preston00017

Hi guys,
just called MB customer relation today, they told me something that I am not suppose to know!!!

Next year, its gonna called S560 with a 4.0 V8 engine with better MPG and performance, and better technology than current E class. The New S560 will be ready to build in late fall.

Is it worth to wait?? and is anybody knows will dealer give good deal on a new model?

Also I really wanna the Apple Carplay, not sure if the 2018 S will equip that or not

quantira2

If getting a good deal on 2017's is not priority, I would wait . In fact , I have been waiting for a year now....

Wolfman

Info for the face-lifted S-Class has been known for over a year. No news here...
I haven't heard about that model designation and it would make zero sense but then MB's marketing strategy in terms of models also makes no sense. Like the SL450, these numbers have no relations to the actual engines anymore. In the end, few people care...

The MY18 S-Class will be introduced in April, for sale in August internationally. We'll see if the intro date also extends to the US. US intros are typically within 60 days for the S-Class.

While the new engine is a great engine, it is a small one for a heavy car. The question for all high-output, small displacement turbo engines is longevity.

CarPlay is part of the facelift, but I hope that it's the later Bluetooth version. I really like the CarPlay in the SL but keep on forgetting the phone in the center console.

Socalsteve

You bring up 2 interesting points.

Engine size. All the car manufacturers are going to smaller, more fuel efficient engines. I for one, think the engine in the current S 550 is very well mated to the transmission and body weight. It never wants for power. It's very fast. Surprisingly so for a vehicle that weighs almost 2.5 tons.

Apple CarPlay. I played around with it in the Maserati Levante ( that I looked at before I decided on a used S Class ) and though it worked really well ( for what it did ) it's really nothing more than SIRI ( voice activation) working through the in dash head unit of the vehicle. In my mind, not a game changer.

Thoughts?

michaelleongcl

i will wait for the 2018 s560 if i am in your position. This new v8 engine is a far superior engine and it is developed by AMG. However I expect the msrp to jump to above 100k for the s560. They even have a new nomenclature to market this v8 model .


From motor trend:

M176 Twin-Turbo 4.0-liter V-8
How closely related is this luxury V-8 to the fire-breather in a C63? The block, heads, exhaust plumbing, and turbos are virtually identical. Even the 17-psi boost pressure is the same, although a far less restrictive air-cleaner/intake system improves breathing on the AMGs. The turbos are also heat-wrapped so as not to melt the plastic engine cover on an S-Class (the AMGs get a metal cover). The bigger news is the fitment of Camtronic valve timing with cylinder deactivation for improved fuel efficiency. All three of the new gas engines get Camtronic cams that can vary intake and exhaust timing over a 40-degree range, but in the V-8s the cam lobes are splined to their shafts in such a way as to enable them to slide fore and aft exposing a zero-lift lobe when shutting down cylinders two, three, five, and eight (that’s the middle two on one bank and the front and rear two on the other). This only happens when operating in comfort or economy modes under light loads at engine speeds of between 900 and 3,250 rpm. This arrangement allows the full exhaust system to remain hot (the turbos even produce some boost in this mode). One of the instrument cluster menus will tell you which mode the engine is operating in, as we’re assured the switchover is all but imperceptible. This is in part thanks to a pendulum mass damper on the flywheel that helps counteract both the fourth-order vibrations in eight-cylinder mode and the second-order vibrations in four-cylinder mode.

Friction-reduction efforts include honing the cylinder bores in a jig that simulates full cylinder-head clamping force to improve cylinder-bore roundness and thereby reduce piston ring tension. This is done after they receive the Nanoslide iron-carbon-alloy twin-arc-sprayed cylinder lining treatment that is said to reduce piston/cylinder friction by 50 percent (this technique has been in use at Mercedes for three years and is employed on the other new engines detailed above).

This engine does not get any 48-volt electrification, but its alternator and A/C compressor are driven by reduced-friction four-groove belts while the water pump is driven by the cam chain drive. It does get a pair of exhaust particle filters mounted under the floor—another differentiator with the AMG M177 and M178 engines. Rated output in the forthcoming S560 (not an AMG model) is 476 hp and 516 lb-ft. That subdivides the base and S level horsepower ratings of the C63 and matches the S-level torque! Fuel consumption is said to improve by 12 percent relative to the S550’s twin-turbo 4.7-liter V-8.

Wolfman

The downsizing in engines is driven by legal requirements in Europe; cleaner and more fuel efficient. I like the big V8 but it is surprisingly lazy in the S-Class. I have the same engine in the SL; the car is lighter of course but the engine is great. It's dramatically faster than the sedan.
The new engines will be great but I wouldn't pick another S-Class for that.

CarPlay to me is a game changer, full access to my choice of music, capability is based on adding apps. Sound quality is superb (wired), Siri for the car is incredible, perfect voice recognition even top down. Navigation is a million times better and always up to date.

The big let-down are the graphics. Would love to have the City 3D view for navigation instead of simple maps.

Streamliner

".........we’re assured the switchover is all but imperceptible." Yeah, that's what they said--and still say-- about the ECO Stop/Start feature. When you read all of the new car foibles on the W213 forum, it makes me wonder just how "imperceptible" or "seamless" (another word MB loves to use) this new cylinder shut down engine will be. I'm happy with my 2015. I don't love it, as I loved my W221, but I like driving it. Should the 2018 offer much of anything to detract from my driving pleasure, I'll be shopping around.

Streamliner

"The new engines will be great but I wouldn't pick another S-Class for that."
Wolf, are you saying that you will not be going for a 2018? Just curious.

Wolfman

I am getting one
Just meant that the engine isn't the driver for getting the face lifted one. It's the sum of all improvements.

clembo

I am getting one. Not just for the new engine, but the seats will also massage your butt. Sold!

beckerkumm

While I'm sure the new engine will be great. I prefer the 4.7 without some of the gimmicks to the Audi 4.0 and given the price of the car, an extra 3 mpg highway doesn't mean much. Town driving seems to be about the same either way. Dave

BenzV12

I can't say anything on technical wise but in terms of naming I would like to have S550 instead of S560 , 560 is kinda odd to call and reminiscent of 80s . W126 might be one of the most solid cars every built but that's a thing of past and it's sort of anachronism bringing back that 560 on a 21th marvel

5634MG

From what I hear, the 560 is meant to be a throwback to the 560SEL

Jason B

Steinhart

thank you for posting these

docsout

I dislike the big honking 'nostrils' on the AMG sport variant find them inelegant on a luxury saloon.

abhatti55

So what is the difference in both engines? Boost pressure? It seems the AMG customer loses out.

docsout

By deduction, shouldn't the new model S Class be coming out in 2020 as a 2021 model? If so, that's relatively around the corner.

sean1.8t

I'd wait if I were you. That refresh is on point!

buuuuuuut you might be able to get a hell of a deal on a '17 that's [been] sitting on a dealers lot if you negotiate at the right time (end of the month/fiscal year/calendar year). If spending something like 10-15k less would be of a great deal to you.