GLE takes the Crown
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This place is a joke.
Not even a mention of reliability in the article. Reads more like a sales brochure written by someone who knows little about cars other than what you can see from the driver's seat.
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But I disagree that it sounds like a sales brochure. It's just the opinions of a couple guys who said what they think about the vehicles they had at their disposal.
And although their presentation was goofy, it's hard to argue with their opinions. People buy cars for their own reasons.
I've never driven a Genesis, but the X5 certainly isn't a strong GLE competitor, unless you spend $30k more.
And their view of the cheaper Genesis is that it's a cheaper car, which it is, and looks like it too.
I expect the haters to be disappointed with a positive review, but it is what it is. Certainly better than many reviews, like Consumer Reports damning the car because the cupholders were not up to Kia's standards, and favoring Kia's color palette.
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Where do you see 30k difference? When I was shopping for 580, it was ~95k fully loaded vs ~ 97k for X5 M50i, and certainly comparable rice (the typical luxury vs performance convo). I was 60% vs 40% for 580 personally, bit since Mercedes pulled the plug, M50i is it. Similar prices are for GLE 63 vs X5 M Comp. Not sure about base version though (350, etc)
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Where do you see 30k difference? When I was shopping for 580, it was ~95k fully loaded vs ~ 97k for X5 M50i, and certainly comparable rice (the typical luxury vs performance convo). I was 60% vs 40% for 580 personally, bit since Mercedes pulled the plug, M50i is it. Similar prices are for GLE 63 vs X5 M Comp. Not sure about base version though (350, etc)
Where do you see 30k difference? When I was shopping for 580, it was ~95k fully loaded vs ~ 97k for X5 M50i, and certainly comparable rice (the typical luxury vs performance convo). I was 60% vs 40% for 580 personally, bit since Mercedes pulled the plug, M50i is it. Similar prices are for GLE 63 vs X5 M Comp. Not sure about base version though (350, etc)
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Old 63? I'd take the BMW. But first I'd take the Cayenne.
But today, it's all changed with the V167 chassis with new drivetrains and suspensions.
BMW's resting on it's reputation, which it left behind a decade or more ago. Not to mention styling.
Which surprises me to say, having loved them when they were the "Ultimate Driving Machine," but time moves on.
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This place is a joke.
What I find most interesting is the inclusion of a Hyundai against BMW and Mercedes. Have the German brands fallen so far or has the Korean car gotten that much better? Hmmm...
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In essence, the Edmunds guys said the Genesis was clearly a cheaper car, and showed it - but that it was approaching "inclusion" in the luxury market.
To quote the article - "Finally, the Genesis GV80 is our fifth-highest-ranked midsize luxury SUV. The crossover makes a grand debut, impressing us with its overall value among more expensive rivals. We even forgive some of its drawbacks — such as a lack of invigorating performance — because of its lower cost. But the GV80 is a noteworthy entry regardless of its price, boasting ride quality and available technology worthy of luxury buyers."
Their rankings were 1. GLE SUV, 2. GLE Coupe, 3. Cayenne, 4. BMW, 5. Genesis.
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Originally Posted by mikapen View Post
I don't care about V-8's.
Ha ha.
I learned a long time ago that if I had too much power, I'd use it. The throttle hand on my motorcycle had two positions - On and Off. I bought a Trials Bike because it went slow, but it also would go 70mph down the creek-beds. I got rid of it.
Same with a V8, with the power available these days.
I was reminded last weekend at the track, where the "puny" 2,999cc six (439hp) was plenty to handle on a road course, even though I rarely saw 115mph.
I'm more concerned with cornering and braking, and the super/turbocharged three liter six with the Dynamic Package is just the ticket.
AMG V8's are things of beauty with great pipes, but not for me. But, with the V167, they DO finally handle well, so maybe......... (no)
I don't care about V-8's.
Ha ha.
I learned a long time ago that if I had too much power, I'd use it. The throttle hand on my motorcycle had two positions - On and Off. I bought a Trials Bike because it went slow, but it also would go 70mph down the creek-beds. I got rid of it.
Same with a V8, with the power available these days.
I was reminded last weekend at the track, where the "puny" 2,999cc six (439hp) was plenty to handle on a road course, even though I rarely saw 115mph.
I'm more concerned with cornering and braking, and the super/turbocharged three liter six with the Dynamic Package is just the ticket.
AMG V8's are things of beauty with great pipes, but not for me. But, with the V167, they DO finally handle well, so maybe......... (no)
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The Koreans have come a long way but it’s still less car for less money but with better styling.
Styling has dramatically improved since they snapped up European car designers
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No, I wouldn't say the BMW is in either the new 63 OR the 53's ballpark. They are both superior, in what is important to me. If you get the upgraded Dynamic suspension.
Old 63? I'd take the BMW. But first I'd take the Cayenne.
But today, it's all changed with the V167 chassis with new drivetrains and suspensions.
BMW's resting on it's reputation, which it left behind a decade or more ago. Not to mention styling.
Which surprises me to say, having loved them when they were the "Ultimate Driving Machine," but time moves on.
Old 63? I'd take the BMW. But first I'd take the Cayenne.
But today, it's all changed with the V167 chassis with new drivetrains and suspensions.
BMW's resting on it's reputation, which it left behind a decade or more ago. Not to mention styling.
Which surprises me to say, having loved them when they were the "Ultimate Driving Machine," but time moves on.
In terms of power, the X5m can out power all flavors of 53 and 63 but all are fine engines. BMW is more tunable.
I would also select the ZF tranny over the MB 9speed variants at this point.
The tech side goes to MB apart from CarPlay which is miles better on iDrive. Same with some convenience features.
I can’t speak to the suspensions and would have to test drive them but BMW has done a a lot lately to get back to their old drive dynamics.
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Can’t understand the harsh words. I suppose nobody can argue about styling; it’s a personal choice and people are drawn to one or the other.
In terms of power, the X5m can out power all flavors of 53 and 63 but all are fine engines. BMW is more tunable.
I would also select the ZF tranny over the MB 9speed variants at this point.
The tech side goes to MB apart from CarPlay which is miles better on iDrive. Same with some convenience features.
I can’t speak to the suspensions and would have to test drive them but BMW has done a a lot lately to get back to their old drive dynamics.
In terms of power, the X5m can out power all flavors of 53 and 63 but all are fine engines. BMW is more tunable.
I would also select the ZF tranny over the MB 9speed variants at this point.
The tech side goes to MB apart from CarPlay which is miles better on iDrive. Same with some convenience features.
I can’t speak to the suspensions and would have to test drive them but BMW has done a a lot lately to get back to their old drive dynamics.
