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2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
FYI an EV does Nurburgring in 6:46...
"According to NIO, the EP9 posted a blistering time of 6:45.9, besting the Huracan Performante’s 6:52.01 lap. If NIO’s lap holds up to scrutiny, the EP9 stomped a whole slew of incredible cars, including the Porsche 918, Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV, and even the barely road-legal Radical SR8LM, which clocked in a 6:48 lap." -source article
2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
Originally Posted by syswei
"According to NIO, the EP9 posted a blistering time of 6:45.9, besting the Huracan Performante’s 6:52.01 lap. If NIO’s lap holds up to scrutiny, the EP9 stomped a whole slew of incredible cars, including the Porsche 918, Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV, and even the barely road-legal Radical SR8LM, which clocked in a 6:48 lap." -source article
excerpt: Two things really stand out here: the exceptional interior, which takes full advantage of the packaging benefits provided by the dedicated electric car platform and its flat floor, and the user interface, which promises a whole new level of user friendliness in Mercedes’ upcoming electric models.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon
Well, after seeing this thread and never reading it, I will now add my two cents as to why one should not buy a Tesla Model S: to me, the most attractive thing about the car, was the exterior design. I think it is, or at least WAS a very beautiful design, WHEN you could order it without a glass roof. Since that is now no longer possible, I feel there is no longer any reason to buy one.
absent
We have lost the ability to agree that five of your own fingers a foot in front of your face is actually your own hand. We now live in a world of "alternate facts".
I personally do not crap where I sleep. It just kinda makes sense to me. Right now, my Model S' are the only way to take the sun that hits the back portion of my roof to provide for my wife and my daily driving needs in the style and speed to which I've become accustomed. When Audi, BMW and MB can do it, I'll likely be back to looking at those options. Sure, the Tesla does not have an MB interior nor BMW's driving feel or even Audi's whatever you call that blend of secret sauce that makes an Audi so much fun to drive. The Tesla just does something they can not do.
Circling back to where I started, if you want to believe that gas cars are better for the planet's future then no one is going to stop you. I just wish natural selection was a bit more selective so that kind of thinking did not pose a threat to my grandchildren.
We have owned and currently do own a Model S. And can say that they are the best car's we've ever owned! We love them to death. And we have been looking to trade our P85+ with Autopilot 1.0 for a new EAP and FSDC P100D. We have driven an S-Class and it's a good car but it's just not our Model S. We have owned a Signature Series Model S which was good but not as good as our current P85+. I'm one of the main driver's of the car and charge too 90% every night and last us all day. When we return home we normally have about 10% to 12% of range left. Which is good enough...We love the car's and will continue to update our car's as long as Tesla continues to update the fleet.
Glad you like your Tesla! A lot of people who don't own an electric car don't understand what a great convenience it is to be able to charge your car at home each night, and always leave in the morning with about 250 miles of range.
absent
We have lost the ability to agree that five of your own fingers a foot in front of your face is actually your own hand. We now live in a world of "alternate facts".
I personally do not crap where I sleep. It just kinda makes sense to me. Right now, my Model S' are the only way to take the sun that hits the back portion of my roof to provide for my wife and my daily driving needs in the style and speed to which I've become accustomed. When Audi, BMW and MB can do it, I'll likely be back to looking at those options. Sure, the Tesla does not have an MB interior nor BMW's driving feel or even Audi's whatever you call that blend of secret sauce that makes an Audi so much fun to drive. The Tesla just does something they can not do.
Circling back to where I started, if you want to believe that gas cars are better for the planet's future then no one is going to stop you. I just wish natural selection was a bit more selective so that kind of thinking did not pose a threat to my grandchildren.
The best thing to do with people who push "alternate facts" out of their *** is to ignore them. Either they are too dumb to realize it is not a good idea to crap where they sleep or they are so dumb that they don't care or cant understand. Either way, best to let them stew in their crap while the rest of the world move ahead with progress.
Porsche expects more than half their annual sales to be electric by 2023. With that they will just about wind down combusting car development as who wants to be the last to waste money on obsolete combusting technology. Mercedes, BMW, and Audi are likely not much far behind. A bunch of people on this forum still curelessly think this electric thing is a passing fad.
2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
Originally Posted by WEBSRFR
BTW I think by the end of the year you are going to wish you opted to switch your AP1 Tesla for one with EAP when you had the chance
We have been thinking of doing just that, as my wife thinks she'd prefer an X to our mid-2016 S. But one thing holding me back is the fact that Audi, Jaguar, MB, and Porsche will be out with their EVs in the not too distant future, and so I have my doubts as to how resale might hold up for Tesla, and with a newer X vs an older S we would have basically more at risk.
absent
We have lost the ability to agree that five of your own fingers a foot in front of your face is actually your own hand. We now live in a world of "alternate facts".
I personally do not crap where I sleep. It just kinda makes sense to me. Right now, my Model S' are the only way to take the sun that hits the back portion of my roof to provide for my wife and my daily driving needs in the style and speed to which I've become accustomed. When Audi, BMW and MB can do it, I'll likely be back to looking at those options. Sure, the Tesla does not have an MB interior nor BMW's driving feel or even Audi's whatever you call that blend of secret sauce that makes an Audi so much fun to drive. The Tesla just does something they can not do.
Circling back to where I started, if you want to believe that gas cars are better for the planet's future then no one is going to stop you. I just wish natural selection was a bit more selective so that kind of thinking did not pose a threat to my grandchildren.
Your problem is that you are apparently too lazy to open the link and read the actual article before attributing it's conclusions to a guy who only provides the info.
Don't kill the messenger......
"BMW plans to introduce an electric version of its popular 3 series in September, a move designed to fend off rival Tesla, Handelsblatt reported on Wednesday.
The German automaker will present the vehicle at the Frankfurt auto show in September, the paper said.
The electrified 3 series, which is a high volume sales model, will have a range of 248 miles (400 km) and is seen as a direct response to the early success of Tesla's Model 3, which goes on sale later this year, according to Handelsblatt."
I've read several similar pieces and found huge glaring inaccuracies which can only be described as present to prove a point. Again, I'm not going to stop you from thinking as you do. Life has gotten too easy and we are at a point in time where we can make very bad decisions and live, and sometimes even prosper, through it. We do not seem to care about the mess we leave for future generations. As I said before, I wish natural selection was a bit more immediate so that we could all benefit from the quality of our decisions.
I've read several similar pieces and found huge glaring inaccuracies which can only be described as present to prove a point. Again, I'm not going to stop you from thinking as you do. Life has gotten too easy and we are at a point in time where we can make very bad decisions and live, and sometimes even prosper, through it. We do not seem to care about the mess we leave for future generations. As I said before, I wish natural selection was a bit more immediate so that we could all benefit from the quality of our decisions.
I only glanced at the study but one glaringly incorrect assumption is that "In almost all LCA studies the electricity mix had a fossil share of about 50% to 70%." This is just a stupid assumption. Battery factories have been going up very recently and most are still to be built. So the relevant question is: What electric generation capacity has been (or will be) added to the world supply in the same timeframe to meet the demand for electiricity from battery production? Is it 50-70% fossil? Clearly not. Here is U.S. 2016 data on utility scale electric capacity additions and retirements:
"BMW plans to introduce an electric version of its popular 3 series in September, a move designed to fend off rival Tesla, Handelsblatt reported on Wednesday.
The German automaker will present the vehicle at the Frankfurt auto show in September, the paper said.
The electrified 3 series, which is a high volume sales model, will have a range of 248 miles (400 km) and is seen as a direct response to the early success of Tesla's Model 3, which goes on sale later this year, according to Handelsblatt."
I wonder when it is supposed to ship.
BMW really had no choice as they were losing customers to Tesla. BMW originally wanted to drag their feet on the electric transition until the 2020s and then Tesla received deposits for 400,000+ Model 3 cars that were not even available to buy and then this happened to BMW car sales. Look at the blood bath, even before the Tesla Model 3 is available for purchase.
2 Series Sales down 26%
3 Series sales down by 39%
5 series sales down by 12%
7 Series sales down by 48%
And Tesla is now a more valuable car company than BW with a higher market cap. So yeah sure. BMW is now releasing a 3 series electric version because it is either they compete with Tesla in EVs or join Nokia.
05-15-2017, 04:23 PM
