run but the amount of effort that went into swapping in the 2018 E400 engine and transmission is significant and leads me to think it will be around at least most of a full model year.

What new powertrain are you talking about for the current GLE?

M

Upgraded 2019 W166 GLE400 powertrain
 

As noted in previous threads, it is the same engine transmission that is in the 2018 E400, a 3.0L biturbo V-6 with 329hp & 354 lb-ft and 9G-TRONIC transmission. Interestingly, in the 2019 E450 the engine gets upgraded to 362 hp & 369 lb-ft. I assume Mercedes didn't use this engine so as to offer a boost when the W167 comes out with the I-6.

There is no new powertrain in the 2019 GLE. They're already using this engine in the current GLE43 models. It's all the same engine just in different states of tune. Different software for the different hp levels. The 3L turbo V6 started out with the ML400 before the facelift/name change to GLE and then again with the GLE 400 then GLE43. There is nothing new about this engine in the GLE/ML.

M

This German site has a video of the W167 with no camo:

http://autobild.de/videos/video-merc...-13752837.html

I test drove one last night with the 380hp 5.1 to 60 mph engine. It's not fantasy. It exists and is really really good. Just go out to Jaguarusa.com and pull up the F Pace Sport "S" as that's the one with the 380hp engine. Our dealer mostly has the higher more luxury models on their lot. But it doesn't make a difference as I wouldn't take one off the lot. If I go with the F Pace, I'll order exactly what I want. As to the last bullet saying poor predicted reliability, that is of course a concern. BUT.......I have a buddy who bought a 2017 F Pace and now has over 15K miles on it and it has been absolutely trouble free. They did have an infotainment issue when the car came out, but a recall fixed it. And the car comes standard with a 5 year 60,000 warranty and all scheduled maintenance included at no charge for the full warranty period.

You're right. The size is more GLC in size and that's really good for me as I never really needed the size the GLE will be to begin with.

What is new is the 9-speed auto. That wasn't offered in the GLE400 when it was around, and has been GLE43 only.

If you look at Car & Driver, they ranked the Porsche Macan over the F-Pace, and in a later test, the GLC43 over the Macan.

2019 W166 GLE
 

You are correct on that one. The version to be used in the GLE is the exact same tune as in the 2018 E400, however. The 2018 GLE engine is rated at 385 hp & 384 lb-ft. vs. 329/354, so a significant detune with I expect different turbos.

No it's the same engine and none of this has anything to do with anything concerning the next GLE. It's all the same engine man. A detune wouldn't require different turbos. That's backwards. This is a higher state of tune. HP numbers are usually software changes in a turbo engine like this. It not a new anything. The only version of this engine that got a real work over was in the outgoing E43 Sedan, 396hp. E53 is replacing that with the I6 this fall.

M

I don't get the point of the question. There is nothing new here. It's the same transmission that is in every other Benz.

M

Tranny upgrade
 

The 2018 GLE 350 has the 7G-TRONIC transmission; only the turbo models have the 9-speed.

Yes I know, that really doesn't have anything to do with anything here. The 9 speed is used all over the Benz lineup, it's an off the shelf transmission is the point. The GLE350 is the outlier at this point. Heck it is still using a completely dated naturally aspirated V6.


M

The point is, which could have been better stated, that the turbo-V6 and 9-speed are new for the BASE GLE in 2019. That's all.

Whew, now that we have that settled on to the W167. I'll bet there are some in Vance & Stuttgart reading this forum chuckling about our musings.

It is a transmission that was not used on the earlier ML400 and GLE400, hence the powertrain is new.

Also, the 9-speed is not used on any of the hybrids or the V12s. 2018 was the first year in the E63. Yes, it's becoming used all over, but not one fell swoop.

What does that any of that matter when the same engine is already in use in the GLE line to begin with? Do you just not understand that the same V6 and transmission has already been in use in the GLE43 models already? You keep saying it's new, it isn't new to the GLE.

M

Read my lips, "... the turbo-V6 and 9-speed are new for the BASE GLE in 2019."

What difference does that make when it is already being used in the GLE period? Look, your original point was to imply that Mercedes went through some effort to make this change, to say that the current GLE must be sticking around for a while. That's just irrelevant. There was no great effort when the same engine and transmission is being already in the same vehicle. It doesn't matter if it is the base engine/trans or not. It's already in the GLE. I don't understand what you aren't getting.

M

It's already in the 2018 GLE43 models. What is the point? I didn't say that it was used in EVERY Mercedes I said they use it all over the lineup which they do. The ones you listed are outliers, not the norm.

M

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a4582c3085.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...5f36c64e82.jpg

The new one is going to be a looker that is for sure.

M

Perhaps it's just me, but it looks sort of like an updated GLC and while we like our GLC we've never felt the GLC is exactly a pretty SUV. I would have preferred a more cutting edge look. Other than the headlights, it's not a stunner to my eyes.

2020 W167 GLE
 

No, not stunning, just modestly updated. I don't think you can expect Mercedes to go too far out for a bread-and-butter model. On the flip side that means the design doesn't get dated as quickly. This appears to be the GLE 450, in probably not the best color for it.

Anybody else caught it? That nose and rear is CGI rendering. Look at the paint.

Yep, clearly It's not an official pic.

M

Spy pics
 

Viewing on my 28" monitor, I'm not sure I'm seeing what your're seeing. The reflections on the front and rear which were previously camoed seem right and the plate looks authentic and doesn't match the previous ones seen. If there are some running totally exposed that's a good sign!

The top of the dash, visible through the windshield, suggests the rectangular MBUX display seen in interior spy shots.

MBUX
 

This was previously confirmed - see posts #163 & 177 this thread.

You are wise to hold off because of this. My biggest disappointment with my GLC43 and am just baffled why MB doesn't have COMAND and ACP/AA together in the GLC even for the upcoming 2019 model. The GLA45 has had it for a couple years now and the C class will have the option for getting both in 2019 model year. Apparently, the NTG5.5 system can handle both, so not sure why MB is leaving it out of a model that is in probably the hottest segment right now. I'd gladly pay MB for a retro if they offered it. I didn't want something as big as a GLE, but certainly a great vehicle.

I posted these pics but I'm in the camp that both are well crafted Photoshop pics. It's doubtful MB would allow a yet to be released model to be driven in plain view. That said, these photos are likely very close to how the finished GLE may appear. Looks promising.

I may be more than holding off. This weekend, I may be placing an order for a Jaguar F Pace "S."

Real of PShopped?
 

Tough call. I looked at these enlarged and while some areas look like they've been digitally altered (note lights and emblems) it's hard to tell because of the low resolution (only 1,300 pixels wide). If Photoshopped they're a darn good job.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...950beb3e88.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...58eaba541a.jpg

Porsche Cayenne Coupe anyone?

https://www.motortrend.com/news/spie...leek-roofline/

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...f19323a115.jpg

Cayenne Coupe
 

The SUV Coupe (misnomer) is not for me. Don't want to give up utility for style. If I want "sportiness" that's what my M4 is for.

GLE Coupe pics
 

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Thanks for finding these! So we're getting good coupe shots first - that's odd! Also odd it has the same plate as the other regular GLE in the AutoBild photos. And why is this labeled GLE 450 with unpainted wheel arches and single bar grille when the earlier CarScoops shots showed the unpainted arches with a 2 bar grille (probably all coupes get the "upscale" grille)? They're dinkin' with us! I also note there is real metal for the "skid plates" whereas the AutoBild ones with painted plastic were not appealing at all - of course this is the upscale model. Hidden backjp camera is cool. These are obviously not PSed and although smallm very crisp images. Veja.com is a Basilian website.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...4a15475ef.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...75e261509.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7f9882925.jpeg

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W167 GLE Coupe pics
 

I'm a photographer and these look too good to be PSs. The reflections clearly are of the building behind. However it's odd for the coupe to break before the regular model. Very strange and something is fishy.

I simply don't get the Coupe thing in a SUV. Rear space suffers, for no real apparent reason other than BMW came out with one and Mercedes felt they had to follow suit. Otherwise, you get to pay more for less utility.

Most buyers are not buying SUV's for utility, off-road etc.. It's become a "keep up with the Joneses" event and a false sense of safety that comes from a heavier bigger vehicle. Plus American are quite large now. IMO many buyers like these odd shaped, so-called coupes because they don't like or want the "wagon" look. Americans are afraid of the word wagon.

GLE Coupe pics
 

You're right - I've just never paid attention to the coupe. It's the current model. Had me fooled (foot in mouth)! Now it makes sense. Post dated 7/18/16.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9aa8c4548f.jpg

I certainly hope so!

Went to my dealer to order 2019 W166. He tried to get into the 2019 W166 ordering system and it was not opening. Went to his managers comp and it turns out,...........Because of the short run, we are currently NOT able to custom order 2019 W166's. As of now, whatever they send to the dealerships is what will be available. They received word of this today. Our lease is up at end of Oct so waiting for the W167 is not an option. This throws a major monkey wrench into the works. We don't want to pay for options that we don't want and want to be able to get the option combination that we love. Benz is really screwing **** up. Hopefully this changes and maybe they will allow a few custom orders. :mad:

Can't order 2019 W166 GLE
 

That sounds odd! I have to believe they will open up orders sometime soon, but maybe not soon enough for you. Is there anyway to extend your lease on a short-term basis? Or buy it off lease with a trade-in deal on the new one?

The option to extend the lease was discussed but there maybe an issue with mile overage, our prepaid maintenance and us missing the Winter Event deal.

I was told W167 Availability Feb/Mar with ability to order in Nov '19. Take that as a grain of salt because of all the "mish mosh" info we've all been getting. Damn Benz really screwed this up good.
Also was told dealerships may extend leases by a month by month basis to help out those who's leases are ending and are getting hosed on the 2019 W166 short runs.....but nothing yet in writing.

New 2019 X5 (G05)
 

This is a video look at the new X5, though not in English. Nice interior. I like the split tailgate. I don't think much is new with the drivetrain, though. And of course it will have runflats.
More info here: https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1503179


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7d717a6d7f.jpg

"2019 Mercedes GLE-Class SUV Stalked For 9 Minutes At The Ring"

https://motor1.com/news/252757/merce...-stalked-ring/

W167 availability
 

This makes the most sense. The new GLE will likely be presented in Sept/Oct online and then in the metal at the LA show in November. So it getting to dealers in early 2019 sounds right.

M

They've done it before. The 1999 W140 S_Class comes to mind, very short model year. It does seem odd that Mercedes would let the W166 go for 8 years. I don't get why you keep saying that about the engine though. I really don't. Makes no sense.

M

They make changes to cars every single year, even in the last year. It's nothing unusual really. The I6 engine is already in production has been for nearly a year now. The turbo V6 in ALL versions of the GLE is the same engine that has been productions for years.

M

What does that have to do with anything? The I6 has been in production for about a year now. This has nothing to do with the GLE plant in Alabama.

M

From the Vance website:

Plant Tours Suspended:
As we get ready to launch our future SUVs, public plant tours will be temporarily halted.
Plant tours may resume later this year.

Yep they're getting ready for model changeover and pilot production. Can't have anyone taking picture of a totally naked next generation GLE.


M

Just a quick flyby. The F Pace is out. I tried to get even a modest discount off MSRP from the three local dealers, who all scoffed at me and wouldn't even return phone calls or answer emails.

So, this Saturday I'm going to my MB dealer and will be test driving the current GLE and the E Class. I'm leaning to the E450 4Matic as my next car. The E400 has been discontinued for 2019 and the tech in the new E Class is just miles ahead of the GLE. Of all the MB cars I've owned over the years, my 3 E Class have been my all time favorites.

No, I'm saying it isn't made in Bama and that the engine change over is no factor in what goes on at the GLE plant in the U.S. When they stop building the current model they will build the new one with engines that are already being produced for the S500, and "53" models. There is no "issue" with engines.

M

That's just it, what issue are you talking about? I guess I just don't understand what you think the problem is here? You're talking like Mercedes hasn't done this a million times before. You don't seem to grasp that the I6 is NOT built in Alabama. Do you just not understand that the I6 is already in the CLS and the S-Class in Europe. The engine plants are already cranking them out for various cars. As V6 production slows and stops the I6 will crank up. There is no retooling for engines in Bama that I'm aware of, only the changeover for the new model which is something that Mercedes does all the time in one of their 8 plants all over the world. You simply don't know why the current GLE was extended another year and neither do I, but this about about engine production and what not is just guesswork. You are reaching and trying to create a problem where there is none. You act like this is the first time Mercedes has had to do a model change over. What exactly is the real problem here? This is is all 100% normal Mercedes (and other makers) practice.

M

W167 GLE delay
 

Yes, it is all guesswork. We all know an 8-year model cycle was not planned, but happened due to some unforeseen circumstances. So it's not reaching to say there is a problem. You may be right that the I6 had nothing to do with it. Or we may find the W167 was well-along in development when the new mild-hybrid powertain reached a point when it needed to be integrated. We may never know.

Do you all just not get that the I6 is already on the road in various models in Europe? The CLS is all new also and it runs the same engine right now, there was no problem there. It came out before the GLE and it runs the new engine just fine so that blows that theory out the water. It isn't an engine problem. There is nothing to support that. Yes this is nothing but reaching when the engine in question is already on the road. How do you really know that the current GLE wasn't supposed to go 8 years? There is 0 officially out there about that. It is unusual yes, but not unprecedented.

M

W167 GLE delay
 

I'm not sure why you are harping on this. I didn't say it was a problem with the engine, I said, depending on when it was decided to put it in the W167 it could have caused a delay if the model development was progressing with the V6 family. I don't know. We don't know. But something caused a delay. The public will probably never know.

I guess I'm just shocked at how little is known about car development here and how so much misinformation gets taken as fact. If the new CLS is out before the next genration GLE and it runs the new I6 why would it make any sense for Mercedes to develop the GLE the V6? You're literally saying that they were developing the new GLE with the V6 and decided to all of a sudden use the I6. Nothing here makes logical sense. That is ridiculous man lol. There is no problem integrating anything, the new I6 was clearly finished BEFORE the GLE.

Again, what officially points to a delay? Mercedes have gone 8 model years before. How does anyone here know that the current GLE wasn't supposed to go 8 model years? The W140 S-Class did. No one here even knows if there was a delay or if there was a problem to begin with.

M

I think GregW / Oregon has a better source than you!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6994e32951.jpg

Yeah right, there is no "source". They're just really clueless. It's all just unfounded guesswork. Reading here you'd think that the GLE is first time Mercedes has ever replaced a model or an engine. There are oh so many problems, that Daimler can't figure the GLE out, but they've replaced countless models and engines before quite seamlessly.

M

Thanks Ron. I was initially disappointed about the F Pace, but that's worn off. Other than the fact I personally think the F Pace is smoking hot looking, it misses on many things, like their glitchy infotainment system. I'm glad I'll be sticking with Mercedes. I've always had great success with my MB cars. I don't know if I have the patience to wait for several more months (yes.....I was born without the patience gene). And I really don't need a SUV. This is why the E450, which I'll be driving for the first time this Saturday, may be the best option for what I want in a car. I guess I'll know Saturday and I'll provide an update. I have the build guide for the 2019 E450 and have already configured it out exactly the way I'd want it. If I decide to get one, I'll just hand my sales guy the printout of what they should order with all the exact option codes.

Are you certain you saw MBUX? My understanding is it is only currently in the new A class and will be rolled out to other models in due time, but I don't believe the S class has it yet.

Sorry, but that doesn't mean it's MBUX. The screen in the S Class is just as you describe. For it to have been MBUX, it would have been:

A: Touch Screen
B: Responded verbally (not via touching the speak button) to the words "Hey Mercedes" to which the voice would have said, "How Can I Help You?"

The S Screen and even on the E class are all glass and digital. But they aren't MBUX, which is an interface, not a design style. If however the screen you saw was Touch Screen and did respond to voice commands ala "Alexa" or Siri, then it would be MBUX.

Attached are two pictures. First is the 2018 S Class Infotainment Screen. Second is the 2018 E Class Infotainment Screen. Neither are MBUX, but both are quite exceptional.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6b1c0445b7.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7178254259.jpg

You didn't waste anyone's time, so no apologies necessary. Just for fun, this is a photo of the A class which now is the first MB with MBUX. You'll see there they look very similar. Only since the A class is a much smaller car, the screen is not as big as one on the E or S Class.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7687ece252.jpg

I'll be leaving the W167 forum now. Today I test drove a 2018 GLE and an E400. For what I want in a car, the E400 was sublime and I ordered a 2019 E450 in Lunar Blue, with most of the options available.

I'm sure when the new GLE arrives it will be amazing. I just found I was way more comfortable in the sedan and the E has such amazing tech behind the wheel.

Best to you all as you get news of the GLE in the coming months.

Thanks Greg. I was born without the patience Gene, so the wait is going to difficult. At least I finally made a decision.

Sounds like an awesome decision. Congrats!

Than you!

Latest sighting:

2020 Mercedes-AMG GLE 63 Spied Showing Much Of Its Skin

https://motor1.com/news/258455/mercedes-amg-gle-63-spied/

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...3cb1290613.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...209a7257ae.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...4866fdb9af.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...0f0240c63e.jpg

Mercedes-AMG GLE 53 Spied Showing Off Quad Round Exhaust Tips

https://motor1.com/news/258632/mercedes-amg-gle-43-spied/

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...f0329fdaf9.jpg

2020 Mercedes-Benz GLE 450 Prototype Ride Review | King of all terrain
 

The first real new information. Magic Body Control sounds great.
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/08/02/...totype-review/

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...3d1dc163b1.jpg

Magic Body Control is more than an air suspension. I think it's only available on the S Class (see description below). The GLE will be the first car MB has offered Magic Body Control on outside of the S.

MAGIC BODY CONTROL® advances the fully active suspension to be proactive. Camera-based Road Surface Scan watches the road ahead and prepares the suspension to take action before the wheels reach bumps and dips. A network of sensors and electronically controlled hydraulics generates forces to counteract the effects of the road surface on ride and handling. The CURVE function lets the car lean into corners much like a motorcyclist or skier, to help reduce the lateral forces felt by the occupants.

Magic Body Control
 

Suspension
 

Magic Body Control
 

While Mercedes claims to be the first with this technology, the 1990 Toyota Leopard F31 was equipped with the "Duet-SS Super Sonic Suspension" II system that was also installed on other NIssan vehicles at the time, which featured a sonar module mounted under the front bumper that scanned the road surface and adjusted the suspension accordingly via actuators mounted on the strut towers. Certainly more primitive than MBC, but amazing to think that was 28 years ago!

In reading the various articles it looks like the GLE will have the X5 beat easily in suspension tech the way it drives on road and off road. The GLE53 will be the sweetheart of the range. I wouldn't be surprised to see a GLE 350 return with the 299hp 4-cylinder engine. The same engine that was supposed to go into the U.S. market E350 before they decided not to.

M

Latest press
 

Thanks - starting to get exciting! Noted the comment about the wheelbase being 3" longer, hopefully not the OL.

New Mercedes GLE Has Only 2 Or 3 Bolts In Common With The Old One
 

From Motor1.com 8.3.18:

The GLE’s roots can be traced back to the second half of 2011 when Mercedes introduced the third-generation ML-Class. The name change reflecting the SUV’s connection in size with the E-Class happened in 2015, but the underpinnings remained pretty much the same. What we’re trying to say here is that the midsize SUV is getting a bit long in the tooth, especially when compared to its much newer rivals, but not to worry as a completely revamped GLE will be unveiled in the months to come.

Some of our media colleagues had the privilege of taking near-production prototypes for a quick spin and were also allowed to have a brief look at the specs sheet. Auto Express is reporting the new-gen model is 80 millimeters (3.1 inches) longer than its predecessor and it now stretches at 4.93 meters (194 inches). If you’re wondering about how many components have been carried over from the old one, you’ll be happy to hear only “two or three bolts” were borrowed, according to project manager for GLE development, Stefanie Schmitz.

Chief engineer and head of testing, Rüdiger Rutz, admitted the Range Rover is a better performer off-road compared to the outgoing GLE, but things will change with the next generation as it has been engineered to be more competent on difficult terrain. Mercedes' Active Body Control has been further tweaked for this purpose, while the Off-Road Plus setting will jack up the SUV by 50 mm (nearly 2 inches).

Steel springs will come as standard on the cheaper versions, but those willing to fork out more money will have the option of an air suspension ensuring a silky smooth ride. A front-mounted camera will scan the road up ahead and will send info to the suspension that will automatically adjust itself so those inside the cabin won’t be bothered by the road’s imperfections.

Engine details are limited for the time being, but we do know the GLE 450 will rely on the company’s newly developed inline-six 3.0-liter helped by an electric motor. It will work with a nine-speed automatic transmission and a standard 4Matic AWD setup, with up to 100 percent of the power channeled to the rear axle and as much as 65 percent sent to the front wheels. At an additional cost, Mercedes will sell the GLE with an optional two-speed transfer case for those in need of a truly competent and luxurious off-roader.

Riding on the Mercedes High Architecture (MHA), the next-gen GLE will source some of the tech from the S-Class flagship and will be available with huge 21-inch wheels part of an optional sport package. Hotter versions of the GLE will include the mild hybrid 53 and eventually a new range-topping 63, while a GLE Coupe will follow with a nearly identical specs sheet.

Mercedes has already kicked off the teaser campaign for the overhauled GLE, so expect an official reveal to take place before the year’s end.

Hey folks. I've been following the thread as bits of info dribble out. The new GLE is certainly shaping up to be a great SUV. We finally decided to just get two 2018 E Class Sedans. My partner's is a Polar White E300 and today, I picked up an Iridium Silver E400. They're just the right cars for us at this time. They're pretty terrific and both are 100% paid for!

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6f26b0fcc0.jpg

I hope this has not already been discussed but this youtube video review has:

Touch screen and MBUX
3rd row option
Electric engine each wheel
Bouncing hooptie like (LOL)
Electric rear seats
Two V8 engines
4" wheelbase increase (10 cm)

What has the rumor mill said about the GLE 53.. Will it be available straight at launch or will it be a delayed release? Counting the days for Paris Auto Show.

From a Moror1 Article:"The new Mercedes GLE is expected to show up before the end of the year, or early in 2019. Underhood of the standard model should come the same mild-hybrid, inline-six turbocharged powerplant found on cars like the E-Class. On the sedan it produces 362 horsepower (269 kilowatts) and 369 pound-feet (500 Newton-meters) of torque from the engine, alongside an extra 21 hp (15 kW) and 184 lb-ft (249 Nm) from the electric motor.

As for the hotted-up AMG models, don’t expect to see them until at least late 2019 or early 2020. The GLE 53 will be the first to arrive, and could come with the same hybrid inline-six, while the more potent GLE 63 should get a powerful V8. Spy videos show the high-powered 63 model with what appears to be a V8 underhood. "

EDIT: Just same video from above repeated.

The video posted at #335 is very telling. The new adjustable back seating is a great addition. But I also notice MB finally moved away from the current headrest design that caused problems for smaller children. Here are two pics taken from the video:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...708543fd10.png
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...2cfecb663e.png

The return of the non-AMG V8 - GLE560 perhaps?
 

Thank you E55 KEV for posting that video, it's probably the best one we've seen yet, but what a pity the presenter wasn't allowed to take the camo fabric off the dashboard! Oh well, in time I guess.

Also thanks to the other fellow members who have sourced information on the W167 and shared it with us all, especially GregW / Oregon and JoeMa!!

The W167 looks like it's going to be a total game changer. Some of those features in the video are very cool, but the most exciting part for me is the return of the non-AMG V8 from the S560, which we can assume will be a GLE560. My fingers are now crossed hoping that MBAuP allows it be available in Australia. My W166 ML500 was the best car I've ever owned, and ever since I sold it I've regretted it. Unfortunately, a new GLE500 was no longer available last year so I bought the GLS as I still wanted the non-AMG V8. This was a bad decision on my behalf, as it is way too big for me and it really drives like a truck. I really miss the car-like nimbleness of the ML so I'm very excited about the W167 GLE, even more so now!

As always, safe & happy motoring everyone!!

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Trick suspension and handling
 

The Magic Body Control suspension option is intriguing, but the complexity would give me pause - will likely be prone to problems after warranty and expensive to fix. I will still consider it, though. Theoretically it will make damage to low profile wheels less likely as it adjusts wheel extension in real time to potholes or bumps. The Handling Package with Active Curve and 20s on my '12 definitely improves handling in the twisty stuff and I will want something that is at least equal to that.

W167 debut
 

Hope the Paris Auto Show debut is correct - that's less than 2 months away (10/4). Previous rumor was LA at end of November.

New motor1 article:
https://www.motor1.com/news/261286/2...gle-spy-video/

Hey Greg, have you searched the S Class forum for posts from owners with Magic Body Control? It's an intriguing for me as well so if you find anything of note, please post it.

And BTW, the 2019 BMW X5 looks very interesting, numerous improvements. Looks like 5-passenger SUV's are going to be a hot segment next year.

Another video from Germany:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=46&v=Vjao82mNeAM

German site showing the complete interior:

https://www.mercedes-fans.de/magazin...w167-aus.13520

W167 GLE interior photos
 

Thanks - here are the images.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9eb321c0ec.jpg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...bcf2326734.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c33603c792.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...1592243a74.jpg

Other than the MBUX screen, I have to say the interior leaves me flat, TBH. I expected a bit more style from the dashboard. I'm sure the whole package will be great, but this is a bit of letdown.

It is disappointing for me as well. I expected a much better dash design. Looks more like an after thought. The current S Class dash at least provides some shielding from the sun and reflections. There is literally none in this design. If the GLS looks like this, I don't know if I'll be trading in my 2017.

This is a much better design for the upper dash, providing protection from sun and glare:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...872eb7e164.jpg

Yes, like in my new E400, there is shielding from the sun (though I wasn't able to find one with the total digital dash. In contrast with the GLE dash, which looks like an iPad on horizontal steroids was stuck in place.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...40aa49489f.jpg

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The poor photos don't help; should look better IRL. Here are Audi Q8, BMW X5 & Volvo XC60 interiors for comparison.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...cfaaf62a7f.jpg
Audi Q8

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...29bfdd0827.jpg
BMW X5 2019

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d2d89ac23e.jpg
Volvo XC90

Don't care for the Volvo styling, but the BMW and Audi are nicely done and honestly, visually more interesting than the GLE if indeed that is the final design style.

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Well, if Tesla can do it... ;)

The only thing that I don't like about my GLS interior is the iPad sticking out, they should have left that as it was in the ML/GL and of course that ugly look they kept going forward, unbelievable. And what's up with the handles in the middle? It's not like it will help getting in and out of the car, I never liked that in Porsches but they make sports cars so if you need it when you are racing on the track whatever but putting it in a Mercedes SUV? What happened to the elegant, classic Mercedes style... it's all turning into sport and plastic!

Definitely a bit of a let down. Let's hope the final product is much better. IMO, the leaked GLE photos look much worse than the posted competition. Especially the tablet application and material finish. Look how the ends of the tablet overlap the HVAC vents.. I mean that can't be right. It could also be the lowest trim model (some of these don't make it to US).

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I think what you see is basically what you get (except the poor photos do not help); with the stitching and premium display this is not a stripper. I guess I wouldn't mind the display if it was like on the A-Class and set against a blank dash. The huge vents just don't look right.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6a87a315de.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...04bf5e6acd.jpg