Dema

Only after promoting to CEO to keep consistent a corporate structure.

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skrontz

I loved W140 from the moment it came out, hated W220, and then loved W221 again. The fender flares gave it a very powerful presence, yet it still looked fairly compact from the outside.

The front end of W222 and W212 is very similar to an untrained eye. The W212 was black, the W222 was white, and the relative position on the floor was such that the size difference was not obvious.

Quadcammer

Can't say i agree with this.

K-A

I saw a W222 next to a W212 as well. I think the point here is that the W222 is a somewhat "down the middle" design meant to be relatively easily palatable, therefore it doesn't necessarily "stand out" next to an E Class, especially as we go forward when the C and presumedly next E look identical to it.

To me, the W222's presence on the road is almost identical to the W221 until you make out the details.

Kratos-TM

The 221 is sitting in my garage right now. I'm actually looking at it as I type. I've been to the dealership and test drove the 222. The 222 wipes the floor with my 221. Shares similar lines but not looks. Me and my wife just sat at the dealership for an hour and just stared at it......and stared........and stared.........and stared.........and stared..........and just slobbed at the mouth at how so much better looking it is...... The presence is 10 steps forward, the stance is perfect, the wheels (20" AMG) take your breath away, and the grill.......OMG the grill........just screams MB is back!

Yall can take this thread 10 pages if you want to downplaying the 222......but in the end yall blowing smoke.......

I'm like a kid at Christmas waiting on my car....

skrontz

Please forgive us if you can for having a different opinion. We should have known that you and your wife is the sole indisputable authority in all car design discussions.

Just go easy on them periods.

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LETO

I think you need to go on a trip or buy some other toys to keep yourself occupied till your car gets here.

Love your enthusiasm.

Kratos-TM

LOL....I am a bit over-enthusiastic. Sorry guys....

schuk

skrontz, I feel exactly the same way! 140 is a legend! When W220 came out I was very disappointed with Mercedes. I hated it. This plastic interior and ugly headlights made it look like a copy of Daewoo. Just me. I understand there are a lot of people who like W220. For the first time ever I was starting considering BMW. IMO BMW did outstanding job in design in years 2000-2007. I am glad Benz got back on track with their W221.

skrontz

Maybe that's the thing: those who really liked W220 love the W222 as well. Those who liked the W140 prefer the W221. I'll still probably end up getting the W222 as I see no strong alternatives, but definitely not as excited as I was about the W221.

schuk

That`s where I respectfully disagree. I see W222 more like comeback of W140. Just look how immense is the hood!! Same way it was done on a W140 Panzer-style. W221 is a beautiful car but more like in a sporty way. I`m glad Benz is going back to its values of commanding presence with the new S. If I wanted a sport car I would long ago get BMW.

MBZSW221

Sometimes, I take a lot of time looking at my W220. I then almost want to say that it is a better looking car then the W221. But sometimes you get a feel of that "Chrysler" inside it. Then, I do not want the W221 anymore instead another W220. Next day I wake up saying "What am I saying?" Of course I am going to get a W221. Speaking of the W221 got to sell one more car to have room for it parked. Might get the one I went to see earlier this week. (Go to the "Advice on Buying" thread I started under W221 to talk more about it.)

Quadcammer

now a 220 looks like a daewoo and the bmw 7 series from 2002-2006 was good looking?

lets just say our taste in automotive design varies greatly

C280 Sport

The W220 looks like a Daewoo? What on earth possessed you to say that?

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K-A

The W221 definitely made a much bolder statement when it came out than the W222 does, especially because it was a much more bespoke design within the lineup and the W222 shares lines from the CLS, an evolved language from the E Class and an identical homogenization with the upcoming C and probably E. I also like the side lines on the W221 better as they make more sense, i.e moving downwards with the architecture of the car and connecting to the rear taillights, unlike the W222's IMO clunky reverse wedge line which just disappears into nowhere and doesn't even connect into the door handles. I do like how much smoother the sheetmetal is on the W222 over the W221 but the lines I wish were better resolved on it.

I also like how the W221 facelift grille is more "pointy" than the very rounded and un-aggressive grille shape of the W222 (it's aggressive simply because it's huge but not because of its shape), which gives it a crisp and dynamic luxury look.

Both hide their sizes VERY well and look very compact for their sizes in person (a great thing).

The W221 though has its own flaws as well. I'd rather have the W222 if I had to have one, for its mechanical and technological evolutions. I'd say design wise, both put up a tough fight VS one another, each having their merits. At the end of the day, the W222 is an evolution of the W221, very similar in presence but very different in the details.

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Jason B

[QUOTE=skrontz;5835478]I loved W140 from the moment it came out, hated W220, and then loved W221 again. The fender flares gave it a very powerful presence, yet it still looked fairly compact from the outside.

The front end of W222 and W212 is very similar to an untrained eye. The W212 was black, the W222 was white, and the relative position on the floor was such that the size difference was not

Agreed

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Wolfman

That car is cheap because of its mileage, not because it's a W221. I do think that the W221 endured extraordinary depreciation over prior models, IMO also due to it's timing of the recession. I remember tons of near new, low mileage S Class models being unloaded in 2009 for ridiculously low prices.

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WEBSRFR

What does the fact that the the alleged designer of the W222 being Korean have anything to do with anything? If it is true, and Mercedes trusted this individual with their flagship, I am sure this individual is as qualified as anyone else within Mercedes to design the car. What an odd thing to point out. I'm sure Mercedes soaks up the best talent from all over the world, as they should. Maybe they will actually hire a few people from Korea and California to work on their electronics and software while they are at it

Looks are very subjective and sometimes they need to grow on you but so far Mercedes has done a great job of designing exteriors that age well and in line with the model range they represent.

The only thing that has not grown on me is the hideous plastic interior of the W212. It's like they designed the entire interior of that car with a trapezoid and ruler.