Genesis G90 Redux
12-07-2017, 12:03 AM
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Gotta agree, this was a far overreaching statement.
12-07-2017, 02:25 PM
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Well, my experience with my 2015 S550 has been quite different than your MB experience. For the most part, my car has been problem free and the few times their have been issues, they have been attended to by the dealer, quickly and completely, with the exception of my complaints about the creaking Panorama Roof.
I have not gone for the G90 and probably won’t. For me, it came down to these issues, in this order:
1. I believe the W222 is a safer car, with passive and active systems in place that most of us don’t even know about. When I thought about which car I would prefer to be in, in a severe accident, there was no choice, it was the MB hands down.
2. The ride quality of my S550 is superior. Not by that much over the G90 mind you, which was truly amazing to me, but still better enough to make a difference to this hyper critical ride quality driver.
3. Being brutally honest here, I will admit that the cachet of the MB over the Genesis is a big deal. Where I live, a new S Class is almost the bottom rung for a prominent valet spot at restaurants here. If I pull up at Pelican Hill in a Genesis, well, I’d feel like a tourist. So there it is: I’m a shallow person, what can I say?
4. For me, the dealer service experience with MB has been wonderful for the last several years, while the Genesis experience is an unknown at this time.
The G90 is SOOOOOOO frigging good and so cheap, that once the car gets more exposure, I just can’t believe that it will not be a huge success. If someone wants a big, solid, tech loaded, luxury sedan—especially if price is a factor, I can’t imagine a better choice. No, it’s not an S Class, and if it were a $100K+ car, that comment would have merit. But, for $70K, there is nothing on the planet that even comes close. This car is nothing like any Buick and with my apologies to Wolfman, IMHO, it is, indeed, an S Class competitor.
Enjoy your new car and PLEASE come back here and tell us about your experience once you have had it for awhile.
I have not gone for the G90 and probably won’t. For me, it came down to these issues, in this order:
1. I believe the W222 is a safer car, with passive and active systems in place that most of us don’t even know about. When I thought about which car I would prefer to be in, in a severe accident, there was no choice, it was the MB hands down.
2. The ride quality of my S550 is superior. Not by that much over the G90 mind you, which was truly amazing to me, but still better enough to make a difference to this hyper critical ride quality driver.
3. Being brutally honest here, I will admit that the cachet of the MB over the Genesis is a big deal. Where I live, a new S Class is almost the bottom rung for a prominent valet spot at restaurants here. If I pull up at Pelican Hill in a Genesis, well, I’d feel like a tourist. So there it is: I’m a shallow person, what can I say?
4. For me, the dealer service experience with MB has been wonderful for the last several years, while the Genesis experience is an unknown at this time.
The G90 is SOOOOOOO frigging good and so cheap, that once the car gets more exposure, I just can’t believe that it will not be a huge success. If someone wants a big, solid, tech loaded, luxury sedan—especially if price is a factor, I can’t imagine a better choice. No, it’s not an S Class, and if it were a $100K+ car, that comment would have merit. But, for $70K, there is nothing on the planet that even comes close. This car is nothing like any Buick and with my apologies to Wolfman, IMHO, it is, indeed, an S Class competitor.
Enjoy your new car and PLEASE come back here and tell us about your experience once you have had it for awhile.
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12-07-2017, 08:55 PM
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The Lexus LS (also mid size priced comp'd to the Germans) has sold well, but has grown long in the tooth.
The all-new 2018 starts at$73k
Is it just me or does the car have a Tesla like side profile, especially around the greenhouse?
Here's an interesting review from C/D...they say it's a bargain comp'd to the Germans and might just have the credentials to back it up.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...-and-info-news
FWIW, I would not buy another Lexus.
The all-new 2018 starts at$73k
Is it just me or does the car have a Tesla like side profile, especially around the greenhouse?
Here's an interesting review from C/D...they say it's a bargain comp'd to the Germans and might just have the credentials to back it up.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...-and-info-news
FWIW, I would not buy another Lexus.
12-07-2017, 10:56 PM
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The Lexus LS (also mid size priced comp'd to the Germans) has sold well, but has grown long in the tooth.
The all-new 2018 starts at$73k
Is it just me or does the car have a Tesla like side profile, especially around the greenhouse?
Here's an interesting review from C/D...they say it's a bargain comp'd to the Germans and might just have the credentials to back it up.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...-and-info-news
FWIW, I would not buy another Lexus.
The all-new 2018 starts at$73k
Is it just me or does the car have a Tesla like side profile, especially around the greenhouse?
Here's an interesting review from C/D...they say it's a bargain comp'd to the Germans and might just have the credentials to back it up.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...-and-info-news
FWIW, I would not buy another Lexus.
Will not bring up the grill, but the headlight design always reminds me of “Zorro”
12-08-2017, 04:25 PM
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12-08-2017, 09:28 PM
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No disrespect but you are comparing an Apple to a Banana. These cars were designed for a different audience, no matter the aspirations of Genesis.
Also if you wanted a smooth ride, the S63 was the wrong car for you. It's not even intended to do that. Engine, transmission, suspension calibration is tuned for sporty driving. The car is painful when driven like an S550. Especially the 7 speed MCT transmission is know to be very jerky in low gears.
12-10-2017, 12:46 AM
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Streamliner - how are the headlights on the G90 compared to your S550?
The G90 just received IIHS Top Safety Pick + which only cars with Good rated headlights can achieve, starting in the 2018 ratings.
The G90 just received IIHS Top Safety Pick + which only cars with Good rated headlights can achieve, starting in the 2018 ratings.
12-10-2017, 09:26 AM
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12-10-2017, 07:27 PM
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Mercedes-Benz E-class
There are two headlight systems available on the E-class. The headlights on the E300 with the Premium 2 or Premium 3 packages were not only Good but got the highest score of any headlights IIHS has rated, the group said. Its other headlight system was just Acceptable. The E-class’s two available crash-prevention systems were both given Superior ratings.
12-10-2017, 11:24 PM
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I think you can take a hint from the test results. They only had an E-class to test, not an S, but the upgraded E-Class lighting tech is the similar to the US S-Class adaptive LED's
Mercedes-Benz E-class
There are two headlight systems available on the E-class. The headlights on the E300 with the Premium 2 or Premium 3 packages were not only Good but got the highest score of any headlights IIHS has rated, the group said. Its other headlight system was just Acceptable. The E-class’s two available crash-prevention systems were both given Superior ratings.
Mercedes-Benz E-class
There are two headlight systems available on the E-class. The headlights on the E300 with the Premium 2 or Premium 3 packages were not only Good but got the highest score of any headlights IIHS has rated, the group said. Its other headlight system was just Acceptable. The E-class’s two available crash-prevention systems were both given Superior ratings.
12-10-2017, 11:58 PM
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Not necessarily from my research. Each vehicle has to be tested separately. They didn’t give the best rating to the E coupe, only the sedan (you would think the lighting would be equivalent within the same class). Many manufacturers’ premium lighting options actually scored worse than the standard offerings. I wish they would test these higher end vehicles too, but I guess they don’t sell enough of them to be worth while.
German cars have the best lighting tech in the world for distance and the intelligent mapping out of objects out so that they are not blinded, neither oncoming or traffic in front. The latest headlights have only high beam; there is no low beam...
12-11-2017, 12:14 AM
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Well, I didn't read what other vehicles lighting scores were. I do find it a bit comical to discuss the testing of modern light system since the DOT hasn't allowed for the best lighting options to be even sold in the US. Lights look the same but some of the multi-beam or matrix functionality had been modified (dumbed down) for US bound cars.
German cars have the best lighting tech in the world for distance and the intelligent mapping out of objects out so that they are not blinded, neither oncoming or traffic in front. The latest headlights have only high beam; there is no low beam...
German cars have the best lighting tech in the world for distance and the intelligent mapping out of objects out so that they are not blinded, neither oncoming or traffic in front. The latest headlights have only high beam; there is no low beam...
12-11-2017, 12:25 AM
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I find the headlight testing past due and very useful, not comical at all. I know all about these disabled systems, but want the best that is available and legal here in the US. I hope manufacturers can improve their lighting as much as their crash prevention tech has come along. Yes, the DOT specs need to be revised but I’m afraid that it isn’t in the cards for the forseeable future.
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04-25-2018, 12:40 PM
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First Drive: 2019 Kia K900
The author predicts it won't sell well in the U.S.: "Bottom line: This is a fantastic luxury car, and pretty much unbeatable when it comes to value-for-money....Kia is fielding the K900 as a value-priced luxury car, but I would argue that value is anathema to luxury. Everyone likes a bargain; you’d be nuts to pay $100,000 for a given Mercedes if you could get the same car for $90,000. But when it comes to buying luxury cars, most people are looking to pay for a name. They want to be noticed. And what’s wrong with that? If you’ve worked hard enough to afford a $100,000 Mercedes, you’ve earned a few jealous stares. Never mind what people might say in marketing clinics: Value-for-money is a not a primary purchase motivation for big, ostentatious luxury cars, and the moribund sales of the K900 prove that."
The author predicts it won't sell well in the U.S.: "Bottom line: This is a fantastic luxury car, and pretty much unbeatable when it comes to value-for-money....Kia is fielding the K900 as a value-priced luxury car, but I would argue that value is anathema to luxury. Everyone likes a bargain; you’d be nuts to pay $100,000 for a given Mercedes if you could get the same car for $90,000. But when it comes to buying luxury cars, most people are looking to pay for a name. They want to be noticed. And what’s wrong with that? If you’ve worked hard enough to afford a $100,000 Mercedes, you’ve earned a few jealous stares. Never mind what people might say in marketing clinics: Value-for-money is a not a primary purchase motivation for big, ostentatious luxury cars, and the moribund sales of the K900 prove that."
04-25-2018, 12:44 PM
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So many stolen design concepts. I am noticing that a lot of limo companies are buying these types of cars as they make great executive shuttle cars for airport runs.
