K-A

Yep. The inherent chassis of the F10 is what rides under the Ghost as well (of course tweaked, enlarged, modified, etc), indeed. IMO this fact allows for the F10's chassis to be over-engineered for its class, which in my humble opinion allows it the most luxurious and quality ride/build in its class, however is less intriguing coming from the side of a car costing upwards of $250K.... And another reason as to why when one gets down to the technicals and fundamentals of things, the S-Class is in many ways a worthy competitor indeed.

Wolfman

The Ghost is based on the F02 platform (7 series long wheel base), not the F10

K-A

The point T.A and myself made is that the F10 is also inherently based on the F02 platform, just tweaked to different dimensions. That platform goes from the F10 all the way up to the Ghost.

Wolfman

I understood that the BMW F01 platform is also shared in changed dimension with the F10/11/12. My point was there is no need to discuss things in abstract; the Ghost "is" the F02 platform and is essentially a re-skinned 760li.
So, the RR has a lot to do with the 7 series (most parts from the whole car), yet almost nothing with the 5 series

K-A

Ah, yes in that context it literally IS on an F02 chassis, but of course the F02 chassis and 7-Series in general are extremely closely related to the 5-Series. Basically, that chassis in its core element works pretty damn hard.

willg1983

I think the chassis look different:

W222

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...s-benz-s-class

Compare with w221 here

http://www.germancarforum.com/commun...l.36083/page-4

200kg weight reduction and 50% more stiffness, plus the need to support more models (coupe, cabrio, Pullman etc) all suggest new rather than old chassis+facelift.

interiormagic

K-A is a true BMW guy, the 5 series is a good car for the 1st 2 years, than begin to fall apart. The E-class is a much refine and luxurious car and a history to outlasted anything in its class. The 3 series is the bread and butter of BMW, just look on the road, but, the C-class is quickly closing in and is a better quality product.

K-A

Haha, lots of chip-on-shoulder obsessive rants against my posts in your 9-post history here thus far, eh?

I sat in an a facelifted E Class yesterday. Honest to goodness, it felt 10 years behind the 5 Series, at least. 5 Series is also far more solid and rigid than the E Class verified not by fanboy-figures but by actual statistics (and isn't consisting of half Chinese parts, doesn't have an interior with plastics fit for an $18K car, rides smoother, quieter, handles vastly better, far superior powertrain, far superior tech, doesn't make you look or feel fit for a retirement home, and so on and so on....).

MDMercedesGuy

God... just go away.

K-A

Lol, I notice fanboys often get tunnel vision. I'm not supposed to answer back with my perspective truth to some invalid rants? Better if I sit silent so you can enjoy your walled Mercedes garden?

aypues

+1. It was so nice having him gone these past few weeks. The board was healthy and normal again.

Rock

K-A, you are an amusing read but I wonder if your tireless crusade to convince MBworld members of BMW's supremacy has changed a single opinion on this board?

I do give you an A+ for effort.

K-A

Hey, I wouldn't have all that ammunition if it wasn't for the overwhelming demand for it. Maybe I'm just a more relentless debater than most....

MDMercedesGuy

Now you're getting it! You are on a Mercedes forum with Mercedes enthusiasts after all.

I'm continually dumbfounded as to why you waste hours of your time posting your useless and repetitive drivel on a site where your input is obviously not wanted.

K-A

And yet you only post in these threads when I'm in them, to argue my opinions based on firsthand experience and ability to express them. Not everyone wants to live in a walled garden, you'll have a tough time finding ANY active forum without people who aren't fans of the direction of the subject material, especially those who were previous enthusiasts.

I've had plenty of M-B's and have plenty of M-B knowledge, I don't need one currently to have a "card" to speak about them. Nowhere in this forum does it state "Must Currently Love and/or Have Mercedes".

Funny how you whine about stuff like this to me but not to those such as the guy who pulls an old and dead thread out of its coffin to reignite this "debate" by sidetracking it as EVERYONE does to an E Class VS 5 Series argument simply because I'm a participant. Then you get upset when I rebut with why the the BMW is currently so vastly superior to me. I was essentially asked (or "baited").

interiormagic

T-A, according to you the 5 series is a good car, not according to the rest of the world. Dare to compare the reliability of the two? The E-class outclassed, outlasted, outsell your 5 series. I have a friend who is the manager of sale at Irvine BMW, he told his wife, the only reason he drives BMW is because they are company's cars, he wouldn't buy one,they have too many issues. K-A just look on the road and tell me which of these two cars you see more of, Old people drives MB? Lol, maybe, that's why our cars last so long, btw, I'm 35 and I'm on my 7th benz, have 3 of them sitting in my driveway.

K-A

Sorry but that's no facts, all fiction. The 5 Series does literally everything better than the E Class, I can break down a laundry list in detail. It's also killing it in worldwide sales which is a huge feat considering this is the FIRST time it's happened and the F10 5 did it singlehandedly even with the E line getting a sales boost by the "E" Coupe, which is precisely why Mercedes did such an embarrassingly extreme haphazard about-facelift. Even Mercedes themselves admitted the W212 was too far uncompetitive by doing the most drastic facelift they've ever done to a car of theirs.

Every review between the F10 535i wins against the E350. The 535i just beat the E400 which is set to replace the E550 in a test comparison, which should give further perspective as the E400 is a more expensive model. You couldn't be further from the truth my friend.

vios1

Thanks for a member from germancarforum, comparision between W221 nad W222

K-A

As I noticed when I saw the W222 in person, it's a very subtle evolution from the W221 when you see it in presence (having exact dimensions/proportions further helps that). The W221 stands up to it pretty strongly if I say so myself. I like how the aluminum trim around the W222's window/door frames "flares" out thicker toward the end.... which is actually a BMW inspired design trait .

MDMercedesGuy

You seem to jack the understanding of facts versus fiction.

That said, I'd trust the opinion of a sales manager over the opinion of a constantly trolling fanboy.
Given BMW's history with HPFPs and electrical issues (the first 3 years of production in particular), and you couldn't pay me to drive one. After being stuck in a pig of a 2011 328i xDrive for a month in January while my car was in the body shop and dealing with its inability to gt out of its own way or deliver 16+ MPG, my personal opinion is that their engineering is vastly inferior to MB.

MDMercedesGuy

You're right, it doesn't and you don't. I'm still an active member of forums for the past 2 cars I had before this one. The difference between you and I is that I don't flood every thread gushing over my new car and how superior it is to the cars that the members of that board own. I also understand that my opinion is that, my opinion, not fact.

I'm still a welcome member of those forums. I don't have people commenting when I come back from a 2 week hiatus that I should take another.

interiormagic

The facts are T-A, you are driving a POOR MAN BENZ, even your wife is secretly admire the guy in the lane over with the E350. K-A, Did you get a chance to pick up your duct tape kit from BMW yet?

K-A

Wow, you'd trust the opinion of a sales manager over ANYTHING? ALL my previous Benzes had WAY more issues than my BMW has already had in the first year of drivership. My W212's both turned into rattle traps by that time, with increasingly harsh suspensions, factory defects I had to have replaced, fit/finish issues, and warranty work on my 2010 E, with one open case of an injector squeaky sound they could never fix. Yes, M-B's of the 80's and early 90's were built like tanks, not so much in my experience since then.

Wrong again, I rarely, if ever barge into threads talking up my car. This thread had nothing to do with BMW, however MB fanboy's bait me by ALWAYS bringing it up when they get butthurt about how much M-B doesn't impress me anymore, which then turns it into the discussion we have now. Go barking up their trees.

This is precisely the clientele that has helped earn M-B a declining reputation in recent years.

Germancar1

Now what figures do you have to prove that 5-Series is more rigid than the E-Class?

M

Germancar1

Where is this comparison? I'm sure you have a link to it right?

M