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2020 GLS X167 News
As new info arrives about the next-gen 2020 GLS (X167), post your findings here. One tidbit I read was the 4-liter V8 GLS will be rebadged GLS560. The article also mentions the new straight six engine. I heard through the grapevine the new I6 engine was the reason MB is holding off on the X167 until later. We'll know soon enough but a lot of work is already completed on the X167.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ed-123793.html |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7427011)
As new info arrives about the next-gen 2020 GLS (X167), post your findings here. One tidbit I read was the 4-liter V8 GLS will be rebadged GLS560. The article also mentions the new straight six engine. I heard through the grapevine the new I6 engine was the reason MB is holding off on the X167 until later. We'll know soon enough but a lot of work is already completed on the X167.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ed-123793.html |
Originally Posted by drwolf
(Post 7427174)
if you ask me i dont expect them to change it until 2021, i mean if the GL/GLS is a solid seller as it is, why mess up a good thing, but thats just me.
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Originally Posted by skw
(Post 7427319)
They have to stay competitive and also not lose market share. When it comes to full size 3 luxury row suv's, MB is facing competition from BMW, Rolls-Royce, Land Rover, Cadillac, Lexus, Audi, Volvo, and Bentley to name a few. The x166 has been out since MY 2013 and the common person can't tell the difference between a GL and a GLS. If they wait too long, MB will drop off some people's consideration lists and they'll go to another brand.
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Looks like the X167 will be a larger SUV in every dimension:
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7427011)
As new info arrives about the next-gen 2020 GLS (X167), post your findings here. One tidbit I read was the 4-liter V8 GLS will be rebadged GLS560. The article also mentions the new straight six engine. I heard through the grapevine the new I6 engine was the reason MB is holding off on the X167 until later. We'll know soon enough but a lot of work is already completed on the X167.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ed-123793.html M |
Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7428340)
Why would the I6 be the cause of any delay, even if there was one? There isn't one.
M I found several articles about the I6 engine coming to GLS, here is one example: http://www.bmwblog.com/2018/01/25/ne...s-take-bmw-x7/ |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7428553)
Why the negative post? I'm only sharing what I was told by a dealer who was at the meeting in Cabo and has no reason to make something like that up.
I found several articles about the I6 engine coming to GLS, here is one example: http://www.bmwblog.com/2018/01/25/ne...s-take-bmw-x7/ M |
I have no idea about on- or behind schedule, but I know this
The M256 (gas) and OM656 (diesel) I6 engines were designed for hybrids, and on top of the funky electrical precompressor on the gas engine run on a 48V electrical system. So they'll have to adapt the platform for the 'new' generation of 48V engines as wel as the existing line of 12V V8's. Besides being an engineering pain in the neck this is most certainly going to pose som production challenges. This new design is much more than purely aesthetic. I can imagine MB taking their time. The potential for disaster is enormous. Pete |
Some pics of Maybach variant expected at China show are now floating around world wide inter web |
Originally Posted by E3470
(Post 7429494)
Some pics of Maybach variant expected at China show are now floating around world wide inter web https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/m...easer-beijing/ |
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7427011)
As new info arrives about the next-gen 2020 GLS (X167), post your findings here. One tidbit I read was the 4-liter V8 GLS will be rebadged GLS560. The article also mentions the new straight six engine. I heard through the grapevine the new I6 engine was the reason MB is holding off on the X167 until later. We'll know soon enough but a lot of work is already completed on the X167.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ed-123793.html |
Originally Posted by c4004matic
(Post 7432146)
This makes perfect sense and fits the development history. Again the engine choices will mirror the S class, whose new v8 is the new 4.0. This I6 was supposed to be the base engine for the S450 but evidently it wasnt ready on time. If and when it is it will replace the m276 on both vehicles. The I6 predominant advantage is fuel economy, not power, dont expect a faster vehicle. MB would love a 450 that can avg 22 to 25 mpg without sacrificing performance.
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Originally Posted by mercup
(Post 7432347)
If they keep nearly the same HP and Torque numbers as the previous engines...the performance will probably improve since they are moving to their new modular platform which is supposed to include reduced weight hence the better perf.
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Originally Posted by c4004matic
(Post 7432146)
The I6 predominant advantage is fuel economy, not power, dont expect a faster vehicle. MB would love a 450 that can avg 22 to 25 mpg without sacrificing performance.
Me, I think they do it because an inline has fewer moving parts and is there for cheaper to make. But I'm a professional cynic Not the Greek variety. |
Interesting artist renders of the upcoming GLE (by Car and Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...s-what-we-know)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7667513cee.png |
I like it, especially the front end.
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Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7435557)
I like it, especially the front end.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...2278771352.png |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7435902)
And the backend is rendered very nicely as well. Their artist should be working for Mercedes. :)
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Some may hate that front grille, trypohobia :stick:
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The Mercedes-Maybach SUV renderings that I have seen look pretty awful.
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Not sure what renders you are referring to but if you mean this design, it is not a render, this is the actual concept Mercedes is showing in Beijing. And while I wouldn't call it awful, its odd looking and doesn't look like a Mercedes. Not to worry, concept designs generally never make it to production. But if it does, that will make my Maybach buying decision much easier. :)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a5e63dae82.jpg |
Originally Posted by opelrsx
(Post 7436091)
Some may hate that front grille, trypohobia :stick:
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Just because it's a concept doesn't mean it's not a rendering. I used my language appropriately.
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It's not a rendering, it's the real thing. A rendering suggest one's interpretation of, this isn't. It is the real thing.
M |
Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7437537)
It's not a rendering, it's the real thing. A rendering suggest one's interpretation of, this isn't. It is the real thing.
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Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7437567)
A rendering can be a drawing, and that is clearly not an actual vehicle. It is clearly a digital rendering.
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Well, it's a look only a mother could love. That Maybach convertible is magnificent, but this....oh dear. |
Designers have huge imaginations and they get to express them in these concepts. I've seen worst but all-in-all, I agree with you.
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OTOH, we look at these things through the eyes of our own cultures. The 'microwave melted' designs of recent Toyotas en Nissans don't work very well over here, but it is found in many Japanese and Korean desigins (as well as very funkly names, like the Levorg. The LeVorg ? Really ???)
Maybe there's a million Chinese waving fat wads of cash at MB waiting for this. Who knows at this point. Equally, the renders give me no sense of scale. Maybe it's as big as a Kenworth. |
FWIW, press drives of preproduction x7 take place next week. Not sure when BMW will allow those in attendance to share their impressions, but hopefully not long thereafter |
Well fellows, I got my hands on a leaked photo of the next-gen GLS!
Wow, it is much BIGGER than we all expected: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9cfeaf8cf3.png |
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I posted this in the CarPlay thread but it warrants a post here as well since the next gen GLS will also get the new MBUX dash. Well done Mercedes!
That said, I was watching several YouTube videos of the 2019 A Class which will be the first MB to feature the MBUX dash and the built-in NAV looks so good there may little need for CarPlay. We'll know for sure when the A class hits the streets and we get more feedback on how well their new interface works vs CarPlay. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/04...-carplay-mbux/ |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7445650)
Well fellows, I got my hands on a leaked photo of the next-gen GLS!
Wow, it is much BIGGER than we all expected: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9cfeaf8cf3.png |
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7448416)
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Honest question - How reliable is the statement that x167 will not have captain's seats? Even X7 is supposed to offer 2 seating in 2nd row; given the info that's been off, any chance info on seats is erroneous too?
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https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c443f9d2a9.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c7c8c413ee.jpg This is what a prototype due for imminent debut looks like... It doesn't look like this. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d8745ef7f3.jpg |
Both are GLE prototypes but the next-gen GLS will likely look very similar, at least from the front doors forward. As the article suggests, it looks a lot like a larger GLC. I personally like it a lot.
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/20...w-gen-styling/ |
The top one is the GLE and the bottom one is the GLS. Clearly they aren't the same vehicle.
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Nope, both are GLE prototypes. Read the article!
"While at first they may seem identical, a closer look immediately points to them being different specs. The prototype with the twin bars flanking the Mercedes-Benz logo could be an entry-level spec, like an Avantgarde, whereas the other one appears to be wearing an AMG styling package. The latter also has a beefier front bumper with what could be larger air intakes. Overall, since neither car is heavily camouflaged, we can also admire the 2019 GLE’s fresh styling, which is clearly inspired by the automaker’s new take on exterior aesthetics, dubbed Sensual Purity, where you’re basically looking at fewer and fewer design lines." |
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...901e605cba.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...184406c359.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...802b035260.jpg Finally making some headway... These pics were posted on the other forum... |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7450053)
Nope, both are GLE prototypes. Read the article!
"While at first they may seem identical, a closer look immediately points to them being different specs. The prototype with the twin bars flanking the Mercedes-Benz logo could be an entry-level spec, like an Avantgarde, whereas the other one appears to be wearing an AMG styling package. The latter also has a beefier front bumper with what could be larger air intakes. Overall, since neither car is heavily camouflaged, we can also admire the 2019 GLE’s fresh styling, which is clearly inspired by the automaker’s new take on exterior aesthetics, dubbed Sensual Purity, where you’re basically looking at fewer and fewer design lines." M |
Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7450143)
I'm talking about the post by 714. That isn't the GLE in the bottom camo pic, the vehicle is much bigger. They article you're talking about has nothing to do with the bottom pic in his post.
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The latest GLS pics from CarScoops.com reveal a lot that we didn't know before. Some observations:
Best view of the new MBUX dash. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a09fecf970.png New tail light design (similar to the GLC): https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a0c3cfc701.png Best look (so far) of the third row windows: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...17fc8b08da.png The second row headrests (looks different): https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c3eb2bd9b4.png But the third row headrests look the same as the current model: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c7149dc6b4.png The running boards appear to be a molded composite: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a3bc11c3b0.png The door handles appear to have been updated: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...ef02520aeb.png |
Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7450143)
I'm talking about the post by 714. That isn't the GLE in the bottom camo pic, the vehicle is much bigger. They article you're talking about has nothing to do with the bottom pic in his post.
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7450182)
The latest GLS pics from CarScoops.com reveal a lot that we didn't know before. Some observations:
Best view of the new MBUX dash. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a09fecf970.png New tail light design (similar to the GLC): https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a0c3cfc701.png Best look (so far) of the third row windows: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...17fc8b08da.png The second row headrests (looks different): https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c3eb2bd9b4.png But the third row headrests look the same as the current model: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c7149dc6b4.png The running boards appear to be a molded composite: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a3bc11c3b0.png The door handles appear to have been updated: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...ef02520aeb.png |
Originally Posted by 714Merc
(Post 7450186)
Yes, the bottom photo is the body clad GLS. My point is that prototypes don't look this when they are "supposedly" going to hit dealer lots in 6 months...
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The pics only offer a very limited glimpse of the interior. If you're wondering about "Captain's Chairs", we'll have to wait and see. Many on this forum have inquired about Captain's Chairs but so far MB hasn't offered them up as an option.
If there is a GLS Maybach version (as several online articles have suggested), it would certainly have them. Start saving now. :) |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7450209)
The pics only offer a very limited glimpse of the interior. If you're wondering about "Captain's Chairs", we'll have to wait and see. Many on this forum have inquired about Captain's Chairs but so far MB hasn't offered them up as an option.
If there is a GLS Maybach version (as several online articles have suggested), it would certainly have them. Start saving now. :) |
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...da52477849.jpg
Best view of greenhouse due to reflection. |
You can see enough of the new shape to see it is completely different then the X166. I can’t wait to see the finished product, looks very promising. |
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9924491779.jpg
I'm excited about the new dashboard but must they add the plastic extensions on the fenders?? Since they put it on the GLC I'm afraid they will put them on the GLS and GLE as well. I think I'll hang on to my GLS for a while! |
The other prototype has painted fender trim. Wait for the final release to make any judgments on the GLE or GLS. BTW, both red prototypes are GLE's.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c7c8c413ee.jpg |
I'm glad the mirrors are changing, its time.
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Carscoops posted an updated article about the next-gen GLE along with a render of what the AMG might look like:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...53beaa22c0.jpg https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/20...-tech-engines/ |
Originally Posted by 714Merc
(Post 7450223)
Yeah, that would be a deal killer for me. Love the "captain's chairs" config on my Escalade; could not go back to bench 2nd row. Also, could not really afford to get Maybach version... If MB wants to vaunt this new GLS as the luxury equivalent of a S-Class, they really need to step up and offer captains seats in the 2nd row imo...
they also said the next GLE looks like it will offer a garbage third row for occasional use. that also makes sense in light of q7's and next gen x5 likely offering it, as well |
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...35f95ef6f0.jpg
Originally Posted by E3470
(Post 7467965)
someone in another forum claims the GM of his dealership has seen the new GLS (I'm not sure I believe that) and that it was communicated then that it will offer captains second row. i do believe it will be an option given that it was considered for current gen refresh 2+ years ago and the x7 will offer it.
they also said the next GLE looks like it will offer a garbage third row for occasional use. that also makes sense in light of q7's and next gen x5 likely offering it, as well GLE 3rd row may be in response to Lexus RX350L? Edit: Escalade may still get my money though; check out the beast-like dimensions for the next GM full size SUV. |
I have captain's chairs with a center console in my R350 BlueTEC. I hate them. My dog hates them.
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Originally Posted by 714Merc
(Post 7468039)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...35f95ef6f0.jpg
Fingers crossed. GLE 3rd row may be in response to Lexus RX350L? Edit: Escalade may still get my money though; check out the beast-like dimensions for the next GM full size SUV. re escalade, i personally really like them, but man, currently they are an inefficient use of space. you need to get the extended wheelbase to have a third row comparable to gls... navigator on the other hand offers the same third row, whether you go extended or normal length. |
Originally Posted by E3470
(Post 7468190)
re escalade, i personally really like them, but man, currently they are an inefficient use of space. you need to get the extended wheelbase to have a third row comparable to gls... navigator on the other hand offers the same third row, whether you go extended or normal length. |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7435902)
And the backend is rendered very nicely as well. Their artist should be working for Mercedes. :)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...2278771352.png |
New spy video of the upcoming GLE W167. Hopefully we'll soon get a better look at the upcoming X167 GLS.
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It's been quiet. Any additional sightings or news?
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I haven't seen anything new on the GLS but Motor1.com posted a spy pic of the upcoming GLE interior (I rotated the photo horizontally since it was of a right-hand drive mule):
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6dbd77b32c.jpg |
Looks like a winner! |
The thing is...when they changed the nomenclature from GL to GLS, they have not since updated/renovated the car itself in the image of S class.
The CLS has the same features/appointments as the S. The GLE (not remodeled yet) is the SUV equivalent of the previous E class until next year when it is remodeled in the image of the current E class. Get it? So when they finally remodel the GLS in the image of the S class next year, I wonder how much they will pull from the S class to put into the GLS. If they do to the GLS what they do with the CLS/S then this thing will be a freakin' luxury barge. To do a justice, the X167 GLS, to have the "S" name, should have the level of features and design as the S class. It shouldn't just be a longer wheelbase GLE. But then again, they probably want you to buy this rumored Maybach GLS to have that, which is dumb. I don't know what they're going to do with the X167 but I can't wait to see. If you guys could make a wishlist of what you wanted in the X167 what would you have? I think it's only right (and about damn time) that it has:
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Originally Posted by Senatov
(Post 7495967)
The thing is...when they changed the nomenclature from GL to GLS, they have not since updated/renovated the car itself in the image of S class.
The CLS has the same features/appointments as the S. The GLE (not remodeled yet) is the SUV equivalent of the previous E class until next year when it is remodeled in the image of the current E class. Get it? So when they finally remodel the GLS in the image of the S class next year, I wonder how much they will pull from the S class to put into the GLS. If they do to the GLS what they do with the CLS/S then this thing will be a freakin' luxury barge. To do a justice, the X167 GLS, to have the "S" name, should have the level of features and design as the S class. It shouldn't just be a longer wheelbase GLE. But then again, they probably want you to buy this rumored Maybach GLS to have that, which is dumb. I don't know what they're going to do with the X167 but I can't wait to see. If you guys could make a wishlist of what you wanted in the X167 what would you have? I think it's only right (and about damn time) that it has:
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Originally Posted by Strafzettel
(Post 7495979)
You should drive the GLS before you say it's just a longer wheelbase GLE ;-)
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Originally Posted by Senatov
(Post 7495987)
I’ve owned both. I traded in my GLE for a GLS. If you get inside it really just is a longer GLE with a third row, plus some extras. It should have more in common with the S than it does. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. |
Originally Posted by Senatov
(Post 7495987)
I’ve owned both. I traded in my GLE for a GLS. If you get inside it really just is a longer GLE with a third row, plus some extras. It should have more in common with the S than it does. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. |
Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7496000)
No it isn't. I drove the GLE and there's no comparison to my GLS in terms of ride.
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7496022)
I agree, I had a GLE as a loaner last month and it feels lighter and more nimble on the road. My GLS550 feels much more substantial and heavier. I actually liked the ride in the GLE a lot. I can see why they sell so many. But you give up the 3rd row and for some buyers, that makes all the difference.
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While we wait for the GLS (X167), Motor1.com posted the following video of the GLE (W167). The dashboard is partially revealed: https://motor1.com/news/251551/2019-...dashboard-spy/
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This was posted on the Vance web site: https://mbusi.com/visitorcenter/vc-plant-tours
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a39a0bd174.jpg |
New GLE must be real close |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7496941)
While we wait for the GLS (X167), Motor1.com posted the following video of the GLE (W167). The dashboard is partially revealed: https://motor1.com/news/251551/2019-...dashboard-spy/
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=drUwGK2-fjE |
Looks like Mercedes plans to go with four square vents across their line up. Here's a spy shot of the 2022 S Class with four square vents. The split screens is an interesting change (still cannot see the screen for the center console). I wondered how long they would stick with the dual 12.3" displays under a single pane of glass.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c45086a34d.jpg |
Latest sighting, check out those headlights:
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From a different angle:
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The shape of the third-row window without the camo would look like this:
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d4784a0059.png |
While we wait for new info on the X167 GLS, a prototype GLE was test driven in Alabama. Magic Body Control currently available only on the S Class will be an option on the 2020 GLE and hopefully the next-gen GLS.
Check out the article: https://www.autoblog.com/2018/08/02/...totype-review/ https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7477f7601a.jpg |
So will MBUX be in the next generation of GLS? And watching the video of how the MBUX operated I have a question. What happen if you have a girlfriend or Wife or daughter named Mercedes and when you say hey Mercedes would activated the system even thou you maybe calling your girlfriend/wife/ or daughter?
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https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...07e45a9e83.jpg
Friend of mine spotted one in Denver last weekend |
Based on the tailpipes, it's an AMG 63. Good catch.
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interestingly, gls sales crushed thus far this year. trending down 40% year over year compared to 2017. annualized it's a number of cars sold last seen in 2010 or so.
this gen has sold looks like say 28k/year on average since introduction...annualized sales this year projected to be about 18-19k. a year over year drop of 40% from last year, which was the best gl series sales ever at 32k. not sure who's doing the lunch eating but it's not the q7. yoy trending down slightly for that vehicle (down roughly 5-6% year over annualized). cadillac is puking escalades with incentives to combat the navigator but they also seem to be trending down, yoy, at about 5-6%... volvo xc90 looks like it's trending up, slightly...navigator sales way up (80%) but from a low number (10k in 2017 to on pace for 18 in 2018), maybe some folks went there. range rover basically unchanged, yoy. maybe some holdouts looking at the x7 from bmw? i know i'm one of em... keeping my 2017 550 regardless, but looking to replace another vehicle |
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While we can't see the center console (yet), I wonder if the GLS will also have those handle bars seen on the upcoming GLE. Those are a bit of a head-scratcher for me. Otherwise it looks identical to the GLE (based on what it visible).
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7522243)
While we can't see the center console (yet), I wonder if the GLS will also have those handle bars seen on the upcoming GLE. Those are a bit of a head-scratcher for me. Otherwise it looks identical to the GLE (based on what it visible).
In that case: - Captain’s chairs in the 2nd row - Standard leather - Standard LEDs - Executive rear seat with Blu-Ray - Magic Sky Control - Burmester 3D - Night View Assist |
Originally Posted by Senatov
(Post 7522371)
This is the first GLS remodel since the reclassification of the cars, when the GL became part of the “S” line. So I’m wondering to what extent the X167 will resemble the S class in feature offerings and design. Since the CLS offers almost everything that the S does as a coupe, shouldn’t the GLS be an SUV rendition of the S sedan? In that case: - Captain’s chairs in the 2nd row - Standard leather - Standard LEDs - Executive rear seat with Blu-Ray - Magic Sky Control - Burmester 3D - Night View Assist M |
Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7522526)
I would bet it will have all this and more. Mercedes knows they can't afford to mess this up with SUV sales being everything now. The new trick suspension on the new GLE will definitely be on the GLS also and should provide a ride equal or better than the current S-Class. I expect the interior to be a knock out.
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Originally Posted by Senatov
(Post 7522591)
The bigger question is how much Mercedes is going to charge for it. In the USA, a base GLS is $69,550. A base S is over $20,000 more at $89,900. I can’t imagine Mercedes (or any other car company) jacking up the price of a car model $20,000 (~30%) year over year. On the other hand, if they do a proper remodel and make it as luxurious as the S without wildly blowing up the price, you would basically be getting an S550 SUV for $20k less. It’s another disparity when they went from the GL to the GLS that I’m curious as to how they will resolve value-wise. |
From what can be seen in the spy photo above, I don't expect the GLS dash will look much different (if at all) from the 2020 GLE dash revealed in these spy photos posted yesterday:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...49fac7d935.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d6dc786443.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...875c1206ea.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...097c34f383.jpg |
And for the front, I think it will feature a Panamericana grille borrowed from other AMG models.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d825665008.jpg
Originally Posted by mefferso
(Post 7520461)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...07e45a9e83.jpg
Friend of mine spotted one in Denver last weekend |
The Porsche Cayenne had those raised center grab handles when it was debuted over a decade ago. Plus they got in the way when reaching for buttons/knobs on the console. Not a good move, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Senatov
(Post 7522591)
The bigger question is how much Mercedes is going to charge for it. In the USA, a base GLS is $69,550. A base S is over $20,000 more at $89,900. I can’t imagine Mercedes (or any other car company) jacking up the price of a car model $20,000 (~30%) year over year. On the other hand, if they do a proper remodel and make it as luxurious as the S without wildly blowing up the price, you would basically be getting an S550 SUV for $20k less. It’s another disparity when they went from the GL to the GLS that I’m curious as to how they will resolve value-wise. |
Originally Posted by mefferso
(Post 7526402)
The Lincoln Navigator jumped $8500 when it changed in 2018.
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The price will go up, no doubt. The question is, how much?
I was checking this video of the new S63. I hope the GLS gets some of these goodies! This is some machine - |
https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/f..._id183723.aspx
Above the E-Class A-T but below the two generations of the G-Class in terms of price sits the GLS-Class. Now approaching the end of its life cycle, production of the second generation of this large SUV commenced at Mercedes-Benz's US plant in June 2012. Originally called GL-Class, the model name changed to coincide with a facelift. The more powerful and restyled GLS-Class premiered at November 2015's LA auto show. The addition of the S is meant to link this model to another large, high-priced model: the S-Class. The GLS-Class is more or less a long wheelbase version of the GLE-Class, as was the first generation model. Its main market is the USA. Competitors there include the Range Rover, Cadillac Escalade, Infiniti QX80, Audi Q7, Lexus LX and Lincoln Navigator. The next generation GLS-Class is said to be codenamed X167. It will be another model for MHA. There should also be an extended wheelbase body for a GLS-Class L and a high-priced Mercedes-Maybach variant (see this feature). |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7533680)
https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/f..._id183723.aspx
Above the E-Class A-T but below the two generations of the G-Class in terms of price sits the GLS-Class. Now approaching the end of its life cycle, production of the second generation of this large SUV commenced at Mercedes-Benz's US plant in June 2012. Originally called GL-Class, the model name changed to coincide with a facelift. The more powerful and restyled GLS-Class premiered at November 2015's LA auto show. The addition of the S is meant to link this model to another large, high-priced model: the S-Class. The GLS-Class is more or less a long wheelbase version of the GLE-Class, as was the first generation model. Its main market is the USA. Competitors there include the Range Rover, Cadillac Escalade, Infiniti QX80, Audi Q7, Lexus LX and Lincoln Navigator. The next generation GLS-Class is said to be codenamed X167. It will be another model for MHA. There should also be an extended wheelbase body for a GLS-Class L and a high-priced Mercedes-Maybach variant (see this feature). |
Originally Posted by Senatov
(Post 7533702)
I don’t get it. So you’re saying the 2020 GLS X167 will just be yet another, albeit remodeled, GLE? If the CLS is a different form factor S, why can’t the GLS be a proper S SUV? |
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I'm thinking the new GLS interior will be nearly identical to the new GLE shown in the video above, handle bars and all. I know early on we heard that MB wanted to separate the GLS from the GLE and move it closer to the S Class but I'm thinking that may not be the case now. Looks like the formula followed in the past is still being used this time around. We'll know for sure in a few more months.
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7534221)
I'm thinking the new GLS interior will be nearly identical to the new GLE shown in the video above, handle bars and all. I know early on we heard that MB wanted to separate the GLS from the GLE and move it closer to the S Class but I'm thinking that may not be the case now. Looks like the formula followed in the past is still being used this time around. We'll know for sure in a few more months.
my current gen interior is functional but not much to look at, which is totally fine for me. I’m more interested in packing it full of stuff and people and driving it hard under all weather conditions. And there is currently no vehicle that can do all those things as well. |
This thing needs to get some bigger fenders. Too feminine looking.
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MB must be putting the finishing touches on the new GLS because there has been nothing new reported for about month. If you haven't yet seen the reveal of the GLE in Paris, watch it. I will give you a good idea of the upcoming GLS:
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7568943)
MB must be putting the finishing touches on the new GLS because there has been nothing new reported for about month. If you haven't yet seen the reveal of the GLE in Paris, watch it. I will give you a good idea of the upcoming GLS:
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Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7568991)
I am not sure I agree that it will give us a good idea of how the GLS will look. They have never particularly resembled each other, so there is little reason to think that they will in the upcoming generation. If they do resemble each other, I am not sure that is a good thing. :shakehead
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7568943)
MB must be putting the finishing touches on the new GLS because there has been nothing new reported for about month. If you haven't yet seen the reveal of the GLE in Paris, watch it. I will give you a good idea of the upcoming GLS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rDALqmTWg4 It's going to be 7 years until they release the next gen, right? My GLS would be 8 years old then, maybe I'll hang on to mine and hope for the next gen! |
Originally Posted by Strafzettel
(Post 7569323)
It's going to be 7 years until they release the next gen, right? My GLS would be 8 years old then, maybe I'll hang on to mine and hope for the next gen!
As for the discussions about the GLS looking different than the GLE, I was of course referring to the dash board and the new MBUX. I also expect the seats and head rests will be nearly identical. Both models tend to mimic each other in these areas. |
Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7568991)
I am not sure I agree that it will give us a good idea of how the GLS will look. They have never particularly resembled each other, so there is little reason to think that they will in the upcoming generation. If they do resemble each other, I am not sure that is a good thing. :shakehead
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Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7569640)
The GL/GLS keeps getting more feminine with each body. Need to be more aggressive.
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7571678)
You could always get yourself a new Lexus RX, its aggressive (aggressively ugly). Yet they are showing up all over the roads. Personally (and I've owned 3 GL/GLS's), I like the new design of the GLE and I expect the GLS will look very similar. It's all subjective anyway and looks are in the eye of the beholder.
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Most likely the new GLS will have the same MBUX dash as the new GLE:
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Well, hallelujah, thank goodness they got rid of that stuck on top screen. I’m so used to the integrated look on mine and it'll be nice to go to something like this from where I’m at . Sometimes I think Mercedes goes backwards when they started sticking these top mounted screens in the past few years, and their older models looked much more ergonomic. https://i.postimg.cc/yxfsST9Y/IMG-7561.jpg |
Well, I see this morning on the MBUSA Configurator, that the MY19 GLS450 and 550 on available ...
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
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Thanks. I'm so sick of this camo on the vehicle. Get it off, lol. Luckily some nice 5 stars.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...1d8aec071e.jpg |
Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7578432)
Thanks. I'm so sick of this camo on the vehicle. Get it off, lol. Luckily some nice 5 stars.
Third Row: 1.7" less legroom than GLS, 2.3" less head room, and 2.5" less shoulder room. One other thing they got very wrong with this vehicle: With captain's chairs configured, the space is too narrow to walk between the second row to the third. Further, the way the captain's electrically move to allow access to the third row is incompatible with kids' car seats and most boosters. The chairs lift up/tilt forward (good) and the back rest folds forward, as well (bad), so you just can't have car seats in that second row, I guess? Really bizarre. Maybe there's a pressure sensor that limits the travel of the back of the captains chair if it sense there is a car seat in it. The width of the vehicle is 5" less than the GLS. If next gen GLS is similar size to now, I expect the interior space to be superior. Mercedes has never not gotten this vehicle right. |
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Originally Posted by c4004matic
(Post 7432146)
This makes perfect sense and fits the development history. Again the engine choices will mirror the S class, whose new v8 is the new 4.0. This I6 was supposed to be the base engine for the S450 but evidently it wasnt ready on time. If and when it is it will replace the m276 on both vehicles. The I6 predominant advantage is fuel economy, not power, dont expect a faster vehicle. MB would love a 450 that can avg 22 to 25 mpg without sacrificing performance.
It's all in the driving...............and the driver........... |
Originally Posted by Peter R.
(Post 7433939)
MB themselves think differently. They have stated the main advantage for them is that the cat can be put a lot closer to the engine, thus improving eficiency and a cleaner engine.
Me, I think they do it because an inline has fewer moving parts and is there for cheaper to make. But I'm a professional cynic Not the Greek variety. |
Originally Posted by Mitch Alsup
(Post 7579501)
I drove from Austin Tx to Monterey Ca and back in April in my '17 GLS 450. I was averaging 28MPG and had a few days at 29MPG.
It's all in the driving...............and the driver........... |
Originally Posted by Strafzettel
(Post 7579530)
At what speed did you get 29mpg?? I drove from Chicago to Toronto and back and I couldn't get more than 23 mpg going 75
Last week I drove out to Ft Davis averaging 70 MPH over 5:45 driving time and still got 23 MPG. {mixed speeds, Texas highways 70-75, Interstate 80-85} Over 14,000 miles the long term average MPG is 21.2; and this is my daily driver. |
MO to PA in August. For the power that the GLS550 has I really don't complain about this mileage.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...8e790829fb.jpg |
Originally Posted by GeneralToner
(Post 7579753)
MO to PA in August. For the power that the GLS550 has I really don't complain about this mileage.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...8e790829fb.jpg around town i get an atrocious figure. 13 or so but i don't hold back |
Just for what's it's worth, in the S class.... got 26 mpg with AC on driving to Boston this summer. This is a HEAVY vehicle but I guess much more aerodynamic than the GL.
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The 2020 GLS will have some more competition with the new BMW X7, have a look:
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Very cool. Looks like the the GL and Volvo suv had a baby...
https://www.bigboytoyz.com/products/...9-White--6.jpg |
The first picture is downhill from Flagstaff to Kingman
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...b62b2bdd1b.jpg The second image is from Flagstaff to Bakersfield https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...934bd10a5f.jpg Nearly 500 miles and nearly 30 MPG. These things can be nearly an economy car if you know how to drive them correctly. |
I was browsing through the ordering and pricing guides for the X7. Remote start is a $300 option or part of the premium pkg. Cold weather pkg includes 5 zone climate control, heated front and rear seats, steering wheel, and armrests. Second row captain chairs are a $600 option and requires also ordering the upgraded leather ($1450). You would think the GLS would have to now have this as well. May be a deal breaker for some people.
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Originally Posted by skw
(Post 7581400)
I was browsing through the ordering and pricing guides for the X7. Remote start is a $300 option or part of the premium pkg. Cold weather pkg includes 5 zone climate control, heated front and rear seats, steering wheel, and armrests. Second row captain chairs are a $600 option and requires also ordering the upgraded leather ($1450). You would think the GLS would have to now have this as well. May be a deal breaker for some people.
But, that Volvo SUV is pretty cool: |
Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7581410)
Lol, don't count on it. Mercedes is known for doing dumb things forever.
But, that Volvo SUV is pretty cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6G69CsBI4Y Did you hear that 4 cylinder engine noise when he pushed it? |
I think the X7 is deeply unattractive.
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With the reveal of the new GLE out of the way, we could begin hearing (and seeing) more about the next-gen GLS in the coming weeks and months. I recall talk of the new GLS possibly showing up at the LA Auto Show which starts Nov 30th but that seems less likely since we haven't seen anything new in a few months. I hope the designers did their very best because the competition is ramping up from all corners.
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Hey Joe, Are you trading up when the new GLS arrives? |
My wife and I are considering a GLE so we may end up ordering it instead. Both of our children married in the past 2 years so the smaller (more fuel efficient) GLE make more sense for our needs. How about you?
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My wife and I are undecided right now. We are waiting to see the GLS. I like the GLE but also like the E53 so, I'm all over the map right now. :)
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Why not one of each. :)
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7581900)
Why not one of each. :)
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Originally Posted by E3470
(Post 7578791)
X7 vs Current GLS
The width of the vehicle is 5" less than the GLS. If next gen GLS is similar size to now, I expect the interior space to be superior. Mercedes has never not gotten this vehicle right. I know we all compare these cars to the Navigator, but once the aviator comes out, I think it will be more comparable to that. |
Originally Posted by Ah_gl450
(Post 7586591)
if you exclude the mirror width from both cars, the GLS is 2” less than the X7. 76.1” vs 78.1” respectively. GLS is just a long wheelbase GLE, with all of the extra room for behind the 3rd row. BMW has done the same with the X7 (at least on paper). I do think the GLS could be wider. I know we all compare these cars to the Navigator, but once the aviator comes out, I think it will be more comparable to that. and |
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Originally Posted by Ah_gl450
(Post 7586591)
if you exclude the mirror width from both cars, the GLS is 2” less than the X7. 76.1” vs 78.1” respectively. GLS is just a long wheelbase GLE, with all of the extra room for behind the 3rd row. BMW has done the same with the X7 (at least on paper). I do think the GLS could be wider. I know we all compare these cars to the Navigator, but once the aviator comes out, I think it will be more comparable to that. Aviator looks nice! Might have a decent third row too. As for x7, vehicle is 2” wider than GLS but has the same shoulder room in the second row and 2.5” less in the third. Bewildering to me |
Dealer called me yesterday because we only have 5 payments left on our GL450 lease. Wants me to come down to the dealer to talk about a new MB, as MB will waive our remaining payments.
So the question remains. When will the new revised GLS actually show up on dealer lots? The X7 was a contender on paper, but not since the wife has seen the pics. Damn, it's ugly. |
Originally Posted by Axxlrod
(Post 7591400)
Dealer called me yesterday because we only have 5 payments left on our GL450 lease. Wants me to come down to the dealer to talk about a new MB, as MB will waive our remaining payments.
So the question remains. When will the new revised GLS actually show up on dealer lots? The X7 was a contender on paper, but not since the wife has seen the pics. Damn, it's ugly. |
It’s looking more like the new GLS may not arrive until later next year. |
I had 8 months left on my 2017 GLS 450 lease. Don't like the way the X7 looks and the third row seat leg room is a couple inches less than that of the current GLS. Traded my white 2017 last week for a black 2019 with appearance, lighting and three zone climate....coming from the s**t halogen lights, the LEDs look amazing...I'll drive this one 2 to 3 years...by that time the hype of the 2020 X167 will be diminished and they would have ironed out some of the bugs associated with any new redesign. It made sense for me to make this move now and wait a couple years before going for the redesign.
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Mercedes-Maybach GLS Spied For The First Time"If the reports are accurate, the Mercedes-Maybach GLS will debut as early as the end of this month during the Los Angeles Auto Show. Autocar has it on good authority we are only a few weeks away from the SUV’s debut, and presumably, the regular versions are going to be exhibited in California as well."https://www.motor1.com/news/274360/m...ls-spy-photos/ https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6bdbbd90e2.png |
So what does the INSIDE look like?
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Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7593402)
Would be cool if it actually looked like this
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Originally Posted by Mitch Alsup
(Post 7593347)
So what does the INSIDE look like?
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7593295)
Mercedes-Maybach GLS Spied For The First Time"If the reports are accurate, the Mercedes-Maybach GLS will debut as early as the end of this month during the Los Angeles Auto Show. Autocar has it on good authority we are only a few weeks away from the SUV’s debut, and presumably, the regular versions are going to be exhibited in California as well."https://www.motor1.com/news/274360/m...ls-spy-photos/ https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6bdbbd90e2.png |
BMW is debuting the X7 at the LA show in a few weeks. I doubt MB debuts the new GLS there. I doubt they want to share the spotlight.
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From C-NET Road/Show:
Mercedes-Benz is swan-diving into luxury's deepest waters by unveiling the Mercedes-Maybach GLS SUV in LA. Mercedes is never one to be left out of a luxury segment. The Mercedes-Maybach GLS will rise to the occasion of providing German competition to the likes of the Bentley Bentayga and Rolls-Royce Cullinan.https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...-show-preview/ |
Originally Posted by Axxlrod
(Post 7596767)
BMW is debuting the X7 at the LA show in a few weeks. I doubt MB debuts the new GLS there. I doubt they want to share the spotlight.
Looks that way to me at least. I don't see production version reaching customers til Spring 2020 |
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I doubt it will debut at the la auto show. There isnt any press release for it so far.
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Finally a great looking wheel. You can't go wrong with a classic 5 star wheel. Never ages.
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/j1...-spy-photo.jpg |
Those are the AMG wheels. They've been available for years on the current model if you choose the AMG pkg for the 550 or the AMG GLS63.
I really wish the AMG pkg would be available on the GLS450 though. |
Originally Posted by michaelleongcl
(Post 7614176)
I doubt it will debut at the la auto show. There isnt any press release for it so far.
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7611670)
From C-NET Road/Show:Mercedes-Benz is swan-diving into luxury's deepest waters by unveiling the Mercedes-Maybach GLS SUV in LA. Mercedes is never one to be left out of a luxury segment. The Mercedes-Maybach GLS will rise to the occasion of providing German competition to the likes of the Bentley Bentayga and Rolls-Royce Cullinan.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...-show-preview/ I don't know where c-net and other news outlets get their info but the GLS is a no-show at LA. However, the 2020 GLE is on display. If you haven't seen it yet, the front seating area and dash of the upcoming GLS should look nearly identical to the GLE. Check out this video from the show: |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7617177)
I don't know where c-net and other news outlets get their info but the GLS is a no-show at LA. However, the 2020 GLE is on display. If you haven't seen it yet, the front seating area and dash of the upcoming GLS should look nearly identical to the GLE. Check out this video from the show:
2020 GLE at LA Auto Show |
Mercedes is really missing the boat not showing this at the LA autoshow.
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This is what I am told today - production will start July - release end-Sept - interestingly I am told today "US standard" will be 2nd row Captain's Chairs - with 2nd row bench as a option..
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Originally Posted by fabbrisd1
(Post 7621210)
This is what I am told today - production will start July - release end-Sept - interestingly I am told today "US standard" will be 2nd row Captain's Chairs - with 2nd row bench as a option..
i would be willing to bet that the interior space is far better resolved than the x7. I expect more space between captains, more legroom second row, more everything third row gle has 3” more in second row than x7, current gls has 1.5” more in third row (along with 2” more shoulder and head room). cant wait to hear more |
Originally Posted by E3470
(Post 7534951)
i would take as is in the new gls. I love it. my current gen interior is functional but not much to look at, which is totally fine for me. I’m more interested in packing it full of stuff and people and driving it hard under all weather conditions. And there is currently no vehicle that can do all those things as well. |
Originally Posted by fabbrisd1
(Post 7621210)
This is what I am told today - production will start July - release end-Sept - interestingly I am told today "US standard" will be 2nd row Captain's Chairs - with 2nd row bench as a option..
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Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7623899)
What about the 550 kit being available for the 450 like our Europe counterparts?
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anyone knows how is the non v8 560 going to co-exist with the 53AMG ?
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"...Mercedes-Benz which could choose New York to reveal its new GLS-Class SUV. "
https://www.motor1.com/news/297967/a...uts-2019-nyas/ |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7632800)
"...Mercedes-Benz which could choose New York to reveal its new GLS-Class SUV. "
https://www.motor1.com/news/297967/a...uts-2019-nyas/ |
Originally Posted by michaelleongcl
(Post 7627578)
anyone knows how is the non v8 560 going to co-exist with the 53AMG ?
I imagine the GLS560 will just be a non-AMG version of the 4.0 litre V8, same engine as the S560. If anyone can shine any more light on this please do |
I agree with that. They might decide to market a middle grade GLS500 with the 429/435hp I6 from the European S500 as a step in between the GLS450 and GLS560. A GLS53 really makes no sense at this size, it won't be sporty enough IMO.
I can or would like the see: GLS450 - 362hp I6 GLS500 - 429hp GLS560 - 463hp V8 GLS63 - 630hp. M |
Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7634274)
I agree with that. They might decide to market a middle grade GLS500 with the 429/435hp I6 from the European S500 as a step in between the GLS450 and GLS560. A GLS53 really makes no sense at this size, it won't be sporty enough IMO.
I can or would like the see: GLS450 - 362hp I6 GLS500 - 429hp GLS560 - 463hp V8 GLS63 - 630hp. M Yeah, that's also a possibility I guess. We'll just have to wait & see. I am a little curious as to what happened to the diesel 4.0 litre V8 GL450 CDI that was offered here during the last couple of years of the X164 GL-Class though? It was a little odd that V8 diesel engine appeared for only a couple of years, then didn't make it into the newer X166 GL/GLS, or any of MB's other cars that I am aware of. To me it seemed strange MB would spend all that money on developing a V8 diesel, then drop it after only a couple of years (here's an example of a few currently for sale here (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/mer...srcx=makemodel). As far as I'm aware the diesel V8 X164 GL450 CDI was not offered in the USA though, but it was here in Australia (it didn't sell very well though as you rarely see one on the road), and some other world markets too, but I'm not sure exactly where. A X164 GL450 in the USA was still powered by a smaller petrol V8, and sat under the GL550 in the GL-Class range. We rented a GL450 for a week in late 2011 to drive from LA to Grand Canyon then Vegas and back to LA. We expected it to be diesel when we arrived at Hertz's office at LAX but was very surprised to see it was petrol. It was a great vehicle to soak up all those miles in and cart around all of our luggage though. I have also now noticed the newer X166 GLS450 is no longer a V8 but a twin-turbo V6, so what also happened to that smaller V8 that was in the X164 GL450? We don't have the X166 GLS450 here in Australia, only the GLS350d, the GLS500 (which I have) and the GLS63 with the diesel 350d being the one you see on the road the most, which appears to be consistent with all other MB SUVs that sell here that are mostly all diesel too (ie. GLC250d/350d or GLE250d/350d). So in saying all of this I'm not too bothered what engines MB put into the new X167 GLS as I don't plan on buying one. My current X166 2017 GLS500 is just too big for us, and I only bought it because I was updating my 2013 ML500 and still wanted the non-AMG V8 that was no longer available in the GLE-Class. I would love to swap back into a new GLE when the V167 arrives next year, but I would like a non-AMG V8 again (GLE560?) but it appears there's not going to be one available which is extremely disappointing. I really just want a luxury SUV with a V8 (either petrol or diesel) but I'm not a fan of the AMG models as they're too loud & aggressive for our requirements, plus they're extremely pricey compared to the non-AMG V8s. A new GLS63 is currently around $243k drive-away here! Anyway, I'm babbling on again ... Seasons Greetings, and as always Happy & Safe motoring fellow MB lovers! |
Originally Posted by AussieBenzLover
(Post 7634327)
Thanks Germancar1.
Yeah, that's also a possibility I guess. We'll just have to wait & see. I am a little curious as to what happened to the diesel 4.0 litre V8 GL450 CDI that was offered here during the last couple of years of the X164 GL-Class though? It was a little odd that V8 diesel engine appeared for only a couple of years, then didn't make it into the newer X166 GL/GLS, or any of MB's other cars that I am aware of. To me it seemed strange MB would spend all that money on developing a V8 diesel, then drop it after only a couple of years (here's an nice low mileage example of one that's currently for sale here so you can see what I'm referring to - www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Mercedes-Benz-GL450-CDI-2012/OAG-AD-16261773/?Cr=5). As far as I'm aware the diesel V8 X164 GL450 CDI was not offered in the USA though, but it was here in Australia (it didn't sell very well though as you rarely see one on the road), and some other world markets too, but I'm not sure exactly where. A X164 GL450 in the USA was still powered by a smaller petrol V8, and sat under the GL550 in the GL-Class range. We rented a GL450 for a week in late 2011 to drive from LA to Grand Canyon then Vegas and back to LA. We expected it to be diesel when we arrived at Hertz's office at LAX but was very surprised to see it was petrol. It was a great vehicle to soak up all those miles in and cart around all of our luggage though. I have also now noticed the newer X166 GLS450 is no longer a V8 but a twin-turbo V6, so what also happened to that smaller V8 that was in the X164 GL450? We don't have the X166 GLS450 here in Australia, only the GLS350d, the GLS500 (which I have) and the GLS63 with the diesel 350d being the one you see on the road the most, which appears to be consistent with all other MB SUVs that sell here that are mostly all diesel (ie. GLC250d/350d or GLE250d/350d). So in saying all of this I'm not too bothered what engines MB put into the new X167 GLS as I don't plan on buying one. My current X166 2017 GLS500 is just too big for us, and I only bought it because I was updating my 2013 ML500 and still wanted the non-AMG V8 that was no longer available in the GLE-Class. I would love to swap back into a new GLE when the V167 arrives next year, but I would like a non-AMG V8 again (GLE560?) but it appears there's not going to be one available which is extremely disappointing. I really just want a luxury SUV with a V8 (either petrol or diesel) but I'm not a fan of the AMG models as they're too loud & aggressive for our requirements, plus they're extremely pricey compared to the non-AMG V8s. A new GLS63 is currently around $243k drive-away here! (www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Mercedes-Benz-GLS63-2018/SHRM-AD-5887396/?Cr=0). Anyway, I'm babbling on again ... Seasons Greetings, and as always Happy & Safe motoring fellow MB lovers! |
I’m pretty sure you’ll see the 450, 560 and 63. I just don’t no think I can see a 53 especially if they are trying to make this the “S class “ of SUV’s and just because of the size of the vehicle. I think most amg buyers will go with the 63 comepared to a 53 if both were offered. I do think a good amount would go for the 560 still. ( US MARKET ) also I heard the GLS might be available July /August and the 63 a month or so after. |
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Looks like they took the new GLE 450 and reworked the back and the headlights. That said, the final GLS 450 may look a lot like this render which looks pretty good to me.
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Originally Posted by skw
(Post 7635073)
It's really a toss up as to what engines we will see in 167 GLS. I personally have my doubts on seeing a 53 and a 560. The 63 and 450 both will certainly survive into the next generation but is there really enough of a market for 3 different V8 GLS models? I am strictly referring to the US market as the rest of the world is most likely to see a diesel as well but that's not making it here.
Thanks for your feedback. I know I am a little slow responding sorry. However, what 3 different V8 GLS models are you referring to? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the current X166 GLS450 a V6? And then there's only 2 V8s - the GLS550 (badged GLS500 here in Australia) & the AMG GLS63 - unless I'm missing something? In line with what MB are doing with the new V167 GLE450 my guess is the X167 GLS450 will also be powered by the new inline 6. It's possible MB might even badge it GLS500 in an attempt to attract current GLS500/550 owners away from the V8 and into the inline 6. This seems to be MB's pattern now with some of their new models or facelifts. Additionally I believe the X166 GLS500/550 with the 4.7 litre V8 will be replaced by the X167 GLS560 and powered by the non-AMG 4.0 litre V8, same as the current engine in the newly updated S560. Then of course the new GLS63, possibly even badged a GLS63s, with follow powered by the AMG 4.0 litre V8, instead of the current AMG 5.5 litre V8. As Delta5275 and Germancar1 mentioned I also doubt there'll be an AMG GLS53 with an AMG version of the new inline 6, but it can't be completely ruled out either. I think a lot of car companies are trying to slowly steer us V8 lovers towards higher powered but smaller capacity engines so they can eventually completely remove the V8s from their range. I have noticed there's no more V8 CLS coupes anymore, the CLS53 has replaced the CLS63, and perhaps the next generation C/GLC63s, E/GLE63s & S/GLS63 will follow suit. As for the markets that have the diesel model the current GLS350d will most likely be replaced by the X167 GLS400d, in line with the new V167 GLE400d. That would all make sense wouldn't it? Cheers! |
Anyone seen any new news?
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The "53" cars and the S500 in Europe use the same engine, it's the 429hp version of the I6, but in the GLS it would be the GLS500 IMO. GLS53 makes no sense, it wouldn't be sporty enough to make it an AMG. You need serious shove to make the GLS into a AMG model, hence the 600+ hp V8 in the GLS63 I'm betting we definitely see.
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It will definitely be a 63 most likely the same power as the current s63. Can’t wait for the release already. I’m hoping they do similar insulation to the s class and not the same as the GLE. Maybe more full leather on the lower part of the door ect. At least make it more on par with the s and to compete with the range |
Enjoy some pics from the local test car just outside the plant. Couldn’t get more pics but it lives in the area so will be in the look out. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...cae68bd41.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a68879648.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...f2ffb07f3.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...412d7eee1.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9e734fd6e.jpeg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c2523dfbd.jpeg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...b222f90e5.jpeg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...60ab13c76.jpeg |
Anybody know when the End of Production (EOP) is for the current GLS X167?
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My dealer told me the 2020 will have 2nd row captains.
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Im hoping it does have captains chairs. I’m ok with a similar design to the GLE but I don’t want a clone . I’m hoping it does come with the magic sky control. Loved it in my s 63. I’m also hoping they add more insulation comepared to the gle , along with UV blocking and acoustic glass. Also upgraded leather like the S class. Not skipping areas like the lower door ect. It should be completely covered in leather like the S class or at least offer that as an option. I think Mercedes really needs to nail it , since Range Rover probably will on their next gen. Still very excited |
Captains' chairs do not work well for large dog owners.
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Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7674839)
Captains' chairs do not work well for large dog owners.
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Originally Posted by M1M2M3
(Post 7675207)
I think you're supposed to get an E wagon if you have large dogs :)
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Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7676030)
I've been considering one as a replacement for my R350. Unfortunately, it looks like they don't have very good lease programs for them.
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Originally Posted by M1M2M3
(Post 7676096)
I didn't like the the lease programs on e wagon or e coupe. can't see spending almost 8 or 900/mo on that.
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GLS release
Hi, Just want to inform you that my contact at MB Sweden told me that the new GLS will be available fir order this spring in Sweden and delivery sometime after the summer. |
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7680330)
Hi, Just want to inform you that my contact at MB Sweden told me that the new GLS will be available fir order this spring in Sweden and delivery sometime after the summer. 😊 |
Hard to believe it would be that soon considering the vehicle hasn't been shown to the public yet. I still think MB will debut the new GLS at either the LA or NY auto shows this fall/winter, with order banks opening in Q1 2020, and deliveries in Q2 2020. Just my guess.
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I agree. MB hasn’t had time to promote the GLS and market it. I think we will be lucky to even be able to order this time next year. But I’m sure dealers will go ahead and take your money this March.
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c1d2c00f7.jpeg Straight from the horses mouth. If I'm mistaken, I will admit it. But I'm not one to pass along hearsay as truth. again like I said, from my direct sales rep from Daimler. Release dates may differ for the US market. |
Originally Posted by Axxlrod
(Post 7681001)
Hard to believe it would be that soon considering the vehicle hasn't been shown to the public yet. I still think MB will debut the new GLS at either the LA or NY auto shows this fall/winter, with order banks opening in Q1 2020, and deliveries in Q2 2020. Just my guess.
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Another GLS sighting in Alabama, 30 miles from the factory:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...5dbe198650.png https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...65b9f17c6e.png https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...2a4beaa11d.png |
Am anxious to see pics of the dash and the middle row seating configuration - thanks
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7681527)
Another GLS sighting in Alabama, 30 miles from the factory:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...5dbe198650.png https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...65b9f17c6e.png https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...2a4beaa11d.png thx for the pictures! not much camo, soon it will be none! |
Originally Posted by kombifan
(Post 7681129)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c1d2c00f7.jpeg Straight from the horses mouth. If I'm mistaken, I will admit it. But I'm not one to pass along hearsay as truth. again like I said, from my direct sales rep from Daimler. Release dates may differ for the US market. |
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...5a45746f1.jpeg This test car is a 550 I think. I saw it this AM when driving close to the plant. The front bumper has 2 small “vents” on the sides think the older 63 models 2008+. Circles the spot in the pic here that the vents are in. I noticed them while driving next to it this AM. Took a few pics but driving and pics is like texting a driving. The car lives not too far from me and it’s not the only test in the area. Wife and I have been on the lookout and hope to catch it out this weekend. Will of course aim to get really detailed pics when it’s parked. Even hope if possible to speak to tester to show interior if we hand them phones to know we won’t take those pics. My my friend at the factory who has worked in the car said it’s amazing. Course he just can’t take pics. |
Looks like a winner!
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the Rear suspension on my GL350 just slumped. I know the fronts won't be far behind. I don't want to spend huge money on this. I wonder if I she can hold together until this is ready or I may have to lease a GLS for 24
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Just talked to my CA at my Mercedes Benz dealer and he said the new 2020 GLS 450 is now in the ordering system.He isn't able to order it yet but he said this means it should arrive by the summer.There isn't any info yet about specs and options.He said all that is showing right now is the GLS 450.There isn't anyhing listed right now about the GLS 550.The GLS 450 is going to have the new inline 6 engine..
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Originally Posted by Nantucket
(Post 7690461)
Just talked to my CA at my Mercedes Benz dealer and he said the new 2020 GLS 450 is now in the ordering system.He isn't able to order it yet but he said this means it should arrive by the summer.There isn't any info yet about specs and options.He said all that is showing right now is the GLS 450.There isn't anyhing listed right now about the GLS 550.The GLS 450 is going to have the new inline 6 engine..
Maybe it will be released at Geneva motor show. or it will get its own release event in March / early April. |
The new MY20 GLS is almost completely uncovered in this new video.I’m surprised that it actually looks very similar to the current GLS.This means they will probably be showing it at the Geneva Auto Show.Looks good. |
It looks nice. The only thing and it’s to early to comment on, but the dash looks identical to the GLE. Now this is a picture from the outside, but I’m hoping they make the screen more flush with the leather and have more sound proofing then the GLE more like the s class. I’m also hoping they offer the same leather that the S class has and not just s bigger version of the gle. |
Originally Posted by Delta5275
(Post 7693152)
It looks nice. The only thing and it’s to early to comment on, but the dash looks identical to the GLE. Now this is a picture from the outside, but I’m hoping they make the screen more flush with the leather and have more sound proofing then the GLE more like the s class. I’m also hoping they offer the same leather that the S class has and not just s bigger version of the gle. |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7693178)
I posted a while back that the GLS would likely have the same dash as the GLE, that's been MB's approach for some time with these two SUV's. As for the design of the new dash in the GLE and upcoming GLS, I've test driven a GLE 350 and 450 in the past two weeks and the new design looks much better in person. Even the grab handles are nicer than you might now think. As for the screen being mounted in front of the dash, I too was concerned about that decision. Would there be issues with sun-glare, reflection in the windshield, and so on. I didn't notice any of those issues in either test drive. As for MBUX, it is a terrific system that you'll have to experience for yourself. So if you can't wait for the official launch of the new GLS, head over to your local dealer and ask for a test drive of the 2020 GLE. This will give you valuable information until the GLS makes it debut.
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Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7693651)
I test drove the GLE 350 too. I was also impressed, but the interior struck me as a little too utilitarian. After experiencing both, I think the Audi Q8's interior and exterior are more appealing. However, Mercedes-Benz powertrains still reign supreme.
I would encourage you and the other members of the forum to test drive a GLE 450. It's an inline six with an additional 107 HP compared to the V4 in the GLE 350 that you drove. And MB just unveiled the AMG GLE 53 which looks more aggressive and its inline six gets an electronic super charger to boast it to 429 HP. |
Judging by how little camouflage that GLS has in that video I would say we should see it next month in time for the NYC show in April.
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Im glad I got my 550 last year. When Im ready to replace in 2 or 3 years the new model will still be fresh but mature model
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Nice looking seats.It looks like it has the grab handles in between the front seats like the GLE.Nice to see they added them back to the GLS.I have always liked them in my 2010 GL.Did you take the pics?
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I don’t think the rear cabin is enough to raise eyebrows compared to the X7 IMHO.. Hoepfully this is just the case with the 450 trim... BMW did catch us off guard with like the wood trim in the 3rd row seat, the 5 zone climate control, and the sunroof in the very back, etc. We’ll just have to see what options MB will surprise us with!
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I agree,BMW really did an amazing job on the interior of the X7,especially with the full merino leather comfort seats.It will be interesting to compare it to the best luxury interior option that Mercedes will have in the new GLS.I noticed that like the X7,Mercedes has also added those pillows that you can put on top of the second row headrests.Its a great idea when you want to relax on a long trip.
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I test drove the GLE today to get an idea on what the GLS might be like. Nice car and all, but I really hope the GLS offers more s class like features. From the pictures you sent it looks very similar. Like others said, I hope it’s just the base. I really want S class like leather and seats, better sound proofing , night vision, and magic sky control which I had in my s63. Obsessed with it actually. I think the x7, really hit it off inside. Not a fan of the exterior , but it really does look luxury
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THe pics look like a fbo and ready to ship by plane. Must be heading somewhere for testing....or maybe Geneva!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Nantucket
(Post 7699091)
Nice looking seats.It looks like it has the grab handles in between the front seats like the GLE.Nice to see they added them back to the GLS.I have always liked them in my 2010 GL.Did you take the pics?
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Is that a screen in the center second row?
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Originally Posted by niL
(Post 7699184)
Yes I did take the pictures. They have been in and out of Atlanta for a couple months now but this is the first time I could see the interior in detail. I do agree with others and think the x7 interior is better. I was hoping to see more space in the rear also.
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Originally Posted by Nantucket
(Post 7699209)
Thanks for the pictures.So are you saying that you don’t think it has more interior cargo space in the back than the current GLS?I thought it was supposed to be a little bit larger than the current GLS.
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Originally Posted by kombifan
(Post 7699146)
THe pics look like a fbo and ready to ship by plane. Must be heading somewhere for testing....or maybe Geneva!!!!!!
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Pretty sure it’s going to be revealed in April at The NY auto show. Wonder if they will put seats like they did in the G wagon in the gls compared to the GLE seats. A little nicer and more comfortable. At least as an option. Also wonder when the 63 will come out
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Gotta say BMW really knocked it out of the park with the X7 interior. MB better really dress up the interior of the GLS, not only to be on par with the X7, but to make it truly worthy of the S in it's name.
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Originally Posted by Axxlrod
(Post 7699989)
Gotta say BMW really knocked it out of the park with the X7 interior. MB better really dress up the interior of the GLS, not only to be on par with the X7, but to make it truly worthy of the S in it's name.
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Teething issues are normal of course. The new GLS will have them too. Software issues are easy to remedy with just an update.
My problem is the lease on our current GL450 is up next month. What to do?????? |
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7700394)
I agree with you about the X7. It is a very attractive SUV and the interior color choices are well thought out. The thing that gives me pause is their new iDrive 7 software and overall onboard tech. Many owners of the 2019 X5 have reported buggy software, screen locks, and systems not working. And the X7 shares the same tech so for those considering the X7, maybe give BMW some time to work out the glitches and that would also give you a chance to see the new GLS in the flesh. As a side note, one fellow who just bought the 2019 X5 a few months ago sold it and bought a 2020 GLE 350. I ask him why and he echoed many of the same issues other X5 owners are experiencing (so buyer beware). I'm not casting doubt on all BMW's but the new X5 and maybe the X7 are going through a few growing pains.
Originally Posted by Axxlrod
(Post 7699989)
Gotta say BMW really knocked it out of the park with the X7 interior. MB better really dress up the interior of the GLS, not only to be on par with the X7, but to make it truly worthy of the S in it's name.
Originally Posted by Axxlrod
(Post 7700564)
Teething issues are normal of course. The new GLS will have them too. Software issues are easy to remedy with just an update.
My problem is the lease on our current GL450 is up next month. What to do?????? |
I’ve got an x5, no problems at all. Sometimes, the scale of problems isn’t as bad as the forums might have us believe, I’ve learned
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I went to see the X7 and took it for a test drive. It drives much smaller and tighter than the existing GLS. Yes, the grill is too big. However, BMW did a great job on the outside colors, packages and interior options. The full leather merino is beautiful. You can get the car the way you want it! Mercedes is a nightmare where you can only get a heated steering wheel with certain colors or items are not available. The other problem is Mercedes is actually going the other direction in terms of limiting interior options such as designo and extended leather.
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Originally Posted by BobBaxter_MB
(Post 7701257)
I went to see the X7 and took it for a test drive. It drives much smaller and tighter than the existing GLS. Yes, the grill is too big. However, BMW did a great job on the outside colors, packages and interior options. The full leather merino is beautiful. You can get the car the way you want it! Mercedes is a nightmare where you can only get a heated steering wheel with certain colors or items are not available. The other problem is Mercedes is actually going the other direction in terms of limiting interior options such as designo and extended leather.
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Originally Posted by Delta5275
(Post 7699138)
I test drove the GLE today to get an idea on what the GLS might be like. Nice car and all, but I really hope the GLS offers more s class like features. From the pictures you sent it looks very similar. Like others said, I hope it’s just the base. I really want S class like leather and seats, better sound proofing , night vision, and magic sky control which I had in my s63. Obsessed with it actually. I think the x7, really hit it off inside. Not a fan of the exterior , but it really does look luxury
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I viewed an in depth look at the x7 on Youtube.
This is my take without actually seeing it....
Let's see. |
Originally Posted by c4004matic
(Post 7701531)
Dont expect it to be anything else other than what it is now a stretched GLE. I went through the GLE catalog and it now offers all the goodies that were GLS only before, they are ,of course all optional. You can equip a GLE 450 well into the 80ks
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7701925)
I agree with you on the whole but the spy photos above seem to reveal higher quality seat covers and head rests in the 2nd and 3rd rows. This may not be only area the engineers focused on differentiating the GLS. It's common knowledge MB plans to offer a Maybach variant of the new GLS that will be even more luxurious.
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Originally Posted by Axxlrod
(Post 7700564)
Teething issues are normal of course. The new GLS will have them too. Software issues are easy to remedy with just an update.
My problem is the lease on our current GL450 is up next month. What to do?????? |
Placed my order last Friday. Can confirm captain seats is optional. Heads up display is also part of the technology package.
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Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7701900)
I viewed an in depth look at the x7 on Youtube.
This is my take without actually seeing it....
Let's see. GL used to have glass over the third seat (mine does) but people with dogs didn't like it - and it could add heat. Mine has a clip in shade. |
Originally Posted by greatcat
(Post 7702600)
Placed my order last Friday. Can confirm captain seats is optional. Heads up display is also part of the technology package.
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Originally Posted by cincy8
(Post 7702766)
I had a very bad experience with an X5 and the panoramic moon roof. I had almost $4000 in repairs from leaks that they said was for lack of maintenance even though I took it regularly to the dealer for maintenance and the manual doesn't list moonroof maintenance. I'd be afraid of their large roof.
GL used to have glass over the third seat (mine does) but people with dogs didn't like it - and it could add heat. Mine has a clip in shade. |
Originally Posted by greatcat
Placed my order last Friday. Can confirm captain seats is optional. Heads up display is also part of the technology package.
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I put the deposite almost 2 years ago when i got my 2018 gls 450.
I was told this would be the second batch, expecting late July or early August.
Originally Posted by sam9187
(Post 7703086)
How can you place an order when the the car hasn't been announced? Do you mean you placed a deposit?
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https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...1699e292c3.jpg
X167 Was just sharing the info i had as we all waited this long. But since you asked, here is part or the paperwork. Note the price is not available yet. But see the captain seat option.
Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7703014)
We need proof. :)
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Originally Posted by greatcat
(Post 7703132)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...1699e292c3.jpg
X167 Was just sharing the info i had as we all waited this long. But since you asked, here is part or the paperwork. Note the price is not available yet. But see the captain seat option. |
Originally Posted by greatcat
(Post 7703132)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...1699e292c3.jpg
X167 Was just sharing the info i had as we all waited this long. But since you asked, here is part or the paperwork. Note the price is not available yet. But see the captain seat option. |
Expected price GLS450
Hi,
How much over the new GLE450 can we expect the price to be? The GLE was too small for our family... |
I'm in Canada
Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7703147)
I see you’re in the Europe or Canadian market?
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Originally Posted by Delta5275
(Post 7699437)
Pretty sure it’s going to be revealed in April at The NY auto show. Wonder if they will put seats like they did in the G wagon in the gls compared to the GLE seats. A little nicer and more comfortable. At least as an option. Also wonder when the 63 will come out
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Stalked one of the local prototypes today. Got these quick pics. Interior much like the GLE for the front. Not sure if ever confirmed but this one I believe is the 550/560 version and has staggered wheels.
i would have asked about the motors but was at a school and didn’t want to disturbe the father who was driving. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...842e1f637.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...f9b042309.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c92011b76.jpeg |
23" wheels on 325's? That's some rubber!
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Originally Posted by George Smith
(Post 7703174)
do you know what are engines available? Will there be a non amg v8?
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Yes just confirmed with guy who would know.
M256 the straight 6 M176/177 the 4.0 twin turbo V8 |
Originally Posted by black06c230
(Post 7703992)
Yes just confirmed with guy who would know.
M256 the straight 6 M176/177 the 4.0 twin turbo V8 |
2021 AMG GLS 63
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Originally Posted by Nantucket
(Post 7704013)
The steering wheel looks huge in the pic you posted.Did you take any exterior pics?
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If I can get one of them in a more public space I plan to ask them about the interior and more. Tell them here hold my phone so you know i wont take any pics of the interior.
My buddy says it’s very nice inside but no real details other than confirming things like the engines and course will have MBUX. Said dash is much like the GLE. |
Is it a norm now for MB to release the 63 model a year after the launch of the non AMG models? Makes no sense IMO.
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I mean the engines and MBUX are a given. The looks will be the key factor. Just a larger GLE or some GLE mixed in with some new elements. The only engine wildcard would be a GLS500 with the 429hp I6 from the Euro S500 and AMG "53" cars. Of course there will be a GLS450, GLS560 and GLS63 AMG.
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Length
Originally Posted by black06c230
(Post 7704053)
If I can get one of them in a more public space I plan to ask them about the interior and more. Tell them here hold my phone so you know i wont take any pics of the interior.
My buddy says it’s very nice inside but no real details other than confirming things like the engines and course will have MBUX. Said dash is much like the GLE. Is it longer then the previous model or the same? |
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7704203)
What do you guess that the length of the car is?
Is it longer then the previous model or the same? There are 2 in the area we live and I travel towards the plant 1-2x per week around similar times they are going back and forth. Yesterday’ was when they weren’t heading in the their neighborhood or on the interstate. Hope to catch while out shopping soon. Keep you updated. |
Man I remember when it was Hans G Lehman (Hidden Image)I needed to rely on for scoops. Now it’s MBWORLD brethren with them! Thanks for posting
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Thx!
Originally Posted by black06c230
(Post 7704817)
Each time I have been near it we have been in my car and not our GL. I will try to check size realitive to my car vs our GL or side by side if in the GL.
There are 2 in the area we live and I travel towards the plant 1-2x per week around similar times they are going back and forth. Yesterday’ was when they weren’t heading in the their neighborhood or on the interstate. Hope to catch while out shopping soon. Keep you updated. Hope it is not longer then the previous one, parking spaces in EU and specially Sweden are smal. We were going for the new GLE but when we saw it IRL it was so small. Wife said no, we are going for the new GLS! Happy wife, happy life! ;) |
Originally Posted by greatcat
(Post 7703132)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...1699e292c3.jpg
X167 Was just sharing the info i had as we all waited this long. But since you asked, here is part or the paperwork. Note the price is not available yet. But see the captain seat option. |
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Can you walk through the X7 captains chairs to get to the 3rd row or at least can kids?
If that's not possible on the GLS I'm not so sure if there is a benefit. We really just want a much better alternative than a minivan... |
Looking at the seats in this GLE 53, it gives me hope on the new GLS. Seems closer to an S class already.
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Do you remember if there were any suspension options? I have Active Curve on my 2014 GL and it is amazing. Active roll stabilization for the corners and extra soft for the straights. On the new GLE, the "curve" optional air suspension is an 8K surcharge.
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Originally Posted by M1M2M3
(Post 7708357)
Can you walk through the X7 captains chairs to get to the 3rd row or at least can kids?
If that's not possible on the GLS I'm not so sure if there is a benefit. We really just want a much better alternative than a minivan... |
Mercedes site with some info of the x167
It will come with a V8 with cylinder shut down and EQ-boost called GLS 580 4-Matic.
no 450 with i6, hope that is wrong... https://www.mercedes-benz.ch/de/pass...ce.module.html |
great finding. put the screenshots here for easier readings.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...ef35e4a559.png
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7714930)
It will come with a V8 with cylinder shut down and EQ-boost called GLS 580 4-Matic.
no 450 with i6, hope that is wrong... https://www.mercedes-benz.ch/de/pass...ce.module.html |
I tried Chrome and Safari and can't get it to display anything, just boxes with question marks.
Maybe because I am in the us? In any case, engine choices are certainly country specific, ie, no diesels here in the US. |
Originally Posted by Todd in PA
(Post 7714971)
I tried Chrome and Safari and can't get it to display anything, just boxes with question marks.
Maybe because I am in the us? In any case, engine choices are certainly country specific, ie, no diesels here in the US. |
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My CA sent me the Canadian MY20 GLS ordering guide.It doesn’t have all the colors or pricing.I am going to call him tomorrow to get all of the details.
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Originally Posted by Nantucket
(Post 7718885)
My CA sent me the Canadian MY20 GLS ordering guide.It doesn’t have all the colors or pricing.I am going to call him tomorrow to get all of the details.
Hope all that is standard in Canada also will be standard in Sweden. |
New GLE must be real close.
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GLS release
Originally Posted by james1883
(Post 7719248)
New GLE must be real close.
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Originally Posted by Nantucket
(Post 7718885)
My CA sent me the Canadian MY20 GLS ordering guide.It doesn’t have all the colors or pricing.I am going to call him tomorrow to get all of the details.
I wonder what adaptive system damping PLUS includes? I have active curve on my 2014 Gl and it corners like a 911, flat. I was hoping that some type of active roll stabilization would be optional. |
Originally Posted by Nantucket
(Post 7718885)
My CA sent me the Canadian MY20 GLS ordering guide.It doesn’t have all the colors or pricing.I am going to call him tomorrow to get all of the details.
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Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7719448)
Have your CA given you any indication of how much more money the new GLS450 will cost over the new GLE450?
I talked to him today and he said all they have is the ordering guide.There hasn't been any pricing released yet.He also said they haven't released any info on what the exterior or interior colors are going to be.He said production will probably start in May or June. They are taking orders now with the options you want and then they will let you know when they get pricing and colors.That is when the actual order will go into the ordering system.He also said they don't have any info on when the new GLS 550 will be released. |
Ok saw the prototype today near the plant and only camo is around the head and taillights. I’m gonna try to get pics later today when I have a better chance of seeing it parked.
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the gls580 will get a 490ps engine
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Info of the new GLS
Originally Posted by Todd in PA
(Post 7714971)
I tried Chrome and Safari and can't get it to display anything, just boxes with question marks.
Maybe because I am in the us? In any case, engine choices are certainly country specific, ie, no diesels here in the US. https://www.mercedes-benz.com.mt/pas...7/explore.html |
Thanks so much, it does answer an important question for me. Active body control IS available! The Active Curve System on my GL is amazing.
All the text is in English but no images are available. |
Correct
Originally Posted by Todd in PA
(Post 7724331)
Thanks so much, it does answer an important question for me. Active body control IS available! The Active Curve System on my GL is amazing.
All the text is in English but no images are available. |
My buddy at the factory says they have started building production models. The only camo on any prototypes is just the head and tail lights. Will try to get pics this week if I see one running around
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Awesome!
Originally Posted by black06c230
(Post 7726040)
My buddy at the factory says they have started building production models. The only camo on any prototypes is just the head and tail lights. Will try to get pics this week if I see one running around
I need my delivered by may 2020 so I better order it quick. |
I hope it goes better also. I’m waiting for the 63. Hope it’s not a year later like the GLE. With the S class it came out around the same time.
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Originally Posted by Delta5275
I hope it goes better also. I’m waiting for the 63. Hope it’s not a year later like the GLE. With the S class it came out around the same time.
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NYIAS
Originally Posted by sam9187
(Post 7726240)
I'm hoping the same
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Originally Posted by Pachole
How far in advance does Mercedes usually confirm a premiere?
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Originally Posted by sam9187
(Post 7727372)
Who knows. MBUSA follows no schedule nowadays.
I have read on a german sites, or two actually that it will have its debut at NYIAS, hope MB confirms it soon... |
Confirmed 17th April
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7727458)
Ok, but how about other MB?
I have read on a german sites, or two actually that it will have its debut at NYIAS, hope MB confirms it soon... https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...bcb4ea772.jpeg |
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More photos
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Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7729186)
www.motor1.com/news/344117/mercedes-gls-class-caught-naked/amp/
www.carscoops.com/2019/04/2020-mercedes-benz-gls-spotted-again-in-the-u-s-almost-undisguised/amp/ |
Rear Wheel steering
Hi!
Does anyone think or know if the new GLS will have rear wheel steering, the one that will come with the upcoming S-class? Looks really nice and with the longer wheelbase it will be difficult maneuvering the vehicle if not... I have read on one site that it will have it but can’t find it again... Both q7 and x7 has it as an option and it reduces turning radius by aprox 1m... |
I think MANY swill be cross shopping with the X7. It is stunning.
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Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7729186)
www.motor1.com/news/344117/mercedes-gls-class-caught-naked/amp/
www.carscoops.com/2019/04/2020-mercedes-benz-gls-spotted-again-in-the-u-s-almost-undisguised/amp/ |
Originally Posted by ilumo
(Post 7729776)
hopefully it will look better in person. The spy shots are a little underwhelming. I was hoping it would be more aggressive looking. Doesn’t look that different from the 17-19
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Mercedes is starting to go backwards in exterior design. These need to look bolder.
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Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7729804)
Mercedes is starting to go backwards in exterior design. These need to look bolder.
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Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7729804)
Mercedes is starting to go backwards in exterior design. These need to look bolder.
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https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...2e12eca4c4.jpg
It's beautiful IMO. Not as dynamic as the X7, but still gorgeous. M |
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Is that the 550 in gray I guess?
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Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7731125)
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Much more refined and sophisticated then the x7.
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Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7731181)
Much more refined and sophisticated then the x7.
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The new GLS looks great, I hope they also offer those AMG wheels on the inline 6 version as it really completes the vehicle.
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https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d8f1ee0e6.jpeg
Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7731181)
Much more refined and sophisticated then the x7.
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Originally Posted by bonboon
(Post 7731498)
Saw that today. That pic doesn’t do it justice, looks incredible in the flesh |
The lines look pretty nice. Can’t wait to see the amg’s. I’m also hoping the interior is higher grade then the GLE. When I had my S63, some features I loved was the passenger and driver can have different fan speeds. That made a big difference with my wife and I. Magic sky control was well worth it too. I occasionally used the night vision camera. The most useful reason for that, was it would spot pedestrians and animals way before I saw them and would pop up on the screen.
I test test drive the x7, if they had an m version, I might have done it. The interior just felt very luxury. It truly felt like a 7 series. |
Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7731119)
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EU does not get GLS450
Originally Posted by cemeek
(Post 7718608)
Same result though some of the videos work if you click through. Also same comment - I'd expect US to get the new M256 I6 in the 450. That new gen V8 sounds awesome though based off the V8 M176/7/8 series, presumably, now with cylinder shut off and EQ boost? Heck yeah!
Only the 580 and 2 diesels, 350d / 400d. This is really ****ty news for us. |
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Bunch of photos available here: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/04/20...#lg=1&slide=14
I'm not sure I'm liking this design :( Kind of reminds me of a honda odyssey minivan. |
They are releasing it today it looks like NY. Excited to see the truck it’s self.
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Release is soon!
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For the most part, it looks excellent!
But I don't like that the instrument panel is a 3 feet long iPad that appears to be just glued on in front of the driver; it looks like an afterthought and not well integrated at all. I thought the whole iPad thing was in the past. |
Originally Posted by w220430
(Post 7734077)
For the most part, it looks excellent!
But I don't like that the instrument panel is a 3 feet long iPad that appears to be just glued on in front of the driver; it looks like an afterthought and not well integrated at all. I thought the whole iPad thing was in the past. |
Originally Posted by jbak31
(Post 7734054)
Bunch of photos available here: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/04/20...#lg=1&slide=14
I'm not sure I'm liking this design :( Kind of reminds me of a honda odyssey minivan. |
On the New York Auto Show website, under Gallery, Mercedes Benz, there is no pic of the new GLS, only the old one.
I hope you guys are correct! |
Read is somewhere there is no EQ boost on the 450...not sure that is correct..
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Originally Posted by kukipie
(Post 7734286)
Read is somewhere there is no EQ boost on the 450...not sure that is correct..
MBUSA site indicates EQ boost is available on 450 |
So I think it’s a nice suv. The lines are clean, updated interior and the rear executive plus package will be a nice option. From pictures I think it took a little to much from the GLE, but hoping they added more luxury. Going to check it out in person hopefully soon. Can’t wait for the details about the 63
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Originally Posted by thenew3
(Post 7734292)
Diesel is dead in EU so this is an incredible dum decision. |
More variants will roll out over time.
M |
It looks like the mid row seats have a fixed headrest w/o the ability to fold them down out of the way for visibility, unlike my X166. (or the X7)
I personally don't see much of an elevated luxury component over the GLE, maybe there will be a significant difference in how it feels on the road like the current X166 compared to the W166. Pretty good review by Thomas of Autogefuel.. |
Originally Posted by Germancar1
(Post 7735077)
More variants will roll out over time.
M I can wait over the summer before I have to place an order to receive the car in time before my lease expires in May 2020. |
Will the GLS 580 also have EQ tech as well?
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Overall a pretty predictable release. Certainly not overwhelming, nothing to make this line more exclusive or to reflect the price point considering you will end up over 100k fast with the V8 model. For the most part all MB SUV's look the same anymore. As long as they keep those tacky tablets I am not able to warm up to the newer models. Still cant figure out why they do this. Why not integrate the screens for a higher end finish?
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Originally Posted by Michael Khan
(Post 7735173)
Will the GLS 580 also have EQ tech as well?
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GLS vs. GLE
Originally Posted by Todd in PA
(Post 7735085)
It looks like the mid row seats have a fixed headrest w/o the ability to fold them down out of the way for visibility, unlike my X166. (or the X7)
I personally don't see much of an elevated luxury component over the GLE, maybe there will be a significant difference in how it feels on the road like the current X166 compared to the W166. Carwash function: ready for cleaning One new, standard feature is the Carwash function - which comes in very handy, especially for a large vehicle like the GLS. When this function is selected, the suspension moves to the highest position, which reduces the track widths due to the axle geometry. This makes it easier to drive into a carwash as well as remove any dirt remaining in the wheel arches from the last off-road trip. The Carwash function also:
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GLS 580 powertrain
Originally Posted by Michael Khan
(Post 7735173)
Will the GLS 580 also have EQ tech as well?
"Shortly after the model series launch, the introduction of the GLS 580 4MATIC (combined fuel consumption: 10.0-9.8 l/100 km; combined CO2 emissions: 229-224 g/km) will mark the world premiere of a new, electrified V8 petrol engine with 48-volt on-board electrical system and integrated starter-generator. It has an output of 360 kW (489 hp) and 700 Nm of torque, with a further 250 Nm of torque and 16 kW/22 hp available via EQ Boost over short periods. The integrated starter-generator (ISG) is responsible for hybrid functions such as EQ Boost or energy recuperation, while allowing fuel savings that were previously reserved for high-voltage hybrid technology. ISG eliminates the need for a belt drive for ancillary components at the front of the engine, which reduces its overall length. The slim design of the in-line engine, together with the physical separation of intake/exhaust, creates space for close-coupled exhaust aftertreatment. The 48 V on-board electrical system serves not only high power consumers, such as the water pump and air-conditioning compressor, but also the integrated starter-generator (ISG), which also supplies energy to the battery by means of highly efficient energy recuperation." |
Any news on the GLS63?
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GLS 63
Originally Posted by sam9187
(Post 7735272)
Any news on the GLS63?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...60da2295cf.jpg |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7735228)
But hey, the GLS has a Car Wash function!
Carwash function: ready for cleaning One new, standard feature is the Carwash function - which comes in very handy, especially for a large vehicle like the GLS. When this function is selected, the suspension moves to the highest position, which reduces the track widths due to the axle geometry. This makes it easier to drive into a carwash as well as remove any dirt remaining in the wheel arches from the last off-road trip. The Carwash function also:
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Originally Posted by places
(Post 7735190)
Overall a pretty predictable release. Certainly not overwhelming, nothing to make this line more exclusive or to reflect the price point considering you will end up over 100k fast with the V8 model. For the most part all MB SUV's look the same anymore. As long as they keep those tacky tablets I am not able to warm up to the newer models. Still cant figure out why they do this. Why not integrate the screens for a higher end finish?
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Originally Posted by places
(Post 7735190)
Overall a pretty predictable release. Certainly not overwhelming, nothing to make this line more exclusive or to reflect the price point considering you will end up over 100k fast with the V8 model. For the most part all MB SUV's look the same anymore. As long as they keep those tacky tablets I am not able to warm up to the newer models. Still cant figure out why they do this. Why not integrate the screens for a higher end finish?
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I love my 2015 GL450, but I can't say I am excited about the new model. My kids have enjoyed the dual-screen, dual-DVD system in my present car, so no option for rear entertainment is a problem. The interior choices are bland--the beige and brown leather choices come with gray accents. The exterior paint choices are mostly carryover. From the video, the power rear seats seem really slow. The "base" GLS450, which will likely be an $80,000 to $100,000 vehicle, has gray plastic fender flares. Overall the new model is 3.5 inches longer, an inch wider and a bit lower--giving it more of the proportion of a minivan than an SUV. The electronics seem fantastic and it may drive like a dream, but right now I am closer to going with a Honda Pilot or Lincoln Aviator than a new GLS, which makes me very sad.
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I certainly won't argue that the screen is beautiful, top notch, best in the world, etc.. However more tech does not equate to luxury. Especially if you compromise on the quality of finishers with lighter weight and cheaper feeling plastics, hollow and thinner wood grain, and MB Tex in the dash made to look like stitched leather. It's great to have a vivid and colorful large screen but that does not make a better car or truck. I really could care less about reading a restaurant review from my dashboard. I get that tech enhances the driving experience through convenience and making things easier but at the cost of true luxury? No thank you. Sticking an oversized tablet in front of air vents when they can so easily integrate it and give it a finished look makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by DM335
(Post 7735933)
I love my 2015 GL450, but I can't say I am excited about the new model. My kids have enjoyed the dual-screen, dual-DVD system in my present car, so no option for rear entertainment is a problem. The interior choices are bland--the beige and brown leather choices come with gray accents. The exterior paint choices are mostly carryover. From the video, the power rear seats seem really slow. The "base" GLS450, which will likely be an $80,000 to $100,000 vehicle, has gray plastic fender flares. Overall the new model is 3.5 inches longer, an inch wider and a bit lower--giving it more of the proportion of a minivan than an SUV. The electronics seem fantastic and it may drive like a dream, but right now I am closer to going with a Honda Pilot or Lincoln Aviator than a new GLS, which makes me very sad.
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Originally Posted by places
(Post 7735945)
I certainly won't argue that the screen is beautiful, top notch, best in the world, etc.. However more tech does not equate to luxury. Especially if you compromise on the quality of finishers with lighter weight and cheaper feeling plastics, hollow and thinner wood grain, and MB Tex in the dash made to look like stitched leather. It's great to have a vivid and colorful large screen but that does not make a better car or truck. I really could care less about reading a restaurant review from my dashboard. I get that tech enhances the driving experience through convenience and making things easier but at the cost of true luxury? No thank you. Sticking an oversized tablet in front of air vents when they can so easily integrate it and give it a finished look makes no sense.
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AMG 23's are an option, wow.
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Originally Posted by Michael Khan
(Post 7735173)
Will the GLS 580 also have EQ tech as well?
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The best part about this new model to me is that there is an aisle between 2nd row seats when you select the captains chair 6 seat option that aside. I don't see the point of moving out of my GL for it. I'd get nothing on the trade. I may just add a Navigator instead then there aren't any space issues period.
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Time to swap to an X7 huh?
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EQBoost w/ V8
Originally Posted by M1M2M3
(Post 7736351)
I was just at the dealership to service my GL350 and told yes it will have it but its just to get it rolling not any real electric situation.
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Does anyone know if the 2020 GLS580 (with standard AMG appearance package) will have the Chrome Diamond block grille. The GLS580 at the NY auto show did not have it and the US preliminary order guide shows the same grill on the base GLS450 and the GLS580. Both AMG and non-AMG are showing the identical 2 horizontal bar grilles. The 2020 GLE has the Chrome Diamond block grille with the AMG appearance package so I expected the GLS to have it available too.
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Mercedes-AMG boss on the future powertrain direction
From Road & Track:
The recently debuted Mercedes-Benz GLS SUV is an important car for AMG, even though it doesn't (yet) wear an AMG badge. The GLS580 marries an AMG-designed 4.0-liter twin-turbo V-8 with a 48-volt electric motor on the crankshaft, creating a mild-hybrid system. We spoke with AMG boss Tobias Moers at the 2019 New York International Auto Show, and he told us this electrified V-8 drivetrain previews the future for AMG. "The development was done by us, including the 48-volt system. We're going to use that as well," Moers said. "Initially, we kicked it off for the 63 engines for the GLE and GLS, and now we've brought it to [the GLS 580]. It's part of the future. At the beginning of 2021, there will be no car launched without an electrified powertrain. We're heading fast in that direction ... I think the share of electrified powertrains is going to be higher in the performance segments than in other segments in 2025. It's the key to bringing that segment to the future." Mercedes-AMG's first hybrid powertrains arrived last year in the new 53-series cars. Those models pair a 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-six with a 48-volt-driven Integrated Starter Generator (ISG) and what the brand calls an Electric Auxiliary Compressor, which you can think of as an electric supercharger. The GLS 580 pairs a V-8 with the ISG, though it does without the electric compressor. In the 53-series cars, the ISG and electric compressor help mitigate turbo lag, and Moers says AMG is working on additional ways to improve response in turbocharged engines. Of course, AMG is also working on a crazy hybrid system for the One hypercar, which will use an electric turbocharger, a crankshaft-mounted electric motor and an electric motor driving each front wheel, all enhancing the output of its Formula 1-derived 1.6-liter V-6. The AMG GT Four-Door had an electric motor driving the front axle when it debuted as a concept back in 2017, and Moers said this setup will be offered on the production car in the coming years. He also noted that the hybrid V-8 plus electric front axle could become the drivetrain of choice for future 65-series AMG models, replacing the soon-departing 6.0-liter V-12. The 420-hp turbo four-cylinder in AMG's upcoming 45-series cars won'thave any hybrid elements. It's challenging to add electrified elements to performance-car drivetrains, mainly because of the weight gain that comes with added batteries. AMG's strategy so far, as seen in the 53-series cars, has been to add electrified elements that boost power without including a battery pack (and thus, without the ability to drive in EV-only mode). Based on our recent experience in an E53, the system works well. We're curious to see what the next-generation of 63-series cars look like. |
GLS 580 grille
Originally Posted by marchgroupinc
(Post 7736951)
Does anyone know if the 2020 GLS580 (with standard AMG appearance package) will have the Chrome Diamond block grille. The GLS580 at the NY auto show did not have it and the US preliminary order guide shows the same grill on the base GLS450 and the GLS580. Both AMG and non-AMG are showing the identical 2 horizontal bar grilles. The 2020 GLE has the Chrome Diamond block grille with the AMG appearance package so I expected the GLS to have it available too.
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Is anyone now wanting to go look at a BMW X7 even more now after seeing this? Not impressed with the design.
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Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7737081)
Is anyone now wanting to go look at a BMW X7 even more now after seeing this? Not impressed with the design.
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2020 GLS Ordering Guide here: https://1drv.ms/b/s!Ai_mPJ0MNN2Z4RuiBguuzg4-X5pG
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Originally Posted by marchgroupinc
(Post 7736951)
Does anyone know if the 2020 GLS580 (with standard AMG appearance package) will have the Chrome Diamond block grille. The GLS580 at the NY auto show did not have it and the US preliminary order guide shows the same grill on the base GLS450 and the GLS580. Both AMG and non-AMG are showing the identical 2 horizontal bar grilles. The 2020 GLE has the Chrome Diamond block grille with the AMG appearance package so I expected the GLS to have it available too.
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Originally Posted by mercedesmax
(Post 7737318)
I doubt it. The GLS 580 has the twin lamella grille like the current 550 does. Typically they don't have the diamond pattern.
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What's the point of a launch when the 580 is not even in the order system?
MB is going down the drain with fake launches and delayed availability of options. What happened to the GLS63? |
Originally Posted by sam9187
(Post 7737406)
What's the point of a launch when the 580 is not even in the order system?
MB is going down the drain with fake launches and delayed availability of options. What happened to the GLS63? |
Originally Posted by XWAGONX
This is how every launch is done by every auto manufacturer. Is this your first new car purchase?
Last time the GL was introduced it was a way better launch than this. Both my S sedan and S coupe had way better launches. Most options were available both for the initial launch and for the facelift. This new fake launch is different than previous years. |
Originally Posted by sam9187
(Post 7738098)
Yes first new car purchase this year. Otherwise I am approaching 10 new cars in last 7 years and no this not how this is done.
Last time the GL was introduced it was a way better launch than this. Both my S sedan and S coupe had way better launches. Most options were available both for the initial launch and for the facelift. This new fake launch is different than previous years. |
The GLE launch has been very frustrating for many who ordered when the order banks opened in November. Some are still waiting for their GLE's to be built and arrive. Hopefully the GLS launch goes smoother.
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GLS launch
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7739545)
The GLE launch has been very frustrating for many who ordered when the order banks opened in November. Some are still waiting for their GLE's to be built and arrive. Hopefully the GLS launch goes smoother.
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7739548)
Well, can't see as to how it could go much worse!
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7739553)
You're wait is just about over Greg.
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Have anyone received prices yet?
Here in Sweden all I hear is sometime this summer... :nix: |
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7739706)
Have anyone received prices yet?
Here in Sweden all I hear is sometime this summer... :nix: |
GLE is months behind on production you can only assume the same for GLS.
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Originally Posted by M1M2M3
(Post 7739996)
GLE is months behind on production you can only assume the same for GLS.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...833b96c41c.jpg |
Prices and order book announced!
https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...uZGV4PTU!&rs=0Order books open in Europe!
but only diesel and no info of the 580... |
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7741563)
https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...uZGV4PTU!&rs=0Order books open in Europe!
but only diesel and no info of the 580... |
Originally Posted by Wassaby
(Post 7740542)
On the other hand my German assembled E 43 has been essentially perfect.. my 2018 GLS has been also good during it first 20k. |
Configurator up!
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NEVER would i buy a first year model car today. That's just me, but with all the new tech here will be many bugs. Check the Range Rover Velar pages on facebook. A nightmare. It's all the tech. Wait a year for a late build.
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Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7742521)
NEVER would i buy a first year model car today. That's just me, but with all the new tech here will be many bugs. Check the Range Rover Velar pages on facebook. A nightmare. It's all the tech. Wait a year for a late build.
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Everything you read on the internet is always true. I've been in this business for a LONG time. It's the truth.
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Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7742588)
I don't believe Mercedes has first model year issues. My GLS has been great.
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My GLE450 has been rock solid for 2-weeks !
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Another view of the X7
A less favorable view of the X7, by veteran auto reviewer of the Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/2019-bm...e-11556209168? |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7744737)
A less favorable view of the X7, by veteran auto reviewer of the Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/2019-bm...e-11556209168? You know what they say ..opinions are like aholes ..everyone has one. IMO if I like how it looks and how it drives I don’t care what anyone else thinks about it. |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7744737)
A less favorable view of the X7, by veteran auto reviewer of the Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/2019-bm...e-11556209168? |
Long shot but I wouldn't mind seeing a plug-in hybrid powertrain for the GLS. Similar to how there was GLE 550e for a short while. Problem is where to put the batteries w/o interfering w/ the 3rd row.
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WSJ review
Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7744781)
I’m guessing some of you have read many favorable X7 reviews by now so this review is suspect at best. Don’t believe me? Check them out on YouTube and see how many ‘less favorable’ reviews you can find. Poppycock review.
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7744737)
A less favorable view of the X7, by veteran auto reviewer of the Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/2019-bm...e-11556209168? The guy who wrote this review seems to not like luxury suvs in general judging by many of his comments. |
Dune Drifting in the New 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLS
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As an owner of two generations, and someone who considers the GL/GLS just extraordinary in all respects, I’m supremely disappointed with how safe they played it with the exterior. Just me, maybe my tune will change when I see it in the flesh
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Originally Posted by bonboon
(Post 7750070)
someone who considers the GL/GLS just extraordinary in all respects, I’m supremely disappointed with how safe they played it with the exterior. Just me, maybe my tune will change when I see it in the flesh
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Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7741563)
https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...uZGV4PTU!&rs=0Order books open in Europe!
but only diesel and no info of the 580... |
MB Sweden
Order book open! Also pricing set, only diesel for now.
Build date, from 1 of July. |
bummer no third row sun roof
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Any update on the 580 as to when it will be available for order?
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GLS
Okay,
according to MBSweden release of the 580 will be in June. Today the configurator is up for the 2 diesels! https://www.mercedes-benz.se/passeng...odelId=1679211 |
GLS 580
I got new info from MB Sweden.
The GLS580 will be released 5th June here with price and order books open. I am gonna ask if the delay on the GLE affect the production of the GLS. |
Still no word on when US pricing will be released?
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Originally Posted by bonboon
(Post 7523698)
the real question to me is to what extent they will differentiate the GLS interior from the GLE interior. given that there has been so much parts sharing, historically, i'm a little concerned. that being said, if they truly intend to differentiate S line vehicles from E line vehicles, the interior needs to be a nice step up and likely will be
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The AMG version will wear the Panamerican grill. I have seen a photo of the AMG version
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Originally Posted by black06c230
(Post 7762941)
The AMG version will wear the Panamerican grill. I have seen a photo of the AMG version
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Originally Posted by Wassaby
(Post 7763088)
Actually the AMG 53 will also have the Panamerican grill. I expect the 63 version to have something different.
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Originally Posted by black06c230
(Post 7763150)
Grill will not be difff I am told. I would post a pic but I can’t. This is info straight from the AL factory. Also the GLE Coupe is covered in the pic too.
That will be very weird to have 53 and 63 with same front AMG kit as i think the rear will be different buy the 53 round exhaust and 63 square. |
After looking more at the pic I have of the 63 if you think the X7 has a large grill just wait until you see the size of the one it will have. WOW is it HUGE!!! Dare I say the X7 grill in comparison will be much smaller. The 63 grill takes up half the bumper height, best I can tell is prob about 14-16" tall. It does seem to be taller than the 450/580 photos currently around but same width.
The 63 I have seen fully uncovered is in the bright blue without the night package. To say its underwhelmingly not aggressive at all is an understatement. The chrome trim along the bumper trim I think if all black with the night package would make a bigger diff. Basically take the current 63 lower bumper and graft it on with a LARGE panamerican grill and the new headlights. The wheels while this is a pre-production model are multi-spoke (13) |
Do you know when it’s going to be revealed to the public?
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Originally Posted by XWAGONX
(Post 7763810)
Do you know when it’s going to be revealed to the public?
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Originally Posted by XWAGONX
(Post 7763810)
Do you know when it’s going to be revealed to the public?
I really want to see the GLE Coupe that was under a cover next to it, here is crop from the full photo of the GLE Coupe covered. Doesn't show much but it's there, and you get a slight glimpse of the 63. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...4c75d609cf.jpg Told they expect the GLS Maybach to have same grill just lots more chrome on the front, no surprise there. They believed there was a Maybach under one of the other covered cars surrounding the 63. |
Release postponed
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7760250)
I got new info from MB Sweden.
The GLS580 will be released 5th June here with price and order books open. I am gonna ask if the delay on the GLE affect the production of the GLS. But it can’t be for to long because build will still start this autumn they say. |
How come black optics is available on both the GLE350 and 450 models, but only available for the GLS580? Poor GLS450 buyers :(
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Originally Posted by EKaru
(Post 7765192)
How come black optics is available on both the GLE350 and 450 models, but only available for the GLS580? Poor GLS450 buyers :(
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Originally Posted by marchgroupinc
(Post 7765240)
What is the "black optics" option?
Sorry I meant the night package https://i.imgsafe.org/c0/c09331f7a9.png GLS Without Night Package: https://i.imgsafe.org/c0/c098a947d6.png GLS WITH Night Package: https://i.imgsafe.org/c0/c098a68306.png |
"Black optics" is Audispeak.
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If you're cross shopping the BMW X7 while waiting on the 2020 GLS, here is a good video:
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Autoweek blurb
The GLS 580 is mentioned in this short article, but no new news.
https://autoweek.com/article/luxury/...icle6-headline |
my family is busting the seams out of our 14 GL350, so tomorrow I'm going to the dealer to go over the process of configuring the new sprinter to be family friendly. I was hoping they would have made the new one much larger, the cargo behind the third row is a joke.
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Vid of euro hidden trailer hitch for GLS, not great quality but you get the idea.
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Audi did this for the Q7 but couldn't bring it to the US because it wasn't DOT certified.
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Looks like the MSRP is out $76,195 for the GLS450 which is $5k higher than the 2019 GLS450. I believe that price includes the $995 destination charge.
Not as bad as I thought it would be. Looks like it will be a very difficult choice between the GLS and X7 for me. GLS MSRP per Motortrend |
The 2020 includes as standard the Parking Package and most if not all of the Premium Package, so there's not really a price increase at all.
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Any idea when they would release the GLS 580 prices?
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When are they releasing the GLS580 anyway?
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Originally Posted by M1M2M3
(Post 7770364)
my family is busting the seams out of our 14 GL350, so tomorrow I'm going to the dealer to go over the process of configuring the new sprinter to be family friendly. I was hoping they would have made the new one much larger, the cargo behind the third row is a joke.
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Expected pricing
Originally Posted by swenzi
(Post 7776748)
Any idea when they would release the GLS 580 prices?
I have calculated a price... GLE450 with same option as standard GLE580 is 67730 USD. The GLE580 cost 76800USD difference of only engine is approx. 9070USD. the GLS450 start at 76195USD, so I expect the GLS580 to start at approx. 85265USD. I estimated the Swedish price of the GLS diesels and I was wrong by 300€, they were actually cheaper. Keep in mind that they prob start higher with more options as standard with the GLS580. |
Video
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Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7777023)
I have calculated a price...
GLE450 with same option as standard GLE580 is 67730 USD. The GLE580 cost 76800USD difference of only engine is approx. 9070USD. the GLS450 start at 76195USD, so I expect the GLS580 to start at approx. 85265USD. |
Originally Posted by thenew3
(Post 7777223)
I think the GLS580 in the US will start right under $100k. The current GLS450 starts at $70,150 while the current GLS550 starts at $95,750 so with the new GLS450 going up by about $5k we'll likely see a similar $5k increase in the GLS580 which brings it to over $100k. I think they may want to make it a few $$ short of $100k to make it look more attractive marketing wise.
So the jump from GLS450 70150USD is to large to 100k USD. Most be a lot of options with GLS580 as standard to make that price jump. |
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7777235)
Sounds realistic, but why do they price the GLE580 so cheap? The engine increase is only 9070USD, rest is profit...
So the jump from GLS450 70150USD is to large to 100k USD. Most be a lot of options with GLS580 as standard to make that price jump. |
My question is whether there is a step up in build quality from the GLE450 to the GLS450 as Mercedes moves up in luxury to compete against the X7. There is a HUGE step up from the E class to the S class, and it is event as soon as you open the door and look at the door seals/insulation or wash the car and see how much water gets past the edge of the door. Is that kind of leap evident from the new GLE to the new GLS? The E class is a nice drive, but the S class feels like a vault. With a base price of 75K, my answer is PROBABLY NOT.
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GLS vs. GLE build quality
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GLS vs. GLE build quality
Originally Posted by bkdc
(Post 7778620)
My question is whether there is a step up in build quality from the GLE450 to the GLS450 as Mercedes moves up in luxury to compete against the X7. There is a HUGE step up from the E class to the S class, and it is event as soon as you open the door and look at the door seals/insulation or wash the car and see how much water gets past the edge of the door. Is that kind of leap evident from the new GLE to the new GLS? The E class is a nice drive, but the S class feels like a vault. With a base price of 75K, my answer is PROBABLY NOT.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...12ef3637d3.jpg |
Originally Posted by bkdc
(Post 7778620)
My question is whether there is a step up in build quality from the GLE450 to the GLS450 as Mercedes moves up in luxury to compete against the X7. There is a HUGE step up from the E class to the S class, and it is event as soon as you open the door and look at the door seals/insulation or wash the car and see how much water gets past the edge of the door. Is that kind of leap evident from the new GLE to the new GLS? The E class is a nice drive, but the S class feels like a vault. With a base price of 75K, my answer is PROBABLY NOT.
1) The previous gen GLE (W166) and GLS (X166) had very similar interior build quality. I'd expect the current gen GLE (V167) and GLS (X167) to have very similar build quality. the GLS is basically a stretched version of the GLE. 2) The S450 starts at a bit over $91k. while the GLS450 is $76k for a vehicle with larger interior volume. That's a $15k difference in base price. So don't expect the GLS to have the materil and build quality of the S class. |
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E-ABC
Originally Posted by EKaru
(Post 7779238)
E-Active Body Control
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7779265)
I've got that on my GLE. I can do the hopping thing, but wish I could get a hold of MB's "dancing" program! The system is made by Bilstein, BTW.
is it worth the extra money? |
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7779274)
How is the ride comfort compared to the regular Airmatic?
is it worth the extra money? |
Originally Posted by c4004matic
(Post 7432146)
This makes perfect sense and fits the development history. Again the engine choices will mirror the S class, whose new v8 is the new 4.0. This I6 was supposed to be the base engine for the S450 but evidently it wasnt ready on time. If and when it is it will replace the m276 on both vehicles. The I6 predominant advantage is fuel economy, not power, dont expect a faster vehicle. MB would love a 450 that can avg 22 to 25 mpg without sacrificing performance.
And thank goodness MB does not take BMW's approach to fuel economy in trying to reach a super-hot 250 degree F operating temperature which leads to early leaking gaskets and early degradation of accessory parts. |
2020 Mercedes GLS 580 Begins At $97,800JUN 20, 2019 BY: ADRIAN PADEANU, News Editor You can easily hit the $100,000-mark just by ticking a few of the boxes on the options list.When Mercedes released U.S. pricing for the all-new GLS earlier this month, it only talked about the entry-level GLS 450 4Matic and its $75,200 MSRP sticker before $955 destination and delivery charges. For those interested in acquiring the higher-powered version of the flagship SUV, the three-pointed star has now announced the GLS 580 will be available from $97,800 also before taxes.So, what do you get for that massive $22,600 premium over the base model? Well, the GLS 580 swaps out the inline-six 3.0-liter for a larger 4.0-liter V8, with both featuring EQ Boost serving as the integrated electric motor system. Power grows from 362 hp and 369 lb-ft to 483 hp and 516 lb-ft. In both instances, the electrified component adds up to 21 hp and 184 lb-ft while the engines are hooked up to a nine-speed automatic transmission and AWD. The beefier engine of the GLS 580 shaves off 0.7 seconds from the large SUV’s sprint to 60 mph (96 kph), which will take only 5.2 seconds. The two variants of the luxobarge come with an electronic top speed limiter programmed to kick in at 130 mph. Interestingly, although I’m sure very few will care about that, the V8 version is 0.2 inches longer than its six-cylinder counterpart, at 205.2 inches. While the configurator is not up yet on the Mercedes-Benz USA website, you can imagine it will be quite easy to reach a six-figure price tag after playing with the GLS customizer for only a few seconds. There are going to be at least two more expensive versions taking into account an AMG GLE 63 is in the works alongside a posh Maybach-branded model. The latter is expected to become the priciest U.S.-built vehicle by possibly hitting the $200,000-mark or over $40,000 more than the current title holder, the made-in-Ohio Acura NSX. Considering the regular GLS is scheduled to reach U.S. dealerships by the end of the year, the AMG and Maybach models are not expected to arrive until 2020. Meanwhile, we’re waiting for Mercedes to load up the configurator to do one of our trademark “Most Expensive” posts by ticking all the available boxes on the options list. |
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Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7783775)
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Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7783779)
What options is standard on the 580 that is optional for the 450? To justify the price jump...
At 97,500, it's $2k more than 2019, not nearly as bad as I thought it might be. |
GLS 580 upcharge
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7783779)
What options is standard on the 580 that is optional for the 450? To justify the price jump...
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I will post June 19 Dealer Order Guide with GLS580 MSRP as separate thread..
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Finally a review
And it’s awesome, didn’t expect anything else...
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Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7786178)
And it’s awesome, didn’t expect anything else...
At least they didn’t add a diamond pattern like other manufacturers. When will that fad die? I hope the Q7 restyle looks more appealing or its going to be back to the drawing board for me. |
Interior dissapointment
Originally Posted by XWAGONX
(Post 7786225)
Cant say I’m a fan. That interior doesn’t say SClass to me. You can already see the wear on the side of the seats and the overall seat design doesn’t look luxurious.
At least they didn’t add a diamond pattern like other manufacturers. When will that fad die? I hope the Q7 restyle looks more appealing or its going to be back to the drawing board for me. |
Originally Posted by XWAGONX
Cant say I’m a fan. That interior doesn’t say SClass to me. You can already see the wear on the side of the seats and the overall seat design doesn’t look luxurious.
At least they didn’t add a diamond pattern like other manufacturers. When will that fad die? I hope the Q7 restyle looks more appealing or its going to be back to the drawing board for me. The comparisons to the S have always been a stretch. The GLS interior is an extension of the GLE's interior, period. Interior finishes are more comparable to an E, but an S Class no way. Not even close. |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7776890)
Man, you need to stop having kids! :)
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More GLS reviews
In case you can't get enough reviews - there's more today.
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/35618...s-first-drive/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...enz-gls-drive/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/review...class-preview/ |
Daimler Press Release
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Autoweek: 2020 MERCEDES-BENZ GLS DEVELOPMENT DRIVE: SAND RIDIN'
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Apologies for the lazy question, as I am sure the real info is buried somewhere in the shockingly quiet subforum...but I can't really wrap my head around when the various models of GLS will be available for order and delivery.
My wife is itching to get one, and I don't want to rush into submitting an order if these things are postponed indefinitely. |
Originally Posted by b0rderman
(Post 7800675)
Apologies for the lazy question, as I am sure the real info is buried somewhere in the shockingly quiet subforum...but I can't really wrap my head around when the various models of GLS will be available for order and delivery.
My wife is itching to get one, and I don't want to rush into submitting an order if these things are postponed indefinitely. |
Originally Posted by b0rderman
(Post 7800675)
Apologies for the lazy question, as I am sure the real info is buried somewhere in the shockingly quiet subforum...but I can't really wrap my head around when the various models of GLS will be available for order and delivery.
My wife is itching to get one, and I don't want to rush into submitting an order if these things are postponed indefinitely. |
Originally Posted by b0rderman
(Post 7800675)
Apologies for the lazy question, as I am sure the real info is buried somewhere in the shockingly quiet subforum...but I can't really wrap my head around when the various models of GLS will be available for order and delivery.
My wife is itching to get one, and I don't want to rush into submitting an order if these things are postponed indefinitely. Us production is delayed because of continued issues ramping up production of the gle. Us is the biggest market for the gls so they don't want to get it wrong like with the gle450..... You can definitely spec your order though if you talk to your dealer. |
Is your question about having all the model options out so you make the right decision or timing for delivery?
I'm assuming dealers will have allocations so timing would depend too on whether a dealer is already loaded with buyers. If you have multiple dealers available to you, you might check in with their status. If you'd like to know more about the 580 or AMG in order to make a decision on model, I get that too. If I'm going to buy all the options included in a 580, I'm probably better off with a 580. And if I'm spending on more options there, should I consider the AMG? I know I want a 580 but would like to be tempted into an AMG. One consideration is that each higher tier will probably be LESS available, so if timing is a criteria, then maybe you should order now. I believe you can cancel an order at any time - the dealer will have no problem selling it. One dealer I talk with is suggesting we might be able to talk about the 580 next month. He already knows that I'm interested in one of his early allocations. I don't know if he has lots of other higher profile customers. |
Originally Posted by kombifan
(Post 7800747)
In Europe it is already available to order. Just check mercedes.be or.co UK to see the configurators. I got a preliminary spec order in late may for eu delivery.
Us production is delayed because of continued issues ramping up production of the gle. Us is the biggest market for the gls so they don't want to get it wrong like with the gle450..... You can definitely spec your order though if you talk to your dealer. |
Originally Posted by Jason B
(Post 7800694)
Be sure to show her the X7!!!!
It had a ton of issues and wasnt that good. I expected much more... But it had the B&W sound system, and it was awesome! |
Does anyone know when the DOG is available for the USA?
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X167 US DOG
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Originally Posted by bkdc
(Post 7801399)
Does anyone know when the DOG is available for the USA?
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Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7800921)
I have test driven the X7 and it was nothing compared to the old GLS, stick to Merc!
It had a ton of issues and wasnt that good. I expected much more... But it had the B&W sound system, and it was awesome! |
Sorry to just do a drive by here, but what is the deal with the GLS? My wife keeps asking me when she should go shopping for one?
Just a couple quick questions that I can't find definitive info on: - Are the order banks open? What sort of build dates are available right now? - What trim levels can you order? - When are deliveries expected? - Are these on dealer lots? Sorry for the remedial stuff, but I would have expected these to be out in the wild by now. I've only seen one or two new GLE on the road so far. Thank you in advance! |
Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7800921)
I have test driven the X7 and it was nothing compared to the old GLS, stick to Merc!
It had a ton of issues and wasnt that good. I expected much more... But it had the B&W sound system, and it was awesome! Great engines and trans combos but styling in and out is a miss. |
Originally Posted by b0rderman
(Post 7804844)
- Are the order banks open? What sort of build dates are available right now?
Originally Posted by b0rderman
(Post 7804844)
- What trim levels can you order?
Originally Posted by b0rderman
(Post 7804844)
- When are deliveries expected?
Originally Posted by b0rderman
(Post 7804844)
- Are these on dealer lots?
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Originally Posted by thenew3
(Post 7805097)
Some dealers are accepting orders now.
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With the GLS being "the S-Class of SUVs," there has always been difficulty balancing the rugged utilitarian element and the luxury element. Having the S-Class interior in a full-size SUV would look ridiculous to me. The SUVs need to have a distinct look from the sedans.
I test drove an X7 xDrive 40i today, and it handled like a pig. I was very disappointed. |
I was told 450 only, not 580 or AMG yet.
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Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7806885)
With the GLS being "the S-Class of SUVs," there has always been difficulty balancing the rugged utilitarian element and the luxury element. Having the S-Class interior in a full-size SUV would look ridiculous to me. The SUVs need to have a distinct look from the sedans.
I test drove an X7 xDrive 40i today, and it handled like a pig. I was very disappointed. |
Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7806885)
With the GLS being "the S-Class of SUVs," there has always been difficulty balancing the rugged utilitarian element and the luxury element. Having the S-Class interior in a full-size SUV would look ridiculous to me. The SUVs need to have a distinct look from the sedans.
I test drove an X7 xDrive 40i today, and it handled like a pig. I was very disappointed. |
Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7808339)
Do you know what the x7 was optioned with? The one I drove had great handling characteristics.
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I haven't posted here in a few months but after reading the above post by @Yoni94 a thought I better chime in. I owned 2 GL 550's and a GLS 550 with ABC and while I liked all three very much, our X7 50i handles a little better. The new GLS with E-ABC may out do them all, time will tell. Saying the X7 "handled like pig" is ridiculous. Both companies make great cars, no need for throwing stones.
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Originally Posted by JoeMa
(Post 7814195)
I haven't posted here in a few months but after reading the above post by @Yoni94 a thought I better chime in. I owned 2 GL 550's and a GLS 550 with ABC and while I liked all three very much, our X7 50i handles a little better. The new GLS with E-ABC may out do them all, time will tell. Saying the X7 "handled like pig" is ridiculous. Both companies make great cars, no need for throwing stones.
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My daily driver is an Audi Q8, by the way. It's one of the best handling SUVs I have ever encountered.
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Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7808339)
Do you know what the x7 was optioned with? The one I drove had great handling characteristics.
Luckily for me I am going with Merc and the old GLS that I have tested earlier to just try the size with the family felt much more solid and did not bounce or lean as mush as the X7. |
Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7814352)
My daily driver is an Audi Q8, by the way. It's one of the best handling SUVs, I have ever encountered.
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Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7814397)
The Q8 is a very different animal. It has more car like characteristics.
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Originally Posted by Pachole
(Post 7814363)
The X7 with MSport package I test drove with my father who is really into BMW, he drives now a X1M, was no good. We both taught the X7 handling was very poor and bounced and leaned all the time, very disappointed.
Luckily for me I am going with Merc and the old GLS that I have tested earlier to just try the size with the family felt much more solid and did not bounce or lean as mush as the X7. I own a GLS now with Active Curve and it improves the handling a lot and I have driven one without prior to my 2017 GLS purchase. It bounced and leaned too. Neither SUV is a sports car and definitely would not compare to a Q8 which is a different class. |
Originally Posted by jerome8283
(Post 7814404)
Neither SUV is a sports car and definitely would not compare to a Q8 which is a different class.
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So here's my summary for anyone that gives a sh@%. I'm objective, I own both vehicles.
The outgoing GLS 550 with active curve, in sport mode, drives tighter with less roll, albeit with a harsher ride, than does the x7 with adaptive suspension set to sport. I've put in about 40k miles on the Benz...maybe about 5000-7500 of those driving it at 8/10. I'm SUPER hard on brakes and tires. It delivers in Sport mode, that's the bottom line. X7 doesn't feel like it has the same limits, and has more roll. The x7 is a more comfortable and stable highway cruiser, IMO, though. It's a locomotive and super quiet. The x7 does not handle like a sedan, or even 5 seat suvs like the x5, q8, etc. BMW can't repeal the laws of physics, despite the UDM tag line. Rest of the stuff is highly subjective. Like Interior/exterior aesthetics for example. For me, last gen GLS vs new x7 not even close. New gen GLS remains to be seen. My opinion Benz targeted function over stylized form. BMW has done the opposite. It's more a Range Rover/GL hybrid than it is a direct GLS competitor. Good time to be alive and in the market having both the GLS and X7 as options. |
Originally Posted by Yoni94
(Post 7814352)
My daily driver is an Audi Q8, by the way. It's one of the best handling SUVs I have ever encountered.
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Originally Posted by bkdc
(Post 7815559)
There is no cargo space. It falls into the same category as the BMW X2 as a lower roofed attempt at sportiness. There are options for every taste out there. But the Q8 is not a large family hauler or cargo hauler. I’m guessing it sits on the same chassis as a the Lamboraghini.
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Originally Posted by XWAGONX
(Post 7816367)
As the X6. Not the X2.
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Originally Posted by bkdc
(Post 7816405)
Im talking about car form, not price class. I guess the Q8 is coupe like.
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One dealer says they've gone in for training on the new GLS. I hope that means demo cars are going to be arriving at other dealerships soon! |
Originally Posted by thenew3
(Post 7829556)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsbW21LoPvY&t=146s
One dealer says they've gone in for training on the new GLS. I hope that means demo cars are going to be arriving at other dealerships soon! https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...31bb56b96b.jpg |
They are working on full production cars I am told.
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Originally Posted by black06c230
(Post 7829613)
They are working on full production cars I am told.
I wonder if they are going to run into the same production delay issues the GLE has been experiencing. |
I’m NY, my dealer had it a few days ago. Unfortunately I was out of state for work. So they are going around. They said in the fall they will get ones back.
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At my local dealer and submitted an order for their first 580 allocation which is December build. Option prices are in the system but base price isn’t.
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Originally Posted by ksalno
(Post 7830814)
At my local dealer and submitted an order for their first 580 allocation which is December build. Option prices are in the system but base price isn’t.
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Originally Posted by sam9187
(Post 7831311)
Are they offering any discount on the 580?
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2020 GLS 450 @ Euro Motorcars Germantown MD
Looks like a dealer in MD either has a GLS on the lot or on the way to the lot. Hoping other dealers are getting them soon too. |
Took delivery
Where are all you guys? You mean to tell me I'm the first guy to take delivery on one? Up here in desolate Canada... Drives great, huuuge upgrade over our 2018 gls450, in all aspects. 325s in rear look mean.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...50a311ba90.jpg |
Originally Posted by Canadian guy
(Post 7855792)
Where are all you guys? You mean to tell me I'm the first guy to take delivery on one? Up here in desolate Canada... Drives great, huuuge upgrade over our 2018 gls450, in all aspects. 325s in rear look mean.
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Canadian guy - CONGRATS !!!! As an owner of a MY18 GLS450 I am very interested to hear your comparisons with the MY20 ... ? 580 or 450. Thanks, Steve
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Originally Posted by iridium18
(Post 7855811)
Canadian guy - CONGRATS !!!! As an owner of a MY18 GLS450 I am very interested to hear your comparisons with the MY20 ... ? 580 or 450. Thanks, Steve
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Originally Posted by Wassaby
(Post 7855824)
It looks like 580. The 450 doesn't the sport look.
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Very nice! More pics please if you have time.
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As far as I know, the only ones that have been "delivered" in the United States are demonstrators.
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Originally Posted by Canadian guy
(Post 7855792)
Where are all you guys? You mean to tell me I'm the first guy to take delivery on one? Up here in desolate Canada... Drives great, huuuge upgrade over our 2018 gls450, in all aspects. 325s in rear look mean.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...50a311ba90.jpg |
Originally Posted by Canadian guy
(Post 7855792)
Where are all you guys? You mean to tell me I'm the first guy to take delivery on one? Up here in desolate Canada... Drives great, huuuge upgrade over our 2018 gls450, in all aspects. 325s in rear look mean.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...50a311ba90.jpg |
Beautiful! Is that Black or Obsidian Black? What choices did you make for the interior? What size are the wheels? Very jealous, we're waiting for notice that we have a VIN for ours. We're in the States and no deliveries yet here as we're told, but because we ordered early, we're a high priority, again so our dealership tells us, with delivery in October.
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GLS450
Hey guys. Thanks for all the interest. It's a gls450 with sport package, which makes it appear very similar to the 580. The wheels are 22" front and back, with 285s up front and 325s in rear. The 22" and 23" wheel upgrades both come with summers, and the worst part is there is no all season or winter rubber to fit the rear wheels, so have to purchase a winter set. Had I known the 22s were coming with summers (forcing me to purchase a winter set), I would have optioned the 23s. Oh the downfalls of being the first build... none the we're very happy with the vehicle, and will need the winter set for the 63 that we are first in line for when they roll off the line next year. Colour is obsidian black, on black. I've attached the options from bill of sale, but we did premium, sport, intelligent, 22s, those are the important ones imo. We also did the 2nd row captains, and it works great with 3 young kids. Couple
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...ce945fcb4a.jpg downsides. We built our 2018 gls450 identical and it came with massage seats up front, this one doesnt have it! Apparently we had to option a "comfort package". Also the burmester doesnt have as good of bass as the standard Harmon kardon in the 2018. And last, but not least, the vents cant be pointed directly at the driver! The angle they stop at doesnt hit me. Other than those couple things, its a huge upgrade over the previous gen. Will take and post some more pics tomorrow. |
Interesting that they offer a Sport package that gets the look close to a 580. Not happening in the US market it seems unfortunately.
Nice that you got it so soon, since the Canadian website still says this is a 'coming soon' future vehicle! |
Originally Posted by univ0298
(Post 7856840)
Interesting that they offer a Sport package that gets the look close to a 580. Not happening in the US market it seems unfortunately.
Nice that you got it so soon, since the Canadian website still says this is a 'coming soon' future vehicle! |
My 580 build. Slotted for December manufacturing date. US delivery. About $50K more than I paid for my 2010 GL350 which I still love to drive but it’s getting long in the tooth from a tech standpoint.
859 Mojave Silver Metallic 958 Magma Grey/Black Nappa Leather Options DB0 Warmth & Comfort Package DC1 Night Package DC7 E-ACTIVE BODY CONTROL D11 Roof Spoiler, Body Color D26 Load Sill Protector (can’t believe this is an extra cost option now) H31 Natural Grain Grey Oak Wood Trim L3B 3-Spoke Multifunction Steering Wheel RWH 21" AMG Twin 5-Spoke with black accents U09 MB-Tex Wrapped Lower Dashboard U19 MBUX Augmented Video for Navigation 226 7 Seat Configuration 293 Rear Side Airbags 311 Heated/Cooled Front Cupholders 413 Panorama Sunroof 443 Heated Steering Wheel 463 Head-Up Display 51U Black Headliner 550 Trailer Hitch 557 Increased Towing Capacity with Trailer Hitch 872 Heated Rear Seats |
Canadian GLS580 pricing and restrictions
We finally got our Canadian option pricing. Restrictions are very unusual especially the one that forces ALL Canadian GLS580 to come with SUMMER ONLY PERFORMANCE TIRES! They are restricted to the RPA 22 inch non black wheels and the RPQ 23 inch only. The kicker is they do not make All Season Tires for those wheels anywhere.
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AMG appearance package
Originally Posted by univ0298
(Post 7856840)
Interesting that they offer a Sport package that gets the look close to a 580. Not happening in the US market it seems unfortunately.
Nice that you got it so soon, since the Canadian website still says this is a 'coming soon' future vehicle! |
Sport Package
Originally Posted by Canadian guy
(Post 7856815)
Hey guys. Thanks for all the interest. It's a gls450 with sport package, which makes it appear very similar to the 580. The wheels are 22" front and back, with 285s up front and 325s in rear. The 22" and 23" wheel upgrades both come with summers, and the worst part is there is no all season or winter rubber to fit the rear wheels, so have to purchase a winter set. Had I known the 22s were coming with summers (forcing me to purchase a winter set), I would have optioned the 23s. Oh the downfalls of being the first build... none the we're very happy with the vehicle, and will need the winter set for the 63 that we are first in line for when they roll off the line next year. Colour is obsidian black, on black. I've attached the options from bill of sale, but we did premium, sport, intelligent, 22s, those are the important ones imo.
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MB of Tampa inventory Saw a new video on youtube today posted by MB of Tampa and noticed the headlights looks different on their GLS450 vs what all the press videos have shown. Went to their site and noticed they list 7 2020 GLS450's in stock (no pictures) with 5 of them showing MSRP of $73,975 which is about $2k lower than the $76,195 in the DOG. I wonder if the first batch has some equipment removed (Such as the matrix LED headlights that are supposed to be standard), thus have a lower MSRP. |
Florida GLSs
Originally Posted by thenew3
(Post 7858496)
MB of Tampa inventory Saw a new video on youtube today posted by MB of Tampa and noticed the headlights looks different on their GLS450 vs what all the press videos have shown. Went to their site and noticed they list 7 2020 GLS450's in stock (no pictures) with 5 of them showing MSRP of $73,975 which is about $2k lower than the $76,195 in the DOG. I wonder if the first batch has some equipment removed (Such as the matrix LED headlights that are supposed to be standard), thus have a lower MSRP. |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7858503)
Yeah, those headlights look odd; those don't appear in any press photos! BTW, often the stock list you see on dealer's sites lists vehicles on order as well as in stock. I would doubt they have 7 vehicles this soon.
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Originally Posted by thenew3
(Post 7858505)
All 7 of them have VIN # and Stock # so I'm guessing they are either in transit to the dealer or already there.
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7858510)
VINs are assigned at the start of production, and a dealer can assign a stock number before receiving. Just sayin' I've seen this game before.
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I have heard that some of the early production units for dealer stock are missing some items that are supposed to be standard in the US, including the upgraded headlamps. The missing equipment will be reflected as a credit option on the window sticker.
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Originally Posted by ksalno
My 580 build. Slotted for December manufacturing date. US delivery. About $50K more than I paid for my 2010 GL350 which I still love to drive but it’s getting long in the tooth from a tech standpoint.
859 Mojave Silver Metallic 958 Magma Grey/Black Nappa Leather Options DB0 Warmth & Comfort Package DC1 Night Package DC7 E-ACTIVE BODY CONTROL D11 Roof Spoiler, Body Color D26 Load Sill Protector (can’t believe this is an extra cost option now) H31 Natural Grain Grey Oak Wood Trim L3B 3-Spoke Multifunction Steering Wheel RWH 21" AMG Twin 5-Spoke with black accents U09 MB-Tex Wrapped Lower Dashboard U19 MBUX Augmented Video for Navigation 226 7 Seat Configuration 293 Rear Side Airbags 311 Heated/Cooled Front Cupholders 413 Panorama Sunroof 443 Heated Steering Wheel 463 Head-Up Display 51U Black Headliner 550 Trailer Hitch 557 Increased Towing Capacity with Trailer Hitch 872 Heated Rear Seats |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7858503)
Yeah, those headlights look odd; those don't appear in any press photos! BTW, often the stock list you see on dealer's sites lists vehicles on order as well as in stock. I would doubt they have 7 vehicles this soon.
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Originally Posted by sam9187
(Post 7858584)
I noticed you have U09 with Magma Grey. With Magma Grey interior, is the lower dash not covered with Nappa leather? Normally designo interiors will have the lower dash wrapped in Nappa. Does anyone know?
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Originally Posted by ksalno
I’m pretty sure that U09 was a mandatory add when I selected the Magma leather interior, because I wouldn’t have ordered it otherwise. Based on that, I’d say the answer to your question is no, the lower dash is not covered with leather.
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Frankly - I haven't followed the full thread - if "you" don't have a confirmed factory PO for a GLS580 already - 100% you will not get a 580 this year - if you have a factory PO for a 580 now - chances are 50/50 you will get your 580 this year..
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Originally Posted by fabbrisd1
(Post 7859470)
Frankly - I haven't followed the full thread - if "you" don't have a confirmed factory PO for a GLS580 already - 100% you will not get a 580 this year - if you have a factory PO for a 580 now - chances are 50/50 you will get your 580 this year..
A month after I made my order with the dealer in April I got a PO number for my GLS580. Dealer told me he had to wait to see if he would have allocation for it. That was back in May but production dates have moved 4 times since then from mid Aug. to Nov. It is a Canadian spec. GLS580 and the only option added is 22 inch wheels which Mercedes forced on us last week due to no 21 inch available. This last production date change was last week, now it is Nov. 21. What are my odds of getting it produced before the end of Nov.? |
Originally Posted by fabbrisd1
(Post 7859470)
Frankly - I haven't followed the full thread - if "you" don't have a confirmed factory PO for a GLS580 already - 100% you will not get a 580 this year - if you have a factory PO for a 580 now - chances are 50/50 you will get your 580 this year..
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I just want member's to know up front that GLS580's for this year will be very/very tight - initial production is currently scheduled for 2nd week November - so we will see.
For those member's who have been working with their dealers and have a 580 on order - you get it. The current production plan - shows the factory making more GLS580's in December than November - and that is bulls*t because no factory has ever produced more vehicles in December - November and May are the two peak production month's. We have member's who are thinking about 580's who haven't talked to a dealer yet at all - that think they will be able to walk-in/email-in/call-in to their dealer and order a GLS580 for delivery before Christmas - and I just want to get the point across - that ain't going to happen that way for those people. Just looking to help ... received 6 2020 GLS450's Friday - and I had sold and delivered 3 of those before lunch - THAT'S how strong the new 2020 GLS is - awesome ! |
Originally Posted by fabbrisd1
(Post 7859992)
I just want member's to know up front that GLS580's for this year will be very/very tight - initial production is currently scheduled for 2nd week November - so we will see.
For those member's who have been working with their dealers and have a 580 on order - you get it. The current production plan - shows the factory making more GLS580's in December than November - and that is bulls*t because no factory has ever produced more vehicles in December - November and May are the two peak production month's. We have member's who are thinking about 580's who haven't talked to a dealer yet at all - that think they will be able to walk-in/email-in/call-in to their dealer and order a GLS580 for delivery before Christmas - and I just want to get the point across - that ain't going to happen that way for those people. Just looking to help ... received 6 2020 GLS450's Friday - and I had sold and delivered 3 of those before lunch - THAT'S how strong the new 2020 GLS is - awesome ! |
Will these 580 be moving at MSRP or is there any discount that can be expected?
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[QUOTE=fabbrisd1;7859992Just looking to help ... received 6 2020 GLS450's Friday - and I had sold and delivered 3 of those before lunch - THAT'S how strong the new 2020 GLS is - awesome ![/QUOTE]
Are you able to share if those 3 that sold were MSRP or were any discounts involved? Were they pretty base GLS450's or pretty loaded up? The few dealers I can find listings for all have them in the mid to upper $70k range which is pretty basic. |
Originally Posted by thenew3
(Post 7860117)
Are you able to share if those 3 that sold were MSRP or were any discounts involved? Were they pretty base GLS450's or pretty loaded up? The few dealers I can find listings for all have them in the mid to upper $70k range which is pretty basic.
Those GLS450 in the mid $70 are called Market Introduction. Factory specs cars. |
My local dealers are both saying they expect to get GLS's in tomorrow or Thu ... hoping to go and see one first hand finally!
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Originally Posted by sam9187
(Post 7860116)
Will these 580 be moving at MSRP or is there any discount that can be expected?
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Originally Posted by univ0298
(Post 7862182)
My local dealers are both saying they expect to get GLS's in tomorrow or Thu ... hoping to go and see one first hand finally!
Hoping they will budge from MSRP. I asked the sales woman about the 580, she said they won't have any of those until the end of the year, and their allocations are all spoken for until next year. But they do have 450 allocations available. |
Seen one finally!
My dealer got a few in today. One for delivery to a customer, some others going on show soon. He was kind enough to let me come and see it before service or detail even touched it.
first impressions - so similar to a GLE but bigger. Not massively different looking from current GLS on the exterior. A really nice vehicle all round https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...5ed3a37fd.jpeg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...8a9a3c219.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a33c58ea4.jpeg |
My dealer in Alabama has two in stock including the factory demo. I drove that car today. Very stripped down. But the EQ Boost in sport mode was quite impressive. The new voice activated system (already out in the GLE of course) is amazing. I was very surprised at the accuracy and speed of the “hey Mercedes” requests. Obviously I’m new to Mercedes. The GLS that I will receive soon will be my first. I’m quite excited about it.
In in my area they are not budging from MSRP. |
I stopped by a local dealer yesterday and checked out a barebones 450 they just got on the lot, have to say I am a bit disappointed. The black plastic trims on the exterior really made the vehicle look cheap. Also inside the are way too much hard touch plastics, like the huge lower door panel, lower dash, and middle part of the door panel behind the handle bar. I thin the interior trim pieces will be the same plastics even for the 580 unless you get an option package, Very disappointing for a $100k starting price vehicle.
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Originally Posted by swenzi
(Post 7864514)
I stopped by a local dealer yesterday and checked out a barebones 450 they just got on the lot, have to say I am a bit disappointed. The black plastic trims on the exterior really made the vehicle look cheap. Also inside the are way too much hard touch plastics, like the huge lower door panel, lower dash, and middle part of the door panel behind the handle bar. I thin the interior trim pieces will be the same plastics even for the 580 unless you get an option package, Very disappointing for a $100k starting price vehicle.
Maybe it’s because it’s a suv it needs to hold better in rough conditions and ware... How was the x166 and how is it with the new GLE? It’s awesome that you guys get to see the car and soon test drive it! Here in Sweden we maybe get the price and open order books for the 580 in October and the first diesel GLS get here some time in November... |
Driving a GLS450 today makes me wonder what our next steps are.
Quick feedback from our test drive. The car drove well and is technically day/night from the prior gen. GLS. The air suspension performed well as did the engine. Power was sufficient and the car drove well although the engine was a bit noisy when you step on it. Overall the car is technically very modern and does look much better than the old one in non-AMG trim, partially due to the 21" triple spoke rims which remind me of the old CLS/S63 AMG rims of days past. The seats are more comfortable than expected. The car drives much better than the X7 in terms of stability/suspension. Overall I really like the exterior design, ideally in the AMG package trim but personally I think it does look better is some colors than in others. For example, Iridium Silver looks a bit bland and makes the plastic wheel arches of the GLS450 stand out more. My main issue with the car is that it lacks any real luxury feel in the flesh. The MB-Tex turned out to actually look better than the leather interior as Mercedes is using come kind of strong, big pattern texture leather that doesn't match the rest of the MB-Tex that is used on all other surfaces. So there is a mismatch between panels, handles, console and seats The only Nappa option will come early next year and is only the base Nappa. No special stitching or diamond patterns, just plain black with gray. Even when selecting that leather, lot of interior pieces will remain plain plastic (lower door panels, seat side panels). The dashboard leather is an option and it also appears to cover the lower dash (as I was told). Trim: Unlike the Natural Walnut, the Natural Gray Oak looks quite fake to my eye even though it is actual wood veneer. It just doesn't strike me as good looking but at least it covers the center console pieces. This is not the case when ordering the Glossy Linden wood where the center console is just black plastic a la C-Class. While all of these maybe launch issues, we do have a need for a SUV this winter and the GLS580 may not be here in time and even if, the interior still feels sub-standard for its price-range IMO. Nappa should be the standard leather as in the X7 with some exclusive Nappa and/or Designo option as upgrades. At least for the 580. Same with the trim. There are minimal choice at this time. Am frustrated as the new GLS is a better car than the X7, yet I really am disappointed with the interior. We always get our cars with upgraded interiors so this is a forced step down. For comparison, here is a X7 40i which I could grab, priced in the mid eighties... https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...12cce791a6.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...ccdffaffc4.jpg |
GLS interiors
Originally Posted by Wolfman
(Post 7864974)
The car drove well and is technically day/night from the prior gen. GLS. The air suspension performed well as did the engine. Power was sufficient and the car drove well although the engine was noisy when you step on it. Overall the car is technically very modern and looks much better than the old one in non-AMG trim, partially due to the 21" triple spoke rims which remind me of the old CLS/S 63 AMG rims of days past.
The seats are more comfortable than expected. Car drives much better than the X7. Overall I really like the exterior design, ideally in the AMG package trim but I think it looks better is some colors than others. Silver is very practical in the wintertime (here in MN) but it just looks a bit bland. As many already complained the non AMG wheel arches look cheap and are not really paintable. My main issue is that the interior is technically sound but lacks any real luxury feel. Looking at a couple of cars I was shocked to see that MB-Tex actually looked better than the leather which has some kind of big pattern texture on it (maybe fake Buffalo skin). In short, the leather looked like crap as everything else is MB-Tex in the car which has a finer texture and doesn't match the seats. The only Nappa option will come early next year and is only the base Nappa. No special stitching or diamond patterns, just plain black with gray. Even when selecting that leather, lot of interior pieces will remain plain plastic (lower door panels, seat side panels). The dashboard leather is an option but also appears to cover the lower dash (as I was told). Unlike the natural Walnut, the Natural Gray Oak looks quite fake to my eye even though it is a wood veneer. Just doesn't strike me as good looking but at least it covers Center console. This is not the case when ordering the Glossy Linden wood where the center console is back plastic a la C-Class. Nappa should be standard as in the X7 with some exclusive Nappa and/or Designo option. Same with the trim. Minimal choice here. Am frustrated as the new GLS is a better car than the X7, I really am disappointed with the interior. We always get our cars with upgraded interiors. I don't buy into the concept that just because the GLS is the largest SUV it needs to have the luxury options standard. The need for a certain vehicle size does not directly relate to luxury. The GLS is really just a larger GLE, not an S-Class. I think a version that comes with more luxury options standard should be offered, and maybe it will at some point. Vance has been struggling with just the base product production and now the GLB is coming on. I expect more interior options will be offered, but if you need a vehicle now that doesn't help. |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7865040)
I totally agree that the GLS, and the GLE for that matter, have uninspiring interior choices. Where is a saddle tan leather, or any "color" for that matter? Upholstery patterns are bland. The trims are not much better.
I don't buy into the concept that just because the GLS is the largest SUV it needs to have the luxury options standard. The need for a certain vehicle size does not directly relate to luxury. The GLS is really just a larger GLE, not an S-Class. I think a version that comes with more luxury options standard should be offered, and maybe it will at some point. Vance has been struggling with just the base product production and now the GLB is coming on. I expect more interior options will be offered, but if you need a vehicle now that doesn't help. When it comes to personalization, the G-Wagon is ideal. Lots of choices. Unfortunately I need the utility of more space. Also, BMW should not be able to beat Mercedes in luxury ;) |
I also test drove the new GLS and an S Class back to back. There is a night and day difference. The S Class is way smoother, quieter, and way more luxurious. The new GLS has the exact same seats as the GLE, feels like a GLE too, just a bit bigger. The tester had 22” tires and they were a bit thumpy over some rough pavement. The S Class glided over them. There was a noticeable difference in ride quality between the older GL and ML, not so much with the new GLS and GLE.
I thought the X7 had a better ride than the GLS. Nicer interior too. I guess I am an old fart and found the user interface a bit confusing. The salesman said to just use HEY MERCEDES. We tried to turn on the heated seats by voice command and it was perfect. Then we tried to activate the vented seats with HEY MERCEDES, no go. I’ll pass. |
I have my heart set on a 2020 GLS 63, so I sure hope this is all better by then. I will require Exclusive Napa leather and very few plastic trim pieces. It sure better feel like an S class inside, or Mercedes’ marketing department is going to have to do some explaining.
For the rest of you, you should probably wait until the Maybach GLS comes out next year. |
Originally Posted by jbattan
(Post 7865208)
I have my heart set on a 2020 GLS 63, so I sure hope this is all better by then. I will require Exclusive Napa leather and very few plastic trim pieces. It sure better feel like an S class inside, or Mercedes’ marketing department is going to have to do some explaining.
For the rest of you, you should probably wait until the Maybach GLS comes out next year. SUV's are popular and many must like them. I am not one of them. I like the utility when needing to transport large items, etc. but in general find sedans and convertibles much more attractive. As such, I couldn't imagine dropping over $200k on such a vehicle. Cannot get emotional about any of these. |
Originally Posted by Canadian guy
(Post 7855792)
Where are all you guys? You mean to tell me I'm the first guy to take delivery on one? Up here in desolate Canada... Drives great, huuuge upgrade over our 2018 gls450, in all aspects. 325s in rear look mean.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...50a311ba90.jpg |
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
(Post 7865040)
I totally agree that the GLS, and the GLE for that matter, have uninspiring interior choices. Where is a saddle tan leather, or any "color" for that matter? Upholstery patterns are bland. The trims are not much better.
I don't buy into the concept that just because the GLS is the largest SUV it needs to have the luxury options standard. The need for a certain vehicle size does not directly relate to luxury. The GLS is really just a larger GLE, not an S-Class. I think a version that comes with more luxury options standard should be offered, and maybe it will at some point. Vance has been struggling with just the base product production and now the GLB is coming on. I expect more interior options will be offered, but if you need a vehicle now that doesn't help. Thx in advance! |
I keep on looking at the cars but keep forgetting to take some pics of the hard plastic. I did look at a GLS450 with Expresso brown leather interior just to make sure that the leather matches what is in the GLE's. Here is a pic.
My concern is the mismatch of the leather and MB-Tex pattern and the overall quality of fit/stitching. This was a $92k car... https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...3850711507.jpg |
I haven't posted on MBWorld for many months (I started this thread) and wanted to catch up on the latest GLS news. Looks like no 580's being built or delivered yet. Our X7 50i is about 6 months old and so far it's been a delightful vehicle. It's our first BMW but we really enjoyed the three GL/GLS's we owned. Just wanted to try something new for a change. I'd like to test drive the new GLS 580 when some well equipped models start showing up on dealer lots.
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
(Post 7864974)
Driving a GLS450 today makes me wonder what our next steps are.
Quick feedback from our test drive. The car drove well and is technically day/night from the prior gen. GLS. The air suspension performed well as did the engine. Power was sufficient and the car drove well although the engine was a bit noisy when you step on it. Overall the car is technically very modern and does look much better than the old one in non-AMG trim, partially due to the 21" triple spoke rims which remind me of the old CLS/S63 AMG rims of days past. The seats are more comfortable than expected. The car drives much better than the X7 in terms of stability/suspension. Overall I really like the exterior design, ideally in the AMG package trim but personally I think it does look better is some colors than in others. For example, Iridium Silver looks a bit bland and makes the plastic wheel arches of the GLS450 stand out more. My main issue with the car is that it lacks any real luxury feel in the flesh. The MB-Tex turned out to actually look better than the leather interior as Mercedes is using come kind of strong, big pattern texture leather that doesn't match the rest of the MB-Tex that is used on all other surfaces. So there is a mismatch between panels, handles, console and seats The only Nappa option will come early next year and is only the base Nappa. No special stitching or diamond patterns, just plain black with gray. Even when selecting that leather, lot of interior pieces will remain plain plastic (lower door panels, seat side panels). The dashboard leather is an option and it also appears to cover the lower dash (as I was told). Trim: Unlike the Natural Walnut, the Natural Gray Oak looks quite fake to my eye even though it is actual wood veneer. It just doesn't strike me as good looking but at least it covers the center console pieces. This is not the case when ordering the Glossy Linden wood where the center console is just black plastic a la C-Class. While all of these maybe launch issues, we do have a need for a SUV this winter and the GLS580 may not be here in time and even if, the interior still feels sub-standard for its price-range IMO. Nappa should be the standard leather as in the X7 with some exclusive Nappa and/or Designo option as upgrades. At least for the 580. Same with the trim. There are minimal choice at this time. Am frustrated as the new GLS is a better car than the X7, yet I really am disappointed with the interior. We always get our cars with upgraded interiors so this is a forced step down. For comparison, here is a X7 40i which I could grab, priced in the mid eighties... https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...12cce791a6.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...ccdffaffc4.jpg but as for interior, that third row is decidedly NOT next gen level to me, and the fit finish everywhere else seems a step below the x7. my 0.02. that being said, i like that it's geared a shade more to utility than style than the x7. it's nice having both options. |
Originally Posted by Canadian guy
(Post 7855792)
Where are all you guys? You mean to tell me I'm the first guy to take delivery on one? Up here in desolate Canada... Drives great, huuuge upgrade over our 2018 gls450, in all aspects. 325s in rear look mean.
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Hi ,
I have just received my 2022 GLS 63 AMG and I wanted to ask for some advises in regards to the break in process... My dealer fall short on recommendations.. I have seen many videos online suggesting that a low speed/low rpm is needed for about the first 2k miles. As for what I can see I have no software/electronic stop limitation on speeds or rpm`s for that matter and I can easily go up to say 7k rpm.. Any advise or help will be highly appreciated.. |
Originally Posted by ZZtop
(Post 8681542)
Hi ,
I have just received my 2022 GLS 63 AMG and I wanted to ask for some advises in regards to the break in process... My dealer fall short on recommendations.. I have seen many videos online suggesting that a low speed/low rpm is needed for about the first 2k miles. As for what I can see I have no software/electronic stop limitation on speeds or rpm`s for that matter and I can easily go up to say 7k rpm.. Any advise or help will be highly appreciated.. Now some argue it doesn’t matter and my opinion is, it probably only matters for as long as you want to keep it. Keeping it only during the warranty period, who cares. If you plan on keeping it past the warranty period, read the manual and do everything. Good luck and now let’s see some pictures. |
Thanks a lot :) I will definitely post some later on when I have a chance..
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Originally Posted by ZZtop
(Post 8681542)
Hi , I have just received my 2022 GLS 63 AMG and I wanted to ask for some advises in regards to the break in process... My dealer fall short on recommendations.. I have seen many videos online suggesting that a low speed/low rpm is needed for about the first 2k miles. As for what I can see I have no software/electronic stop limitation on speeds or rpm`s for that matter and I can easily go up to say 7k rpm.. Any advise or help will be highly appreciated..
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Originally Posted by ZZtop
(Post 8681542)
Hi ,
I have just received my 2022 GLS 63 AMG and I wanted to ask for some advises in regards to the break in process... My dealer fall short on recommendations.. I have seen many videos online suggesting that a low speed/low rpm is needed for about the first 2k miles. As for what I can see I have no software/electronic stop limitation on speeds or rpm`s for that matter and I can easily go up to say 7k rpm.. Any advise or help will be highly appreciated.. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...8549935e60.png |
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I have that on the side of my screen .. Read through it but still wanted to get extra opinions thats all :)
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My 2020 GLS580 has 27,000 miles. It was towed twice to the dealer for non start during first 15000 mi. During last 6 months it does not start once a month. After I wait for half an hour it start OK
Does any body experiencing this condition. I have an appointment with dealer today to see if they can diagnose the problem |
Never had the issue. Sounds like you might have a "parasitic" loss somewhere. Something that's supposed to be off, but it's not. In cars with air suspension, a leak in the system is not a rare occurrence. If that's the problem, it's easy to fix. The tell of the issue is the air pump running more than rarely when the car is off.
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