Famous Driver you think is a loser?
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Famous Driver you think is a loser?
Yep folks,
Im talking about the guy whom you think is really a loser as an F1 driver, Even if he's achieved fame in F1 yet you think he's quite a loser here's my person :
David Coulthard!
The guy last year was the only person to compete MS and this season??
Renaults taking him up!!
Im talking about the guy whom you think is really a loser as an F1 driver, Even if he's achieved fame in F1 yet you think he's quite a loser here's my person :
David Coulthard!
The guy last year was the only person to compete MS and this season??
Renaults taking him up!!
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Originally posted by MBMWAUDI
Would u blame em? or the cars?
Would u blame em? or the cars?
Irvine appears to me as a smart mouth (which I often enjoy) who would rather run his mouth than attempt to drive fast. He's a British driver in a British car... he's supposed to be better of the two, but his lesser experienced teamate has outqualified him more often this year than not. Sure, the car is a dog, too.
IMO, Villeneuve is proving to be a flash in the pan F1 Champion who has settled for big bucks with BAR, and believes he can't be done without, because of the Villeneuve family heritage in the sport.
The interview he gave last week concerning the rumor that he could return to US Champ cars seems to ice it for me. He said that "F1 was a step up for him, and that the US series was in disarray due to the IRL-CART split," which indicates that a return to CART was out of the question. But then he said that "his future direction would all depend on where the better deal was." IMO, he's all about the money, and driving safely in a back marker car helps preserve it. I really liked him initially, but he's proving a bit shallow to me now.
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Well Said MB-BOB,
Agreed Villeneuve is just a kinda money minded person,
Irvine if gone back to Ferrari do you suppose he'd do any better?
Thanx,
And lol now dont flame me guys but...
Mika too was one loser initially infact I remember he took quite a while to even win a race,
Agreed Villeneuve is just a kinda money minded person,
Irvine if gone back to Ferrari do you suppose he'd do any better?
Thanx,
And lol now dont flame me guys but...
Mika too was one loser initially infact I remember he took quite a while to even win a race,
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Originally posted by MBMWAUDI
And lol now dont flame me guys but...
Mika too was one loser initially infact I remember he took quite a while to even win a race,
And lol now dont flame me guys but...
Mika too was one loser initially infact I remember he took quite a while to even win a race,
There have been lots of great drivers that took years before they started winning consistently... Among past champions, Nigel Mansell, Damon Hill, Keke Rossberg and Jim Clark each took 4 seasons or more before winning their first championship. Ayrton Senna took 5 seasons. Sure, Hakkinen took 7 years, but so did Mario Andretti (albeit Andretti wasn't full time F1 for much of that time).
It's only occasional that you see someone enter F1 and win a championship right away (Jacques Villeneuve the most recent at just 2 seasons). But winning out of the gate is the exception to the rule. Heinz-Harald Frentzen beat Mika Hakkinen for the German F3 championship the last year before they both entered F1. While Mika eventually collected two championships and retired, HH is still among the backmarkers.
I'm not a Mika Hakkinen fan. In my book, he has all the personality of a donut hole. But anytime someone can pilfer a championship while Michael Schumacher is breathing the same air in the paddock deserves some credit... two championships even more so.
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Originally posted by MB-BOB
Heinz-Harald Frentzen beat Mika Hakkinen for the German F3 championship the last year before they both entered F1. While Mika eventually collected two championships and retired, HH is still among the backmarkers.
Heinz-Harald Frentzen beat Mika Hakkinen for the German F3 championship the last year before they both entered F1. While Mika eventually collected two championships and retired, HH is still among the backmarkers.
Frenzen's best chance was at Williams in 1997, but he only won a single race while JV won the championship that year. I think if Frenzen could have the kind of relationship that Hakkinen and Ron Dennis did he would likely have had a much better career. He simply wasn't psychologically up to the Williams/Head management tactics. I think that if he had the right equipment and management earlier than now he might have done something - now I think he's done.
The only other big name I'd categorize as a loser is Irvine. He's never impressed me, at Ferrari, he was never a challenge for Schumacher. I always hated the way he explained it as "well I never even tried to challenge Schumacher because he's so good." Rubens (and before him, Johnny Herbert) ability to occasionally compete against Schumacher (if the team let them) makes these statements by Irvine look idiotic.
I still rate Villeneuve highly - I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at Ferrari when MS retires. Ferrari and the tifosi loved Villenueve's old man and Ferrari and will be on the lookout for a marqee driver when MS is gone (although he's much better than Irvine, I don't think that Rubens is up to the task [mentally] of a championship run).
Cheers, BT
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Originally posted by trench
Frenzen beat Schumacher for the German F3 championship (Hakkinen was in British F3 - champion in 1990). But your argument is still valid as the other German went on to win five F1 championships and stole/married HHF's girlfriend to boot.
Frenzen beat Schumacher for the German F3 championship (Hakkinen was in British F3 - champion in 1990). But your argument is still valid as the other German went on to win five F1 championships and stole/married HHF's girlfriend to boot.
One of the silliest situations to me concerned Jean Alesi. He had such talent, and early in his career, he had opportunities to go with a couple of teams on the rise. Instead, he steadfastly followed his dream to Ferrari and languished there during the lean years. A career more or less wasted out of loyalty. It's turned out that Villeneuve has also put his career on hold with BAR.
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I agree with you about Alesi. He had an offer on the table from Williams in 1990 and chose to go with Ferrari for the thrill of driving the red cars. In hindsight what a mistake. Imagine how many championships he could have won. Probably would have been a challenge for Senna in 1991, have beat Mansell in 1992, 1993 (don't think Williams would have picked up Prost if Alesi was there - why would they need another Frenchman?). I think Senna would have still come to Williams in 1994 (similar situation to his arrival at McLaren in 1988). There would have been spectacular racing between the two for the next three-four seasons (if we're going to play "coulda been" might as well pretend that Senna survives Imola). I say he would have won at least two championships - maybe as many as four or five. I never saw Schumacher do the equivalent of passing Senna in a Tyrell - all of his successes came in superior equipment. In Alesi's defense, Ferrari was very competitive in 1990 - who knew that they were going to slide into the crapper that fast.
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In light of the article in today's Autosport, I think we have to add JV to the list. Not so much for not returning to CART, but given his prior statements about only going to CART for a ridiculous sum of $$, getting offered a ridiculous sum of $$, then turning it down!
JV is not worth $50 million for one year in any car!
Here's the text of the Autosport article:
Villeneuve turns down big money
Canadian elects to stay in Formula 1
Jacques Villeneuve is said to have rejected a deal worth a staggering $50 million that would have led him back to the US-based CART Championship Series.
Instead the former world champion has decided to remain in Formula 1 with British American Racing.
Canadian tobacco brand Player's is said to have made the offer to entice Villeneuve to join Forsythe Racing for its final season of motorsport sponsorship next year.
But team boss Jerry Forsythe claimed that Villeneuve's manager Craig Pollock wanted even more money than was offered to make the move.
"We would have loved to have been able to count on the services of someone like Jacques Villeneuve for a year," he told Le Journal. "It would have been very good for Player's and for the CART series. Unfortunately, Pollock asked for even more money.
"It's too bad because we know the idea interested Jacques, who doesn't mind the idea of returning to race in North America where he would have been able to win races. Their demands were too high. I'm not sure he will receive the same kind of offer from an F1 team at the end of his contract in 2003."
Villeneuve drove for Player's in Indy Lights and Champ Cars before moving to Formula 1 in 1996. He won the Indianapolis 500 and the CART championship in '95 driving for Forsythe's previous team which was co-owned by Barry Green
JV is not worth $50 million for one year in any car!
Here's the text of the Autosport article:
Villeneuve turns down big money
Canadian elects to stay in Formula 1
Jacques Villeneuve is said to have rejected a deal worth a staggering $50 million that would have led him back to the US-based CART Championship Series.
Instead the former world champion has decided to remain in Formula 1 with British American Racing.
Canadian tobacco brand Player's is said to have made the offer to entice Villeneuve to join Forsythe Racing for its final season of motorsport sponsorship next year.
But team boss Jerry Forsythe claimed that Villeneuve's manager Craig Pollock wanted even more money than was offered to make the move.
"We would have loved to have been able to count on the services of someone like Jacques Villeneuve for a year," he told Le Journal. "It would have been very good for Player's and for the CART series. Unfortunately, Pollock asked for even more money.
"It's too bad because we know the idea interested Jacques, who doesn't mind the idea of returning to race in North America where he would have been able to win races. Their demands were too high. I'm not sure he will receive the same kind of offer from an F1 team at the end of his contract in 2003."
Villeneuve drove for Player's in Indy Lights and Champ Cars before moving to Formula 1 in 1996. He won the Indianapolis 500 and the CART championship in '95 driving for Forsythe's previous team which was co-owned by Barry Green
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Eddie Irvine is definetly the biggest loser in F1, however, I think Alex Yoong officially gets this title 
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JPM and Sato
JPM, because I don't like the guy, and Sato because I don't think he was good enough for F1. Fast Eddie, I like because he has a personality that adds character to the sport. JV is stuck with a loser team and he isn't afraid to admit it. He may sound like a whiner, but he is very blunt about his opinions, that is not a loser but rather someone who can lead a quality team. Too bad Renault passed him by. Maybe if MacClaren gets rid of DC and replace him with Jaque, he might show his true abilties as a Champ and not a Chump.
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Yeah, I don't like JPM at all either. I wish he would go back to CART.
