http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...05182039.shtml

 

Oh shyte. Thar goes the planet.

 

Ohhh, this is just scary. RD better pray...

If they were eliminated, I would feel SOOOO bad for Hami.



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honestly, i cannot imagine mclaren being excluded from the championships. however if they are going to get eleminated or whatever, does that mean that ferrari will automatically win ?

If they are found to be guilty of industrial espionage, this is going to take away from ferrari the credibility of proving that they were the best team this year, because this will mean that the championship will be decided in the courts, rather than on the tracks. This also means the mclarens performance this year was fake. This will ruin their reputation unless R.Dennis leaves and it will ruin all the hard work that mclaren has done in the past decades.

I really hope that mclaren will prove that they are not guilty, or else the world of F1 will be severly damaged for some time to come.

 

There are a several good discussions going on in the Ferrari forums:

New evidence in Stepneygate
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=165874

MONZA Stewards Investigate McLaren
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=165879

Ferrari Appeal Withdrawn
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=165738

Evidence against Stepney
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=165747

FIA to re-open spy case
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=165804

Of course, most (if not all) members there support Ferrari and have a lot of hatred towards McLaren-Mercedes.

Read at your own risk.

~shahedc
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if they ban Mclaren for the rest of this season and next year. lot of people would not be going to the races for sure.... it will be so gay to see farrari win all the races.

it will defenitely make me shy away from watching F1

Maybe watching JPM on Nascar wont be as boring .....lol

 

Ferrari responds to FIA decision
Team to attend WMSC hearing in Paris
06/09/07 17:31

Following the receipt of new evidence, the FIA announced yesterday that the World Motor Sport Council will reconvene for a hearing in Paris on September 13th. Ferrari today confirmed that they will attend the hearing.


Ferrari statement
"Ferrari notes the FIA’s decision to call an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council to examine new evidence that has emerged with regards to the accusation that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has violated article 151c of the International Sporting Code.


"Ferrari will be present at the Council meeting on the 13th September in Paris and wishes to reaffirm its own strong wish that all the elements in this case are brought to light. Ferrari is confident that the truth will out."

E.A.
Source FIA

 

I'm on Fchat and have really enjoyed this years battle between MB/Mclaren and Ferrari. It will be disappointing to me if these allegations are true. I do think that heads should roll at MB if they lose points.

 

i guess more people did know the info
this ****s getting better everyday

from auto motor und sport


Translated by Google

The espionage affair between McLaren and Ferrari goes on next Thursday into its crucial round. The world union FIA called for 13 September the set appointment procedure off and summoned for it the world advice together again. Reason for the program modification are new proofs, which the FIA was passed on week obviously passed. In the driver camp of Monza rumors consolidated themselves that the drivers are complicated into the case. Therefore Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton and Testfahrer Pedro are to have gotten de la pink(rosa) ones gotten by the FIA post office. They were requested to take to the new proofs position. Them exemption from punishment assured if it cooperatively to be it shown.

Alonso and de la pink(rosa) ones expressed themselves beginning of this week then to the case. Their statements have the FIA thereupon arranges to order again the world advice. According to rumors it concerns the exchange of enamels between Pedro de la pink(rosa) ones and Fernando Alonso. In this Mails de la pink(rosa) ones are to have set for its Spanish colleague over tuning secrets of Ferrari in knowledge. De la pink(rosa) ones received these information from chief designer Mike Coughlan, in whose house 780 pages the strong secret dossier was found, which comes according to Ferrari data from their former workshop boss Nigel Stepney. De la pink(rosa) ones and Coughlan know each other well. The two co-operated already 1999 and 2000 with Arrows.

The E-Mail exchange between de la pink(rosa) ones and Alonso is to have taken place already briefly after beginning of season, clearly the time ago thus, at the Coughlan the documents of Stepney got. It confirms again the suspicion that Coughlan knew already early details about the Ferrari. Whether the fact that Alonso theoretically tuning-cheat of Ferrari for own purposes have used could, is sufficient, to exclude McLaren from the world championship stands on another sheet. It makes the defense strategy of team head Ron Dennis anyhow not simpler, because it is clear now that more knew more people obviously nevertheless than it to admit to want. The FIA did not want a comment on request to the current procedure

Because of the strained tendency between Alonso and its team, in the scene it is speculated whether Alonso wanted to blacken its running universe intentionally, in order to come prematurely from the contract. After all realizations is however not the case. Alonso had no chance to refuse the statement. The FIA could have theoretically closed it then. Before a civil court it looks however differently. Alonso could not accuse McLaren then any longer that its image was damaged, because it made itself guilty as Mitwisser. The Alonso prospective customers Renault and Toyota possibly rub to early the hands.

 

Pedro and Donkey ****ed up

Monza intrigue
Drivers at centre of spy storm
07/09/07 09:20


As the espionage saga reaches new heights of intrigue in the Monza paddock, Fernando Alonso has refuted rumours that he got involved because he wants to find a way out of his McLaren contract for 2008.

According to buzzing rumours on the scene of Sunday's Italian Grand Prix, the reigning world champion could be a source of 'new evidence' that moved the FIA to reconvene the World Motor Sport Council next week.

Asked by Spanish reporters if he has spilled the beans about emails from team test driver Pedro de la Rosa - containing confidential Ferrari setup information - so as to further implicate McLaren, he answered: "No way."

Elsewhere in the paddock, McLaren representatives explained to the press that, for legal reasons, team members including drivers and management would not be commenting on the spy saga.

But Alonso explained: "I believe that if the team is sanctioned, then so will I be. I am a part of this team and we would share the problem.

"We are here to win the drivers' and constructors' championships, we are leading both, and there is not one person in the team that doesn't want us to."

The Spaniard declined to comment specifically on rumours that he and countryman de la Rosa had, earlier this season, conversed by email about Ferrari setup information allegedly learned by de la Rosa from suspended chief designer Mike Coughlan.


It is suggested in the paddock that the FIA asked McLaren's drivers - and no others - to volunteer any relevant information, in exchange for an assurance that they would not personally be held accountable.

"As I said," Alonso responded to another reporter's question, "I am going to try to win these last five races and I am not going to talk about anything else because it has nothing to do with me.

"I have come here motivated, concentrated and isolated from everything else."

Team-mate Lewis Hamilton, meanwhile, counted himself out of the intrigue by revealing that his internet connection at home has not recently been working.

He did, however, spare some time to heavily criticise Ferrari for its role in portraying McLaren as the villain of the espionage piece.

Hamilton said he would be "extremely happy" to win on the Italian team's home soil on Sunday "because of what they're putting our team through".

"I know my team, I know the people and I think we are being unfairly treated."

He added: "Ferrari are portrayed as the most innocent team and I don't think that is the case."

Source GMM
CAPSIS International

 

Espionage saga pulls in Alonso and de la Rosa
Leaked Ferrari setup information allegedly shared
07/09/07 12:46


With Ferrari and McLaren seemingly locked in a private war for speed and success on track today at Monza, off the circuit controversy surrounding the so-called 'spy story' that has overshadowed much of the season, reached new heights.

In this, according to the latest reports in Italian media, McLaren, it is claimed, have been not only in possession of many of Ferrari's technical secrets this year, but also using them to their advantage. This, it is said, is the conclusion drawn from the latest evidence presented to the FIA.

It is alleged that not only did Ferrari, through their now-dismissed 'rogue mechanic' Nigel Stepney - who the team have also accused of sabotage - suffer the loss of a 780-pages dossier of information, which was given to McLaren's former chief designer Mike Coughlan, now suspended, but they also saw some of the key components of that dossier made use of by their rivals.

In the latest reports surrounding this scandal, it is claimed that Coughlan supplied information about Ferrari's work, notably with Bridgestone tyres and car set-ups, to the McLaren team test driver Pedro de la Rosa, who in turn passed it on to fellow-Spaniard Alonso. In both cases, it is said the communication of this data was done by email.


This allegation was confirmed on Friday when a letter sent by FIA President Max Mosley to all teams was revealed to reporters at the Italian Grand Prix by an unidentified source who wished to remain anonymous.

In this letter, Mosley made clear that it was the confirmation of this evidence - email exchanges between the two Spanish McLaren drivers - that had led him to cancel next week's appeal hearing and to call another meeting of the full FIA world motor sport council to consider the matter.

It remained unclear on Friday who had alerted the FIA to the existence of these email exchanges, despite widespread suggestions that it was either Alonso or his former team boss at Renault Flavio Briatore, who has made no secret of his admiration for the Spaniard and his desire to bring him back to Renault.

According to sources in the paddock, Mosley wrote to all the teams last Friday to inform that the two Spanish McLaren drivers had been in possession of 'written evidence relevant to this investigation.'

In this letter, he made clear to the teams that it was their duty to provide any evidence relating to the spy affair.


Similar letters were also sent to Alonso, de la Rosa and Hamilton, asking them to provide evidence in exchange for an 'amnesty' over possible future sanctions.

In his letter to the teams, Mosley said: "In particular (though without limiting the generality of this request) the FIA wishes to receive copies of any electronic communications (howsoever conveyed or stored) which may be relevant to this case and which make reference to Ferrari, Nigel Stepney or any technical or other information coming from, or connected with, either Ferrari or Mr Stepney."

It is believed that Alonso and de la Rosa subsequently provided the information about their email exchange earlier this week and this prompted the FIA to recall the World Motor Sport Council for a hearing on September 1.

Both McLaren and the FIA declined to comment on these latest allegations in the 'spy story' on Friday as the drivers took to the track.

Source AFP
CAPSIS International

 

they are gonna ruin this sport for sure if the FIA make a big deal out of it... I say let them settle it on the track

 

No........

Allowing teams to break the rules will ruin the sport.

Getting the teams in line with the regulations and imposing harsh penalties will show the fans that they are watching a sport and not some unethical setup.

When the teams are playing by the rules, then let them settle it on the track.

I really think it does a dis-service to people to think no repercussions should come from your actions. The message from this sport and any other with integrity is break the rules and accept the punishment.

Further, if a driver is a known involved person in the illegal activity, I think he should be banned.....end of story....

 

if this allegations are all true. I just hope Alonso is not making up stories just to get out of his contract that would be F*** up

 

So, if Alonzo knew about the theft then he is acting unethical by not reporting it. If he didn't, and he claims he did, because he want to break his contract, he is being unethical.....


Frankly, it would not be in Alonso's best interest to make up stories though. If I was team owner I wouldn't even consider him as a driver for me. Teams get in this sport for marketing a brand. Why would you want your brand tarnished by unethical behavior?

 

its just unusal that suddenly one of the drivers is involve after this started 2 months ago. I hope the FIA does whats best for the sport and not tarnished by the out come what ever it will be..

 

Meanwhile. Donkey is half a second faster than anyone else on Friday in Monza. Take that!

 

Ferrari got ***** slapped by McLaren this weekend...dannng...

 

No lie.

 

Meanwhile, Alonso gives a master class in winning.

 

Wholeheartedly agree....