WayneE

I have a bike and I don't believe that an E63 can hang with a new GSXR600 from a dig or roll. Did you punch your E63 and pass a 600 of some kind? Sure. Were you racing? Who knows



Usually the high HP cars will walk away from bikes at 160+ due to aero. The literbikes trap almost 150 in the 1/4, right off the showroom floor.

The usual caveat applies here - bikes are more difficult to master and there are a lot of people out there that just can't ****ing ride. I've only gone 9.7s@146 on my bike, but it's in full street trim at the track.

Carl Lassiter

Part of how quick something is is how quick it is actually capable of going in the real world. I left an R1 behind going up Mulholland because cars like that are much easier (and arguably more capable) to corner at higher speeds than their two-wheeled equivalents. Had Valentino Rossi been behind the wheel, then i'd have been roasted but equally if I handed my keys to Walter Rohrl then the outcome would probably be the same as it was in actuality when two fairly good drivers are going at it in a real life scenario.

Bikes are very quick, that's why it is interesting to read a kill about them as nobody is direspecting their sheer speed and exhilaration. However, I don't find it implausable that a 600cc bike can be beaten by a 6200cc car when the race begins at three figure speeds.

termigni

it never happened.. i just came on here to BS. happy?

termigni

thank you. exactly.

dragonAMG

That is one sick *** bike... NICE!!!

termigni

i used to have a 04 R6. almost equivalent to 04 GSXR600. there is this strip (up hill) where i used to fly on the R6 at 120 mph. in the E63, i do almost the same or a little faster. on my duc 996, i do 140-150. the massive torque on the duc helps me go faster than E63. but E63 is def faster than my R6.

I'm sure he was racing or tried to do so. it has been discussed over and over in many bike forums that most of the riders do not have skills to push their bikes 100%. my guess is you are a real good rider if you can use 70% of the bike.



this bike was '04 600cc. 600cc bikes top out at 155-160. to around 120-130 they are pretty much buzzing the crap outta the engine. on the other hand, E63 can probably do 170+ if it wasn't for the restrictor.

that's some good number you got from the Busa. nice bike indeed. again i have no arguments towards 0-60 or 1/4 mile race. the bikes WILL smoke any cars under $300,000.00 in stock form in their pure performance.

here is my baby. 996 w/ 54mm full termignonis and some other goodies. sorry i keep taking pictures with my crap camera phone..

Rudyrono

I've posted these in the "Kill" Section. Funny, no response from the bikers on any of these links.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ArticleID=3088 This is a pro riding this bike...no bad rider mod. It's a 1352 cc bike! The article says that, until the pro hopped on the bike, nobody was able to get the bike lower than 10's. So....it looks like bikes don't "magically" run in the 9's as a matter of imperical law. Furhter, there are street cars in this area that do better on the track than this bike.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpdTXiKNO-s Here's a mid 11 sec Cobra taking a Gixer 750 from a dig. I guarantee that it is not a "$300,000" Cobra. I know the kid who owned it and it had a Diablo Chip, pulley, headers & short throw shifter with 315 DR's. You've all seen the E55 vs. Cobra video with the exact same mods. Therefore, according to 7th grade algebra...if A>B and B>C..A>C.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...vs.+bike+races Here's a pro vs. pro on the twisties.

Bikers....stop saying it "can't" be done. It's done all the time.

termigni

^ thank you. i hate to believe the bikes are invincible when it comes to racing but it does happen.

baldmike73

BUSA!!!!!
damn this thread has gotten out of control.
well my 1960's Vespa beat a Pinto!!!!!!

Coalman

You guys must be smoking something. I've had rice rockets (GSX-R1100 and even an old V65 Magna) and they would blow ANY four wheel vehicle off the road. I saw video of a roll on between a modded Viper (750 HP) and a Suzuki 1300 cc "Busa" and the Viper looked like it was standing still. Cars can actually run faster on certain road courses. And it takes a much better rider to race a bike versus a car; but straight line, forget about it!

chiromikey

it can't be done...at least not with a decent rider that's trying.

you can justify whatever you want by posting videos that mean nothing. put an average rider on a bike and it will smoke just about any street car in a straight line to 150. i'm average at best but give me that gixer 750 and i'll smoke that cobra or any e63 in a drag race (actually all i'll really need is a 600).

again it comes down to beating the rider not the bike. i love these cars too and they're incredible for what they are...but they're not magic and they're not as quick as some of you guys are portraying.

jangy

HAHA!!! I love this debate. I have eaten my share of 600s. The 750s are indeed a rider's choice. There are VERY few riders out there that can launch a bike to its potential. That is why i win. Agreed that a properly riden 750 takes me in a straight and especially once the rolling is on and the power is applied. BUT, a 600 is actually closer than you guys are pretending. Keep in mind that the rider still has to put the power down AND get the bike in its band. Very few bikes have any amount of power down low. VERY. Also, bikes depend a great deal on momentum. If the rider didn't get a good roll, then yes it can be beat until he gets back in his band. There are lots of variables. It is pretty fun, though.

BenzoBoi

+2

4npower

ok, i only read about half of this thread but i had to post before i read the rest. since i have had my bone stock 06' E55 i have raced 4 sport bikes, 3 600's and a older 1000, all gixxer's. also all races were on the interstate from prolly a 70-80mph roll. 2 of the 600's were stock and one had atleast an exhaust. the 2 that were stock, we went to about 150mph and i put atleast 3 car lenghts on both of them. the modded 600 was at my rear bumper when we shut down. the 1000 was modded up well and pretty much killed me before i got a chance. now i am pretty much used to racing bikes in the supra, as my supra on pump gas and boost set to 18psi, i will just flat out bust a 600's ***. now i will also say that prolly 95% of guys on bikes do not know how to ride them to their full potencial. me included. i had to get rid of my bikes because i was prolly gonna die trying to experience the bikes full potential. there are alot of guys that think they can ride but end up being no better then a rookie. it takes years of riding experience to become a pro on a bike. now with that being said, if there were pro's on these 600's that i raced it prolly would have been a different outcome. so the next time someone says they raced and beat a bike, don't just jump to conclusions and call them a liar because cycle-world says the bike runs 10's and it's impossible. those 10 sec quarter's were run by guys that ride bikes for a living.

eLTURCOamg

wow akara, very very nice bike, what farings are on that, and what cosmetic mods do you have on that beuty

4npower

btw, a bit off topic, but i have had my E55 over the 155 suposed speed limit.
the highest i have seen on both the speedo and the digital speedo is 164mph and i think i could have kept going. this is with stock tires on a bone stock car. i guess the speedo could be off a bit but i dunno about 9 mph. once i get the nerve up, i guess i'll have to video it and see just how high it will go before it stops the party

chiromikey

let us simply agree that unless you have an 11 second flat or better e-whatever, when you beat a sportbike you beat the rider, NOT the bike and be done with this debate. otherwise, those of us that actually ride sportbikes are going to hurt ourselves laughing too much.

dragonAMG

All these pictures and talk makes me want a damn bike... what bike do you "bike experts" recommend as a starting out bike?

Jrocket

They should have a forum here just for "kill stories".

Jrocket

Honda trail fifty for you.

jangy

A GSX-R1000. Best bang for the buck ride on the planet. But, don't forget they call them (all bikes) donorcycles.

My bike days are over.

Chromikey: I spent 12 years racing from Honda VFRs up to GSXr 750s. While I agree with you in many ways. I'd be more than willing to race a 600 any day. On a drag strip, with a great rider, yes you win. In the real world, I'll take my E. By the way, my E does not pull 10 sec 1/4s.

Akara1

Thanks for the compliments. The bodywork is OPP Carbon. This is my track bike, so there are no real cosmetic mods. A lot of the mods do look nice, but they are pretty much all functional. I also have a Ducati Monster as m around town bike, and a Yamaha R1-LE.


Dragon - If you are serious about learning, take the class first, then start on something that you feel comfortable with ( I do not reccommend a 1000cc). Many people choose to start on a Ninja 250. I started on a Yamaha R6. Started going to Willow Springs within 3 months, and had my ZX-10r 3 months after that. The R6 became my track bike as I was going 3-4 times a month on average. Since then I have owned a Ducati 749R, 2 R1's and a Monster. It's a sickness. BTW, I started riding in November of '03.

Akara1

Lol, good recommendation Jangy... If you are the benificiary on his life insurance policy.

baldmike73

Dragon,

First before going out and buying a bike take the riders course to learn how to ride and decide if it is something you will be comfortable with.

I started up on dirt bikes then my first was a Yamaha FZR600 49 state and then 3 kawi zx7's (got a thing for team green) to follow before I slowed it down and went Harley. Now the HD is up for sale and a ZX10 is on the agenda. A bit more comfy than an R1 but that is just preference over anything else.

Good luck and keep 2 wheels up!!!!

chiromikey

i don't care what the circumstances were...drag strip, dig, roll on, real world, the land of make believe, whatever...if i beat a bike in my e i would certainly know it wasn't the bike's fault.