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JoeMa 10-25-2018 01:05 PM

Wireless CarPlay
 
I wanted to start a separate thread about "Wireless" CarPlay. Many interested in the new GLE have little or no interest in this technology so a separate discussion is in order.

There's a site devoted to CarPlay news that lists vehicle which support "Wireless" CarPlay. The new A-Class and new GLE are both listed. Here's the link:

http://www.carplaylife.com/feature/h...play-wireless/

BACnMercedes 10-26-2018 12:34 PM

Honestly, I dispise carplay. But I use it because what I listen to in the car and the navigation work better when plugged in and I'm using it that way. Hopefully the new MBUX system will just support wireless (Pandora or navigation) connectivity similar to what BMW ConnectedDrive does now and give us more options than what I have now.
I think manufacturers do a much better job and things work better when they use their own system to connect to our phones to get the entertainment/navigation/texts/whatever we want and need. When they have to also get a third party system to work in their vehicles and work properly, just creates another set of problems.

JoeMa 10-26-2018 07:08 PM

I appreciate you sharing your views and wanted to share my take of CarPlay.

I'm honestly surprised you (or anyone) would prefer Mercedes built-in Nav to CarPlay. IMO their Nav is difficult to use. With CarPlay I can ask for directions while driving and I'm on my way. The maps in CarPlay are way better than the hard to read maps in my GLS. I can send and receive text messages by voice. I can ask for just about any song or album imaginable via Apple Music. As for MBUX, I hope it's miles better than their current Nav system but I reserve judgement on how good the updated Nav works once I can test it out in person. The AR feature for the MBUX Nav looks cool but again I will test it in person and make a judgement afterward.

The downside to using CarPlay (for me) is the need to plug in my iPhone and tuck it away. I often forget my phone when I exit the vehicle. The wireless Qi charger and possible support of "Wireless" CarPlay will solve this obvious annoyance, at least for me.

ShrimpKing 10-27-2018 08:30 AM

IMO, The new MBUX with reality navigation would be replace the value of Apple carplay. Hope the new nature language voice command works like siri.

JoeMa 10-27-2018 08:58 AM

That may turn out to be the case and it would be easier than jumping between CarPlay and MBUX but I still am hoping MBUX supports "Wireless" CarPlay in case I prefer it to the built-in Nav. I also read that Apple is planning an overhaul of CarPlay for iOS 13, some nice improvements are likely planned. So hopefully the announcements back in April about MBUX supporting "Wireless" CarPlay turn out to be true.

Ron.s 10-27-2018 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by JoeMa (Post 7587268)
I appreciate you sharing your views and wanted to share my take of CarPlay.
The downside to using CarPlay (for me) is the need to plug in my iPhone and tuck it away. I often forget my phone when I exit the vehicle. The wireless Qi charger and possible support of "Wireless" CarPlay will solve this obvious annoyance, at least for me.

Audi gives you a warning on exit ďYour Phone is still in the vehicleĒ, Mercedes may add that kind of warning. Since wireless will use a lot of battery life you might have it on the wireless charger and forget it the same as plugged in USB.
Another advantage of wireless is that the cords can get knocked around and eventually loosen/damage the USB C port. Wireless is just more tidy. No matter how good the MBUX, it will never be as good as Apple or Android for search and depth of information. The huge Cloud based Data Base they have developed over several years and the AI lead are insurmountable, IMO. Thatís not to say that the Mercedes system wonít be good for most basic needs.

JoeMa 10-27-2018 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by Ron.s (Post 7587598)


Audi gives you a warning on exit ďYour Phone is still in the vehicleĒ, Mercedes may add that kind of warning. Since wireless will use a lot of battery life you might have it on the wireless charger and forget it the same as plugged in USB.
Another advantage of wireless is that the cords can get knocked around and eventually loosen/damage the USB C port. Wireless is just more tidy. No matter how good the MBUX, it will never be as good as Apple or Android for search and depth of information. The huge Cloud based Data Base they have developed over several years and the AI lead are insurmountable, IMO. Thatís not to say that the Mercedes system wonít be good for most basic needs.

You make some very valid points, thanks.

BACnMercedes 10-28-2018 02:50 PM

I guess I should have explained myself a little better. I dispise carplay because it rarely works correctly. Now when I plug the phone in (which in this day and age is just stupid) it takes me 2-3 times of opening and closing the app I need (mostly pandora) to get it to to work. Then about every 3-4 months I have to totally clear the memory (reset to factory settings) of the car and tell my phone to forget the bluetooth settings and start everything over. But when it works, it is pretty decent but I have seen and used easier systems: BMW ConnectedDrive (yes it's on a newer car and newer software) or Toyota Entune.

JoeMa 10-28-2018 03:07 PM

Iíve never experienced any of those issues and have been using CarPlay for about two years. Here is a link from Apple that explains how to use CarPlay. Maybe something here will resolve your issues:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205634

JoeMa 11-10-2018 09:46 AM

The 2019 Audi Q8 supports Wireless CarPlay. Check it out at 18:20 minutes in:



I sure hope the GLE supports it.


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ShrimpKing 11-10-2018 10:30 AM

same here, i really do hope they have wireless apple car play. Every time step in the car, need plug cable in, is pain in the ass :bs:

nosnoop 12-25-2018 10:59 AM

Wireless CarPlay is supposed to be available.

And I have been using Wireless Carplay with my BMW and I love it, especially now that we have Google Map and Waze in CarPlay.
Not having to plug the phone in every time I get into the car (or forget to remove the phone when I get out) is very nice. My BMW also has wireless charging and would alert you if you leave the phone behind.

Google Map is what I use everyday, mostly for traffic and real time re-routing. The ETA is very accurate, and I really like the way they label alternate route in intersection or fork with "4 minutes slower" or "Similar ETA" so that I can make decisions which way to go in real time. It is so much better than any car manufacturers' navigation systems (includine BMW's and Mercedes') than I am willing to accept the lack of HUD integration. Waze is also nice, but I find it way too aggressive in re-routing from the usual route. Sometimes, it would send me for a detour for saving 1 minute despite having more turns, traffic lights - and it ends up slower than the original route.
And as expected, Apple Music works great in CarPlay.

ilovemaui1 01-06-2019 10:35 PM

I love Carplay. Much easier to plug in an address especially using Siri. I don't mind plugging in the phone because it keeps the battery charged. With Apple Music you can pretty much play any song by any artist just by asking Siri.

piage 02-08-2019 11:45 PM

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b0rderman 02-11-2019 07:33 PM

It looks like wireless carplay is not on the cars that were at the press launch in Texas late last year:

Has anyone seen any videos that confirm otherwise?

JoeMa 02-12-2019 07:57 AM

Iíve been looking carefully at many videos and not one of them shows the use of wireless CarPlay so Iím confident it is not supported in the new GLE. We will need to plug-in our iPhones via a Lightning to USB-C cable to use CarPlay. Disappointed with MB on this decision.

b0rderman 02-12-2019 08:11 AM

Autogefuhl replied to my comment on the above video confirming no wireless CarPlay.

The new A-class has it though right? Go figure. I was hoping with the USB-C ports so too came wireless CarPlay...apparently that is not the case.

Ron.s 02-12-2019 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by b0rderman (Post 7679439)
Autogefuhl replied to my comment on the above video confirming no wireless CarPlay.
The new A-class has it though right? Go figure. I was hoping with the USB-C ports so too came wireless CarPlay...apparently that is not the case.

It may still be a future OTA upgrade if the GLE has the hardware. I think it requires WIFI unless the newer Bluetooth version is available with increased bandwidth. Audi has taken a different approach and is using native Android as the basic Vehicle operating System. There are others doing the same. It may be that Apple is working with some. Since Mercedes has invested in their own system and itís so new....they may be reluctant to take a chance with the high volume GLE and possible issues. Maybe the A-Class are Beta Testers.

JoeMa 02-12-2019 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by b0rderman (Post 7679439)
Autogefuhl replied to my comment on the above video confirming no wireless CarPlay.

The new A-class has it though right? Go figure. I was hoping with the USB-C ports so too came wireless CarPlay...apparently that is not the case.

The new A Class does not support wireless CarPlay. To my understanding, no MB vehicles yet support it. But as Ron points out, maybe it will be activated as a future OTA update if the head-unit has the needed hardware but I see no logic in disabling wireless CarPlay at launch if MBUX can support it. It's a safety feature in my view. Simply put your iPhone on the charging pad and no need to ever look at your phone while driving. Drivers distracted by their phones is a huge problem in the USA.

b0rderman 02-12-2019 09:27 AM

Interesting about the A-class not getting it either. My hope was that the new 2020 E-class facelift would get the feature via a "trickle up" from the A-class...guess not!

I became addicted to wireless CarPlay via an aftermarket head unit on another car. My commutes are rather short, and it is so nice to just leave your phone in your pocket and have your podcast pickup right where you left off from your drive into work...tap the text icon and give my wife a heads up I am on my way, etc.

I understand it's not difficult to plug in an iPhone before you drive away...but until you have experienced "keep it in your pocket" wireless CarPlay, you will never want to go back. I feel like those that have longer commutes and want to toss their phones on the wireless charger are in a similar situation. One less cord flopping about. In this thread I realize I am preaching to the choir.

Ron.s 02-12-2019 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by b0rderman (Post 7679487)
Interesting about the A-class not getting it either. My hope was that the new 2020 E-class facelift would get the feature via a "trickle up" from the A-class...guess not!

I became addicted to wireless CarPlay via an aftermarket head unit on another car. My commutes are rather short, and it is so nice to just leave your phone in your pocket and have your podcast pickup right where you left off from your drive into work...tap the text icon and give my wife a heads up I am on my way, etc.

I understand it's not difficult to plug in an iPhone before you drive away...but until you have experienced "keep it in your pocket" wireless CarPlay, you will never want to go back. I feel like those that have longer commutes and want to toss their phones on the wireless charger are in a similar situation. One less cord flopping about. In this thread I realize I am preaching to the choir.

Agreed, many users want it. I use AA but itís the same principle. Another advantage is with the phone plugged in you and you stop for fuel, a meal, etc then either leave your phone in the car or itís a PIA to remove and put back. If our Audi didnít have a reminder ďyour cell phone is still in the vehicleĒ I would forget it most of the time.

chassis 03-22-2019 10:39 PM

My wife's 2018 G01 BMW X3 has wireless CarPlay. She loves CarPlay, and prefers it over the built in nav system. I like the seamless wireless connection the BMW iDrive makes with her phone when using CarPlay.

I do not care for CarPlay, and use COMAND on my W166.

J2brian703 03-23-2019 03:14 AM


Originally Posted by Ron.s (Post 7679494)

Agreed, many users want it. I use AA but itís the same principle. Another advantage is with the phone plugged in you and you stop for fuel, a meal, etc then either leave your phone in the car or itís a PIA to remove and put back. If our Audi didnít have a reminder ďyour cell phone is still in the vehicleĒ I would forget it most of the time.

Found this while searching random stuffs on Google.. Not sure if North America is in it.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...21a7c83bc0.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...28fa4efa77.png
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...30053dee86.png

JoeMa 03-23-2019 06:34 AM

The Tweeter thread above is interesting and revealing. I personally see no reason why MB wouldn't eventually enable CarPlay support in MBUX equipped vehicles (including North America). Likely just working some issues out and taking a conservative approach.

2012MLBlue 03-24-2019 09:36 AM

I love carplay and use it for many things every single day. Just an FYI if you have a new larger phone I put my iPhone XS Max into the wireless charging pad on the GLE 450 and it BARELY fits and was hard to get out. Very thin case on it too and if you had an otterbox, etc. I don't think it would fit at all.

attardtony 03-24-2019 04:41 PM

Apple car play
 
list of vehicles with wireless car play
https://www.carplaylife.com/feature/...play-wireless/

Option 1: Wireless Apple CarPlay vehicle

The list of wireless CarPlay compatible vehicles is short, but we will certainly see this grow in future models. For now though, below are the available Wireless Apple CarPlay vehicles selling today:
  1. BMW 2017 5 Series
  2. BMW 2018 3 Series
  3. Audi 2019 A6 (unconfirmed)
  4. Audi 2019 A7
  5. Audi 2019 A8
  6. Audi 2019 Q8 (unconfirmed)
  7. Audi 2020 e-tron SUV
  8. Lamborghini Urus
  9. Mercedes 2018 A-Class (Q3 2018)
  10. Mercedes 2019 GLE (MBUX system)
  11. Mini 2018 LCI Hatch & Convertible range
  12. Toyota 2020 Supra

JoeMa 03-24-2019 04:48 PM

That article was published April 29, 2018 and is incorrect about the Mercedes listed. Donít know any other way to put it but MBUX doesnít support wireless CarPlay. Must connect with a cable to use CarPlay.

chassis 03-24-2019 05:27 PM

Add to the list of wireless CarPlay vehicles: 2018 BMW X3

JoeMa 03-24-2019 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by chassis (Post 7713834)
Add to the list of wireless CarPlay vehicles: 2018 BMW X3

Also add the X5, X7 and any BMW being refreshed in 2019 with iDrive 7.

JoeMa 03-24-2019 06:19 PM

This is one of the best X7 reviews to date:


fabbrisd1 03-25-2019 12:15 AM

From what I am told :

1. Mercedes wanted Apple approval to have BOTH wired/wireless CarPlay for MBUX - as the vast majority of iPhones in use today don't have wireless charging

2. When Apple finally said either/or for CarPlay - Mercedes made the "safe choice" for their customers - OH - and MB also has Android Auto - does your X7 have that ?

JoeMa 03-25-2019 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by fabbrisd1 (Post 7714184)
From what I am told :

1. Mercedes wanted Apple approval to have BOTH wired/wireless CarPlay for MBUX - as the vast majority of iPhones in use today don't have wireless charging

2. When Apple finally said either/or for CarPlay - Mercedes made the "safe choice" for their customers - OH - and MB also has Android Auto - does your X7 have that ?

Some clarification to "what you heard":
  • Wireless charging is not required to use wireless CarPlay which was introduced with the release of iOS 9, before any iPhone had wireless charging.
  • Many BMW's (including X7) now support wireless CarPlay. BMW does not support Android Auto. This thread is about wireless CarPlay.
  • Many potential buyers still believe MBUX supports wireless CarPlay, it does not.

fabbrisd1 03-25-2019 07:34 PM

Mercedes wants CarPlay users to have "charging" during CarPlay use - so that you can use CarPlay in the MB for as long as you want - and when you get out of the Car after continuous use you have as much juice (or more) as you has when you stepped into your MB.

MB has made the correct decision - cable provides charging for ALL iPhones whether the iPhone or the MB has wireless charging or not.

From what I am told - it's Apple that put MB into a bind - Apple suddenly - MB if you offer Wireless CarPlay - then Apple says you can't offer have cabled CarPlay in that same MB - hence the dilemma at this moment

Ron.s 03-25-2019 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by fabbrisd1 (Post 7715073)
Mercedes wants CarPlay users to have "charging" during CarPlay use - so that you can use CarPlay in the MB for as long as you want - and when you get out of the Car after continuous use you have as much juice (or more) as you has when you stepped into your MB.

MB has made the correct decision - cable provides charging for ALL iPhones whether the iPhone or the MB has wireless charging or not.

From what I am told - it's Apple that put MB into a bind - Apple suddenly - MB if you offer Wireless CarPlay - then Apple says you can't offer have cabled CarPlay in that same MB - hence the dilemma at this moment

Iím skeptical, that doesnít sound like Apple. They want people using Car Play and thereís no advantage for Apple! Iíd be more inclined to believe that Apple has two separate products-wired and wireless but that seems unlikely. Will the BMW work wired as well as wireless?
Maybe some news will be forthcoming. MBUX has got to have been a very challenging project and wireless could still be on the table along with other enhancements.

DMG 03-25-2019 08:33 PM

As an fyi I just saw this post on the BMW X7 Forum, take it with as many grains of salt as you wish:

Picked up my X7 a week and a half ago and have had nothing but trouble with CarPlay. Tried everything to get it to consistently work but to no avail. Went to the X5 forum and found all sorts of complaints about iDrive 7 and CarPlay. No connection, dropped connection, no music showing, playing a song-stopping at the grocery store-leave phone in car-come back out - start car and NO CarPlay anymore. Also the Apple Pay screen when putting my Xs max in the wireless charger. All of these things I am experience have been going on in the X5 community. All are waiting on a major update to fix it. My software version is 11/2018.55. I love this car but this is very frustrating. FIX IT BMW!

JoeMa 03-25-2019 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by Ron.s (Post 7715102)
Will the BMW work wired as well as wireless?

Hi Ron, BMW's new iDrive 7 doesn't support a wired (cable) CarPlay, wireless only.

Ron.s 03-25-2019 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMa (Post 7715245)
Hi Ron, BMW's new iDrive 7 doesn't support a wired (cable) CarPlay, wireless only.

Thanks Joe...
That supports my theory that there may be a choice of one or the other and Benz choose wired. I would prefer wireless because you can always plug in for charging on a long trip even if your phone doesn't have wireless charging.

JoeMa 03-25-2019 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by DMG (Post 7715145)
As an fyi I just saw this post on the BMW X7 Forum, take it with as many grains of salt as you wish:

Picked up my X7 a week and a half ago and have had nothing but trouble with CarPlay. Tried everything to get it to consistently work but to no avail. Went to the X5 forum and found all sorts of complaints about iDrive 7 and CarPlay. No connection, dropped connection, no music showing, playing a song-stopping at the grocery store-leave phone in car-come back out - start car and NO CarPlay anymore. Also the Apple Pay screen when putting my Xs max in the wireless charger. All of these things I am experience have been going on in the X5 community. All are waiting on a major update to fix it. My software version is 11/2018.55. I love this car but this is very frustrating. FIX IT BMW!

I've experienced a few issues using CarPlay but it's not as bad as that post makes it out to be. Apple Pay does pop up when you place an iPhone (that has activated Apple Pay) on the charger base. We noticed it before we purchased the X7 and the genius (that's what they call their tech-savvy guy) told us the charging base has a NFC emitter to work in conjunction with their new Digital Key (credit card like replacement for a FOB). So when you place an iPhone on the charger base it opens the Apple Pay app thinking you are placing the phone near a NFC reader to make a payment. I found I can just swipe up on the phone to close the app but this is a bug BMW will need to fix with an OTA software update. Other than that, CarPlay works for me and often I don't place my iPhone on the charger if I'm making a short run. MB doesn't offer a digital key so their charger base wouldn't require a NFC emitter. One thing I feel BMW did better than MB is they use the entire 12.3" screen to display the CarPlat interface which looks great. MB's wired connection only uses a portion of the screen leaving bars on the left and right. Poor decision IMO but maybe they'll issue an OTA software update in the future that takes the CarPlay interface full-screen or better yet, supports wireless CarPlay. Anything is possible I guess.

DMG 03-25-2019 10:54 PM

Joe, apparently the lates iOS update fixes the issue with Apple Pay appearing.

JoeMa 03-25-2019 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by DMG (Post 7715275)
Joe, apparently the lates iOS update fixes the issue with Apple Pay appearing.

I just applied the update and tested it and sure enough that glitch has been fixed by Apple. Likely challenging for a car company to support software they have no control over. Thanks for the heads up.

nova99 03-27-2019 09:44 PM

Wife's 2017 X5 50i supports wireless CarPlay. At the time when she took delivery in 2016 (a long time ago yes) it was the only brand I know of that had it, and it works pretty flawlessly wired or wirelessly.
JoeMa - check out BimmerPost forums. Welcome to the brand and chime in on the X7 forums.

DMG 03-28-2019 01:30 AM


Originally Posted by nova99 (Post 7717176)
Wife's 2017 X5 50i supports wireless CarPlay. At the time when she took delivery in 2016 (a long time ago yes) it was the only brand I know of that had it, and it works pretty flawlessly wired or wirelessly.
JoeMa - check out BimmerPost forums. Welcome to the brand and chime in on the X7 forums.

You and the wife are very welcome for the info about the very recent IOS upgrade tip that removes the issue of Apple Pay on wireless CarPlay that everyone has been talking about. Now if you could please address all of the other issues it would be great. Thanks!

nosnoop 03-28-2019 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by DMG (Post 7715145)
As an fyi I just saw this post on the BMW X7 Forum, take it with as many grains of salt as you wish:
Picked up my X7 a week and a half ago and have had nothing but trouble with CarPlay. Tried everything to get it to consistently work but to no avail. Went to the X5 forum and found all sorts of complaints about iDrive 7 and CarPlay. No connection, dropped connection, no music showing, playing a song-stopping at the grocery store-leave phone in car-come back out - start car and NO CarPlay anymore. Also the Apple Pay screen when putting my Xs max in the wireless charger. All of these things I am experience have been going on in the X5 community. All are waiting on a major update to fix it. My software version is 11/2018.55. I love this car but this is very frustrating. FIX IT BMW!

Have been using BMW Wireless CarPlay for 1+ year - works very well and had none of the trouble above.
Fast connection, great audio quality, and actually works better than my current GLE's wired CarPlay.

Joe, another cool thing you can do with your BMW is coding. X7 is probably too new; but once they figure it out, you should be able to change a lot of the settings through coding.
For example, headlights in North America are crippled and coded to disable all the advance function. Assuming that they have not changed the hardware, you can re-enable the anti-dazzle and variable beam pattern feature of the adaptive headlights through coding, and fully utilize what the laser headlights can do.

JoeMa 03-28-2019 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by nova99 (Post 7717176)
Wife's 2017 X5 50i supports wireless CarPlay. At the time when she took delivery in 2016 (a long time ago yes) it was the only brand I know of that had it, and it works pretty flawlessly wired or wirelessly.
JoeMa - check out BimmerPost forums. Welcome to the brand and chime in on the X7 forums.

Thanks. I signed up for BimmerPost 4 days ago and I'm still waiting for the moderator to approve my membership. The iPhone BimmerPost app looks promising.

JoeMa 03-28-2019 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by nosnoop (Post 7717347)
Joe, another cool thing you can do with your BMW is coding. X7 is probably too new; but once they figure it out, you should be able to change a lot of the settings through coding.
For example, headlights in North America are crippled and coded to disable all the advance function. Assuming that they have not changed the hardware, you can re-enable the anti-dazzle and variable beam pattern feature of the adaptive headlights through coding, and fully utilize what the laser headlights can do.

Thanks for the info. Is there an iPhone app you use to do this or a device you plug into your BMW to reprogram the factory default settings?

nosnoop 03-28-2019 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMa (Post 7717375)
Thanks for the info. Is there an iPhone app you use to do this or a device you plug into your BMW to reprogram the factory default settings?

For simple settings change, you can use bimmercode or mycarly apps with a Bluetooth/WiFi OBD adapter. Their web sites have a list of parameters you can change (no X7 at this point).

But for some more complicated change like anti-dazzle/no-glare high beam, iOS apps are not able to do that. You need special program with a laptop+OBD adapter. I would leave it for the experienced/professional coders to make those changes.

JoeMa 03-28-2019 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by nosnoop (Post 7717832)
For simple settings change, you can use bimmercode or mycarly apps with a Bluetooth/WiFi OBD adapter. Their web sites have a list of parameters you can change (no X7 at this point).

But for some more complicated change like anti-dazzle/no-glare high beam, iOS apps are not able to do that. You need special program with a laptop+OBD adapter. I would leave it for the experienced/professional coders to make those changes.

Thanks for info, I would be interested in opening up those laser lights to their full potential someday. I still cannot use Bimmerpost, Iíve been waiting for the moderator to approve my account for five days now. Ridiculous.

Ron.s 03-28-2019 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMa (Post 7717846)
Thanks for info, I would be interested in opening up those laser lights to their full potential someday. I still cannot use Bimmerpost, Iíve been waiting for the moderator to approve my account for five days now. Ridiculous.

We still like you here Joe😘

JoeMa 03-28-2019 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by Ron.s (Post 7717947)
We still like you here Joe😘

Thanks Ron. Iíve enjoyed this forum immensely and will likely keep track of deliveries and pics in the coming weeks but Iím finding I have less and less to contribute so Iím trying to stay out of the conversations. Canít wait to hear your reactions to your new GLE.


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