What do you guys think happened? The press is saying that Alonso held him back but if I recall correctly, the lollipop was still down while he was waiting.

 

No, if you look closely, the mechanic turned the lollipop and raised it, then Alonso waited about 8 seconds before he got out. Mechanics were looking at each other confused. I love it. I love how he shows he wants this championship real bad.

Disclaimer - I am not an Alonso nor a McLaren fan.

 

Alonso totally held Hamilton back... in the press conference he said it was the team's decision, but the guy didn't even have the car in gear when the lollipop went up. That plus Ron Dennis' body language makes it clear that it wasn't the team. Take that McLaren!!!!!!

 

Spoiler in titles?

You guys really need to be more careful....


I've been very happy about MB / Mclaren's performance this year. But, I'm getting disgusted with them now. The whole Ferrarigate issue they are trying to blow off and now Alonzo's unsportsman like behavior to his own teammate.

Alonzo is an ***..........

I purchased 3 MB shirts this year.... Two team shirts and one Hamilton shirt. I wouldn't support someone who is so cowardly he can't compete on the track.

 

+1... I think we should stop politely calling Alonso "donkey" and just refer to him as the "***" he is. This whole fiasco is disgusting.

If I were Ron Dennis, I would agree with the Stewards -- who are investigating the incident for unsportsmanlike conduct-- and demote the *** to second, if not the rear of the Q3 order (10th).

 

Get a load of this... Ron Dennis says on a press conference that it is HAMILTON'S FAULT!!!! And That Alonso really was being counted down by his engineer, not looking at the lollipop! I have to say I humbly take my words back...

After this, LH was so upset that he couldn't say anything on the press conference. I think Alonso is now getting the psychological edge on his rookie teammate.

My call for tomorrow? The Donkey will take it!

EDIT: Stewards demoting Alonos to 6th on the grid!!!!

EDIT2: I hear rumours that NcLaren will aslo not score any points tomorrow regardles of where the drivers finish!!!!!! This is nuts!!!

 

my personal view ? alonso should be send to the back.. just as shumi was send to the back in monoca...what fonzi did was worse...MS i sitl lbelieve it was a mistake...this ****... was not a mistake...he did it on purpose...fuken pansy

 

And so it transpires, Alonso, errr the ***, is penalized 5 grid positions. He's still an ***.

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/index.shtml

The premptive penalty against the team is BS, though.

 

Check this out. It explains everything.

http://insider.speedtv.com/viewtopic.php?t=153609

 

hamilton is a cry baby!!

 

the Donkey will still take it!

 

I still want to know who called for a tyre change in the German / Europe GP for Hamilton. That change onto slicks was so strange that I dont get how it could have been made with any sense of purpose.

 

If thats the case, i'm not a donkey fan, or an *** fun...but thats just fuked up not letting him race--as much as i dont like him i still want to see him race ... **** dennis and his whole fuken team... if they are doing this **** un purpose to have hammy win ... i rather see donkey win it then hammy that is for sure....and yes nola you can quote me on that

 

youre the only one




this was nowhere near what ms did. i give fa props for doing what he did. it was hamilton who started it by disobeying the team and not letting alonso through in the fuel burn off stage like they agreed and he was told to on the radio many times. he also told dennis to "never f(_)ckin do that again" (tell him what to do) and to go "f(_)ckin swivel" on the radio after the incident.
spoiled little b1tch

i hope alonso takes it, if not kimi

 

 

Alonso has to grow up. Deleberitley blocking his team mate is pathetic, imo he should be banned from the next race.

 

The thing is he didn't block his teammate out of his own free will and initiative... he followed team orders (engineer countdown). Now, the race engineer was holding Alonso to get at Hamilton (purportedly under Ron Dennis's orders), because Hamilton did not follow their agreement.

When driving for the same team, only one driver can benefit from one extra fuel burning lap to help him with a better qualifying time without sacrificing fuel strategy. In McLaren, it is Ron Dennis' disposition that FA and LH will alternate having the extra lap. This time, it was Alonso's turn to benefit (mind you, Alonso has disagreed to this decision but has respected it fully), but Hamilton did not do what he was supposed to and they got out of sequence. When Hamilton showed up behind Alonso, he was perfectly timed to take that lap instead of Alonso, but only because he disobeyed team strategy.

McLaren executed this very poorly... had they communicated the countdown with the lollipop man rather than with the driver, no one would have asked any questions.

Alonso was penalized because to the FIA, motivation does not matter.

I'm not saying I agree with what McLaren is doing, but I disagree that this was the Donkey being evil and calculating.

As for Hamilton, I think he plays innocent kid when he's benefitting from his more experienced teammate, but has no problem stabbing him in the back if the opportunity presents itself. Hamilton has such a competitive spirit that I think he cannot control himself when held back... and I think McLaren's idea of equality is simply alternating who they hold back. It was the same in Monaco... remember Ronbot said they decide who would win prior to the race? Hamilton was livid and went on a rampage at the end of the race banging the walls a couple of times. Snotty little kid.

 

i totally agree with you Nola, however i think that mclaren should invest in developing and maturing their drivers. infront of the media they are causing the team to lose their credibility.

On the other hand i have to say that the FIA is being leniant with them. If MS had commited any of these acts he would have been severley punished.

 

have you seen the latest? Several races ago, Hamilton and Alonso agreed not to talk about each other with the press... now Hamilton gives an interview and goes all self righteious with how Alonso is giving him the silent treatment, but that his door always open to Alonso in case he wants to come and chat. Brat.

As for MS and his punishments... I think he ended that way because he used so many little tricks along the way. There was precedent if you will.

 

i have to say, with the way things are going, its just a matter of time till we see an on track incident between them.
Atleast ron dennis has been through that before, Although it has to be his nightmare.

 

How many goes did Montoya have with his team mates?

I'm disgusted by the behaviour of the ***. (yep, I'm signed on to that name)
I taped and watched the qualy and race last nite. When he sat that, I was screaming at the TV. My neighbors think I'm mental.

I do think he got held back by Hami, and exacted retribution. So, with this in Mind, his engineer counted down the time, to let Hami know that he can be stuffed.

This should have been nothing more than a rant in a conference room. Now, we have a full blown explosion.

 

I don't know about you guys but I am very disappointed with McLaren this year. All these things about the Stephney scandal and the way they manage their drivers are distroying their image. I never liked Alonso because he is egoistic but after seeing what happened to Hungary I think that Hamilton is very sneaky as well. He knows to put nice face in front of camera and pretend to be the victim but the truth of the matter is that his actions triggered all of this. He was also very nasty to his boss, he doesn't seem to be very appreciative of the fact that it was Ron that made him what he is.
It eventually caused the team to loose valuable manufacturer points and his co-driver to be punished severely. I don't think Alosno did that all by himself; he wouldn't try to do something as obvious as that in front of international TV. In addition to that, it seems that even though Ron was upset with Hami he still tried to give him the adge by having Alonso on the prime tires instead of the option!

I just wish that Kimi didn’t have such a bad luck, I don’t buy the stories that he is causing problems with rough driving; the type of failures he had this year are not suggesting that. If he was riding the curbs causing problems to the suspension or gearbox etc, I would accept that but it doesn't seem to be the case. Hopefully, he does well in the races to come. Go Kimi go…

 

Hmm so this scandal thing, i went online last night and did research on Alonso back tracing a year...and i must say... i have to give him

since day 1 --even before he started driving for them he didnt feel confortable... hmmm i must say-- this guy has taken alot of **** from Maca...and i really wish him the best--after seeing all his interviews in SPANISH you get to see his true side- his english dosent portray him well, he dosent know how to speak it well and choses the wrong words.... and i must say after seeing a lot of his SPANISH interviews you can really get to see what the guy is all about and i'm actually starting to like him

I rather have Alonso win the WDC over that ...... yea you know what i wanna say

 

There is still good in you... I can feel it!

Anyway, what happened to your boy Massa? He was being paced by a Super Aguri!

 

yea after his spanish interviews im starting to like this guy i think i have gone mad...Enrique a Alonso fan... well ill tell you this much...i rather have Alonso in a Ferrari then Kimi -- bad luck hunts kimi --- so you maca fans can have him back so he can break the mp4-22(?)