He didn't have a big belly full of baby.

 

Thus no proof. What a load of .

 

Alright all you hotshot armchair prosecutors, you try producing in court the semen from which a child was born.

See, maybe the job of the impartial, human rights-oriented Nigerian Sharia prosecutor is not so easy now, is it?

Silly e-thugs.

 

I don't actually get what you're trying to say. But I'll let you pick your answer: if your question is do I believe everything the idiot box tells me, the answer is no, I don't. If you're asking is everything as it appears in front of me, my answer is no it doesn't. For me, to get the real scope of the story I gather information from different perspectives. By the way, I worked at WTC so I kind of did see the story unfold...

Oh and I was also in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania when the bombings happened at the US Embassy, yeah - I know, unlucky, but it also means that I had first hand experience about the arising situation of terror against America. So in respect to your specific example, that's why I knew Al-Qaeda was behind it. On the larger point, I answered above.


Tee_Tz.

 

I later figured I shot myself in the foot because I quickly jotted the post and by the time I closed the window, I realized I should have clarified because people would Google and Wiki some articles.

Yes, in the north, places like Kaduna and Kano, which are smaller cities that has been happening. And first and foremost, it's wrong so I won't defend it. Now, Lagos & Abuja, the Delta are more of what I think of when I refer to Nigeria. Why? Because the problems in Africa centers around a lack of education and poverty.

On one hand, you have the major cities, who have moved past traditions and extremism in religion. On the other hand you have smaller rural areas where they are almost disconnected. I guess a example in America would be like polygamist in Utah. Yes, it happens, but you couldn't paint the entire US with that generalization. Those communities are so distant from the majority of America, that they follow their own traditions. This is the same for many African countries (the disconnect), in some villages across the continent you find that either Islamic extremists are practicing their interpretation of the Koran as law. But this does not represent the laws of the Federal Govt. You can read about the division of Nigeria into 3 to understand why the north municipal put that into their laws.

I've seen some f'up things in Nigeria and heard plenty more - from friends, family, etc., but to labelled the government as for 'sharia' is not right.


Tee_Tz.

 

It is. I'm still trying to figure out the minivan and hotel crimes. It seems a red roof is grounds for burning down a hotel with residents in place. I guess the Bloods are haram.

 

 

Brenton, with all due respect, either you don’t get it, or you’re pleading ignorance!!

Now don’t get me wrong, I’ve read many of your OT posts in the past, and your sense of humor is somewhat entertaining, I’ll give you that, so props to you!!

What I don’t think you understand is, the fact you posted a thread stereotyping Middle-easterners like the one you started about stoning (thanks to your fine example as a moderator btw, others followed by starting tasteless threads making this section a mockery to say the least), in a section designated for the Middle-East, intended for members from that region to share and discuss their passion of Mercs , AMG’s and possibly exotics, is in itself racist.

Had you posted a thread like this in OT, I’m pretty sure it would’ve been perceived as funny and entertaining, and no one would’ve taken offence from it, including anyone from the Middle-East.

But to come to the Middle-East section and start such a thread, you’re basically implying that everyone in the Middle-East supports these cruel practices, which is entirely wrong. For one, I’m speaking from my own experience of living in Dubai at one point in my life. Citizens there are open minded, friendly, well informed, and most importantly, punishments are fair and do not include stoning in any way, form or shape!! Similarly developed countries in the Middle-East, do not support nor practice cruel and inhuman punishments.

From a quick Google search, it seems like only a handful of countries in the Middle-East still support or practices these cruel forms of punishments, and that’s a shame. They are Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran only (Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong on the list). With that said, there are 21 other countries in the Middle East, that’s close to 90% of countries in the Middle-East that don’t support nor practice these types of punishments.

Here is news flash for you, did you know the practice of stoning was referred to in Greek history, as well as Christian, Jewish texts? And not mentioned anywhere in the Koran!!

And just to quickly clarify the misunderstanding of stoning in Islam, it is not prescribed or mentioned anywhere in the holy Koran text itself. It was created back when no powerful governments existed (No law enforcements, detectives, criminal databases etc…) . Tribes created these sever punishment laws. It was created in the case a person transgresses the limits beyond all bounds of decency to commit zina (intercourse) in 'public', then Islam provides severe chastisement to safeguard the family and to save society from corruption and destruction and the punishment acts as a strong 'deterrent' to others. it is extremely rare in practice as during the last fourteen centuries of Islamic history only fourteen cases of stoning could hardly be numbered in all that time. Today, most developed Islamic countries do not use these severe and cruel punishments, for obvious reasons, they are cruel and inhuman, additionally; a government has all sorts of resources to protect and prosecute criminals fairly.

Again, I posted this thread because I was disappointed at the direction this section was headed to. I saw this section as a great opportunity for us here in the US, to connect with some of Middle-easterners’ Elite Merc, AMG and Exotic owners. I have seen and witnessed some insane projects coming out of that area, like the Bi-turboed C32, and SLR engine retrofitted into an SLK etc…. and I would love to see more. But with the direction this section is headed, I’m afraid it will deter these true die hard enthusiasts from joining and sharing invaluable projects and info with everyone.

 

The stoning post is not satirizing Islam, or the Koran, or the Torah. It is satirizing the contemporary practice of execution by stoning, for crimes such as being raped.

To the extent that the perpetrators of these practices justify them by the Koran or Hadith or Islam, those topics are introduced into the discussion. But you notice that the original post did not mention them.

Sure, it's not a pleasant topic. But the incivility does not stem from the discussion, in my opinion.

 

And while we're on the topic, the method of stoning referred to in the Torah was quite different than used in Iran, Somalia, Nigeria, etc. It used a single boulder as a coup de grace, specifically to insure an instantaneous and humane death. Furthermore, there is evidence that capital punishment was rarely performed in ancient Israel. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning :
Furthermore, several of the Hadith references in which the Prophet orders death by stoning refer to lesser penalties (blackening the face to humiliate) that were actually meted out for crimes that were technically punishable by stoning. It is the clear point of these passages that Mohammed does not approve the Jews' judicial leniency and follows the letter of the law that the Jews themselves don't.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/stoning.htm

But again, this is not about religion or history. It's about barbaric practices performed by certain states on their citizens today.

 

It is odd that you would get all upset about this regional forum as an insult to Islam when you, more than anyone else, are linking the practice to the religion.

What's more, why did you detail the justification if you believe it's wrong? "Safeguard the family and to save society"? Are you serious?

 

Is he Arab or Muslim? Do I know him? I will make the final decision on this one. Especially seeing you texted me about your awesome lunch. So therefore, you lose power for 2 days.

 

I am not sure which he is... and no you have not met him before... and the shrimp were actually fried in old oil it tastes like... but the roast beef was seriously awesome...you should of asked me to bring you one...I have a whole hour for lunch

 

You sir are an artist, taking my text out of its context, nice try!! Please read the whole paragraph in it's full context, or at least quote it correctly! Stoning or any other harsh forms of cruel punishments, is absolutely wrong for our age and day. I tried to clarify as to its origins, which most likely debuted from other religions as I stated above. It is unfortunate and sad that some countries in the Middle-east and other continents still practice such cruel and barbaric punishments.

I did not get upset about the regional forum as an insult to Islam, nothing in here that directly offended Islam. I did however get disappointed at the stereotyping taking place towards Middle-easterners. A middle-eastern car enthusiast would probably read this section, and move on. He’d want nothing to do with the clowning and mockery taking place. It's such a shame, I was looking forward to mature and informative threads and posts in this section.

 

Now you add that in? You lose power for 1 full week my friend. Well if I don't know STLTH you folks will have to wait for the correct analysis.

 

I don't think whether I'm Arab or Muslim is relevant, I didn't start the thread to talk about me. I can tell you one thing for sure though, I am a multi-cultural open minded individual. And no, I don't believe I've had the pleasure of meeting you Jen, although I've heard a lot about you

 

If there have been more stoning sentences handed down by modern governments in the last 10 years than in the previous 1,400 years why doesn't the Islamic world rise up with one voice to condemn them? How does the definition of "adultery" to include a 13-year old victim of rape by a married man make sense in any context? We are not talking about tribes. We're talking about courts empowered by powerful states like Iran and Nigeria.

Historical justification of this practice is tantamount to approval.

 

Quality roast beef in the city? where? please do share!!

 

Power re-instated... I told you to tell me if you ever wanted one... because you forgot... you have now lost power for 2 days...

and in that case I say Northend tomorrow night... Thats just me though...

Stlth you working tomorrow night at rev? are you still there?

 

Kelly's Roast Beef!!! I work in Natick so I went to the one at Jordan's but the original is in Rever... by the way we have a meet coming up if you wanna swing by

 

Rev work was a short term gig, I had the pleasure of meeting some interesting celebrities while working there, it was fun while it lasted . Nevertheless, that place is still one of my favorite places to hang out at, let me know if you ever wanted to go, the owner and Manager are both good friends of mine!

Kelly’s have good roast beef sandwiches, agree with you on that! I thought you knew of another place thought, a delicious roast beef usually always makes my day!!

When is the meet? Send me more info plz!

 

there is also a place Bill and Bob's in Woburn... the pizza rolls they have are good too... as for the meet... check out the New England section or the events section

 

Get back on topic. Whatever that is.

 

I was stoned, several times. But I was never in the Middle East.

 

http://mccoy.lib.siu.edu/jmccall/oth...as/O-Aset.html

The creepy Sharia poster and similar posters are featured in this interesting photo essay on Nigeria.