How do you disable this thing from going into HOLD?
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Honda is near the bottom on the reliability list? LMAO! I've never driven a car more reliable than Honda and I've had lots of different cars. That just tells me, in addition to everyone I know who buys Hondas for reliability, that the JD chart is unreliable. Period.
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Based on what I read so far, the implementation of the HOLD function is different between BMW and Mercedes.
For BMW, its always active when it is on, so that whenever the car come to a stop, the hold function is active. I think this is the reason why there is a on/off switch, as its either always on or always off, and the user has to pick one or the other.
As for Mercedes, the hold function is active by command, meaning you have to activate it every time. You first have to come to a complete stop (with constant pressure on brake pedal), then apply additional pressure to activate the hold function. The method means the hold is only active when you activate it, which I believe is also the reason why Mercedes does not have a way to disable it, as it is not needed.
As for my personal preference, I actually like the method Mercedes uses. There are times where I want to use the hold function, and times where I don't want to, and they are likely happen within the same trip. It would be an extra step to turn on/off everytime I want to (or not to) use the hold function. With Mercedes implementation, I can just press the brake pedal after the car come to a complete stop, and it will activate the hold feature.
Different car manufacturers will sometime has different implementation of the same features, and it will never be possible to 100% satisfy all customers. It is up to the consumer to choose the right one for them, and sometimes it means they will have to give up something. If the HOLD function (and the ability to toggle it on/off) is very important to you, you should put it into consideration when purchasing the car.
For BMW, its always active when it is on, so that whenever the car come to a stop, the hold function is active. I think this is the reason why there is a on/off switch, as its either always on or always off, and the user has to pick one or the other.
As for Mercedes, the hold function is active by command, meaning you have to activate it every time. You first have to come to a complete stop (with constant pressure on brake pedal), then apply additional pressure to activate the hold function. The method means the hold is only active when you activate it, which I believe is also the reason why Mercedes does not have a way to disable it, as it is not needed.
As for my personal preference, I actually like the method Mercedes uses. There are times where I want to use the hold function, and times where I don't want to, and they are likely happen within the same trip. It would be an extra step to turn on/off everytime I want to (or not to) use the hold function. With Mercedes implementation, I can just press the brake pedal after the car come to a complete stop, and it will activate the hold feature.
Different car manufacturers will sometime has different implementation of the same features, and it will never be possible to 100% satisfy all customers. It is up to the consumer to choose the right one for them, and sometimes it means they will have to give up something. If the HOLD function (and the ability to toggle it on/off) is very important to you, you should put it into consideration when purchasing the car.
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Honda is near the bottom on the reliability list? LMAO! I've never driven a car more reliable than Honda and I've had lots of different cars. That just tells me, in addition to everyone I know who buys Hondas for reliability, that the JD chart is unreliable. Period.
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Honda is near the bottom on the reliability list? LMAO! I've never driven a car more reliable than Honda and I've had lots of different cars. That just tells me, in addition to everyone I know who buys Hondas for reliability, that the JD chart is unreliable. Period.
There are so many known issues with Hondas.
Window motors break. The engines consume oil to the point of destruction, which happened to someone I know.
There is a reason in the summer, all the Hondas have their windows open.
Their air conditioning compressor is broken.
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Yes, and Buick is number 5. I owned a 2010 Buick Enclave, it was nice, but reliable it was not. Traded it after 4 years (when the bumper to bumper warranty expired). I think JD Power's "dependability" score is more of a factory defect score when new, not how reliable a vehicle is after a few years. My Buick had no defects after delivery, but things began to fail after 2 years of ownership (all repaired under warranty).
The chart applies to 2018 model year cars, not 2010
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...lity-study-vds
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The chart applies to 2018 model year cars, not 2010
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...lity-study-vds
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...lity-study-vds
Have you figured out how to adjust your seat yet? (Hint: it's not where Hyundai puts it, alas.
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I never owned a Hyundai.
I've had BMWs mostly.
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There are so many known issues with Hondas.
Window motors break. The engines consume oil to the point of destruction, which happened to someone I know.
There is a reason in the summer, all the Hondas have their windows open.
Their air conditioning compressor is broken.
Window motors break. The engines consume oil to the point of destruction, which happened to someone I know.
There is a reason in the summer, all the Hondas have their windows open.
Their air conditioning compressor is broken.
But for you to say ALL Honda’s have their windows open during summer because their ac compressor is broken just destroyed any hint of credibility you had.
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If the same test is performed on a late model BMW using the AUTO H feature, you will notice none, or nearly none, of the slipping-sliding of the brake pads as the AUTO H feature releases. Two factors are at work. BMW's software integration, giving better timing to release the electric parking brake, combined with inherently faster electric actuation, compared with hydraulic, means the pads are not gobbled up like on the MB HOLD function.
BMW has a superior implementation of AUTO H compared to MB's HOLD.
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"They all devour brake pads voraciously." Yikes, the system on our GLC63 (which has all those functions, must not be working correctly because at 45,000 miles, the brakes still had 75% pad life left. On our GLE580, at 10,000 miles, the brakes look brand new... Guess those systems aren't working correctly...
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@TexAg91 An easy test will illustrate the difference, if you have access to late model vehicles of both makers. Use the MB HOLD function and set it, then release it by pressing the accelerator pedal. Do this again again, a half dozen times. Note the slip-slide of the brakes as the brake hydraulic pressure is released and the driveline torque takes over. A distinct friction feeling can be detected. These are your brake pads being devoured. Similar to other MB systems including Distronic, active lane keeping and base cruise control. They all devour brake pads voraciously.
* Snip*.
* Snip*.
BTW the Hold feature works differently on the current cars, than on your 4 year old one. Have you driven a V167 yet?
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3 out of 4 windows on my CRV are broken.
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@TexAg91 An easy test will illustrate the difference, if you have access to late model vehicles of both makers. Use the MB HOLD function and set it, then release it by pressing the accelerator pedal. Do this again again, a half dozen times. Note the slip-slide of the brakes as the brake hydraulic pressure is released and the driveline torque takes over. A distinct friction feeling can be detected. These are your brake pads being devoured. Similar to other MB systems including Distronic, active lane keeping and base cruise control. They all devour brake pads voraciously.
If the same test is performed on a late model BMW using the AUTO H feature, you will notice none, or nearly none, of the slipping-sliding of the brake pads as the AUTO H feature releases. Two factors are at work. BMW's software integration, giving better timing to release the electric parking brake, combined with inherently faster electric actuation, compared with hydraulic, means the pads are not gobbled up like on the MB HOLD function.
BMW has a superior implementation of AUTO H compared to MB's HOLD.
If the same test is performed on a late model BMW using the AUTO H feature, you will notice none, or nearly none, of the slipping-sliding of the brake pads as the AUTO H feature releases. Two factors are at work. BMW's software integration, giving better timing to release the electric parking brake, combined with inherently faster electric actuation, compared with hydraulic, means the pads are not gobbled up like on the MB HOLD function.
BMW has a superior implementation of AUTO H compared to MB's HOLD.
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JD Power is not ranking the CRV…the CRV is Rated #1-#3 by most reviews. Edmunds ranks the CRV #1 small SUV’s…here’s one review.
Honda CR-V Reliability Rating
Reliability rating based on the cost, frequency, and severity of actual repairs.
Honda CR-V Reliability Rating Breakdown
ExcellentAverage Compact Suv: 4.0 (Above Average)
The Honda CR-V Reliability Rating is 4.5 out of 5.0, which ranks it 2nd out of 26 for compact SUVs. The average annual repair cost is $407 which means it has excellent ownership costs. The severity of repairs is low, and these issues are less frequent than average, so the CR-V is one of the more reliable vehicles on the road.
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There is a difference between ranking cars on features versus ranking on reliability.
Land Rover Defender won Motortrend's SUV of the year.
Yet even Land Rover admits their reliability is an issue.
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Wow, what a complete and utter hyperbole this is. The brake pads sliding for a fraction of a second against the rotors is devouring them, compared to slowing down the car from highway speed to a stop for example? What exactly is your definition of devouring? If any of these systems are devouring your brake pads, then something is seriously wrong with your car.
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Yes, and Buick is number 5. I owned a 2010 Buick Enclave, it was nice, but reliable it was not. Traded it after 4 years (when the bumper to bumper warranty expired). I think JD Power's "dependability" score is more of a factory defect score when new, not how reliable a vehicle is after a few years. My Buick had no defects after delivery, but things began to fail after 2 years of ownership (all repaired under warranty).
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